Cargo Volume...is this a typo?? [Archive] - Honda Element Owners Club Forum

: Cargo Volume...is this a typo??


Espina
01-28-2007, 09:10 PM
...from the Honda Element specifications site: The cargo volume is listed as ~133 cft...

bh241
01-28-2007, 09:21 PM
no, that sounds about right.

the '06 specs say
2006 ELEMENT
2WD LX 4WD LX 2WD EX 4WD EX 2WD EX-P

Cargo Area Measurements (max. in., LxWxH)
66.7x38.7x46.0 66.7x38.7x47.6 66.7x38.7x46.0 66.7x38.7x47.6 66.7x38.7x46.0

EPA Interior Volume (cu. ft., maximum)
128.7 131.3 128.7 131.3 128.7

EPA Cargo Volume (cu. ft., maximum, rear seats removed)
133.2 135.7 133.2 135.7 133.2

EPA Passenger Volume (cu. ft., front/front and rear)
58.6/103.6 58.6/105.4 58.6/103.6 58.6/105.4 58.6/103.6

EPA Cargo Volume (cu. ft., rear seats down/up/removed)
25.1/70.1/74.6 26.0/72.7/77.1 25.1/70.1/74.6 26.0/72.7/77.1 25.1/70.1/74.6
there's a good bit of room in there.

Espina
01-28-2007, 09:30 PM
...I was looking at the top line versus the bottom line of the above specs/...Funny thing is I bought the Element based on the ~80 cft calculation, but when I loaded it up with things it seemed about twice that. Cool. Hence max volume is very close to that of most mini vans...

rhythm_ace
01-28-2007, 09:37 PM
@bh: How can the cargo volume EXCEED the interior volume? :confused:

Multiplying the first set of cargo dimensions (66.7x38.7x46.0), then dividing by (12x12x12) to convert from cubic inches to cubic feet, I get 68.7 cubic feet, which sounds more like it. On reflection, yeah, the back of the E is about six feet from tailgate to the back of the seats, and about 3.5 wide and 3.5 tall. Multiplied out that's about 60-70 cubic feet.

So the last set of numbers...up/down/removed...seem to be the appropriate figures. 133 is about double what it should be.

@Espina: Why does your chart start with two rows about cargo volume AND end with two more about cargo volume? I suspect the first two rows belong to something other than the E.

Bobman79
01-28-2007, 09:37 PM
...I was looking at the top line versus the bottom line of the above specs/...Funny thing is I bought the Element based on the ~80 cft calculation, but when I loaded it up with things it seemed about twice that. Cool. Hence max volume is very close to that of most mini vans...


Yep, except the E is WAAAAAAAAAAY cooler than a minivan. :D

bh241
01-28-2007, 09:45 PM
I think they are confusing terms...
The way I read the specs.... (I'm not a Honda Engineer so keep that in mind)

these seem to be the ENTIRE volume of the interior of the E
EPA Interior Volume (cu. ft., maximum)
EPA Cargo Volume (cu. ft., maximum, rear seats removed)

But these are the respective passenger and cargo volumes
EPA Passenger Volume (cu. ft., front/front and rear)
EPA Cargo Volume (cu. ft., rear seats down/up/removed)

The bottom, line is the "cargo" area would be the last set of numbers.

Can someone verify this? Is there a honda engineer in the house?

Espina
01-28-2007, 09:48 PM
...I came up with that number too, Ace. I thought that I was missing something.

rhythm_ace
01-28-2007, 09:50 PM
Link us to the site you got the numbers from?

bh241
01-28-2007, 09:55 PM
The way I see it is Honda is specking out the max area of the interior with the 133 figure. Not just the cargo area, but everything inside the E.

I agree it's not a realistic figure if you're looking for something to say haul 125 cf of something and decide to buy an E to haul it in.

Again, I'm not certain why they spec it that way, to me it's very misleading. But I do think they are talking about the total interior volume - front, back - everything with the 133 figure.

bh241
01-28-2007, 10:00 PM
Specs for the 2006 Honda Element

hondanews.com (http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2043?mid=2005092073286&mime=asc&archives=2006)

Espina
01-28-2007, 10:01 PM
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3 (Specifications Link for Ace. Click on 2007 Element Specifications)

...from the main menu page of this forum.

rhythm_ace
01-28-2007, 10:05 PM
I guess the next question is where they got the info....

Espina
01-28-2007, 10:09 PM
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2038?mid=2006080954352&mime=asc (I think this is it)

rhythm_ace
01-28-2007, 10:20 PM
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2038?mid=2006080954352&mime=asc (I think this is it)

Fascinating. WHY would the chart begin with cargo volume, then end with it as well?

I notice that if you take a passenger volume (58.6) and add it to a cargo volume (74.6), you CAN get 133.2. It's like if you renamed the first entries "Total Interior Volume" and then portioned it out for front passenger + cargo (both seats removed) as bh241 indicated. Wacky.