Honda America; listen up Dudes. The Good year Wrangler HP you put on the E as OEM tires suckkkk big time. Goodness, mercy, sakes alive, for $125. a tire you could put good quality Michelins on it. I mean, like, it's not just me, but the salesman told us on the test drive the tires were noisy and the pitttts.

We fell in love with the E and bought one and immediately swapped out the loser Good Year tires for Toyo Transpath A-14's and it is an entirely different vehicle, drives MUCH better and rides better and much quieter. Cost us $200. to correct Honda big mistake but we feel our E is worth it. For goodbnes sakes Honda, do us E owners a favor and don't keep using those loser Good Year Wrangler tires. Merry Christmas ! Huney.

EDIT: Honda America - Didn't mean to step on your toes so hard about the tires, but I must say, you all did one heck of a fine job designing a real fine vehicle and we absoultely love our Elle. Hey, I chose it over a $30K Explorer and have ten grand left in the pocket and a heck'ava lot less depreciation.

Most of my 4 wheeled Hondas have come with "name" brand rubber that weren't worth the raw materials they were made from, IMO. Our 2 week old LX E "lost" itzz Badyear Bunglers last Monday for a set of Michelin LTX M/S from the Tire Rack, and as we got hit with 9" of new snow Thursday into Friday the LTX's instantly paid for themselves! My Mazda 3S (with really lousy all season rubber, but good if all means only 3!) sat in my garage while I took my wife's E to work through our mostly unplowed streets. The AWD combined with the new Michelin's made for a gr8 combo.


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What I find amusing is that Goodyear actually makes some excellent tires. I've used Wrangler AP and ATs for many years, and they're simply great.

Does Goodyear have any idea that, by making these knockoff HPs so sh*tty, they've effectively killed all possibility of most E buyers ever buying Goodyears again, for any car they own?

I don't get it, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

Since my 97 RAV4 has an HP spare, it is likely that the design goes back at least that far. The problem may be that they are a dated design, rather than a bad one. Also any tire is a compromise. The choices that GY (and Honda) made with the HPs may be good for some people, but not for others.

Question - has any one gotten better gas mileage with replacement tires?
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19216

paulj

i'm looking forward to putting my hankook ventus tires on my e

The Toyo Tranpath is An OE tire for the Toyota RAV 4 I hope u didnt pay $200.00 per tire.The A14 doesnt have a great warranty due to the fact it is an OE tire. and Next time check out the Toyo M410 50,000 mile warrany from the manufacturer



Honda America; listen up Dudes. The Good year Wrangler HP you put on the E as OEM tires suckkkk big time. Goodness, mercy, sakes alive, for $125. a tire you could put good quality Michelins on it. I mean, like, it's not just me, but the salesman told us on the test drive the tires were noisy and the pitttts.

We fell in love with the E and bought one and immediately swapped out the loser Good Year tires for Toyo Transpath A-14's and it is an entirely different vehicle, drives MUCH better and rides better and much quieter. Cost us $200. to correct Honda big mistake but we feel our E is worth it. For goodbnes sakes Honda, do us E owners a favor and don't keep using those loser Good Year Wrangler tires. Mery Christmas ! Huney.

I got rid of mine last week with 19,000 on them.Should have did it long ago.The outside edges looked like a nascar tire ,Bald! Went with uniroyal tiger paws.Like the beefier look to them .Got a crazy story though.The day I got them put on I drove about a mile down the road turned into a grocery store parking lot.As I was going through the lot I heard crunch sound like if you ran over a clump of ice or snow.I looked in the rearview mirror and saw nothing.I decided stop and take a look at the tire anyway.Here was a 2x2 inch flat piece of steel sticking right out between the tread.There was air slowly leaking out. I quickly drove back where I got them and they were able to patch it.Thy said they never had anybody come back that quick with a problem!:shock: :shock:

I also ridded my E of those wranglers at 19,000 miles last week. Replaced wtih Michelin LTX M/S's. If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it the first day I got my E. Maybe even attempted to bargain with the dealer to just keep the POS tires--why pay for something so absolutely useless, yet so important as tires??

As the prior post stated, my edges were entirely bald as well. The inner threads were still okay, but for only 19,000 miles, noticeably worn as well.
The wear pattern was quite wierd. The handling with the tires on was also quite wierd. I even had the car aligned at 8,000 and 15,000 because I swore it was out of alignment. It pulled up til the day I dumped the Wranglers. Suddenly, in spite of outright downpour on the way home from buying new tires, my E tracked straight as an arrow. I keep taking my hands off the wheel as I drive, because I just can't believe how straight it tracks now compared to before. It is perfect.

As also said above, Goodyear really is shooting themselves in the foot and the head by making these low grade junks. I also have used GY Wrangler AT's on prior vehicles, as well as several other goodyear models over the years. After this experience, I doubt if I would ever be interested in buying GY again. There are other choices out there, so why bother with the GY's if they can't stand for quality top to bottom.

"The Toyo Tranpath is An OE tire for the Toyota RAV 4 I hope u didnt pay $200.00 per tire." No Sir, we paid $200. boot $50. per tire to swap out for all four. Was impressed because Toyo's having a special where you buy the tires and drive them for 500 miles and if you don't like them bring them back for a full refund. I priced out Michelin XLT's but they wanted $425. boot so with Toyo's trial I said what the heck, let's give 'em a spin and we are very pleased.

My tire man said a mutual friend came in last week with a Land Rover with 23K miles on it with same tires we had and they were cupped real bad and had to replace. I know those good folks and I guarantee that Rover has never done any off roading, maybe a dirt road now and then, but no serious off roading. Yes, I know Good Year *does* make some good tires because you see them on the big SUV's and trucks and what not, but like I said in the original thread, why in the world Honda put Wrangler HP's on the E is beyond me. BTW, the more we drive our Elle the more we enjoy it and every time I see it it makes me grin. :D

Good job and Great price Toyo has the 500 mile trial on all their tires so im glad you got such a good price.I replaced My GY the 2nd week i had my E

seb replied, "What I find amusing is that Goodyear actually makes some excellent tires. I've used Wrangler AP and ATs for many years, and they're simply great." Yeah, roger that seb and HOnda stepped up to the plate and put Good Year Eagles on the 06 Civics which is darn good rubber.

I think it is going to be interesting to see if Honda DOES pay attention to feedback from us E owners and change to another brand of tire because there's to many E owners griping about the HP's for them not to pay attention, and if they don't change to another quality tire, Honda gets a zero for the day in that respect. I do declare, the E is such a nice SUV so well thought out, putting BadYear Wrangler HP's on it, it's almost like putting recaps on a Testa-Rosa Ferrari. Well, . . . maybe not *that* bad, . . . but you catch my drift. :)

When we get rid of our Goodyears and get Michelins, it will be the 3rd Honda we've done this with. The 1st was our '87 Accord. When I took it in to see why it handled weirdly, the mechanic said 'It's those crappy tires. get some Mich's'. What an improvement, like driving a different vehicle.

Did the same for our '00 CR-V, and my niece is still driving on those, and they still look good.

Did the same for our '00 CR-V, and my niece is still driving on those, and they still look good.

gotten rid of Goodyears, or just gotten Michelins? I thought CRVs generally came with Bridgestone tires.

At the time Honda introduced the Element, the HPs and a Bridgestone model were the only 'highway allseason' tires available in the chosen size. We have speculated about why they choose that particular size.

paulj

treadwear aside, ours are almost toast at about 17k mi and we run dedicated Nokian HakkiaSUV studded snows so I have no idea how they do in snow.

But I can tell ya I hit a large section of standing water at nearly 80MPH merging onto the interstate with those tires on, watched another car directly in front of me spin out and fly across 3 lanes of highway traffic, must have spun around at least 6 times. But I was able to come to a very rapid stop in a nice straight line it scared the bajezus out of me... But those stock tires worked great with more than 1/2 the tread gone. so there ya have it, they're not as bad as ya may think..

Going to get something else when it comes time(soon) to replace them because at $127/ea(tirerack) I like my tires to last more than 20k mi ;-) Otherwise they're a great tire.

Our 3 day old 2007 Civic has bridgestones on her. My 2005 E has, well you all know what on them. my thoughts on the GY tire??

I never had a Goodyear Tire I ever liked!!!!!!

My 2 Cents... Be Safe,, Dave

I have to echo everyone's complaints on these Goodyears. They are crap! I have 17k miles on my 2006 E and even with faithful 5k tire rotations they have bald exterior edges and the tread is just beginning to show the wear bars. Maybe living in Texas makes the tread wear quicker since it's so dang hot in the summer but only 17K miles?

It'd be nice if Honda would wake up and fix this...but I'm not holding my breath!

I am glad to see I am not the only one getting subpar performance from the stock Goodyear tires. We have 2 Elements and both sets of tires are not holding up well for the limited amount of mileage on them. When it comes time to replace them (which won't be very long) I am going to look into another brand. Very disappointed.

vandstra....Anti-Gravity mods with quad plasma inducer thrusters. Translucent mood paint with cloaking upgrade. Inter-galactic navigation system with teleportation mode. Extra anti-matter tanks for extended cruising. And fuzzy dice on the rear view mirror.

I think you should be more concerned about your Anti-Gravity mods. You should not have any tire wear so soon if they are working properly.:razz:

I guess I lack a refined taste when it comes to my tires. My OEMs seem fine. Only have 7K miles. When new they did fine in the snow and freezing rain back in Jan and Feb. Not unhappy with the way the E rides. Ignorance is bliss.

I think you should be more concerned about your Anti-Gravity mods. You should not have any tire wear so soon if they are working properly.



Asteroid belts are hell on rubber.:rolleyes:

My GYs have gone over 38,000 so far. They aren't quite down to the tread bars. I would never put Goodyears back on but I got my monies worth.

I have 16K on my OEM tires, they are properly inflated and have tons of tread left. I haven't had any issues with them. When its time to replace I think I will try some Nokians.

It's not a great treadwear number, but you'd think Honda as a manufacturer of above average cars would put above average tires on their vehicles. I'm tossing my OEM tires next week when the Element goes in for a set of Geolandars. I managed to get 28000 kms out of the OEM's (rotated regularly and maintained properly) and now they're slipping on wet pavement and I just don't feel secure driving on them, and I've never been all that impressed with them anyway. Anyone interested in a cheap set of Wranglers in the Ottawa area? :)

My Wranglers only lasted 19K and they were thin. I went through proper rotations and all and finally I complained to GY who told me they would never have placed those tires on a vehicle as OEM as they considered the Wranglers as a replacement tire. I ended up getting new tires for my '03 SMM and they told me to go with something that the tire center recommended which just happended to be the Bridgestone Dueler H/L's. I love them and have had them not on my first E but the dealership pulled them off of my SMM and put them on my '06 TRP. They said it made no sense to have to go through the same thing again, especially since they paid for the Duelers. Anyway, I'd never have the Wranglers for anything but I have had some decent GY before. I do highly recommend the Bridgestones. These particular ones have a 60K rating on them, they're quiet, sure grip on wet roads and nice in the snow and ice. If and when I replace these tires I will be going with them again, but maybe in an 18" with some SC wheels or a black rim with chrome lip.

Exactly right that Honda and Goodyear are shooting themselves in the foot, stock tires are unsafe in the wet, loud and bad riding. Honda would sell more cars, Goodyear would keep customers with better tires.

I swapped for some Goodyear Fortera Silent Armor, whole nother world, they were made for the E, doesn't feel like you could ever lose traction, shockingly quiet and better ride.

Traction rating is 'A' though...

Regards,