IT IS IRRITATING ME. that darn creeking noise with the driver side door and rear door connected together. YOU KNOW? the problem most E owners have. IM BOUT TO SELL MY EEEEEEEEE. SOME BODY HELP ME. so serious, I dont know if i going make the meet this sat. that is the day i was going to look for a car with no noise, except the radio in it.

IT IS IRRITATING ME. that darn thing with the driver side door and rear door connected together. YOU KNOW? the problem most E owners have. IM BOUT TO SELL MY EEEEEEEEE. SOME BODY HELP ME. so serious, I dont know if i going make the meet this sat. that is the day i was going to look for a car with no noise, except the radio in it.


What's he talking about?

Hey,

Reminds me of Gary Coleman: "Whatchu Talkin' About?" LOL

Thx, Phil

......WTF??? :twisted: :-o :shock:

yaaaayyyyy! I got noise! Yaaaaaayyyy!!! /Special Ed

On a serious note: None of us understand what you are talking about. If you describe the noise problem, maybe we'll understand. How does this relate to the doors?

What's more confusing is the fact it's posted in the Hawaii Element Owners section. Not really sure what door noises have to do with the land of poo-poo platters and tiki torches but I doubt me moving this post to the Problems and Issues section would do any good anyway.

Mekileki wawa.

He's probably talking about the creaking noise coming from the driver's side rear door. I had the same problem, and it is irritating as hell. I finally solved it by putting a small amount of wheel bearing grease on the two silver latches (top & bottom.) There is just enough movement there so the door latch mechanism rubs on the catch while driving. I did this about a week ago and so far, no more creaking. Now all I have to fix is the driver's side seat airbag noise, and I'll be annoying-noise-free! :twisted:

I "THINK" he is referring to the reoccurring 'CLUNK' which emits from that general area when (usually) starting off. I believe this is related to the seat-belt tensioning mechanism. Yes, it's annoying, but (until there's a 'fix') I'll live with it!

He's probably talking about the creaking noise coming from the driver's side rear door. I had the same problem, and it is irritating as hell. I finally solved it by putting a small amount of wheel bearing grease on the two silver latches (top & bottom.) There is just enough movement there so the door latch mechanism rubs on the catch while driving. I did this about a week ago and so far, no more creaking. Now all I have to fix is the driver's side seat airbag noise, and I'll be annoying-noise-free! :twisted:
YES.. thats what i needed to know. some people listening to toooo much friggin other noises than listening to what is going on with their car. ive tried taking the plastic panels on the rear suicide door off and couldnt figure it out.

Just For Your Info Fellas Im A Fine Hawaiian Girl. Hmmm. Silly Boys E's Are For Girls. [silly Rabbit Trixs Are For Kids]

BY THE WAY THANX FOR YOUR INFOS, BUT I REALLY WANTED OPINIONS FROM HAWAII MEMBERS, so that they can come on down and help me fix it.

Just For Your Info Fellas Im A Fine Hawaiian Girl. Hmmm. Silly Boys E's Are For Girls. [silly Rabbit Trixs Are For Kids]
That said, garenteeded you'll get some help! Heck, in a couple of months I'll be knee deep in snow and would swim over to help. :lol:

Safari, the panel on the rear door comes off easily. All you need is a philips screw driver (the one shaped like a +). It really is very easy to remove the panel and reinstall it; promise.

Here are the basic steps to remove the panel.

1. Pull the speaker cover off.
2. Remove the speaker and disconnect the cable.
3. With a small flat blade screw driver remove the cover inside the door handle, it is covering a screw.
4. From the bottom of the door begin to pull the plastic panel away from the metal door. It will begin to snap off.
5. Work your way about the door, where the lower black and upper gray connect it can come apart, just be careful and it won't.

Now that I helped you... will you and the rest of the Hawaiian E owners go to Frappr! and show us where you live? :) Click on the link in my Sig.

Thanks.

BY THE WAY THANX FOR YOUR INFOS, BUT I REALLY WANTED OPINIONS FROM HAWAII MEMBERS, so that they can come on down and help me fix it.

Safari!

I took the panels off on mines when I had a paintless dent remover guy massage my dent out. Let me know if you need help removing the panels. Send me a pm if you want to get in touch!

Just For Your Info Fellas Im A Fine Hawaiian Girl. Hmmm. Silly Boys E's Are For Girls. [silly Rabbit Trixs Are For Kids]

Need photographic proof...... :) :grin:

Just add some spam jelly to the door hinges or the rubber molding around the doors and da kine will be gone! You can use other better smelling liquids too if you want,..

Just add some spam jelly to the door hinges or the rubber molding around the doors and da kine will be gone! You can use other better smelling liquids too if you want,..
its not the door jams. its sounds like plastic and metal all in one. but that sounds yummy.

OKAY GANG HERE IT IS.. went to the dealer and they said that they have to order a part called the shim. i tried asking what it looked like and he couldnt describe it. and keep in mind that i bought my E 1 year ago, i asked the dealer to check a rusty clip, the dealer calls back 4 hours later to tell me that the whole door hinge is rusted, i also have the electronic rust detector. WHAT GOOD IS IT IF IT DIDNT DETECT THE RUST ON MY E. they will be taking my E in for 1 week to fix the problems, they will be giving me a loner. CAN WE SAY BUMMER?

i also have the electronic rust detector.
???

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Um, yes please explain this device or feature you think you have or that someone told you that you have that detects rust.

???

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It's actually the electronic rust preventer. Being that we are in Hawaii and surrounded by ocean, we tend to be exposed to salt in the air which causes corrosion in our cars. It's a added protection other than rust proofing they spray in the internal parts in the door jams and hood.

The C clip that's rusted is on the back door hinge that secure the hindge and door together and refrain it from separating. Not only the C clip is rusted but the hinge as well. Personally, I think the electronic rust prevent device may be defective. Another advice would help is to lube all hinges in the door jams and pretty much all door and trunk lock devices located in the jams. So that way you dont have too much friction when metal or plastic are rotating against eachother.

I would post pictures but I'm lazy after a long day at work!

Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/car-electronic-rust.htm

Hey,PT Barnum (if this quote is not his pls clarify): "There's a Sucker born every minute!"Thx, Philps No offense to those who bought the gadget of course!

It's actually the electronic rust preventer. Being that we are in Hawaii and surrounded by ocean, we tend to be exposed to salt in the air which causes corrosion in our cars. It's a added protection other than rust proofing they spray in the internal parts in the door jams and hood.

The C clip that's rusted is on the back door hinge that secure the hindge and door together and refrain it from separating. Not only the C clip is rusted but the hinge as well. Personally, I think the electronic rust prevent device may be defective. Another advice would help is to lube all hinges in the door jams and pretty much all door and trunk lock devices located in the jams. So that way you dont have too much friction when metal or plastic are rotating against eachother.

I would post pictures but I'm lazy after a long day at work!
thanx 808. i couldnt have said it any better. by the way i didnt take picture of the rust thing. i probably will tomorrow, but instead i will post the pic of our E's.

Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/car-electronic-rust.htm

Not quite that item but the one from our Honda dealership is pretty much gauranteed and warranteed. I owned a 92 Honda accord with a rust prevention mechanism called "Rust Evader" I recently sold that car to a co-worker with no rust at all. I've owned that car since 92 and I did a lot of surfing journey here in Hawaii, Oahu. This Island is very small compared to the upper states, they'd be stupid to sell such a thing and still be in business, besides they are very reputable. Call Tony Honda and ask them how long they been around!

It's very unfortunate that Sarfai had probably been issued a defected one, but all I can say is she is fully covered under warranty!

"QKMPULSE" non offense taken on your remark, But i'm no fool when it comes to dealing with the dealerships. I usually do my research before jumping into anything. I'd give it a closer look or second thought if someone was selling it from a used car lot or private sales person who's knocking on your door, even selling it over the internet. Like I said, it's being offered from a major dealership here!

"Nitz" I was fortunate to meet Sarfai and believe me she is a fine Hawaiian Hottie!:-D

<official hijack> 808: What wheel combo is that? It looks a little lower, but not an azzdragger. The wheels tuck great. How's the ride? Any scraping when turning? </hijack>

<official hijack> 808: What wheel combo is that? It looks a little lower, but not an azzdragger. The wheels tuck great. How's the ride? Any scraping when turning? </hijack>


Rolling on some 20's and some Tein Basic Coilovers suspension. No problems turning and scraping rides very nice...

Nice picture Sarfai!

I have a creaking in the tailgate....no big deal.....but nothing from the doors

...with a rust prevention mechanism called "Rust Evader"
It's very unfortunate that Sarfai had probably been issued a defected one, but all I can say is she is fully covered under warranty!
Everything I've researched about this "Rust Evader" product or process sounds like a gimmick. It is effective at preventing corrosion and rust BUT only if your car was submerged in salt water. The water is the key to conducting the electronic current that prevents the corrosion. Or so I understand anyway. So for boats or bridges or anything actually touching water it's great but evidently even the inventor of "Rust Evader" is banned from advertising the product with that name or "Rust Buster" for falsified claims The whole thing sounds a bit shady.
Read here:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/rust-id.htm
and here, half way down:
http://www.lawpublish.com/nov.htm
and especially here:
http://www.buffalo.edu/reporter/vol27/vol27n17/n5.html

Everything I've researched about this "Rust Evader" product or process sounds like a gimmick. It is effective at preventing corrosion and rust BUT only if your car was submerged in salt water. The water is the key to conducting the electronic current that prevents the corrosion. Or so I understand anyway. So for boats or bridges or anything actually touching water it's great but evidently even the inventor of "Rust Evader" is banned from advertising the product with that name or "Rust Buster" for falsified claims The whole thing sounds a bit shady.
Read here:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/rust-id.htm
and here, half way down:
http://www.lawpublish.com/nov.htm
and especially here:

http://www.buffalo.edu/reporter/vol27/vol27n17/n5.html (http://www.buffalo.edu/reporter/vol27/vol27n17/n5.html)

Well then you know what? Do you honestly think that she would be covered in repairing the rust without purchasing the rust preventer?

If she hadn't purchased the electronic rust device, she would still have that problem but no coverage to repair it. "Sorry, you haven't purchase any protection, unfortunely you will have to pay for the repair if you want it fixed!" That would be a qoute from the dealer!

Props to you for doing all that research, but either way, I am still covered one way or another. My personal car insurance wouldn't cover rust that's for sure! See what i'm sayin?

Not quite that item but the one from our Honda dealership is pretty much gauranteed and warranteed. I owned a 92 Honda accord with a rust prevention mechanism called "Rust Evader" I recently sold that car to a co-worker with no rust at all. I've owned that car since 92 and I did a lot of surfing journey here in Hawaii, Oahu. This Island is very small compared to the upper states, they'd be stupid to sell such a thing and still be in business, besides they are very reputable. Call Tony Honda and ask them how long they been around!

It's very unfortunate that Sarfai had probably been issued a defected one, but all I can say is she is fully covered under warranty!

"QKMPULSE" non offense taken on your remark, But i'm no fool when it comes to dealing with the dealerships. I usually do my research before jumping into anything. I'd give it a closer look or second thought if someone was selling it from a used car lot or private sales person who's knocking on your door, even selling it over the internet. Like I said, it's being offered from a major dealership here!

"Nitz" I was fortunate to meet Sarfai and believe me she is a fine Hawaiian Hottie!:-D
thank yoooooouuu. a hottie in uniform...

OOOps. this site is not about me, it is about my EEEEEEEE. he he he

That's your uniform?! :grin:

I have had a couple of friends buy that electronic rust protection device and they swear by it. I did not buy it because I didn't understand how it worked. Instead I got rust proofing, which is not 100% fool proof either here in the islands. The seabreezes are just too strong in the long run!

Warranty should cover any damage to you E and hopefully the dealership won't make it hard to repair the damage.

I have not problems with my E, except for the easily cracking front window, and easily dented doors/hood. Oh yes my driver's side door's rubber trim seems to be a bit off, as rain drops come into my E sometimes. It might be caused by hanging on the open door, when I washed it in the past.

I also live on an Island and am probably closer to the salt spray than the posters in Hawaii are. I have only had one vehicle that got very rusty and that was because I submerged it in 4+ feet of salt water when my street flooded back in 1996. Any rust that I see now, including on my Element is surface rust/corrosion and is easily brushed off. Keeping hinges greased helps the hinges, keeping the painted surfaces waxed helps those areas.

There is nothing sold that will prevent/stop a vehicle from rusting. Underbody rust sprays don't work... in most cases they actually speed up the promotion of rust by trapping moisture between the spray and the body itself. All new vehicles sold are protected at the factory against rusting, anything you do to try and prevent rust on your own will generally only cause the speed up of rust to form.

The Element is warranted against rust for 5 yrs and unlimited miles (according to my 2003 warranty). This is if the rust is from the inside out, not the outside in. It is also not covered if there is damage. Other rust is covered depending on the situation.

Anything that a dealer is selling to undercoat or prevent or detect rust is a gimmick and will only lighten your wallet. Just because you have a vehicle that hasn't rusted and one of these "rust prevention" devices is installed doesn't mean it works... it just means your car didn't rust.

Another thing that's making wonder if Sarfai even knew what was sold to her was when she said "i also have the electronic rust detector. WHAT GOOD IS IT IF IT DIDNT DETECT THE RUST ON MY E."
I seriously doubt anyone makes an electronic rust detector that alerts the driver that rust has just formed on the door hinge or anywhere else for that matter. There are handheld units that are supposed to detect rust on a panel beneath paint I believe but that's not the samething. Believe me, I don't think this is really Sarfai's fault but I'm getting the feeling she was sold some missinformation along with her Element and a bogus rust protection upgrade.

these are the pictures i needed to show y'all.

the first picture is the driver side rear door hinge. 2} is the rust starting to spread. 3} the rust detector. 4} the detector with the red led on. 5} the location of the detector. for some reason they seem to put all the detectors in this area.

Did they tell you what this rust "detector" is supposed to do? As in how it lets you know there is rust anywhere on the vehicle? Does it chirp or have a flashing LED on the dash or is it a verbal warning? I still think what you have is "Electronic Rust Prevention" like this RustStop kit seen here.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/931/ruststop2qh.jpg

It supposedly sends out a current that deters rust from forming. Laboratory tests have shown the product is only effective if the metal object it's attached to is actually submerged in water. They use these similar products on bridges, docks and boats.......notice the pattern. Does the box you have pictured actually say rust detector or did you get any paperwork or manuals with it?

Where's MikeQBF? He usually knows about this stuff. Any metallurgists or electrical engineers in the house to chime in on the validity to what Sarfai actually has?

Lets give the product the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake... just for a second.

In order for this device to be able to detect rust on any point on a vehicle, it would need an individual wire connected to every single piece of metal on the car. The reason? So much of a vehicle is isolated from the other pieces of metal. Whether it is from paint, or bushings, or suspension, bonding agents, rust preventative, sound proofing, etc.

Just from that perspective these types of devices can never work in an automotive application.

Empire the device you are talking about that can actually read rust through paint is generally used in the high end car market. They use these devices to read both the thickness of paint as well as whether the metal under the paint is intact, rusting or has been repaired.

As for the pictures, I see no rust anywhere in any of those pictures.

Lets give the product the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake... just for a second.

In order for this device to be able to detect rust on any point on a vehicle, it would need an individual wire connected to every single piece of metal on the car. The reason? So much of a vehicle is isolated from the other pieces of metal. Whether it is from paint, or bushings, or suspension, bonding agents, rust preventative, sound proofing, etc.

Just from that perspective these types of devices can never work in an automotive application.

Empire the device you are talking about that can actually read rust through paint is generally used in the high end car market. They use these devices to read both the thickness of paint as well as whether the metal under the paint is intact, rusting or has been repaired.

As for the pictures, I see no rust anywhere in any of those pictures.I know the picture isn't great quality but its something, picture 2 on the "C" clip is rusted and the dealer determined by taking off the door that there is rust. all in all, its covered under warranty and as long as i get my E back with all its parts in tact and still covered under warranty its all good.

I know the picture isn't great quality but its something, picture 2 on the "C" clip is rusted and the dealer determined by taking off the door that there is rust. all in all, its covered under warranty and as long as i get my E back with all its parts in tact and still covered under warranty its all good.

OHHHH!!! I thought you meant the Element itself was rusting! The small pieces of hardware always rust/corrode. This is normal for pieces of hardware that aren't coated/protected.

I GOT MY E BACK FROM THE DEALER. what once was loose is now tight. the rust situation, well the dealer said "sure is rust" the body shop said "nope" it was just the bronze clip under the C clip on the door hinge that was rusted. so the body shop replaced the clips on driver side and passanger side and supposedly they painted the door hinge. huh. I give it a week to see if the noise is still there. also the rust as long as it is covered by warranty, its all GOOD

Nice 2 E's ! Is yours the one with or without the Vent-Visors ??

okay, i have to take back what i said in this previous post. the noise is still there, and the door hinge was not painted, wait, yeah it was painted, WITH MY OWN TOUCH UP PAINT. i could have had my E all this time and could have touched up what ever on the hinge my self. I thought the dealer was going to do something about my problems. GUESS NOT. the service guy said they put a shim to insulate the noise, WHAT FREAKIN SHIM, the driver side seat belt panel looks the same inside and out, before they took my E. I think sometimes(most times) the dealers and service people are corrupt. claiming to fix a problem, but actually create a whole new one, so you gotta come back again. JUNKI GOT MY E BACK FROM THE DEALER. what once was loose is now tight. the rust situation, well the dealer said "sure is rust" the body shop said "nope" it was just the bronze clip under the C clip on the door hinge that was rusted. so the body shop replaced the clips on driver side and passanger side and supposedly they painted the door hinge. huh. I give it a week to see if the noise is still there. also the rust as long as it is covered by warranty, its all GOOD

Which dealer did you take it to? Tony Honda seems to be very helpful and always sends out a questionaire about their service. I have heard that they fire people if the questionaire is not consistently positive. It also helps that Tony borrows money from my bank and I was introduced to the finance/sales managers a while back by our car dealer dept. manager. Aloha and hope your creek gets fixed somehow. My E doesn't seem to have it.

Which dealer did you take it to? Tony Honda seems to be very helpful and always sends out a questionaire about their service. I have heard that they fire people if the questionaire is not consistently positive. It also helps that Tony borrows money from my bank and I was introduced to the finance/sales managers a while back by our car dealer dept. manager. Aloha and hope your creek gets fixed somehow. My E doesn't seem to have it.
the auto plex. i bought the E from there so i figured i take it back while still under warranty. I was thinking of taking it to pfhlueger (how ever you spell it) honda in town, thats were i took the E when the darn side step wholes needed to be retapped, they did a good job. dunno yet. oh and the questionaire about how the service experience, ever since i took the E in i never had any questionaires, the only one i may have had was when i traded my cr-v in for the E, and i didnt leave any good comment on it what so ever, it was a bad grewling 6 hours, but the sales person is no longer there. hmm.

Sorry to hear that you had bad experiences there. You should contact them and let them know so that they'll take care of you better or offer you some perks of some type.

the auto plex. i bought the E from there so i figured i take it back while still under warranty. I was thinking of taking it to pfhlueger (how ever you spell it) honda in town, thats were i took the E when the darn side step wholes needed to be retapped, they did a good job. dunno yet. oh and the questionaire about how the service experience, ever since i took the E in i never had any questionaires, the only one i may have had was when i traded my cr-v in for the E, and i didnt leave any good comment on it what so ever, it was a bad grewling 6 hours, but the sales person is no longer there. hmm.

Honda Windward always sends out service questionaires. From what one sales person said, anything below a 6 (out of 6) is "needs room for improvement." Good way to think of it, but a solid 5 to me is still good.

Honda Windward always sends out service questionaires. From what one sales person said, anything below a 6 (out of 6) is "needs room for improvement." Good way to think of it, but a solid 5 to me is still good.
NOPE NADA ZILCH NOTHING, i didnt get no service questionaires from the auto plex, but i did get one from honda windward yesterday when i went to get the problem fixed that the auto plex couldnt (gotta give it a few days to see if it did really get fixed) but yeah i got a questionaire and mailing it tomorrow.

Hey ummmm Sar,
So how is it so far??.....Any return noises??

Hey ummmm Sar,
So how is it so far??.....Any return noises??
i dont hear any thing yet, however, the door when you close it sounds alright but when you open the rear driver door its kinda sticking. you'll see one day.

Do you have to tug at it or is it kind of binding?

Do you have to tug at it or is it kind of binding?
Small kind tug. i gotta go back to windward, they said that the auto plex guys broke the panel behind the rear door, so i gotta pic that piece up and install.

<---Impressed at Sars hearing...(usually she is slamming her sounds)...How could she possibly hear with her sounds crankin....lol....=)

<---Impressed at Sars hearing...(usually she is slamming her sounds)...How could she possibly hear with her sounds crankin....lol....=)
I have super sonic hearing = ) wait.... wait..... a.... minute.... I thought I heard you fart.... all the way up in P.C, see I told you I have super sonic hearing.,,,lol lol lol

wow...I just had a brain fart...lol

Do you have to tug at it or is it kind of binding?
:shock: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha... never mind .. :twisted: