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: Hip to be Square: Element a great 'town car'


Rover
01-05-2006, 05:46 PM
http://www.towntopics.com/jan0406/auto.html

by Richard O'Brien
I am out of my element.
Well, okay, actually I am in my Element — as in the Atomic Blue Metallic 2006 Honda Element EX-P loaned to me for the day by the good folks at Honda of Princeton. But what I mean is that I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be doing. (And, I promise, that's the only "Element" pun I'll make — no "table of Elements" or "Element-ary, my dear Watson," or "herds of trumpeting Elements," or ...). Usually, when setting out to write a car review I know exactly what to do: find a challenging bit of road and open it up. Over the years, I've had occasion to put Aston Martins, BMWs, and Ferraris through their paces. Most recently I got to test gallop a V8 Mustang GT. Vehicles like that come equipped with an instant alter ego — you slip into the race driver role as easily as you do into the bucket seats — as well as an imperative to drive them up to their standard.

The Element, however, is all about doing things "your own way," as Honda likes to put it. An imaginatively-conceived, thoughtfully-designed and smartly-built vehicle, it is cheerfully ready to adapt to your persona (or lifestyle, or whatever the current term is). And so, on this mid-December Saturday afternoon I am not on some test track or twisting mountain highway, but rather I am cruising downtown Princeton, driving my 15-year-old daughter, Valentina, around while she shops for gifts. And you know what? It's a fun way to go.

Now, I've never been an SUV guy and I've never owned (thank heavens) a minivan, so I was a little worried that I was crossing into one of those territories when I picked up the Element. But after only a few miles I was convinced that this vehicle sits happily outside both camps. Though Valentina instantly dubbed it the "Man Van," that was just to get her dad's goat, and I'm happy to report that the Element has none of the mushy feel of the classic soccer mom-mobile. Neither does it have the macho posture of a pumped-up SUV. Park it alongside a row of Blazers and Hummers and the effect is like seeing Spicoli going out for the Ridgemont High football team. It's just playing a different sport, dude.

In fact, with its distinctive square, upright configuration and its center-opening swing-wide doors with no pillar between them, the Element is ready for any number of different sports — including, if you've seen the commercial, auto frisbee. Ian Pagnillo, the sales rep from Honda of Princeton who checked me out on the vehicle, assured me that, with the two rear seats folded up, the Element could accommodate two 26-inch mountain bikes side-by-side, without having to remove wheels or seats. And, he added, any mud from the bikes' knobby tires could easily be taken care of, given the urethane-coated utility floor and the waterproof, stain-resistant fabric on the seats. "I wouldn't run a hose in there," he said brightly, "but you can wipe it down very easily." I began to feel as though I should be doing something both more active and far grungier than mere holiday shopping.

But you clearly don't have to be an X Games competitor to enjoy the Element. Or even a Gen X-er. As Honda of Princeton sales manager Kevin Holohan told me, the vehicle has proven surprisingly popular with older buyers as well. "A number of our first customers were older than what we thought the target demographic was going to be," he said. "And now we see it appealing to people all across the age spectrum."

Which makes sense, given the Element's low cost (prices start at $17,750 for the basic LX; the EX-P I was driving was listed at about $23,000), engineering (156-horsepower 2.3-liter 16-valve double-overhead-cam engine and available Real Time 4-wheel — which sends power to the rear wheels as well if either of the front wheels starts to slip) and versatility. In addition to the wide-opening side doors, the rear features a "clamshell" tailgate that offers a high and broad opening, as well as a sturdy nonstick platform that can support a couple of hundred pounds, perfect for, well, a tailgate — or even a clambake. The rear seats fold, flip, or come out for a total of 64 configurations. I was heartened to know that if Valentina took too long picking out her gifts, I could remove the headrest from either of the front seats, recline it flat and hook it up to form a full length sleeping platform — complete with a removable skylight in the back. With the 270-watt stereo with XM Satellite Radio, I could doze off to any one of 150 channels.
I managed to stay awake however, and after parking near Palmer Square, got out to take a closer look around the exterior. I was surprised, but the Element's boxy looks were starting to grow on me. The model I had was painted a solid blue, a very attractive alternative to the gray side panels that made the original Element look all too plastic-toy-like. While I was standing there, an older couple strolling by slowed to eye the car. "That's one of those Elements," I heard the man say. "It's cute," said the woman. I felt a surge of paternal pride.

A moment later an attractive younger couple stopped and peered in the windows to see the interior. "Lots of room for gear," said the man, who looked as if he might actually own a mountain bike. We talked for a while about the car's features and styling and I showed them how the doors worked, vaguely ashamed that there wasn't more mud on the floor. They went off together talking about going to the Honda dealer.

Driving home with Valentina, it occurred to me that not every test drive needs to be an adrenaline-fix. Sometimes it's nice to be in a vehicle that fits in — in at least 64 different ways. We passed a red Element headed the other way. I gave a wave.

IRV
01-05-2006, 06:22 PM
Thank you for the contribution. Good write up.:)

Ranger
01-05-2006, 06:28 PM
Good article.

Someone who actually says you can not hose it out.
FINALLY.

3_3rdHonda
01-05-2006, 07:35 PM
Hip to be Square. Haha...good one. That'd be a good slogan for E owners. Bumper sticker design? Logos? Theme song?

Hipness squared? Dayum! How hip can u get?

hiker chick
01-05-2006, 09:40 PM
Nicely stated, he gets the essence of the E.

Thanks for posting that.

:)

nathan
01-14-2006, 09:39 AM
he GOT it...nice article...thanks for posting...

CKinSD
01-17-2006, 05:57 PM
great read thanks for posting.

Cyclist_306
01-17-2006, 07:19 PM
You mean like this?

3_3rdHonda
01-17-2006, 07:41 PM
You mean like this?

And add this,


"I used to be a renegade, I used to fool around
But I couldn’t take the punishment, and had to settle down
Now I’m playing it real straight, and yes I cut my hair
You might think I’m crazy, but I don’t even care
Because I can tell what’s going on
It’s hip to be square

I like my bands in business suits, I watch them on tv
I’m working out most everyday and watching what I eat
They tell me that it’s good for me, but I don’t even care
I know that it’s crazy
I know that it’s nowhere
But there is no denying that
It’s hip to be square

It’s not too hard to figure out, you see it everyday
And those that were the farthest out have gone the other way
You see them on the freeway, it don’t look like a lot of fun
But don’t you try to fight it; an idea who’s time has come.

Don’t tell me that I’m crazy
Don’t tell me I’m nowhere
Take it from me
It’s hip to be square



huey lewis & the news, lyrics


"Hip to Be Square"

jamfan
01-25-2011, 12:07 AM
Nice article but no way in hell you are fitting two mountain bikes in there with the seats just folded up. Even taking the seats out, they will barely fit, and if when they do count on them becoming interlocked. Good luck getting them out :-)

Jojo
01-25-2011, 09:06 AM
Nice article but no way in hell you are fitting two mountain bikes in there with the seats just folded up. Even taking the seats out, they will barely fit, and if when they do count on them becoming interlocked. Good luck getting them out :-)

We bought 2 mountain bikes and brought them home with no problems.

Oh I loved the article, he really does feel it.

runmaster
01-25-2011, 08:50 PM
I do it all the time. Just put them in opposite direction. I never have to take the seats out.

scorsone
01-26-2011, 06:47 AM
Jamfan, you do know that the seats will fold up against the side walls of the E don't you???

I have never heard of anyone having problems putting two bikes in their E. With the seats out I have fit four bikes in it.

jamfan
01-26-2011, 10:59 AM
Jamfan, you do know that the seats will fold up against the side walls of the E don't you???

I have never heard of anyone having problems putting two bikes in their E. With the seats out I have fit four bikes in it.

Yes, maybe my bike is just too big. I ride a 21" mountain bike and I can barely fit it in there on its own (have to lean it pretty well to the side.) without taking the wheel off. I either have to scoot the passenger seat all the way up and turn the front wheel, or take out the cooler and push the rear wheel into that spot.

It is do-able to get both bikes in there without the seats but I think its pretty well impossible with both seats in there folded up on the sides, at least for me.

psschmied
01-27-2011, 12:48 PM
The phrases that come to mind are "preaching to the choir" and "closing the barn door after the horses have fled".

richwads
04-04-2011, 10:37 AM
Nice article but no way in hell you are fitting two mountain bikes in there with the seats just folded up. Even taking the seats out, they will barely fit, and if when they do count on them becoming interlocked. Good luck getting them out :-)

My wife and I do it. Are you speaking from experience? Wish I had a pic handy, but with the back seats folded up, one bike on each side, with a bungy from top to bottom holding each one against the folded up seat on its side, and the front wheels touching the back of each front seat, it just works for us. No interlocking. They roll in and out. A little bit of handle bar juggling by a person in the side door while the other pushes the bike in, tho.

GaryS
04-04-2011, 01:51 PM
Nice article but no way in hell you are fitting two mountain bikes in there with the seats just folded up.
You may have a point. I've never tried it with the seats in as they reside on a shelf in my garage.

Even taking the seats out, they will barely fit, and if when they do count on them becoming interlocked. Good luck getting them out :-)

Here's a pick of my two Cannondales in my E. The Jeykell is a large and the Super V is a medium:

thinkinsip
05-06-2011, 12:33 AM
I can fit two whitewater kayaks and gear in mine :)

psschmied
05-06-2011, 09:14 AM
You mean like this?
or perhaps this:

jamfan
05-06-2011, 10:09 AM
You may have a point. I've never tried it with the seats in as they reside on a shelf in my garage.



Here's a pick of my two Cannondales in my E. The Jeykell is a large and the Super V is a medium:

Wish I could leave my seats in the garage, but we go hiking a lot too and usually bring our two dogs. One loves to "ride the console cooler" and the other likes to sit up on the back seats and look out the windows. Taking them in/out is not a big deal but I like convenience. For now I just put my bike on the roof rack (21" specialized), and my wife's bike fits in pretty easy with the seats folded up. Part of the problem for me with cramming two bikes in there was throwing in all the gear that goes with it too (camel baks, pump, bike shoes, etc.) which I usually keep in a plastic storage box.

Speedy Toaster Dave
05-15-2011, 06:50 AM
both my seats are out bikes are huge treks and gary fisher so i needed the room:grin: