I also posted this in the camping section. For those of us who camp with our dogs (anyone here camping with other pets?), it could be useful to have a thread in the pet section for pet-specific camping gear and issues. So here we go. I'll give further thought to other issues I've had with camping with Gidget and solutions that have worked well for me. This is one I'm perhaps most excited with because I've been vexed by it for a couple years. From a beach towel on the ground, to this:


Especially for Dog-owning (or is that "owned?") Campers --


For quite a long time, I have been looking for an elevated dog bed/cot that would be suitable for camping: 1) easily transportable; 2) sturdy; 3) taut fabric so it won't sag much; 4) a flat surface which is what Gidget prefers so she can lie flat and hang her paws over the edge.

Surprisingly difficult to find for a reasonable price. Indeed, there has been no "dog cot" that I've been very impressed with, at any price! (upwards of $50 and even over $100) Coleman has "The Bone Lounger" which is appealing in every aspect, except that it's not a flat surface. Most of the cots I saw were made of PVC pipe --bulky to transport and tedious setup.

This morning I was surfing the 'net in search of one, again, and was struck, finally, by such an obvious solution: a child's camp cot! I had recently bought a camp cot for myself and was amazed at how sturdy and taut it is (to the point that it's very, very hard to assemble until the cot fabric stretches a bit). Soon as I put my cot together, Gidget jumped on it with her bone and made herself comfortably at home.

So I went to the source of the cot I bought for myself ( www.cabelas.com (http://www.cabelas.com/) ) and found for Gidget (a Samoyed), this "Youth Big Grizzly" cot, for $35

It sits 7" off the ground and is 21"x51" and has a weight capacity of 150 lbs. It folds down to 7.5"x28"x4" and weighs 3.5 pounds.

During the day, it will sit out in the campsite, giving her a nice perch and keeping her lovely white fur off the dirt and some distance from ticks and other creepy crawlies. At night, she can use it in the tent.

I am confident this is the perfect -- and perfectly cheap -- solution to making Gidget more comfortable and at the same time saving me some grooming.

This was so obvious, but took me over a year of comparing inferior dog-specific products to figure out. :rolleyes:

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Here's the camping pup in question: Gidget, a 4 1/2 year old Samoyed. These pics are from Shenandoah National Park last summer.

TITANIUM CUP


Among my first additional recs that comes to mind, because it's in one of the Gidget pics below, is this titanium cup. It's priceless for hiking. Weighs 1.6 ounces and hangs from a carabiner either from my pack or from Gidget's (if she's carrying one that day).

REI, Hudson Trail Outfitters -- and other backpacker sources -- carry them.

Evernew Titanium Sierra Style Cup

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DOG PACK


My favorite of Gidget's packs is this Kelty that I got at REI years ago. Holds her treats/food, poop bags, health record (proof of rabies being most important). Her titanium drinking cup clips on it via a small carabiner. A bear bell is attached when hiking in the Shenandoahs. The leash hooks to the pack.

She does not carry this when it's real hot and humid. I never have her carrying much weight -- maybe a pound or two.

FYI -- Samoyeds earning points toward their "Working" championship must start the hike carrying the equivalent of 25% of their weight -- generally from 10 to 15 pounds. Most of their owners that I know of have them carry water bottles so that the weight is removed as the hike (and water comsumption) proceeds. Carrying water bottles requires a much bigger pack than this Kelty.

NEEDLESS TO SAY -- BUT I'LL SAY IT ANYWAY -- THE DOG SHOULD BE PHYSICALLY FIT BEFORE CARRYING ANY WEIGHT ON THEIR BACK. Dogs should be fully grown and at least one year old before carrying any weight on their back.

Excellent dog hiking packs and gear also available at http://www.wolfpacks.com/ (also the source of the wolf paw decals I have on my E's windows)

In the bottom pic, that's Gidget and a friend at Mt. Hood, in July.


Kelty Chuck Wagon Dog Pack - Medium

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CAMP WATER BOWL

You can get these stainless water buckets at any pet store, for a few bucks. A cheap source (and excellent online pet store) is www.carealotpets.com (http://www.carealotpets.com) Since I'm often camped a ways from a water spigot, I like to fill up a fairly large bucket just for Gidg.

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Travel Water Bottle for Dogs

These are fantastic and well worth the $7. I have a few. They are designed so that you can drink out of the straw yourself and use the straw to fill up the cup on top for your dog to drink out of.

In practice, I don't drink from it because I pour what Gidget doesn't drink back into the bottle. Love Gidg, but not her backwash. :)

Keep one in my car at all times. I always carry one when Gidget makes her rounds at the hospital as a therapy dog. Some of the rooms are kept warm and she gets a workout jumping up on the beds and playing with everyone. A bonus is that the kids get a kick out of filling the cup and holding the bottle while Gidget drinks out of it.

Highly recommended. REI carries them as do many other places. To carry the bottle I use an Outward Hound shoulder carrier. To keep the straw sanitary, I use a Camelback cleaning brush -- fits perfectly.

Cool Pooch Water Bottle

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Here's ATOLL's outside 'napper'! Haven't taken it camping yet, but should fit in the "E" nicely, with camping things under and on top. The price was right too... FREE. A neighbor was throwing this 'Child Tramp' out (believe they had a safety recall), and I thought it might help ATOLL's summer skin condition, by keeping him off the ground/dirt a bit. He still gets in the cool dirt, but uses the Tramp also. Should be easy to fix/maintain since it has no 'springs' (uses bungee cord) and the pads can be easily recovered as they 'weather'.
He also has his own 'tent'; a small child's (GI Joe) indoor play tent, that he can get some shade/nap during the day. At night he sleeps in the big tent (naturally)!

Here's ATOLL's outside 'napper'! Haven't taken it camping yet, but should fit in the "E" nicely, with camping things under and on top. The price was right too... FREE. A neighbor was throwing this 'Child Tramp' out (believe they had a safety recall), and I thought it might help ATOLL's summer skin condition, by keeping him off the ground/dirt a bit. He still gets in the cool dirt, but uses the Tramp also. Should be easy to fix/maintain since it has no 'springs' (uses bungee cord) and the pads can be easily recovered as they 'weather'.
He also has his own 'tent'; a small child's (GI Joe) indoor play tent, that he can get some shade/nap during the day. At night he sleeps in the big tent (naturally)!

Brilliant!!! :)

I've been looking at dog tents for awhile, too. Am keeping an eye out for some supercheap little backpack tent. Something that's mostly mesh would be great for Gidget -- she could see out of it on all sides and get cross-breezes.

Brilliant!!! :)

I've been looking at dog tents for awhile, too. Am keeping an eye out for some supercheap little backpack tent. Something that's mostly mesh would be great for Gidget -- she could see out of it on all sides and get cross-breezes.
If you don't need an 'all-weather' protective tent, the kid's tent is fine for good weather and shade (I just stake down the 4 corners) Even has a vinyl waterproof floor. Easy up, and stores very small. For 'windows' and air flow, just get some mosquito netting, binding tape, and sew your windows; place them where you want them on the tent, sew them on; cut the old nylon out (inside the tent), fold edges under, sew to binding tape edges; = a windowed, breezy tent. Or leave the 'window flap' (cut the window sides and bottom)and put velcro patches on the corners and have the 'windows' open only when needed. (may have to do it for this next summer).
Thanks HK!

sew them on

I don't sew. :wink:

But thank you because others will benefit from the guidance.

I'll have to go with pre-fab.

:)

My dog is only 15 lbs. His camping bed is a fleece covered pillow and homemade hardboard frame about the size of an 8gal plastic storage box. On the road this is bolted to my cargo platform. In camp it is set on the front passenger seat, using a wedge piece of foam to level things out. If I am concerned about bears I can stack one or two kitchen boxes on the seat first.

His 'sleeping bag' is a fleece bag intended for use in a baby carrier.

His drinking dish is little plastic dish that once had pate in it. On the trail it will fold down the sides of plastic baggie and pour the water in it.

paulj

His drinking dish is little plastic dish that once had pate in it.



:-P :-P :-P

What a doll!


I'm wondering about this...

"If I am concerned about bears I can stack one or two kitchen boxes on the seat first."

:confused:

That is, I store the food and kitchen gear inside the Element, rather than leave it outside on the table. Other times I have put those boxes on the roof rack. Note in the picture the dog is at front window level, on top of this stack of boxes.

However as far as I know we have never had an ursine visitor in camp. Coons, of course, and a couple of porcupines (with a taste for mud flaps).

paulj

HANDS-FREE DOG HIKING/WALKING

When Gidget was a puppy, I tore ligaments in one of my knees. To make doubly sure she did not ever get away from me back when I could hardly walk, let alone run, I bought one of these -- a padded hip belt which the leash attaches to via a carabiner (it comes with a lightweight carabiner and I added my own heavy-duty one).

That was four years ago, my knee healed and I've never stopped using the belt. Hands-free walking/hiking is so much better than hanging onto a leash all the time. Safer for her, better for me. Highly recommended. This heavy-duty one below is $36.

You can find excellent, silky-soft leashes and collars at www.whitepineoutfitters.com (http://www.whitepineoutfitters.com)

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For hiking, I'm also a big fan of this harness which sells for $23.50. Gidget has two: blaze orange and forest green.

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I don't sew. :wink:

But thank you because others will benefit from the guidance.

I'll have to go with pre-fab.

:)
Hey, find a boyfriend/girlfriend that does. Its easy, one of my 'jobs' in the military was parachute rigger (also for the FAA), even an old over-50 guy can do it. Don't make clothes though, but it does come in handy for making/repairing camping gear.
Roger W.

DOG TRAILER

A solution to an as-of-yet non-problem: what to do when Gidget becomes too old to pull me on my bike. I don't own this, yet. Need a better color option. REI is carrying this.

Croozer Dog Trailer

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Hey, find a boyfriend/girlfriend that does. Its easy, one of my 'jobs' in the military was parachute rigger (also for the FAA), even an old over-50 guy can do it. Don't make clothes though, but it does come in handy for making/repairing camping gear.
Roger W.

Nana tried in vain when I was young to teach me to even successfully sew a button. And somewhere in some landfill in California is half a slipper I knitted as a kid.

Instead of hanging Saddam Hussein, they could have offered him a jump using a parachute I sewed.

:)

DOG TRAILER

A solution to an as-of-yet non-problem: what to do when Gidget becomes too old to pull me on my bike. I don't own this, yet. Need a better color option. REI is carrying this.

Croozer Dog Trailer

$250.00 Item 751977 http://images.rei.com/media/997516.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:myGoto(largeHeroImgLink);)
I'm thinking more along these lines:.......(even have an electric power option [for when I get 'older'])
Right now I think it will fit inside the "E" with the rear seats removed; If I can get 'American Tricruiser' to make it 2" narrower, I won't have to remove the rear seats, just fold them up.

I'm thinking more along these lines:.......(even have an electric power option [for when I get 'older'])
Right now I think it will fit inside the "E" with the rear seats removed; If I can get 'American Tricruiser' to make it 2" narrower, I won't have to remove the rear seats, just fold them up.

Interesting contraption. But I'd have to wear a rain hat with Gidget's head over mine like that.

:)

Great thread, thanks! We also went with the cot idea for the dogs, but got a regular person size to hold both dogs. We put their dog beds on it and they can see out the SUV tent windows when it's time to secure 'em in there. My other half sleeps on the XL cot that's more sturdy (http://www.amazon.com/ALPS-Alps-Mountaineering-XL-Cot/dp/B000AOVB90), and I'm in the back of the E on an air mattress. Life is grand, and the pups are happy that we're all together! (I can't find a link to the other cot, but we got 'em at Sportsman's Warehouse on their grand opening coupons last year. It is one that has all those legs on the bottom and just pulls out to expand.)

Okay, actually we only set it up this way once, then broke camp and bolted for home when one of us got sick ... but the dogs were up on their cot in the meanwhile and appeared to like it! There was enough room between the two cots for passage in and out of the E/tent, and the cooler fits under the XL cot.

I agree with Junebug, this is a great thread..........
I thought I spoiled my 2 until I read this, Hikerchick, can I come back as one of your dogs?

I agree with Junebug, this is a great thread..........
I thought I spoiled my 2 until I read this, Hikerchick, can I come back as one of your dogs?


Sure, if you would enjoy pulling me on my mountain bike! Could use some extra dogpower -- Gidget tops out at 18mph.

:)

On that note, what color harness would you like?

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This harness is great for scootering, roller blading, bikejoring or any other "Urban" mushing!

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A worthy thread, good job HikerChick.

So many are not worth reading......

jurn

For us, camp gear includes a mountain bike, shock-corded gangline and padded harness. First snow of the season today! Unfortunately, it won't be much. Great run on the Mall.

For us, camp gear includes a mountain bike, shock-corded gangline and padded harness. First snow of the season today! Unfortunately, it won't be much. Great run on the Mall.

HC: what kind of harness do you recommend for driving Gidget around? I'm referring to the type that connect to the seatbelt. Thanks.

HC: what kind of harness do you recommend for driving Gidget around? I'm referring to the type that connect to the seatbelt. Thanks.

RD - I don't have a rec for the seatbelt. For roadtrips I'll put her in a harness and leash that to one of the rear tie down loops.

Wow, am I glad I found this thread! :D
This is one of the reasons I so decided on an E -- my Shetland Sheepdog, Chelsea, goes every where with me, I wanted to travel since I retired, and motels can be costly and not pet friendly -- therefore DudE will be our home away from home! Shenandoah in the fall is one of my planned trips -- probably not hiking much but definitely leaf peeking!:cool:
I have Nordic walking poles and have 'jerry-rigged' Chelsea's leash holder so I can have both hands/arms free. The link Gidget's mom provided looks just the thing!
Chelsea has a seat belt harness we use in current car, but I am planning on getting the harness that has the 'tether' and will be hooking her into either seat or wall anchors. That way she can still 'wander,' look out the windows, and stay close to Mom. Shelties are very much 'velcro' dogs!
Our first trip in DudE will be to go to a herding seminar in IN the middle of March! She's never been so that should be an adventure fro her (and me!)
I look forward to much more Show n Tell sharing from fellow E, dog & camping enthusiasts.:-D

Wow, am I glad I found this thread! :D
This is one of the reasons I so decided on an E -- my Shetland Sheepdog, Chelsea, goes every where with me, I wanted to travel since I retired, and motels can be costly and not pet friendly -- therefore DudE will be our home away from home! Shenandoah in the fall is one of my planned trips -- probably not hiking much but definitely leaf peeking!:cool:
I have Nordic walking poles and have 'jerry-rigged' Chelsea's leash holder so I can have both hands/arms free. The link Gidget's mom provided looks just the thing!
Chelsea has a seat belt harness we use in current car, but I am planning on getting the harness that has the 'tether' and will be hooking her into either seat or wall anchors. That way she can still 'wander,' look out the windows, and stay close to Mom. Shelties are very much 'velcro' dogs!
Our first trip in DudE will be to go to a herding seminar in IN the middle of March! She's never been so that should be an adventure fro her (and me!)
I look forward to much more Show n Tell sharing from fellow E, dog & camping enthusiasts.:-D
Andrea -- great to have another camper aboard! :) You'll love Shenandoah National Park (SNP) in the fall. Count on the 1st-3rd weeks of October for peak leaves color. I've camped there from April-November and it's great in all those months. Even in July, we need fleece in the evenings so the natural air conditioning is a wonderful respite from DC's summer humidity (and crowds).

In the park, I highly recommend Big Meadows Campground. You can't reserve a specific campsite but you can preference what you'd like when you make an on-line reservation. Ask for a spot on Loop "E," adjacent to the Appalachian Trail. (Loop "E" should be easy to remember... ) The day you arrive the Rangers make campsite assignments based on availability and stated preferences and have nearly always accomodated me on the E Loop. They are very kind.

The mountain drops off from the AT/E Loop so it's a lovely spot. As you get closer to making a reservation (recommend doing so at least 4-6 weeks before a Fall leaves trek), I'd be pleased to look over the campground map and suggest specific campsites.

If you don't want to rough it too terribly much then Big Meadows is a very nice choice. There are enough bathrooms that it's not too far a trek from any campsite. The showers are well maintained (5 minutes of hot water for 4 quarters), there is a laundry facility near the showers as well as firewood by the bundle.

With a Shetland Sheepdog you must be used to meeting a lot of admiring strangers and Big Meadows will be no exception. Definately not a campground for the anti-social, nor dog haters (Shenandoah must be about the dog-friendliest national park in America -- as dogs are allowed on the vast majority of hiking trails, too).

There's a campstore that's very well stocked with basic food items (including wine and beer) and quite an impressive stock of camping supplies . The little restaurant next to the campstore serves good southern food for breakfast-lunch-dinner and the restaurant at Big Meadows Lodge is a bit more upscale in a very nice setting. (The Lodge happens to have excellent takeout pizza, too).

You'll see a lot of deer, very possible a bear or two and hopefully not but perhaps: a skunk!

http://www.nps.gov/shen/planyourvisit/campgrounds.htm


And if you're interested in going back home a different way, an hour and a half or so south and west of Shenandoah N.P. is one of the consistently top ranked (Top 10) state parks in the nation: Douthat State Park

Virginia has a terrific state park system. Exceptionally dog-friendly. Dogs are even allowed in the cabins (for just $5 a night!). Check out Douthat's log cabins, built by the CCC in the 1930s and a real deal (they have efficiencies, 1 and 2 bedrooms). I can recommend specific cabins, too.

Douthat's Campground "A" is right on Douthat Lake -- a very, very popular spot with fishermen (and women). Douthat's water is crystal clear and delightfully peaceful as motorboats are outlawed. Canoes and rowboats can be rented. There's a gentle hiking trail along the lake.

And for any mountain bikers reading this: most of Douthat's 40 miles of hiking trails are open to mountain bikers!

http://www.state.va.us/dcr/parks/douthat.htm

Didn't mean to go on for so long. But I do like to share camping recs!

:D

Thanks Hiker Chick for all the great advice. . Shenandoah sounds so nice we may not make it further NE (save that for another trip!). I will definitely be emailing you when it is closer to the time I will be going. October in Virginia sounds like a great trip! :cool:
Yes, I am very used to Oohs and Aahs over Chelsea - she is a "big" girl @ 16" and is a bi-black so most folks think she's a border collie - but she's Sheltie through and through. :wink: She's very social, especially for a Sheltie, so should do well in a campground. Do tell me about this Bear Bell you have Gidget wear? Will I need one too?:-P I'd make a tasty fall treat for a bear! Lots of adipose! :rolleyes:
I also saw this question on another thread but with Gidget having a 'double coat' like Chelsea perhaps you know if mosquito bites are a problem in the Park?:???: I use Frontline Plus as monthly preventive. . . do you suggest something in addition? I may ask on my Sheltie yahoo groups I belong to also as Shelties sometimes have 'issues' with their skin! :sad: In the past we haven't been out and about much as I was working full time - but now?? We are off and running! (well :| really a fairly slow paced meander! But we're working on it!!)
Again, thanks for the great thread!

I have another question -- I'm not technological challenged (much:rolleyes: ) but -- as I will be traveling alone w/ Chelsea, and I have two grown daughters who are not real thrilled about Mom of the Elderment running around in the "wilderness" by herself & they do not consider Chelsea a guard dog (I so missed The Memo that reversed our roles! :oops:). . . which leads me to my question -- Although my cell has GPS locator built in - is there a more reliable gismo on the market that I and/or Chelsea can wear so if anything 'happens' (Heaven forbid!) I can be located by SAR?

Although my cell has GPS locator built in - is there a more reliable gismo on the market that I and/or Chelsea can wear so if anything 'happens' (Heaven forbid!) I can be located by SAR?
Don't know about a better SAR locator, but If you are going into the woods with your cell, I'd be sure to take a spare 'charged' battery or one of these:
http://turbocellcharge.com/v2/?gclid=CJrBna2G94kCFRUPVAod4yiMVQ
A dead battery in a cell phone won't help much.
Roger W.

Thanks for the link, rogwild. I think that will work better for me then the car charger I'd planned on getting. The charger the cell phone came with has worked fine so far but did need a portable way of keeping cell charged as you are so right that a dead cell is no help at all - no matter where I roam!8-)

I also saw this question on another thread but with Gidget having a 'double coat' like Chelsea perhaps you know if mosquito bites are a problem in the Park?:???: I use Frontline Plus as monthly preventive. . . do you suggest something in addition?

Big Meadows Campground is at 3700-foot elevation. Supposedly mosquitoes cease being a big issue at 2500 feet, which is why President Herbert Hoover build Rapidan Camp (aka: "Camp Hoover" -- a Camp David predecessor) above that elevation near Big Meadows (by the way, a nice hike).

The worst mosquitoes I encounter are in DC. Here they can be bad, real bad. :neutral:

You should be more than fine with Frontline.

I have another question -- I'm not technological challenged (much:rolleyes: ) but -- as I will be traveling alone w/ Chelsea, and I have two grown daughters who are not real thrilled about Mom of the Elderment running around in the "wilderness" by herself & they do not consider Chelsea a guard dog (I so missed The Memo that reversed our roles! :oops:). . . which leads me to my question -- Although my cell has GPS locator built in - is there a more reliable gismo on the market that I and/or Chelsea can wear so if anything 'happens' (Heaven forbid!) I can be located by SAR?

It is extremely important that if you are going hiking alone -- no matter how far (such as from Big Meadows Campground to Big Meadows Lodge) -- you take the time to place a note on the dashboard of your car saying where you are going, via what trail(s) and the date/day of the week/time of when you leave and when you expect to return. At a trailhead, I'd put that note facedown and write ITINERARY on the flipside so some stranger thinking about breaking into your car did not know when you were returning. At the campground I'd put it face up.

And obviously if you have a cell signal you should call your daughter, or someone, and let them know and tell them you'll call when you get back to the car. If you don't call, then they can worry and call authorities.

You need to carry this - Bear Spray. REI carries it and I carry mine at all times on the trail (and it's on my nightstand at home). REI carries a holster that fits nicely on the hipbelt of your backpack (or the hands-free leash belt I posted earlier in this thread). Designed to ward off Grizzlies, it's great protection from black bears and -- more importantly -- humans.


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Bear Bell ($3 at REI)

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Supposedly this is the lightest Personal Locater Beacon available. At REI.

ACR Electronics Terrafix 406 GPS I Personal Locator Beacon

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Hiker Chick -
Thanks for being so patient with this aging 'newbie' - I did Google search on the SAR PLBs and decided that since I was not going to be true 'wilderness' hiking or camping that the cost was a bit prohibitive. I'll stick with my cell GPS and the common sense suggestions you made! And how lost can I get going for pizza from my campsite? :lol: All this talk of camping is making me very anxious for our 8 inches of snow and more falling, to be gone so I can hit the road!

BTW - The last time I was in DC was in the end of March '98 -- we accidentally hit peak cherry blossom day when my oldest grandguy and I came in by train from Manassas to visit the VN Memorial. Quite a day for us Midwesterners!:)

BTW - The last time I was in DC was in the end of March '98 -- we accidentally hit peak cherry blossom day when my oldest grandguy and I came in by train from Manassas to visit the VN Memorial. Quite a day for us Midwesterners!:)
Good thing you weren't visiting by car --- it's gridlock during peak blossoms!

:-o

Something else that occurs to me -- you should definately carry one of these.

All Weather Safety Whistle Storm Whistle

$5.50 Item 407280 t http://a1072.g.akamai.net/f/1072/2062/1d/gallery.rei.com/media/407280Prd.jpg (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:myGoto%28largeHeroImgLink%29;)

Yes, those whistles are nice, loud, & and a real attention getter. Also a small mirror (glass or metal) is good for signaling aircraft on a sunny day. I use the easy; two-finger "V" method of sighting. Shine the reflected light on your two fingers in a "V" shape, keep the plane between your two fingers.
Great tips.

Here's another handy, low-cost survival item:

http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/images%20for%20pages/survival-bandana-300x300.jpg (http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/survival_bandana.htm)

Here's another handy, low-cost survival item:

http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/images%20for%20pages/survival-bandana-300x300.jpg (http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/survival_bandana.htm)


Ramblerdan, thanks for posting this. I went to their site and ordered several. Will keep in my car and packs and am sending a couple out to my sister in Oregon.

I already carry in my car and pack, bandanas inscripted with First Aid instructions. And one with knot-tying instruction.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/preparednesscenter_1935_19197555http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifPrinted First Aid Facts Bandana



Whether you are taking a short day hike, or a long backpacking trip, it is essential that you know first aid, in a pinch you just might be wearing a first aid facts bandana that has guidelines for such topics as hypothermia, heat exhaustion, fractures, shock, high altitude sickness, wounds, insects, snakes, and more.

Size: 22" x 22"
Color: Red & White
http://store.preparedness.com/prfiaidfaba.html


:)

Hi again!
I too appreciated the bandana idea(s) and will be adding those to my ever getting longer "wish" list for traveling/camping with Chelsea and the E (tentatively named DottE). Which leads me to another question. :confused:

On another group a question was asked about dog harness. I had pretty much decided on a PetBuckle system (sold by PetSmart) but found the Champion restraint system (only about $5 difference in price) which I think I like better.
What do you folks use to "restrain" your dogs while on the way to the campsite?

And if you don't restrain - I'd suggest watching the crash test video on the PetBuckle site! Icky!:shock: :shock:
Thanks!

On another group a question was asked about dog harness. I had pretty much decided on a PetBuckle system (sold by PetSmart) but found the Champion restraint system (only about $5 difference in price) which I think I like better.
What do you folks use to "restrain" your dogs while on the way to the campsite?

We use the Comfort Ride Travelin' Dog Car Harness (http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444177 9741&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302032887&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023689&bmUID=1170021749562&itemNo=0&In=Dog&N=2032887&Ne=2)for everyone but Boomer - our Saint. They don't come large enough for him. We had to use a Easy Rider Car Harness (http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444177 8123&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302032887&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023689&bmUID=1170021749569&itemNo=2&In=Dog&N=2032887&Ne=2). Both seem to work very well - although we haven't fully tested them if you know what I mean.

Just returned from my three week camping trip in the Elderment (formly known as DudE). As you can see, Chelsea really enjoyed herself! FL was great and really was comfy in the Element. Kept closed in cooler weather and put the midsize SUV tent on the back on warmer nights.

I don't have any new tips for camping with dogs - I made sure she had a 6 ft leash and did take her medical records (immunizations) with me. . "just in case." Chelsea stayed @ safe Harbor Day Care (they are a nokill shelter) when I was attending my Cardinal games!

Am anxious to head off again -- we had such a wonderful time!

DOG TRAILER

A solution to an as-of-yet non-problem: what to do when Gidget becomes too old to pull me on my bike. I don't own this, yet. Need a better color option. REI is carrying this.
Croozer Dog Trailer $250.00
Great idea!
Another suggestion for those who may not be able to afford the Croozer might be one of these. I bought this the end of the year when the store was clearing summer stuff out. Only paid like $80 for it. Still there only around $100 off sale. As you can see it's made for a child but should be easily converted for a dog. It's on my "to do" list... LOL

We used to hike a lot with our dogs but unfortunately age and medical problems no longer allow it.
But I can't wait to take "Kermit" (my E) on occasional camping and animal rescue trips. It would have been perfect to have after Katrina in New Orleans. Sleeping in a friend's Suburban was extremely uncomfortable.

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It is extremely important that if you are going hiking alone -- no matter how far (such as from Big Meadows Campground to Big Meadows Lodge) -- you take the time to place a note on the dashboard of your car saying where you are going, via what trail(s) and the date/day of the week/time of when you leave and when you expect to return. At a trailhead, I'd put that note facedown and write ITINERARY on the flipside so some stranger thinking about breaking into your car did not know when you were returning. At the campground I'd put it face up.

And obviously if you have a cell signal you should call your daughter, or someone, and let them know and tell them you'll call when you get back to the car. If you don't call, then they can worry and call authorities.

Bear Bell ($3 at REI)

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I totally agree with you on the note leaving in the car. That kind of thing would have helped so many hikers out.

As to the bear bell..(I simply had to post this) :D

The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear's sensitive nose and it will run away.
It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

As to the bear bell..(I simply had to post this) :D

Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.


That is hysterical!

:-P

Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.
Could you please give a warning next time.... LOL
I had a mouth full of soda as I was reading this until I got to the end at which time said soda came out my nose from laughter. :-D

Indeed - great thread!

A couple things I would add here, the Ruff Wear (http://www.ruffwear.com) stuff is a great line. You can find it at REI generally.

For the record, I have a large doggy - a female large 80-90 lb Doberman/German Shepard mix named 'Attila the Hound'. She's loyal as can be and protected my campsite from countless squirrels and birds.

I have been using the dog bowls for years and they are fantastic. They pack down really small and are super light and easy to strap to a backpack. I have two, one for food (smaller) and one for water (larger). Both of mine cinch down, which I find useful for the food to store it in a tub or something overnight while camping, and also for the water to just make it easier to carry if you have something in the other hand. In the car they are PERFECT as they don't spill or move around. , and she likes the water :-)

http://www.ruffwear.com/Products/dog_bowls

http://www.ruffwear.com/site/display/TCY_500.jpg

Next up is dog booties. I don't take Attila mountain biking as much anymore as she is getting old and has developed a bad knee (I can't believe I am saying this, but probably from biking?). She has been spoiled and been on many great trails - after a while her paws will get raw if I don't have booties on her. These are also great in town on the hot pavement or on the hot sand. Good to have if you need them.

http://www.ruffwear.com/Products/dog_boots

http://www.ruffwear.com/site/display/DGR_R_leg_500.jpg

Another from Ruff Wear that I use is the doggy bed. It packs down nice and tight (I love stuff like that), has a sturdy bottom liner and nice comfortable fleece top. I use this in the car while traveling or when I stay with a friend and she needs a place like home :-) For actual camping, this is one of a few other options depending on how we are setup that trip.

http://www.ruffwear.com/Mt-Bachelor-Pad-trade

http://www.ruffwear.com/site/display/MPR_500.jpg

They also have a variety of leaches. I have a basic one right now, only because I hadn't seen them all until I posted this :D. But they also unclip and wrap around your body so that you can walk them hands-free. I use it every time we walk.

http://www.ruffwear.com/Products/dog_leashes

And no... I don't work for Ruff Wear :-) But I love their stuff.

Here is a friends dog that was using the booties one trip after she injured her paws (I can't remember doing what).

And here are a couple of Attila in her "element" (all old, pre-Element).

Note the booties in the desert :) - that was Moab, UT.

This is a great thread. It's giving me alot of good suggestions. I'm thinking about taking Heidi on her first camping trip.:)

Oh my ... Attila reminds of my old dog Sadie, she was dobie/lab. It's been about 8 yrs. and I still miss that dog.

As for camping with the little ones, I've got it pretty good. A 35 ft. travel trailer on 2 acres in the Moses Coulee Canyon in eastern Washingtom state.

Harley's problem is he likes to chase the bunnies. Don't worry I don't think that they are the endangered pygmy bunnies they released in Sagebrush Flats. I hope not !!!!

I've gotten him a bell to wear so I can hear where he is and getting a lighted collar for next summer.

What I need is some kind of reverse halter, he really tears up his chest on the rocks. Anybody get any ideas?

Great pics, DRC!

Gidget has a couple sets of booties. Takes me 40 minutes to get them on her and her about 90 seconds and half a block to get them off.

:razz:

I'd like her to wear them when the sidewalks and streets are salted after snowstorms.

Let me preface my post by stating that I am not yet an element owner. As soon as my Subaru lease runs out in February, my first stop is my local Honda dealership. With the addition of the pup to the essentials every time I head out.... my mind is totally set on an E.

I recently rescued my first dog, a german shorthaired pointer, from a local shelter. My wife and I do allot of hiking / backpacking / camping, and we could not have rescued a better companion. He has also had the illustrious job of testing quite a few of the products that are sold by the outdoor gear website that I work for. I am not going to throw out a shameless plug, but we stock many of the brands mentioned, and a few that have not been touched on, so feel free to pick my brain with any questions that you might have. I promise to by unbiased.

Something that I have found very helpful is http://www.recreation.gov/ for finding dog friendly campsites. I am not sure that it is across the board, but I have not found a listed site yet that does not allow pets. They all have state that dogs need to be on a leash, but I guess you have to expect that. Some places allow you to browse campground layouts and book sites ahead of time. (at least the ones that we frequent in PA)

Cause dog camping gear does not do any good if you cant find a place to use it.

Let me preface my post by stating that I am not yet an element owner. As soon as my Subaru lease runs out in February, my first stop is my local Honda dealership. With the addition of the pup to the essentials every time I head out.... my mind is totally set on an E.

I recently rescued my first dog, a german shorthaired pointer, from a local shelter. My wife and I do allot of hiking / backpacking / camping, and we could not have rescued a better companion. He has also had the illustrious job of testing quite a few of the products that are sold by the outdoor gear website that I work for. I am not going to throw out a shameless plug, but we stock many of the brands mentioned, and a few that have not been touched on, so feel free to pick my brain with any questions that you might have. I promise to by unbiased.

Something that I have found very helpful is http://www.recreation.gov/ for finding dog friendly campsites. I am not sure that it is across the board, but I have not found a listed site yet that does not allow pets. They all have state that dogs need to be on a leash, but I guess you have to expect that. Some places allow you to browse campground layouts and book sites ahead of time. (at least the ones that we frequent in PA)

Cause dog camping gear does not do any good if you cant find a place to use it.


You won't find many folks here who camp. Or love dogs. No siree.

:rolleyes:

You came to the right place.

Would these pants fit Gidget? :)
http://www.rei.com/product/754529

Would these pants fit Gidget? :)
http://www.rei.com/product/754529

Ha! Would've kept the burrs off her this weekend. Two pair to cover her 4 legs would be pricey!

;-)

http://www.k9topcoat.com/images/products/safety_vest.jpg
This is the most recent piece of gear that Hobbes (German Shorthaired Pointer.....not pictured) and I do not leave the house without. With the woods of PA filled with hunters and the prime trail running hours in the evening, the visibility and reflectivity is a much needed aide. www.k9topcoat.com (http://www.k9topcoat.com/pilot.asp) is the manufacturer and they make some other very interesting gear for canines. The fit is great. Their sizing tool is very unique and is more precise than small medium large. It is actually built off of the breed and weight of the dog, so it fits his "all ribcage and nothing else" build.

All in all..... money well spent.

I was browsing REI last night and found that the Outlet shop has the following Harness and Pack on sale for about $58.

http://media.rei.com/media/ii/d20420ea-be76-4881-a3eb-d50ab60f8567.jpg

* Stable, three-strap Spiderweb suspension system disperses loads evenly; mesh back helps keep dogs cool; fleece padding on straps prevents chafing
* Integrated hydration pockets assist load balancing; includes two collapsible water bladders with zippered access for easy dispensing with pack on
* Elliptically shaped saddle bags detach completely from harness to ease fitting, preliminary training, rest stops and water crossings
* Grab handle on back lets you assist your dog over obstacles
* Easily clip lead to attached D-ring on harness front—integrated pulling eye on rear of harness
* Load-stabilizing compression straps inside and out keep pack bags stable and allow extra gear to be attached
* Reflective trim increases dog's visibility in low light
* Sturdy 500-denier nylon shell and 1680-denier ballistic nylon trim on high wear areas ensure trail-tested durability
* Closeout

A video (http://www.ruffwear.com/Palisades-Pack-trade-II?sc=2&category=13) of the pack is available at the manufacturer's website.

The nice thing I noted was that the foundation of the pack is the Ruff Wear Spiderweb harness. The pack comes off the harness (without removing the harness from dog) and the harness can be used alone. Should make an excellent muti purpose set up. Just the harness when hiking and having fun, the whole set when he needs to haul stuff (and gets a bit older).

I've got to get one of these.

Great find, Boley -- thanks for the post!

I really like removable saddle bags. Gidget does, too.

:-D

hicker chick--thanks for starting this thread--i will have a lot to post for sure. i am a camp junkie, and when i start hauling out my gear i am also going to have lots of pichas for your other camping favorite things thread!

and gidget is so very very pretty in some of these shots. she looks like perfection. she is a real flirt for the camera i think

hicker chick--thanks for starting this thread--i will have a lot to post for sure. i am a camp junkie, and when i start hauling out my gear i am also going to have lots of pichas for your other camping favorite things thread!

and gidget is so very very pretty in some of these shots. she looks like perfection. she is a real flirt for the camera i think

Indeed, Gidget has a camera awareness. Hence one of her nicknames: Diva.

Just got the new Care a lot Pets catalogue and I'm mulling a kennel floor they have as something that could be nice in camp, especially in sites with lots of dead leaves and ticks that adhere to them.

I love all Ruffwear gear - I have their collapsable bowls, packs, beacons, leashes...etc.

The Palisades pack is my favorite since the bags can be removed without having to remove the entire harness. The harness is comfortable and adjusts perfectly. There are compression straps for the saddle bags and a handle on the harness in case the dog needs assistance.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/AMSbindi/animals/100_6940.jpg

Looks like a great pack, Denali - I like that setup, too.

And your pup looks pleased to be out hiking!!

:)

Cabela's is carrying a sleeping bag for dogs who are not blessed with Gidget's fur. Not recommended for dog owners cursed with Gidget's fur.

;-)


Coleman Hibernation™ Sleeping Bag for Dogs
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=catfeatds&id=0052563660270a&navCount=1&podId=0052563&parentId=cat20862&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20862&hasJS=true&hasJS=true
$17.99 - $34.99

Let sleeping dogs lie in this Coleman® ComfortSmart™ bag for dogs. ThermoTech® polyester fiber insulation provides your pet with warmth and comfort on camping and hunting trips. Features design elements that ensures convenient operation and prevents heat loss, like Zipper Glide™ for easier zipping. Also features a water-resistant bottom, sturdy cotton and cozy fleece. Convenient compression strap for dogs on the go. Available in four sizes. Machine washable.

Available: Small: 18" x 24". Weighs 2 lbs.
Medium: 26" x 34". Weighs 3.2 lbs.
Large: 32" x 42". Weighs 4 lbs.
Extra Large: 40" x 52". Weighs 5.2 lbs.

While I haven't started camping with the dogs yet, I love petedge.com for my supplies.

Here's a nice folding cot.

http://homeandkennel.petedge.com/Guardian-Gear-Camp-Canine-Travel-Beds-ZA691.pro?parentCategoryId=194&categoryId=224&subCategoryId=405

http://homeandkennel.petedge.com/assets/product_images/styles/medium/ZA691_230X230.JPG

I have owned a couple of dog packs in the past. What I found is that both packs I bought (can't even remember the brands, but they WEREN't CHEAP) caused abrasion on the front of the dogs shoulders which resulted in fur wear. Has anybody noticed this with the Kelty packs? I see REI now carries Kelty packs and they look pretty decent. I also like the looks of the Ruffwear pack that is pictured a few posts back--with the handle and also the cutouts at the pack where it goes over the dog's back. I always felt that my packs (which had solid cordura top sections) were likely too warm for the dogs. (At the time I was hiking with a golden retriever)

PS. I like the doggy sleeping bags--I sent doggy sleeping bags (Edie Bauer brand) to several of my pups this past Christmas--those ones whose owners had sent photos of them out camping the summer before. Yes, I spoil my babies....even after I sell them, they are always "mine".