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: help!! 2 flat tires size question 225/60/16 fit stock rims

10-18-2004, 09:50 AM
I have seen many posts about people getting news tires and that they go with 225/60/16 or 225/70/16 but they never say if they are putting them on the stock rims or aftermarket rims.

I hit some debris this morning and got a flat on both passenger side tires.


10-18-2004, 11:14 AM
If you want a tire close to the stock 215-70R16 size, 215-65R16 is the closest easily found size.

10-18-2004, 11:36 AM
Most 225 and 235 section width tires fit on the same rims as the 215s. If you check the specs tables, you will see 'rim width range' numbers like 6-7.5" (give or take .5"), Measured rim width of 6.5" may be ideal, but as long as the range covers 6.5" the tires should work. So unless a person proudly shows off new rims, I assume they stayed with the stock ones.

225/70/16 is the next tire up in size, about 2% larger. 235/60/16 is a good size if you want to drop down a bit in diameter and get a lower profile. 235/70/16 is easiest way of 'filling' the wheel well.

215/65/16 drops the diameter a bit more than 235/60/16.

There is a large selection in 225/60/16 size, and it will work on the stock rims (I got my RAV4 used with that size installed), but most of these tires fall in the passenger car category ('performance', 'grand touring').


10-18-2004, 11:40 AM
I join to the question; some of the options you guys have been talking about are 225/65/16 and 235/60/16, but reading on Michelin website, they say that the width of the rim affects the choice.
Is the OEM rim a 6.5 in? is it wider? can it carry a 235/60/16? :?:

10-18-2004, 12:40 PM
The specs for Michellin Pilot XGT H4 235/60/16 give a range of 6.5-8.5, and a measured rim width of 7". So it should fit on a 6.5 rim (stock), though its mounted dimensions will be a bit different than if it were mounted on a 7" rim. In particular, the nominal 235 section width applies only to a tire mounted on the 'measured rim width'. I'm guessing the mounted section width would be slightly less when mounted on a 6.5" rim.

For the higher profile 235/70/16 tire, the range is 6-8.

If in doubt you can always ask the professionals when you buy tires.


Elie Ment
10-18-2004, 12:45 PM
Here is a website that will give you the heights of all these tire sizes that you are talking about. You can directly compare them to the stock size. It also tells you how off your speedometer will be by making the change.

It looks like a 235/65/16 would be the closest match to the stock tire.

10-18-2004, 01:02 PM
But the selection for 235/65/16s on Tirerack doesn't look all that impressive - only 5 models. I don't see a compelling reason to change to that size, unless you especially like the Goodyear Eagle line.


Elie Ment
10-18-2004, 06:30 PM
Okay, I really don't see the benefit of putting huge tires on the car since it dosen't have that much power. All I was saying is that the 235 would match our speed settings the best

10-19-2004, 02:25 AM
It seems that many who changed their tires in the first year of ownership did so for looks. Some have gone with larger wheels and low profile tires, sometimes lowering the car in the process. Others want a tire that fills the wheelwell, or a tire with a more 'off road' look. Besides the look, there has been talk of increasing ground clearance (by a half inch or so), and increasing off road traction.

There are more pragmatic reasons for changing tire size, such as the availability of certain models in the larger sizes (e.g. Firestone Destination LE, Goodyear Fortera HL, Goodrich T/A KO, Dridgestone A/T Revo).

I don't recall any of these people complaining about reduced power. One would have to be a more aggresive driver than I am to notice a power change caused by a 2-4% change in tire size. I recently made a 2% change in the Element without noticing a power change, and several years ago made a 4% change in a low powered RAV4. I suppose if I regularly drove a high speed hill climb (e.g. US 395 north out of Mono Lake) I'd be able to compare power with different tire sizes, but in my daily driving I rarely need all the power the Element offers.

In some ways the Element might benefit from larger tires. Right now there is a thread about the high RPMS at highway speeds. There was also a recent thread about wheel spin on startup. Still there are those who want more power, or at least think they need the extra power that various addons promise.


10-19-2004, 08:42 AM
Thanks for all the info, I just bought a set of Firestone Destination LE's 225/70/16 locally in Tampa and will have them on by the end of the day.

I really appreciate the responses.

10-19-2004, 10:45 AM
With respect to rim widths:

215-70R16 size means that the tire is 215mm wide, the height/profile of the tire is 70% of 215mm, and the rim is 16" in diameter. So 215-65R16 is a little lower profile, with the same width. A 225mm is a just a little wider, 10mm, etc.

10-19-2004, 11:51 AM
There's a nice tire dimensions diagram at

The quoted width is the 'section width' in this diagram, and the 'section height' is the width times profile percentage. Because the sidewalls are flexible, a tire can be mounted on a range of rim widths, with minor variations in the shape of the mounted tire.

10-19-2004, 12:00 PM
Well I am back from lunch with new Firestone 225/70/16 destination LE's and I am very pleased, in and out in about an hour, they were extremely pleasant and the tires are quite. They look really nice, I had them put the blackwalls out instead of the raised white letters.

Once again thanks to everyone for their input