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: Stuck in snow - Icicle Creek, WA


paulj
12-30-2004, 04:27 PM
Yesterday I took a quick road trip over Stevens Pass (US2) to Leavenworth, WA, and back, about 250 miles round trip. It was a typical NW winter day, with a light steady rain all day. Above 2000 ft rain turned to snow. WSDOT conditions for the pass (4000 ft) were:

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/maciver/roadview/sr2/
'Traction Tires Advised, Oversize Vehicles Prohibited.
Compact snow and ice on roadway // Partly cloudy'

The highway was well plowed, leaving a thin layer of fresh snow over the pass. For much of this I drove at a steady 40 mph, often in 2nd (automatic) allowing me to control my speed more with the gas than with the brakes.

Once in Leavenworth (a lumber town turned successful Bavarian style tourist town) I turned to explore Icicle Creek, which leads up to some popular summer hiking trails. Where road maintenance turned from county to forest service the surface turned to compacted snow. I drove this in 1st and 2nd till the tracks dwindled down to a single set of car tracks and a couple of snowmobile tracks. Then I carefully turned around, with lots of back and forth, trying to stay within the packed snow band. See the first of the attached pictures.

On the way back down the road, I started to test my traction in the unpacked snow at the side of the road - until the front right wheel got in too deep (2nd photo). At this point when I tried to move back or forward, the car tended to slide further toward deeper snow on the lower side of the road.

With a small spade I cleared snow from behind the rear wheels, and laid some traction mats behind these wheels (3rd photo). Once I straightened the front wheels I was able to back up a short ways past these mats. Backing up in a situation like this can be tricky. You want to back toward the center of the road, but turning the front wheels to do this, makes them move further off the road. So backing straight, with just a bit of turning is better.

Now with more clearance in front, I laid the mats in front of the front wheels. Once I remembered to release the parking brake(!), I was able to pull forward and onto the packed snow at the center of the road.

I was glad to have a small spade to clear away snow. The traction mats (Lions grip brand) worked ok. Getting the edge under the tire wasn't easy. I did have chains with me, but installing them on the recomended front tires when stuck would have been a pain. I might have been able to install them on the rear tires while getting unstuck.

The drive back over the pass was uneventful, though with heavier evening snow, a bit slower. Back in the rain the drive was faster. However just west of Sultan a crash was blocking traffic, so I took a slower, more scenic (during the day) road on the south side of the river (Ben Howward).

In the snow, my tires (225/70/16 Goodyear Integrity all-season M+S) were adequate with careful driving, but I'm sure there are better ones. On the wet roads I was quite happy with their handling - or rather with the Element's handling. The ability to start in 2nd gear was a big plus when traction in the snow was poor.

paulj

BriBoy01
12-30-2004, 06:45 PM
Sounds like a fun day to me. Seems like you were prepared for the situation and thats why it didnt out to be a miserable day.

Theelements
12-30-2004, 09:23 PM
great pics... sounds like you had fun... im goin up to mammoth later this week and hopefully ill have some good pics too!

PVR
12-31-2004, 01:04 PM
Nice post paulj. Glad to see that even though the Element is not a "real" off-roader that skill and a little special equipment can get you through!

Nat
12-31-2004, 03:00 PM
Awesome dude! I have your E's twin (SSM) DX AWD.

Peace and a happy new year

DOGBOX
12-31-2004, 05:40 PM
Are you running out to the snow with the stock battery? After reading some of these posts, I'm holding off until I can put in a yellow-top Optima. Will use my truck for snow runs, if I can ever stop working and actually get there!!! Groan....big groan.....

Theelements
12-31-2004, 05:45 PM
Are you running out to the snow with the stock battery? After reading some of these posts, I'm holding off until I can put in a yellow-top Optima. Will use my truck for snow runs, if I can ever stop working and actually get there!!! Groan....big groan.....

i have been in the sno like 4 times ( trips) and i have never had any issues with my battery then again ive had my ride for about three months

paulj
12-31-2004, 06:12 PM
Temperatures were at or just below freezing. In addition I was putting on a lot of highway miles, not short urban trips, so the battery should have been fully charged, and the engine warm and easy to start.

If I was leaving the car parked at a trailhead for several nights, and expecting to start it on a cold morning, the battery size might be an issue. However in that case I would also have had a camping stove with me, which I could have used to warm water to warm the battery (something which I did years ago with another Japanese car).

paulj

paulj
01-02-2005, 01:02 PM
After reading some of these posts, I'm holding off until I can put in a yellow-top Optima. ...

GIJoes, a regional (PNW) auto and sports retailer, is advertizing 20% off on Optima batteries. Whether your local store has the size you want is another question.

paulj

DOGBOX
01-03-2005, 12:44 PM
Thanks for the heads up Paul. I was in GI Joes a couple of weeks ago buying Christmas gifts and kinda drooled over the Optimas at that time. They did have the yellow, but since I wasn't buying right at that moment, I didn't bother to check the sizes.

Took Elamo out to the mountain yesterday. Both of my "private" XC ski areas were unreachable due to icy roads. I headed up one and kept going and going, but as the road was completely white and it surely was NOT snow, I finally decided going any further would not be wise. I turned the E around with absolutely no problem!! This was on a slightly sloped, iced-over, narrow road with no shoulders. Boy was I grateful to have my E perform so well. You could hardly even tell the thing was sitting on ice. This is with the stock tires and all.

JoeDOHC
01-04-2005, 02:42 AM
I got stuck about 50 feet from my parking lot at work last week. I was turning on to a back road that is never plowed and we got about 6 more inches of snow. It was hardpack ice and the new stuff. Well, I hit the turn a little fast and slid into, what looked like, a small snow bank. It was high enough to hit the license plate. Doh! I stopped.

Rocked it. Tires cleared the snow and was just spinning on the ice. Doh!

I had to call in the reinforcments. They came out and after a decent laugh, har har, they pushed me out. A guy in a bobcat also cleared some of the snow in front of me. heh. I took some ribbing for the Honda 4WD. :)

I am running a 04 EXS with Nokian WR-t Studless snow tires inAnchorage, Alaska. Be careful out there. I am sure without 4WD (aka 2WD when slipping on all 4) I would have been pretty stuck.

BoiseBoi
01-04-2005, 03:13 PM
You're making me homesick, paulj! (I grew up in Monroe.) Happily, I'm headed out there in a couple weeks to visit family.

I've got my new Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos and a set of chains, so I'm good to go. Maybe I'll head up to Stevens or Leavenworth to play around.

paulj
01-04-2005, 04:00 PM
What kind of clearance do you have for chains with the Revos? I assume they are 235/70/16 size.

I often drive around the Monroe area just for fun. There are some wonderfully twisty roads along the area rivers. Earlier in December I spent an afternoon seeking out all the flooded roads between Monroe and Everett.

paulj

paulj
01-05-2005, 05:01 PM
My little instance of getting stuck gave me more appreciation of Tuscan's problem when he got stuck in Mexico last March.
http://coastlineoftheworld.com/postcard08.html

Once I started to loose traction in the deeper side snow, the car felt like it was going to slide further off the road. While I tried the usually trick of rocking back and forth, I soon gave it up out of fear of sliding into deeper snow. Trying to back on to the center of the road wasn't working because I had to drive the front further off the road to do any turning. Trying go forward toward the center of the road was also a problem, because the front wheels were trying to pull me toward the left, while the rear ones could only push forward.

In this picture it looks like Tuscan had some of the same problems, with the complication of trying to back a trailer away from the edge of the road. The tire tracks suggest that the backing just pushed him closer to inside edge of the road.

It appears that in Tuscan's case, unhitching the trailer, and then trying to back the Element as straight as possible - with front and rear wheels working together - was the only alternative to getting a tow.

http://coastlineoftheworld.com/images_mex_cc/mex_830_sm.jpg

LEGO MY E
01-05-2005, 11:35 PM
Nice pics Paul, thanks for sharing your story!

I'm glad you were able to get unstuck. Hey, at least your "E" didn't break a tie rod like that "other" brand would have!

By the way, you'll have to take a new picture for your avatar now. All that snow MUST have washed off some of the dirt from your rims! :-D

LEGO