Ground Control coilover conversion kit is now available for the E. this will allow you run a coilover setup with whatever shock you want. They also alow you to customize your spring rates and ride height from 0 to 2.5 inch drop. By the way this company is top notch and they include a lifetime warranty on all there parts. I use a similar setup on my race Civic and I love them!!

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=527/CA=76

John

The problem with Teins if you break one you have to chase down a Tein shock. Could be weeks. So the question now is what shocks are good to go with?

I love flexibility which is why I drive an Element!

That thing only has five coils on it!!Any one ever use GCstuff?They ride like poo.I had a set on my civic and they did not stay long.I replaced them with Koni coilovers. But any way the civic GC's had 5 coils ant the Koni had 11 like the factory.I know we are limited on suspension choices just wanted to put out an opinion from someone who has used them

I love seeing un-educated peopel making comments about products. They ride like poo...wow that is informative! I personally race and drive on them everyday along with a ton of others. They are excellent high quality products!! My Setup is GC coilover sleeves with Koni Shocks. I would not trade them for anything!!

John

I love seeing un-educated peopel making comments about products. They ride like poo...wow that is informative! I personally race and drive on them everyday along with a ton of others. They are excellent high quality products!! My Setup is GC coilover sleeves with Koni Shocks. I would not trade them for anything!!

John

You have these on your E? Stock or drop? Thank you.

un-educated my a$$.I have been in this game probably longer then you have been driving.I have built enough cars to know what I am talking.A friend and I owned our own shop for several years untill he passed away.Every set of groung control coilover we installed were replaced in less then a year because they ride like ****.Half a coil spring does not make it a race spring. Unless they have changed in the last couple of years they were fashion not function.Oh and so you don't think I'm full of **** we have had a car @ sema and also in the focal wheel booth and also toyo booth @ nopi.Hows that for un-educated and not knowing what I'm talking about

wooo! shouldn't of click on this one...what is this... some sort of honda board.

You still didnt explain why they felt like poo?:razz: Half a spring doesnt explain anything! Could you car possibly been not setup correctly? Dropped to much and riding on the bumpstops? Mine rides great grandpa (You been driving forever huh?). Hmmmmm mine ride so good I have road raced and autocrossed on them winning events along with 1000's of other Honda's and BMW's.

You should really watch how you respond to people. You really dont know anything about me or my background. I could be way older and more experienced than you.

John

woooooooow! So much anger...someone put on some Bob Marley quick.

woooooooow! So much anger...someone put on some Bob Marley quick.

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Haha! Thanks bobhch/hchbob seems a little more mellow in here now...and hazy :D

These GC coilovers have been available for a while. I have been planning on getting them for over a year. When I first bought the E, I went down to ProStreet (http://prostreetonline.com/catalog/ground_control_coilovers/honda.asp) (They are right next to my house!) and checked out my available options for lowering. I have many friends who ride GC and say it's great. I will post pics after install... I am buying them in th next 2 weeks.

That thing only has five coils on it!!Any one ever use GCstuff?They ride like poo.I had a set on my civic and they did not stay long.I replaced them with Koni coilovers. But any way the civic GC's had 5 coils ant the Koni had 11 like the factory.I know we are limited on suspension choices just wanted to put out an opinion from someone who has used them

I thought that the stock spring only has 5 coils itself.

here's the question, how much does it not lowered, some say 1", some say 0". i want stiffer spring, wo the drop. maybe when they come out with performance struts...

I agree. I just want new springs without changing the height. The coilovers are supposed to be able to give stock height and lower it also. If you find a good price and more information let me know.

see, from what i've read, the teins coil overs lowers a min of 2" and ground control 1". it seems that they don't go to stock height. i think it might just be more of a reality and cheaper to go to stiff stocks, if they ever will come up with some.

Info from the Ground Control website. The height is adjustable from 0 to 2.5 inches with the included springs. You could also order a custom setup from them that would go either higher than stock or lower than 2.5.

Expected ride height change from 0 to 2.5 inches
http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=527/CA=76

John

yea, i saw that, the way they word it like a liabilty thing. should say adjustable from 0" or stock to 4" not expected which give a sense that if it doesn't lower after the install, they're not liable. i hope someone have this on their element set at 0" drop chimes in.

I just got my tein coilovers installed Wednesday and I am rubbing fender a lot! I even ripped out one of those clips in the fender when my tire hit it yesterday. So after talking to the shop guy I'm bringing my car back in on Monday and they're gonna take off the shocks and send them to tein so they can be rebuilt to work with a stiffer spring and then I'm ordering 400kg springs for the back 2 coilovers and that should fix the rubbing. I was told that I could go up to a 200kg spring without rebuilding the shocks but for every 400kg you go up the shock must be rebuilt at about $100 per shock. So with this rebuild I'm getting I can go up to a 600kg shock without rebuilding again but if I want to go to an 800kg spring I will need another rebuild. 800kg is the stiffest spring tein makes. This info might be helpful to someone considering this option. I've already spent almost $1400 on just the coilovers + labor and this rebuild is probably gonna set me back another $400-$500.

In order to not rub with the springs that came with the coilovers I was told I would need to raise my Element to almost stock height, which is not an option for me. I bought the coilovers so I could lower my car and then raise it back up if I needed to. With the springs I have now I couldn't even put my stock tires in the back of my element to go home, I had to get my dad to come pick them up. The guy put them in and took a drive around the parking lot and it was rubbing on every little dip. I just love the tight wheel well look, so sporty! And the thing corners like nothing I've ever driven before! But without doing this spring upgrade and shock rebuild I couldn't even carry another passenger, ridiculous!

rymo926....No need to worry about what they state on the website. These guys are legit and are a top notch company!!! If you are having doubts I would suggest calling them and voicing your issues. They will answer you questions with no issues at all. Like I mentioned before these guys do custom setups along with the kits. When I ordered my kit for my Civic I customized the setup with different spring rates, though it still was a kit at the same price. Cal them and you will feel a lot better. You can even order directly from there to ensure you get EXACTLY what you want.

John

Burn619....Your issues are likely due to the offset and width of your rims and tires. Going to a stiffer rate to ensure you wont rub will make the ride awefull. I think the only way you will solve your issue would be by raising you ride height or switch to a different width/offset rim. I really dont think the stiffer rates are going to help much. They will only drain your pockets! I have a race Civic so I bought my E for most comfort and some style. As much as I would like to dump my E I keep reminding myself how much I like the ride in the E over my kidney shaker;).

John

Yeah, I'm prepared for a little rougher ride. I just love the look I have right now, and I'm hoping the 400kg won't be too stiff. I was told that the 800kg springs would be like a truck, so the 400kg should be stiff to keep the travel down but not too stiff, I'm hoping.

reviving an old thread vs a new one...I finally decided to go forth with the GC mate to stock shocks. my idea is that most people go tein basic after is because their shock blown and it's cheaper just to upgrade. so my question is if i don't lower it, so the shock is at full extension, will i need to upgrade in a year.

thanks

If you leave the E at the stock height you should not have any issues with the shocks at all.

John

Thanks, that was kind of my theory. That a stiffer spring might make the shock take harsher hits, but it would have full movement vs. Only half. And beside the spring were meant to work with stock shocks anyways.

Now for the mystery Q, will this increase the chance of a roll over?

Like you said the shock will have to work a bit harder with the stiffer spring, though the kit is not that much stiffer so you should be OK especially at the stock height.

As far as the roll over goes why would you think there would be more of a chance with the new springs? If anything I would think there would be less since they are stiffer and dont promote as much body roll?

John

Yea that was 1st thought that the tires would slip 1st, and the car is more peridictculer(sp?) to the road........but if it grips....weight is transfer faster than I can say damn...bam...the inner wheel is lifted...bam...I'm on my side thinking if I spilled my coffee.

But most likely it's just gunna slip, haha

here's what i'm getting.

1)i've played with springs before and i assume that once the car is on the ground it should be at stock height(looks short to me).
2)it looks like it is set at 2" lowered, so 1) must be true or else it was lowered like 3-4"(just making sure)
3)is it missing the strut mounts?

4)very excited but scared at the same time

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2086000-2086999/2086375_46_full.jpg

Did you buy the kit used with the shocks?

As far as the ride height goes you really need to mount them onto the E to set that up. The spring lengths are completely variable from Ground Control which confuses the height settings some. What you do is get them on your E and then set the ride height to where you want it. That it the only way to really set them. Oh and make sure you measure a good reference point on the E on a level surface so you can determine how low it is. I like to measure from the jack mounts on the inside of the tires on the left and right side.

John

I think you mean the top hats right? You need to use the ones from your current shock set or hit a junkyard for a used set.

John

Soooo, I meet the guy(nice guy) from this board. The guy with the red rear contol arms. And GC lied. It can't go to stock height. Something like at gc highest is tein's lowest(almost). Oh well.

So fyi, you want it slam-gc baby

Rymo...Im am sorry, but that info is not correct. What I have explained on the board here before that Ground Control uses a 2.5 inch spring that is provided by Eibach. Those springs are used by the whole range of Ground Control products. In theory depending on what size spring you use you could sit the E on the ground or make it a 4x4. It just depends on what length spring is used. If you look on the Ground Control site you will see that you can get a 2.5 inch spring that is 1.75 inches up to 14 inches These kits are technically available with any spring length you want. The standard kit uses the springs listed below. I hope that clears up the issues with the ride heights.

Available 2.5 Springs
http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/category.php/CA=31

Springs in the kit:
Front - 7inch/2.5ID/400lb
Rear - 6inch/2.5ID/525lb

John

Was that your set of Ground Controls in that picture you posted? The sleeves look different than in the GC pic on the website.

John

1st I want to say thanks, I didn't get it. But it looks like the kit made for the element. And he bought it as a element kit. And the kit said 0" is possible.

Maybe someone with the kit and different results chime in.

Btw, the guy wanted want I wanted(adjustablity) and ground control was rude to him and didn't fix the problem but instead that it is correct and that's that.

Rymo, give them a call and ask these questions about the kit. You will see that they will answer you questions fully. Those guys are a nice bunch. I have called asking about spring rates...etc and they have always been very helpfull.

(530) 677-8600

John