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: Open Debate: 17's or 18's?


PioneerElement
03-03-2005, 08:02 AM
Let the debate begin:

17's OR
18's

I'll start.

17's are more preferable because one can get bigger, more agressive tires on the E. This allows for better trail handling, less fear of bent-rims from curbs, potholes, tree-roots, etc.

Please support your responce with PICS!

(How does one start a poll?)

paulj
03-03-2005, 11:00 AM
For these same reasons 16s are even better.

However to make your arguments clear, define what you mean by bigger. Aggressive also needs to be clearer. Do you have a particular tread pattern in mind? Why should one size of wheel be more 'aggressive'? Something to do with the wheel size, or just a matter of what is on the market?

cjmclean
03-03-2005, 11:31 AM
One benefit of 17's over 18's is the cost of tire. Your selection moves down as you go larger in wheel size.

But 18's will look "better" if that is the look you are going for.

MXRACER
03-03-2005, 12:20 PM
I just put 245/45/18's on on I love the way it looks. It drop the right height but about an inch and i lost a little of the smoothness over bumps but I going to lower it so I was going to lose that anyway. Pics on the way once it's a nice day out to wash up the E.

lae10851
03-03-2005, 09:05 PM
I love my 245/55/18s. They seem to be just the right "balance" and they make cornering a breeze compared to the pizza cutters the E comes with.

http://www.norcalelements.com/images/submissions/YardbirdsWheels.jpg

mix300
03-03-2005, 09:39 PM
I will second the choice of 18's on 245/55/18s as a good choice. I researched and researched the issue till it was dead in the water.... 16s,, good for the winter with good aggressive tires. 17s are a no brainer..... 18s give your wheel well more meat to fill the void. the 245/55/18 give you just enough side wall that the ride doesn't suffer. I find that anything bigger would force a smaller side wall tire and hence the pot-hole-commando (PHC). I want no part of zig-zag driving over minor bumps.

If you have the money and like riding on rails and rough riding, and being a PHC then go for bigger than 18.....

There is a guy (Kevinells) that has 18s on 255/55/18s Toyo Proxes on 18inch American Racing Casino Wheels looks good. I will hunt the pic.

PioneerElement
03-04-2005, 06:32 AM
However to make your arguments clear, define what you mean by bigger. Agressive also needs to be clearer. Do you have a particular tread pattern in mind? Why should one size of wheel be more 'agressive'

Since this is an SUV, aggressive tires will add to it's capapbility in the mud, snow, etc. I'm sure there is a limitation to how aggressive the tread can be on 18" rims and still fit in the wheel-well.
Not sure if i'm interested in a lift-kit or not. I'm definitely not "slamming" mine. My current car is VW GTI with 17's and paper-thin tires. If I wanted handling, I'd keep what I have. It's fast as all heck too.
I think I want a balance of bigger, better looking wheel and truck-ish tires.
BUT, I want to see what everyone else is doing and why. I have no arguement, and as of this second have no E.

HENCE the "debate"......

tom108
03-04-2005, 06:59 AM
i think these are Sweet!

http://www.drivah.com/marketplace/images/element_replacementwheel.jpg

oh wait, i already have them. :grin:


-tom :)

lizzurd
03-04-2005, 07:24 AM
i think these are Sweet!

http://www.drivah.com/marketplace/images/element_replacementwheel.jpg

oh wait, i already have them. :grin:


-tom :)


I have to agree ........after having my snows and wheel covers on for 6 months my facotry alloys are going to look sweet bolted back on.

Type X
03-04-2005, 09:48 AM
Well i wanted something oem

wider and incognito...so i opted for the Acura TL wheels from the 04

pretty much one of the ONLY honda/acura wheels that are 8" width
the accord older TL CL etc are 7" wide

here is a pic
rides the same as OEM and whipped through snow superbly

http://www.nyelement.com/gallery/albums/album15/IMG_0062.sized.jpg

SRLNCLT
03-04-2005, 10:24 AM
Actually I tried 255/55/18 Proxes S/T and they didn't fit with 18x8 +35 offset. I went with 255/50/18 and they great!!! And they are really close to stock.
L.

Element Art
03-04-2005, 10:37 AM
Well i wanted something oem

wider and incognito...so i opted for the Acura TL wheels from the 04

pretty much one of the ONLY honda/acura wheels that are 8" width
the accord older TL CL etc are 7" wide

here is a pic
rides the same as OEM and whipped through snow superbly

http://www.nyelement.com/gallery/albums/album15/IMG_0062.sized.jpg

Come on...rides the same...how is that possible? What tire brand and size please!
Steve

Type X
03-04-2005, 11:49 AM
Come on...rides the same...how is that possible? What tire brand and size please!
Steve

The Tires are Bridgestone Dueler 2's

if you need the exact siszes and model numbers shoot me a reminder PM
and when i get home i'll check the car in the toasty garage :)


any yes it rides just like oem
I haven't experienced anything to push me different

kilgoja
03-05-2005, 02:39 AM
i guess they didn't like my post about ebay....buy anyway i like 17's ....18's are just too big....i don't like the way they look...16's (stock) are too small....17's are just right....unless you're going to lower the e ...then 18's would work.....i don't really like the way the e looks lowered....someone needs to get a lift kit and put big tires on it...that would be cool :lol:

dj se7en
03-05-2005, 12:10 PM
I personally like bigger wheels, but didnt want 20's because i would have to go low pro on the tires. So I got 18's, with Toyo Proxis 255/50-18's. They are very wide and look damn good, as well as handle 100% better.

SRLNCLT
03-05-2005, 01:14 PM
Just swith the rims to TSW Reflex and that's the same tires i'm running. (same as above :lol: ) I know that is the lol symbol but he is pointing up and that's what I'm doing, pointing to the post above mine cuz my computer is so slow I don't want to have to back out then quote his reply. But yeah, 18's are the way to go. Still have plenty of tire.
L.

kilgoja
03-05-2005, 01:50 PM
yeah i guess just take your pic...17's or 18's.....either will work and they both look good....any bigger and you will probably have a rough ride...but if you live somewhere where all the roads are smooth then everything will be fine no matter how big you go....

PioneerElement
03-07-2005, 11:38 AM
Has anyone gone anti-racer and actually put off-raod tires on an E? Ideally I'd put 17's on, with wheels capable of dealing with mudd, sand, snow, gravel, etc...

Anyone has pics/stories?

LEGO MY E
03-07-2005, 11:44 AM
theirs plentie off mudd no mie raods

PioneerElement
03-07-2005, 01:58 PM
:lol: Look, we've got ourselves a comedian!! :twisted:

paulj
03-07-2005, 02:36 PM
Has anyone gone anti-racer and actually put off-raod tires on an E? Ideally I'd put 17's on, with wheels capable of dealing with mudd, sand, snow, gravel, etc...


Why are you interested in 17's for this application? Is there a particular tire model that you can only get in that rim size, as opposed to the stock 16s?

A larger wheel, especially if it has large openings, might make you more vulnerable to sticks and stones - see the recent 'black lemon' thread. A bigger wheel also means less rubber between you and the rocks. 15" rims are still common in off-road contexts. 235/75/15 is one of the most common tire sizes.

The most 'off-road' tire that I've seen mentioned for thr Element is a mud terrain in the 225/75/16 size.

While increasing overall tire diameter increases ground clearance a bit, it also changes rpms in the wrong direction (less torque). It can also reduce clearance around the wheelwell and suspension components, though with the Element's design this may not be a big issue.

paulj

PioneerElement
03-07-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm an engineer, so I understand all the risks/rewards associated with increasing/decreasing wheel/tire size.
15" wheels look like crap. The sides of the E are so broad and flat, it needs some bigger wheels, i.e. nice bigger 17's, 18's. I can't imagine no one has put a lift kit on the E yet and made it more SUV-like and less car-like. I get the feeling by reading most people's threads that they treat the E like a tall glorified station wagon, not an SUV. "Slammin" your E with 18's and rubber bands for tires defeats the purpose of buying an SUV (in my opinion).

Since I haven't bought an E yet, I'm just seeing what's out there. I'd like to go a little bigger with 17's and still some decent off-road-ish tires. Not big knobby's like on Jeeps, but not low-pro racer wheels either...

I'm just seeing what's out there.... (maybe debate wasn't the best choice of words for this topic...)

cjmclean
03-07-2005, 03:54 PM
The reason noone has lifted their Element is simply: there are no such lift kits.

paulj
03-07-2005, 04:55 PM
235/75/15 tires are about 4% larger than stock in diameter
225/75/16 are 5% larger
235/65/17 are about 4% larger
255/55/18 are about 4% larger

Which would make the Element more SUV like? Why?

When thinking about bigger tires for the Element, keep in mind that it is the bell top of the strut tower that constrains you. There is a recent thread about 18" wheels with 40 v 45 offset. It has some nice pictures of the clearance one owner had after pushing the size envelope. Unless you choose a wheel offset that pushes the tire well outboard, you can't go larger than 5%. 225/75/16s fit only because they tend to taper quite a bit from section width to tread, thus clearing the curvature of the tower.

People who do switch to 18" wheels often are interested in filling out the wheel well. Since there are limits to how big of tire you can fit, the only alternative is to lower the car. This has the added advantage of centering the wheel in the wheel opening. Filling the wheel well gives a 'car' look. Having generous clearance around your tires, especially at the top, gives more of a off-road look. However, the Element has a stiff independent suspension, so the traditional Jeep issues of having room for long wheel travel don't apply.

I believe my Element, with steel DX wheels and 225/70/16 AT category tires strikes a realistic balance regarding 'off-road' looks, ability, and reliability. Beyond that it is a matter of driver skill, and rational choices regarding tools and recovery equipment - and experience.

paulj

SRLNCLT
03-07-2005, 05:35 PM
Actually the 255/55/18 didn't rub on the strut. It rubbed in the front and rear of the wheel well. Other then that it would have fit fine. Yeah, I agree with you on the fact that bigger meatier 16 would make if more SUV like. Puttin 18's like I did makes it more Tour like. But, I'm gonna get some meatier tires for my 16's. I'll probably end up going with 225/70/16 cuz I don't want the speedo off too much.
L.

paulj
03-07-2005, 05:57 PM
Actually the 255/55/18 didn't rub on the strut. It rubbed in the front and rear of the wheel well.

I assume this rubbing occurs when the tire is turned part way, so opposite corners of the tread are close to the wheel well, front and back Is it the outside edge of the tread that comes close?

K9-Handler
03-08-2005, 06:18 PM
If I wanted a Honda-built SUV, I would have bought a CR-V or Pilot.

Calling the Element an SUV is stretching the point. It's just .....different. But it can be whatever YOU want it to be.

As to the "filling the wheel well" phrase I keep hearing, that is not the point. You can keep the O/A tire diameter the same (and keep your speedo happy), but "fill" the center of the tire with a 17" or 18", getting a street-racer, Hot-Wheels look if that is your preference. If you want the off-road look, stick with the 16's and run a winter tire with aggressive tread!

I'm going with the Hot-Wheels look, myself.... :) 18's, here I come!

allah75
03-09-2005, 08:30 AM
18's all the way on BFgoodrich G forces 245/55

SRLNCLT
03-09-2005, 11:19 AM
No way, Proxes ST 255/50 all the way.
L.

kilgoja
03-09-2005, 02:04 PM
i went with 17" wheels with 235/60/17 tires...it is only a slightly larger diameter...like when your are going 60 ...you're actually going 60.5 mph...plus as the tread wears it will get even closer to the stock diameter...i could go with 245/55/17 tires and then at 60 i'd be going 59.5 mph...so you can't really get it exact...18" rims with 255/50/18 tires at 60 is 60.4 mph...that's probably the closest you can get to keeping it the same overall diameter...unless you just keep it stock....as far as torque goes my 17" wheels are much lighter so there's really no difference...in fact i probably have more torque :lol: