Going camping with my new Steel Tent. As in another thread I stated that once you threw down a mattress, there is no room to stow your gear. This is what I came up with. Going for a trial run next month so I will tell ya all how I made out.

I made it out of 36 feet of ABS tubing, Various T's, and 90 deg elbows. The Tubing was all glued and screwed except for the ones that hold the center supports to the side rails. This way you can still take it apart to store it when not in use.

I found that with a good Air mattress on top, futher center supports was not needed, especially since the plastic Tote boxes are as high as the frame. I left the center supports out of the back part to allow higher storage and easier access. The mattress is rigid enough that it does not fall through without the boxes, but the boxes do add extra support.

I have documented the lenghts of all the pieces, but have not scanned it yet. If you are interested, email me and when I get it done, I will send ya a copy....Happy Camping

...PookSter


http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/pookster_frame_01.jpg

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/pookster_frame_02.jpg
Sorry, no pics with the mattress yet but a Double Bed Mattress 54inches wide by 76 inches long by 6 inches high fits nicely

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/pookster_frame_03.jpg

Wow, Pookster....that is a GREAT idea! You have probably helped a lot of others with this idea. Thanks for sharing.

Amazing! Great job, lookin' forward to seeing the plans!

that's a GREAT idea.

i shared this thread with an on-line bass community. as i said there, a little taller, and you could store larger music gear!

the tailgate could be the dining room table!

THANKS!

fred

Picture with mattress on top of the frame

http://home.cogeco.ca/~tpookster/Pictures/HondaElement/Mattress4.JPG

Well, I just got back from camping. My Wife and I spent almost a week in the Element, just sleeping where ever we ended up that day. Just thought I would report back on how I made out with the ABS Bed Frame. I gota tell you, it went off without a hitch.

We were very comfortable sleeping on the mattress on top of the bed frame and we had more than enough storage area. With the dark tint all way round, we didn't even need a privacy curtain. Some areas we ended up people walked right on by and didn't notice a thing.

What type of boxes or crates do you have that fit inside the frame? Any pics of the whole setup?

Thanks PookSter! I am going to build one for my frequent trips between So. Cal and Portland Oregon. I usually stay at a KOA in Mount Shasta, but what a hassle setting up "camp" after a long day of driving. It looks like I can get all my crap for REAL camping under the frame and just plop!

KOA's. Yech...but safer than a rest stop..

I just picked up a couple of rubbermade totes that were about 14.5 inches tall and my cooler which is about the same height. Once you have the frame made, you can pretty much use anything that will maximize the space.

..sorry, no pics of under the frame, just the one of the mattress on top

spldr said:
Thanks PookSter

No problem..always happy to share ideas. If you all make any refinements..let me know

Pookster,

Can you send the dimensions to me? My email is metro6775@yahoo.com.

Thanks a million.

I use the totes too! Sterlite makes a blue one that matches the interior perfectly. I have 6, they fit in the cargo area perfectly, and 3 slide under the tailgate when I camp, the other 3 are tables!

pookster! Awesome! Will you please send me the plans also gategate@go.com. Many thanks! this is wonderful and will work great with the homemade privacy curtain I just finished. Orage flowers! Peace, Patty

Just finished making the frame. I can't figure out how you got a double mattress in the back. The width I can only measure 40''??? Length 60'' with the seats in place for driving. I have been search for a short and wide airbed, futon, or matress. Any idea? Let me know about the bed size. What am I missing? Is yours bigger :) Also Pookster, What about the console between the front seats, that looks cool. What is it? Patty

OOPS width 48'' Patty

Excellent work man. I can't believe how creative people get with these things.

:idea: :!:

What a great idea. I struggle sleeping on an inflatable matress when I go camping, so a proper matress for those weekend getaways would be nice. But I have to ask you, where do you get the black ABS (I assume ABS is that plastic piping that I get in my local DIY stores like Lowes, or Homedepot etc). The only color I've seen is the white, but I think by your photos that the black is definately in order.

I bought the black ABS tubing at the nearest plumbing supply store. Everything cost about $30. Hope that helps. I don't know how ABS differs from PVC, I'm curious. Anyway, yesterday I bought a futon for the back. It is in two parts, a loveseat and ottoman. The love seat is 54X54 inches and the ottoman pillow is 22 inches. When driving the front seats can be back and the ottoman pillow just sits on top of the loveseat futon. When we set up the bed, the ottoman rests nicely next to the tailgate on the frame and totes to make a 76 inch bed. We are trying it out this weekend in Trinidad Calif. You can look for us at the Emerald Forrest Campground under the Redwood trees. Peace, Patty

you should have sold this idea
i'm sure it will show up in a catalog next week
very cool :idea:

Any body out there have pookSter's specifications for the bed frame??
I would like to build it cause my dog and I are going to run up the coast to Oregon next month to deliver paintings for a gallery. We would like to have a bed ready in case we can't find a motel that will take a 100 lb Weimaraner.
I have a silver 2003 EX, blue interior,Pioneer speakers, hidden hitch.Bought it used a month ago!!!!
Any information or dimensions for bedframe...please!!!

Cool Idea, thanks for sharing. :)

Could youplease send me a copy of your plans? I'd love a setup like this for myself! Also, what type & size of matress do you use?

Thanks,

Mark

markz at peoplepc dot com

I am interested in getting plans for pooksters bed frame if any one would care to share theirs my emai is sbyrn@nespower.com :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also interested in plans. Please send them to mcescher78@msn.com. Thanks in advance!!!!

Please e-mail me a copy. vigi@pacbell.net
thanx
Great idea

Has anyone received a copy of the plans for the bed? I haven't heard from anyone. Can someone please send them to me if you have them!?

personally I would prefer to put a futton matress on the back floor over using such a bulky matress... Then again the seats fold down plat enough to just put a sturdy matress on them.

[quote:77a5b4a1bf=" "]personally I would prefer to put a futton matress on the back floor over using such a bulky matress... Then again the seats fold down plat enough to just put a sturdy matress on them.[/quote:77a5b4a1bf]

Yeah, but you're missing the point. The frame/mattress idea frees up cargo space under the mattress for storing whatever necessities one needs for their trip. If you've got a futon mattress on the floor (or the seats folded flat) where are you going to put all of your stuff?

I'd love to see the plans posted here, since it seems there are a lot of interested Element owners. I'm thinking about driving cross-country on the mother of all roadtrips (Philadelphia to Vancouver, BC and back) and I **KNOW** the comfort, convenience, and added cargo space would definitely come in handy.

[quote:ed1a23dd43=" "]

Yeah, but you're missing the point. The frame/mattress idea frees up cargo space under the mattress for storing whatever necessities one needs for their trip. If you've got a futon mattress on the floor (or the seats folded flat) where are you going to put all of your stuff?[/quote:ed1a23dd43]

Hey, I was gonna say that! I agree! That is why I want this frame...to preserve storage space under the bed.

Good point. I must say that I agree on the cargo space issue.
By the way... What part of Philly are you from? Or are you from the suburbs in the city like king of prussia. My wifes family are from NE Philadelphia all three of four generations.

[quote:b515082be3=" "]What part of Philly are you from? Or are you from the suburbs in the city like king of prussia. My wifes family are from NE Philadelphia all three of four generations.[/quote:b515082be3]

I live ~ 15 mi north of Philadelphia in Montgomery County.

I have been working on my platform for some time now and have made a couple changes for the "better" or at least for my sleeping and storage situations in my 3 day camping excursions in the Shenandoah Natn'l Park. I was considering working with my girlfriend (graphics designer) to create step by step instructions on building a platform like this with multiple options (i.e. hanging dirty clothes/shoes basket on slides) for adapting the platform to one's needs.

It would be several pages and cover all aspects of building including exact supplies/measurements for cuts/optional tie downs etc. We've been debating doing this, but it is A LOT of work. We were thinking of printing it nicely and selling it for 3 bucks including regular shipping.

If it were successful enough, i would consider creating a kit that would include ALL supplies pre-cut and just require assembly and installation.

Looking to see if anyone here might be interested in either the plans, or even the kit before we spend two weeks creating an instruction manual. Are there enough interested E owners to bother?

Thanks in advance guys! I will be acquiring a digital camera shortly, and could possibly post pics in the next few weeks if there are enough parties interested.

Regards,
Jessee Wright

Totally interested!

-brendan

I would be interested depending on price...I would probably be more interested on the plans, as opposed to the kit. Unless the kit was very affordable...Thanks for the ideas and the effort!!!

Definitely want plans. Possibly buy kit!

Wow, its great to see three posts already. I spoke with Pamela and she's all for doing it. Shes going to use some program called "Quark" to create the graphics and digital pictures. She recommended creating a .PDF file as opposed to printing for those who want full color images, etc.

Looks like i will have to build a second platform to capture photographs of some of the steps (like how to make it a certain height for better storage of bins). Soo looks like I'll have one to sell in maybe 3 weeks, and have a way to figure out a price first. Man i'm such a dork, gettting excited already. :D

I'll try to get pics up ASAP...bear with me, i'm not the techie in the family. I know i'd have to see tons of pics before I'd consider it. Muuahahaha..it begins.

Have a great weekend all.

Jessee

[quote:b94d6b67b9=" "]Wow, its great to see three posts already. I spoke with Pamela and she's all for doing it. Shes going to use some program called "Quark" to create the graphics and digital pictures. She recommended creating a .PDF file as opposed to printing for those who want full color images, etc.

Looks like i will have to build a second platform to capture photographs of some of the steps (like how to make it a certain height for better storage of bins). Soo looks like I'll have one to sell in maybe 3 weeks, and have a way to figure out a price first. Man i'm such a dork, gettting excited already. :D

I'll try to get pics up ASAP...bear with me, i'm not the techie in the family. I know i'd have to see tons of pics before I'd consider it. Muuahahaha..it begins.

Have a great weekend all.

Jessee[/quote:b94d6b67b9]

Since this will probably be a big & heavy item, the shipping cost may be prohibitive to some. Where are you located?

I am in Burke, Virginia, 22015 basically right outside of Washington DC.
I think the frame (when broken down) will be able to be shipped via UPS ground or Via Parcel Post with the USPS.


Regards,
Jessee

Good luck w/ the second design - take lots of jpg's. I'd be interested in plans if it looks well constructed/designed.
Thanks

Pics and plans, please :)

8)

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/0.jpg

Pardon if i did this wrong, i have never posted an image before.

Ok first, this is Pamela. She is not part of the kit, and is way too valuable to even consider letting go. This is the bed frame with air mattress. Fits EXACTLY left to right, EXACTLY front to back, has extra frame support where you enter/leave the vehicle at night, and requires NO additional support structure other than the frame to hold up the mattress (no crates/bins/whatever).

Mattress fits exactly front to back left to right with seats forward. It is a FULL sized air mattress and is very comfortable to sleep on (plus it matches says Pamela).

Huge amounts of storage underneath frame. We bring 9x13 gazebo, fold out chairs, stove, 5 days clothes each. Boots, packs, food, towels, water etc. It ALL fits underneath.

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/4.jpg

This is the frame in the driving position. When you park and sleep, you fold the seats forward and add a frame extension allowing the full 76inch length of the Full sized bed to be supported. The ends are lightly capped while driving so as not to rub the back of your seats (though they only have 1/8 inch contact with seat when pushed fully back and reclined nicely).

Note that gear can be accessed even with the mattress on the frame from two large openings. Also (as you can see in the side view) when you open your rear doors, there is absolute free access to the storage for very large items (no support beams in the way). This is convenient for those items you need very quick access to, even when driving.

That rules!

-brendan

I'm also quite interested in plans for this!
Also, I'll post pics soon of a 1/2 width storage platform I already made. The plan is to sleep on the passenger side seats with an air mattress on top...and store all the necessities on and under this platform...

jesse

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/2.jpg
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/5.jpg

You'll notice that the frame juts out very far on the driver's side. This come out all the way to the door but does not touch it. It is our side of entrance and where you get on the bed needs extra support b/c of the weight applied with your knee. It is only on the driver's side, but can be put on both sides with no fitment problems. Note the forward extension is not pictured in any of these for sleepy time. I can put up more pics of any views that people might want. This is a very sturdy bed when glued. I'm over 200 and we'll call Pamela 100 8) and no problems at all.

The whole thing breaks down into three flat pieces (the vertical rectangles) and the runners between them (makes a nice little bundle with a bungee). I can even post a pic of my home storage rack where they are all vertical on the wall on hooks w/the runners below. Takes surprisingly little space.

I used pvc as it is much cheaper and a hair stronger than ABS.

If i had 3 people interested, the kit would be 175 plus shipping(there is about 60 feet of PVC and lots of not cheap Ts, Xs, and Ls). I could also do a kit with this perfect fit mattress(new not mine!) and this really cool 12v small air pump for a bit more. This frame is solid, well built, and fits EXACTLY. Took us many days and $ to perfect.

Well...LMK all.

Regards,
Jessee

Picture of it torn down and or stowed?

Is there room to stow one or both back seats underneath?

Is there NBP PVC available? :)

-brendan

Hmmm...havent tried. Never cared to. When i go camping, i just take the seats out and leave them in the house. Its too dark to look, but i would guess the seats might fit widthwise, at least one in the front area underneath, at the cost of a lot of storage space. I will check tommorrow.

Jessee

The pics are great! I'd definitely be interested in the plans! Thanks for taking the time to post!

Beautiful.

Great pics!

Is there NBP PVC available?

-brendan

Snort! :D

8)

Well...I'm going to attempt to prep and paint the PVC like you would a car bumper and seal it with clearcoat for durability. From what i've read, its very difficult but possible. If I were successful, I would consider painting the kits before i shipped them. How cool would that be? Color-matched camping bedframes, that can be stored in the closet of even the smallest apartment for less than cosmetic accessories like sidesteps!

Might have the paintjob attempted next weekend.

Jessee

There is a new plastic piant out that does not need primer or sanding. When I see the commercial agian I will post the name.

bone

[quote:cd51edab88=" "]There is a new plastic piant out that does not need primer or sanding. When I see the commercial agian I will post the name.

bone[/quote:cd51edab88]

Are you talking about the stuff to paint the white plastic lawn chairs and stuff? I think I know exactly what you are talking about but can't remember the name. Something like "kryon" something or other.

Krylon does make a plastic paint, but in order to prevent flaking and or the removal of the paint from extraordinary friction, preperation is necessary. At least this is what i know thus far. A clearcoat on top of the prepped paint is supposed to really help the adhesion and friction resistance. A satin finish might not show as many scratches also.

We have started the plans for building the frame and will work on them this week. Should be really cool when done, so cool in fact that we're registering them with the Copyright office to protect us from the sadly dishonest who won't drop 5 bucks for the plans.

I have a requst for a pic of it broken down and stored, any others?

Jessee

[quote:80574f9c24=" "]
I have a requst for a pic of it broken down and stored, any others?

Jessee[/quote:80574f9c24]

Yes, I'd like to see it broken down & stowed too! Thanks!

Okay. This is really a great idea!
But, anybody test the weight limit yet?
I'm 300lbs and my wife's ummmm, you ask her! :lol:

I tested it with a little over 500 pounds of weight from my gym. It is sturdy enough for that much weight i know for certain. Right after you build it, before the pieces are glued, it isn't as tough b/c the joints want to spread a bit. After you glue the main sections, it is very strong. it is 1.5 inch pvc, and none of the runs are long enough to allow much flex.

Regards,
Jessee

Like some others here, I'd be very interested to see the frame broken down for storage. A view of the front extension would also be very useful.

I'm particularly interested in knowing/seeing how far the front seats must be brought forward to accommodate the extension (i.e. all the way forward in the track and/or leaning all the way forward?)

Thanks!

I don't know about this particular platform, but I know that with mine, the seats have be all the way forward on their tracks, with the seat backs vertical or more forward, in order to accomodate a 6' long platform.

My platform, in travel mode, is 4' long, with a footwell at the front that is a bit narrower than the stock rearseat footwell. This is a good space for a small cooler, and other items that driver and passenger would want while driving. In camp I add a 2' long extension to make the total length 6'.

When sleeping with the tailgate open and covered, I prefer to put the extension on the tailgate. It is easier to enter and exit through the side doors with the forward footwell open. This footwell also provides a place to sit and change clothes. However the full width air mattress might not fit well if it has to project part way out on to the tailgate (the tailgate opening being too narrow).

This pipe platform and air mattress combination looks a bit high to me. Sitting up might be difficult.

Note that without boards on top of the pipe frame, this platform depends on the stiffness of the air mattress to bridge the spaces between pipes. As long as your weight is spread out that should be ok.

I wonder what size boxes can be accomodated under (or rather within) this frame? Long skinny boxes, as well as various duffles and bags may fit better than storage boxes like the 8 gallon Rubbermaid storage totes.

paulj

Looks well thought out - light weight with lots of storage space. I'm definately interested in the plans. Thanks for the effort :D

I would also like a copy of the plans. . . Any idea when you'll be able to send them out to about half the memebers in the EOC??!! :lol: :lol:

Hi,
I'd very much appreciate your Emailing a set of your plans when you have time.
Thanks much.

FMercik@comcast.net

now to get some privacy curtains and a "don't come a' knockin' if this e's a' rockin'" bumper sticker...

Finally! Here is the picture of it broken down and stored. I have it on a hook on the wall in this shot. Doesn't take up much space and the height only needs to be as wide as the inside of the E. It fits well in my jacket closet too...but i'll be keeping jackets there this winter so..its on the wall.

We're working on the plans currently. Should be really neat.

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/6.jpg

Can't wait for the plans! snarf, snarf

anymore news on this?

Absolutely! We're photographing the construction process right now, and developing the plans to make them understadable both verbally and visually. I really think they'll be cool and worth our efforts when completed.

Expected date of completion somewhere in early to mid August. Hopefully by then i will have the results from my attempt to color match it to my interior. 8)

I can't wait for you guys to finish! My wife and I are dying to go comping in our E and this is the best way to go. Good luck on finishing up! Can't wait to see it!

-Oscar

OMG, so sorry I didn't post the plans before I disappeard. Been away for a while. I did a quick rough sketch as I couldn't find the original ones I did up. If you need any clarification, just ask and hopefully I'll get back to you a little quicker :)

This frame fits a coleman double mattress perfect. You don't have to add on any sections to put the mattress on. As you probably know, a full double will not fit in the Element length wise without the seats fully forward. When my wife and I wanted to sleep, we simply pushed the seats fully forward and then fully inflated the double mattress. In the morning when we wanted to take off, we deflated it just enough to let the seats move fully back. This worked excellent and only took 2 min each night to put that little bit of air back in. I opted for this method as we found it a pain on the first prototype to add on an extra piece for the extra 1.5 ft each night and take it off in the morning and then find a place to stow it. We found no problem with the mattress hanging over the frame towards the front as its pretty firm. We did however have a cooler below the frame at the back to prevent the mattress sag. If you were extra heavy, all the would be needed if you don't have a cooler is a thin piece of paneling the width of the frame as the mattress is pretty stiff on its own.

As you can see in the picture, the back of the frame is fully open giving you maximum storrage at the rear, and also the side storage is easily accessed from the side doors. Earlier models I made had cross braces near the rear hatch and I could not get my cooler over the pipe on the floor, so this design worked best for me. Storage height is a problem as you only have 14.5 inches under the frame. If you go too high, the mattress if above the windows.
After you dry fit the frame and all looks fine, glue and screw it together with abs cement. I did leave the side connections unglued so it can pop apart in 3 sections and lay flat for storage.

Hope you can understand my scratch :)
http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/pookster_mattress.jpg

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/pookster_plans.jpg

Looks like folks will have a couple sets of plans to choose from. How awesome is that. Just an update on my element frame plans:

We should FINALLY be done by the end of next week (shooting for the 19th). We didn't make them as spectacular as we were going to and we're going black and white instead of color. Very thorough and neat though with expanded drawings and whatnot.

Also, i have been experimenting with paints...and i think i have it down. I prep, paint, and clearcoat and it seems very durable and scratch resistant. I've tried about 5 different techniques. I'm going to have my buddy in TN (going there this weekend) make me two spray cans of color matched paint for my frame. Should be fun, i'll update you all asap.

Little pic of how i camp in my E. All of this and storage for all my food, packs, food, gear, food, etc:


http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/7.jpg
http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/8.jpg

Using Pookster's pictures I put together a complete cut list for you and anyone else looking to build this...

(8 ) Elbows
(12) T-connectors

(8 ) 9 3/4" pieces
(3) 29 1/2" pieces
(4) 26 3/4" pieces
(4) 3 1/2" pieces
(2) 15 5/8" pieces
(1) 21 1/2" pieces
(2) 2 3/4" pieces
(3) 25" pieces

I double checked this a few times so it should be correct. Hope it helps. :)

Finally! PLANS ARE READY! We got the website up. We were having some difficulties, but they seem to be over now and most of the pics and graphics are in place.

Anyone interested in Element Air Bed Plans can go to www.cubej.com . From there, just click on the "Element" button for frame FAQ, a gallery, and a link to get the plans. The Kits page will be up by the end of tommorrow. BTW, Pamela did everything on this page from scratch. ITs pretty cool 8)

I would love an email if you all have any problems viewing the website.

That's awesome!

Once I get bills paid this month, y'all might be hearing from me!

-brendan

Hey Brendan! I see you're in Arlington, I"m in Burke, perhaps 30 minutes from you. Save some bucks on shipping and come by and pick one up! These things are no fun to package anyway. :D

If there are any other requested pics, let me know and Pamela can post them on our gallery online.

www.cubej.com

Great Pics, Guys!!

Snarf!!! That looks just like my "E"! I can't tell from the lighting though, is yours Fiji or Eternal (Fiji here)? And you've got the steelies like me! :) Great name, by the way... wasn't Snarf that little furry thing from Thundercats or something in the 80's? (or was it He-Man?) Hehehe...

I want to go camping now and try out this whole bed thing! It'll probably have to wait until next summer though, as I cannot take any vacation right now.

[quote:7112c788ce=" "]Hey Brendan! I see you're in Arlington, I"m in Burke, perhaps 30 minutes from you. Save some bucks on shipping and come by and pick one up! These things are no fun to package anyway. :D [/quote:7112c788ce]

EVEN BETTER!

Perhaps we could even do a meet around the bedframes?

-brendan

Heck yeah. I'd be down for a meet in late September, perhaps early october when its cooler. Maybe do a bit of light offroading too! (I know its off topic, but I want to so bad).

OH, and to the previous question surrounding my name snarf: Snarf was Lion-O's "nursemaid" on Thundera, and he has a hard time dealing with the fact that Lion-O is no longer in need of his "protection". Although he's somewhat cowardly, Snarf does manage to gather his wits and help when needed (got that from a thundercats website).

IT also means to consume food quickly...probably more accurate in my case :shock:

[quote:40887f4258=" "]...Snarf was Lion-O's "nursemaid" on Thundera, and he has a hard time dealing with the fact that Lion-O is no longer in need of his "protection". Although he's somewhat cowardly, Snarf does manage to gather his wits and help when needed...

IT also means to consume food quickly...probably more accurate in my case :shock:[/quote:40887f4258]

Thanks, Snarf for the VERY detailed explanation! I haven't seen that show since I was like 9 years old or something... As I recall it came on between Inspector Gadget and Smurfs (I always hated that damn cat Azrael!!). What a waste of time, in retrospect! :)

http://www.elementownersclub.com/uploads/files/azrael.gif http://www.elementownersclub.com/uploads/files/snarf.jpg

In the future though, I'll try and associate your name with your second definition! ;)

Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

LEGO

That is really cool. Expect to be hearing from me on a kit in a couple of weeks.

Guess what I built this weekend for 38 bucks?

Guess what I built this weekend for 38 bucks?

Got any Pics???

I am going camping tomorrow-saturday, and will take pics then =]

Did you use snarf's plans or improvise?

I built this one:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~tpookster/Pictures/HondaElement/frame1.JPG

BUT, I made some mods. It did not fit in my E like this:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~tpookster/Pictures/HondaElement/frame3.JPG


Mine was roughly half-a-foot smaller width-wise. Not sure if the measurements were off or what ( cut them exactly as the "blueprints" specified, as well as double checking with the part list that someone else graciously made). I used a PVC cutter:

http://www.toolup.com/imdir/product/klein/large/50500.jpg

This was $9.98 @ Home Depot (not this brand/model though).

I bought 40 feet of 1 1/2" PVC and had about 5 feet left over. All in all, it took about 25 minutes to cut and assemble. I was going to use a hacksaw, but I remembered my old plumbing days and shelled out 10 bucks for the cutters. It takes about 5 seconds to make a cut and its clean with no burring of the plastic. No problems at all (just remember to label each one with the size at the end with a Sharpie). A few cuts will be pretty similar looking so it will be confusing if you dont label or separate them.

After assembly, throw it in the E and see how it fits. Make some adjustments if needed.

I dont care about take-apart storage because it weighs nothing and is SUPER easy to move around. Throw it in the garage or a closet and forget about it. I was going to glue it into two separate parts - top and bottom - and just have six supporting 9 3/4" PVC poles that are loose with the top and bottom halves. After setting it all in place, however, I found that it creaked a bit and though "screw it" and glued the entire structure together. It's VERY sturdy and hardly makes a peep.

I have no idea how much shipping would be on this. Broken down, the package would be about 18" high x 18" wide x 30 inches long (2 1/2 feet). If it works out, I wouldn't mind cutting up PVC for people and shipping it with all the needed parts. It's not expensive at all.

I dont want to intrude on the other guy selling the PVC-based beds though, so I'll have to think of some changes to make this version unique.

I'll let everyone know how it goes this weekend. I'm going here:

http://nwgeorgiabackroads.com/places/ID/15

Crawford Pigeon Mountain

Been there several times, but only twice in the Element, neither time with an air mattress. Looking forward to this =] Here's a picture from the last time we went. This was our camping spot (I'm on the end in the white hat..and also the oldest person here):

http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/CAMPING4.jpg


And this is a picture I took literally sitting inside my tent on the edge of a huge cliff..haha:

http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/CAMPING3.jpg

:shock: Oh Man! I hadn't seen this thread before and I'm SO glad I found it! :grin: We Love camping, but usually take a tent because of the storage space issues. This just might work, although we tend to over pack a little so we'd just have to reign that impulse in a bit. :roll:
Thanks to everyone for all the info sharing about this stuff!! :grin:

I dont want to intrude on the other guy selling the PVC-based beds though, so I'll have to think of some changes to make this version unique.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but its ok as long as you dont' try to pimp my design as it is. If you come up with something super better fantastical, more power to you. My girlfriend designed the book from my specs for a graphics design class and she copyrighted it.

I'm sure there are plenty of folks who go on my site, check out the design and then build their own. Whatever, the plans are only 5 bucks for a good design, its really cool and actually went through another iteration to clean it up even more. Its better than any furniture instruction book you would find!

So far, lets see...18 EOC members have bought plans. Pamela and I make about 2 bucks off of the sale of each plan we print (which goes into our "camping fund") after printing on glossy paper, buying a manilla folder and two stamps. I wanted to post to say that I hope those of you with the plans send me pics this spring with the frame in the back of your E. It would be really cool for Pamela and I to see our design in use more. Please email them to me, okie dokie?

Well, since my frame was based directly off the plans for your bed, I'll take a picture tonight and tomorrow (going camping) and send them to you. It really is a great idea and I couldn't have done it without your hardwork. In fact, if you have paypal, I'll pay you 5 bucks right now..haha. Im psyched to go camping with it tonight. 1:00pm just cant get here soon enough...

Since you're offering, here is mypaypal account:

jesseew77@hotmail.com

Please EVERYONE, feel free to give money for any reason whatsoever. Having a bad day, give money. Feeling perky, give money. Have tuna for lunch? Give money...

Email: jesseew77@hotmail.com

Total Amount: $5.00 USD

Date: Mar. 25, 2005
Time: 11:23:50 EST
Status: Completed

Subject: PayPal Payment (Element BedFrame)

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Done!

Oh Man! And I thought I was saving money by bringing lunch to work. Oh well - so how much for a tuna lunch then, because that's what's in the brown bag today!? :roll:

Oh Man! And I thought I was saving money by bringing lunch to work. Oh well - so how much for a tuna lunch then, because that's what's in the brown bag today!? :roll:


Tuna lunch is gonna cost you three bucks at your leisure. For an additional 2 bucks I'll mail you E frame plans.

Sier, that was really cool of you. I really mean that. Your donation is going strait into our camping fund. I wasn't expecting you to REALLY donate. Come on guys! Follow the leader! Give it up! Cue the dancing monkeys! Lets have a marathon!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
check back with me after payday, Man! (long month=no cash-on-hand)! :shock:

I don't recall seeing any pictures of the pookSter style frame with storage boxes in place. This frame appears to support mostly the edges of the mattress, while depending on storage boxes for support in the middle. Its dimensions, particularly height, then should depend on your choice of boxes.

Snarf's frame uses more pipe frames, so supports the mattress by itself. However this approach breaks up the storage space. Boxes then will be harder to use, but duffles and bags should work fine.

Both are intended for a rather thick, stiff air mattress. While comfortable, it also takes up quite a bit of vertical space (5" at least).

I am guessing that getting up on this air mattress is easiest from the open tailgate. Or is entry from the open side doors easy?

paulj

Something that leaves me just a bit uneasy about the usefulness of these pipe air mattress frames, is the fact that the pictures show such a neatly made up bed. For some reason all the pictures that I take of my camping set up seem cluttered, with clothes bags scatter around, a snack bag on the dash, and of course a dog nestled in his corner :)

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122835&postcount=3

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/0.jpg

Pardon if i did this wrong, i have never posted an image before.

Ok first, this is Pamela. She is not part of the kit, and is way too valuable to even consider letting go.

More pics of Pamela !

More pics of Pamela !

Hmm! NO! Not for less than 5 bucks!

I don't recall seeing any pictures of the pookSter style frame with storage boxes in place. This frame appears to support mostly the edges of the mattress, while depending on storage boxes for support in the middle. Its dimensions, particularly height, then should depend on your choice of boxes.

Snarf's frame uses more pipe frames, so supports the mattress by itself. However this approach breaks up the storage space. Boxes then will be harder to use, but duffles and bags should work fine.

Both are intended for a rather thick, stiff air mattress. While comfortable, it also takes up quite a bit of vertical space (5" at least).

I am guessing that getting up on this air mattress is easiest from the open tailgate. Or is entry from the open side doors easy?

paulj

We generally camp and enter the side doors. One of the sides of my frame has additional support to help support the bed where you get in. You know how when you climb onto something taller than you, you put your knee down on it first and kinda use it to push off? I added an additional horizontal pipe to allow for that.

Getting out: I prefer to crawl out the back hatch. Why? Because anyone camping near you gets a kick out of it. Seriously.

About the pictures being "too neat" in your second post. All of these pics were taken in my neighborhood or right when we pulled up. When we camp, there really isn't the disaster that you E looked like because everything stays in small tubs, duffels, or on top (like a jacket, camera, pillows).

Before the air frame, it looked a lot like yours, with all of our crapo shoved up in the front seats at night. What a pain that was eh? Regarding the limited space because I have more supports. that is true. But who wants to haul out an industrial sized bin when you know exactly what you need. I have small bins that are color coded and I can find anything I need in a matter of seconds. Can't reach it? Lift the mattress up with one hand, grab with the other from the top.

The mattress does take up vertical space, but the E has it in abundance and it is not a problem to even sit up on my frame. Refer to picture of pamela laying down above. Its suprisingly roomy.

I don't recall seeing any pictures of the pookSter style frame with storage boxes in place. This frame appears to support mostly the edges of the mattress, while depending on storage boxes for support in the middle. Its dimensions, particularly height, then should depend on your choice of boxes.

Snarf's frame uses more pipe frames, so supports the mattress by itself. However this approach breaks up the storage space. Boxes then will be harder to use, but duffles and bags should work fine.

Both are intended for a rather thick, stiff air mattress. While comfortable, it also takes up quite a bit of vertical space (5" at least).

I am guessing that getting up on this air mattress is easiest from the open tailgate. Or is entry from the open side doors easy?

paulj


I have been on a few trips since that inital voyage. If this helps, I mostly used 2 rubbermaid totes at the rear and a cooler. Along the sides it really didn't need any support, so I used low wire square baskets so I could see what was in the bins (mostly cans of food and dry goods with pans.) It seemed much easier than opeing up plastic bins to look inside. There was one trip that I didn't have room for any totes at the rear for support as I had lots of scuba gear, so I left them at home. I tested out the air mattress without the supports and it was rigid enough to even not have any rear boxes. I did have quite a heavy guy with me though, so just in case I put a 1/8 piece of panelling on the top without any supports underneath. I liked this even more than the original idea, so I use it if I bring the containers or not now

Since I keep a full size spare under my platform, I don't have as much space for the 'daily' living stuff under there. I also keep things like tools, air compressor, tarp poles, etc below. I originally was intending to put my 2 kitchen boxes under there as well (2 8 gal Rubbermaid), but it has proven more convenient to travel with those on top of the platform.

At 10" high my platform has the disadvantage that I can't keep things like a cooler under it. That goes in the footwell behind the driver's seat.

Keep my amount of gear compact and easy to pack, keeps conflicting with a desire to be well prepared. In addition I am usually experimenting with various alternatives. I've been trying various side tarp options, though the Kelty Carport is looking pretty promising. On my 2 week trip last June, we spent about half the nights in a spacious standalone tent, which worked well as a base camp, but is also a bit bulky when packed. On the other hand, last fall, we used that tent only one night, spending most nights in the car. Sports gear also takes up space - hiking boots, poles, backpack, inflatable boat and all of its gear.

paulj

so whats up with the frames..i just found this thred and want some plane but the site isnt up? help a brutha out! :confused:

Yea, I had a friend hosting my site for free. His server status changed to where its frigging impossible for me to use it unless i change the web address. I haven't had it up for about 2 months now. Anyone know a reliable place to host my website CubeJ.com that has moderate storage capacity, bandwith, and fair prices?

Yea, I had a friend hosting my site for free. His server status changed to where its frigging impossible for me to use it unless i change the web address. I haven't had it up for about 2 months now. Anyone know a reliable place to host my website CubeJ.com that has moderate storage capacity, bandwith, and fair prices?
www.godaddy.com

sale on transfers and everything. I am getting ready to buy a 5 year domain and also have them host the site.

Yeah, hey, those are the folkw who registered my website name. 4 bucks a month isn't bad at all!

Yeah, hey, those are the folkw who registered my website name. 4 bucks a month isn't bad at all!
Yup. So does that mean I can get a copy of the plans for free? ;-)

Hi, everybody! My second post. *waves at all*

I've decided to go with pookSter's design. I really like the mega-storage space for my cooler, that can slide in.

On reading this thread again, I think I figured out why sier's version of pookSter's was less wide. I think the measurements provided by pookSter are of what is visible of the parts AFTER they have all been attached. So there is more to a part than what is visible (the part inside the elbow's and tees).
(I'm going to follow the measurements and see if mine is six inches less wide, like sier's.)
I think I will make the four legs two-inches higher than the measurement, just to be sure I can get the cooler and bins (14-1/2") underneath.

Looking at Snarf and Pamela's design, I do have one suggestion. Looking at the rear of the unit, the bar on the bottom, which prevents a mile crate from sliding right in.. why not just have the left "half" of the bottom crossbar, and not have the right side "half"?
The back right leg would then end in a flat cap.

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Two other topics, still on the subject of Element Camping are:
the car cover as inexpensive tent conversion, and
mosquito netting for the back hatch.

The first is an idea from this board, which I tried and it worked great. I'll find that thread and bring it to page one.

The mosquito netting, I'll post a new thread.

:)

Well, I made the pookSter style, per his measurements and it came out just fine.

A few suggestions, however.

1.
Measure your storage bins... if they are 16 1/2 inches high (with lid), then make the four outer "legs" of your frame 10 3/4" instead of the 9 3/4". That one more inch will make a difference.

2. Make the four back pieces one inch shorter.. 25 3/4" instead of 26 3/4", so that you can have your front two seats either lean back just a tad more while driving, or slide back just a tad bit more.

But making the frame to pookSter's specs will be aces, folks!

1 - 21 1/2"
2 - 2 3/4"
2 - 9/1/4" (or 2 - 10 1/4" inner legs)
2 - 15 5/8"
2 - 29 1/2"
3 - 25"
4 - 3 1/2"
4 - 26 3/4" (or 25 3/4")
6 - 9 3/4" (or 4 - 10 3/4" outer legs; while the two 9 3/4" inner horizontal pieces remain 9 3/4")

I would use Pookster's plans, but I'm a big guy and I plan on using a futon instead of an air mattress. I think Snarf's rack looks much stronger. i don't mind giving up some access to the storage area.

The poblem is, I can't seem to get the plans out of him. :roll: Couple of PM's and an offer to send what he needs to his paypal, but no response.

I hate to be such a pest, but i have a trip coming up soon and want to have this thing working by then.

Anybody??

Thanks

B

Pookster, I know its been quite a long time since your plan got posted, but I was able to piece it together in just one evening with a skillsaw and 35 feet of 2" PVC pipe! I took it on a climbing trip the next day (after buying an inflatable full size mattress at Walmart) and it was perfect!

I'm not a particularly 'handy' person when it comes to these projects, but the pics and the lengths were just right. So I just wanted to say, THANKS!!

I augmented my camping experience with the privacy curtain and the screen for the moon-roof and was able to go to sleep with the moon in sight!

!!G

2 big thumbs up for Snarf's PVC airbed frame plans. Took it on its maiden voyage for a quick shakedown campventure. We slept great. Of course not being content with all things, I may tweak them in the future, but for now, no problem. :)

AS to keeping warm, we use the Coleman Powercat propane catalytic heater to knock the chill off before turning in, and in the morning before unearthing ourselves.

What did you set the heater on? How much free space were you able to leave around it?

paulj

What did you set the heater on? How much free space were you able to leave around it?

paulj

Paul - This heater actually fits quite nicely between the front seats. It squeezes between them and is pretty firmly rooted in place. I was a little leary of getting the headliner too hot, but with the built in fan it never was more than slightly warm to the touch.

We probably only ran the heater for 15 minutes, with a side window cracked, and that was plenty to heat the interior. This unit puts out 3000 btu. The outside temp was about 34 deg F when we went to bed. Getting up it was around 26 deg F. I again fired up the heater and it was toasty warm inside within 12 - 15 minutes.

I think this is a safe alternative to other heaters. I like it's ability to heat without an open flame. We also put in on the camp table while preparing breakfast to keep fingers warm while cooking. Wife loved that!

I was fortunate to find this unit used at a goodwill store for $15! They go for $60 - $80 new I think. Still a bargain.

Mike

:) Helped a buddy do this in a Subaru....It had PVC Lids that were paded. I Like your frame Poogster! The open areas are what is needed just for a cooler. These are great Weight savers for cross country. You can reduce the diamater of PVC. I have gone as small as 3/4" if you have the proper bracing.


Glad to be a new member of the group. I will build one and post pictures. I need a frame for my wife and I ACL trip this september http://www.aclfestival.com/default.aspx

In case anyone is still interested in the Element Air Bed Frame plans Pamela and I put together, we're going to rearrange the plans from its current instruction booklet format to a standard PDF and then post them on a free file service for download.

We were selling them for 5 bucks but the juice really wasn't worth the squeeze. I'll post it here within a couple weeks.

Just FYI, my krylon fusion tests went pretty well. Sand with 100 grit, then 300 grit, then paint, then clearcoat.

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/8.jpg

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421529122/0.jpg

Thanks Snarf77. I might try your plans in the future if I ever get back into camping.:D

The E bed frame plans have been PDF'd and are ready for download. Use them as is or as a basis for designing your own.

http://www.savefile.com/files/47419

Enjoy!

The E bed frame plans have been PDF'd and are ready for download. Use them as is or as a basis for designing your own.

http://www.savefile.com/files/47419

Enjoy!

Thank you so much. Excellent, detailed instructions. I will try to put this together before my camping season starts. Any suggestions on the mattress dimensions or brand/style?

The mattress I have used for about 2 years was a full size mattress from Target. I got the cheapo brand, Great Outdoors, or something to that tune. I believe it was 16.88. It has held up well.

The E bed frame plans have been PDF'd and are ready for download. Use them as is or as a basis for designing your own.

http://www.savefile.com/files/47419

Enjoy!

these are the most detailed and simple instructions i've ever seen. thank you so much, snarf77!

i love that you can use the space underneath as storage for all your gear when the bed is set up.

thanks again, really. this is truly appreciated.

In case anyone is still interested in the Element Air Bed Frame plans Pamela and I put together, we're going to rearrange the plans from its current instruction booklet format to a standard PDF and then post them on a free file service for download.


Snarf -
My wife and I just got back from a 2 week, 4,000 mile "urban camping" trip to the northeast. The plans I purchased from you worked great! :) Plenty of storage, and easily accessible. Sorry this endeavor isn't working out. It's nice of you to post them for free. Thanks again for your efforts.

Mike

The E bed frame plans have been PDF'd and are ready for download. Use them as is or as a basis for designing your own.

http://www.savefile.com/files/47419

Enjoy!
Excellent. Thanks!

Really enjoyed reading this thread. Even before I bought my E I knew I wanted to make some kind of platform preferably out of my favorite building material PVC. (adult version of leggo's..LOL). Found this thread and evidently great minds think alike..LOL. I did kinda the same thing with a few variations. For starters I used 1" pipe to keep the total frame size and footprint as small as possible, Don't know if it's been talked about before on EOC but I also used special fittings from Flexpvc, http://www.flexpvc.com/cart/agora.cgi?product=PVC-3-ways

These fittings make for a cleaner design IMHO and are relatively cheap. This is where I left off because I had surgery last Friday and will resume the project as soon as I'm able. I plan to add a plywood deck to the top of the frame in separate panels which will be carpeted and hinged making separate "lids" down into each storage area. I also indented the design behind the passenger seat because I have a separate long panel on top of the passenger seat. I'll post pics of the rest of the project as soon as I'm able to complete it.

Couldn't you just go to Lowe's or Home Depot, or Lockes and buy your pvc pipes and connections. You can usually get a bag of five t's for $2.69 and 8 foot pipe for $2.99

Couldn't you just go to Lowe's or Home Depot, or Lockes and buy your pvc pipes and connections. You can usually get a bag of five t's for $2.69 and 8 foot pipe for $2.99

For the PVC pipe and "standard" fittings I did go to Lowes but for the special fittings like the 3-way corner and 5-way, one needs to get them elsewhere like I did because hardware stores do not carry these fittings. These are special fittings not made for plumbing but for PVC (hobby) projects like this or making furniture. There not absolutely necessary but I like them because they give you a cleaner design.

Al, I found the plans on page 7

This is a really fantastic idea, the only problem for me is that we will be traveling/camping with a child so we will have to have at least one back seat in the car. I love the platform idea but I don't think it will work for us. I'm bummed :-(

I don't think it will work for us. I'm bummed :-(
How so? The PVC can be made to just about ANY configuration you want. In your case (one rear set in) it would be more of an L shape around the seat.

Many people design them so that they have sections that assemble when needed and disassemble for storage. If you fold up the rear seat when you've stopped for the night, maybe? Or, could you take out the seat and put it in the front while you're sleeping?

This is a really fantastic idea, the only problem for me is that we will be traveling/camping with a child so we will have to have at least one back seat in the car. I love the platform idea but I don't think it will work for us. I'm bummed :-(
My plans come apart so it can be easily stowed along one side, while leaving a seat on the other. It would just involve a little more time everyday deflating the bed everyday.

Yeah, if you need only one rear seat, you could travel with the frame disassembled and stowed on the vacant side. If you design it right, you could later remove the rear seat, set the seatback so it's flat, and slide it under the assembled frame. Cuts into your storage space, but...

FINALLY finished my platform and thought I'd throw up some pics in case anyone's interested. I still have to tweak it here and there but for the most part it's done. Pretty happy about how it came out. I climbed up on top and it creaked a bit but hey, I go 235lbs so I expected that... LOL Still gonna cross brace the middle two legs in the center though. Gives me TONS of storage underneath and more than enough room on top for me and my dog to sleep. Tomorrow I start on the always-on outlet in the rear and adding 2 additional outlets in the cubby holes on either side of the steering wheel.

Just built the frame and was trying it out - a couple of questions. Seems the cover for where the drivers back seat cover where it hinges in has to be left off - right? Also, in order to move the seats back for driving means the air mattress has to be deflated every day - is that right?

Just built the frame and was trying it out - a couple of questions. Seems the cover for where the drivers back seat cover where it hinges in has to be left off - right? Also, in order to move the seats back for driving means the air mattress has to be deflated every day - is that right?
I know when I was designing mine, I chose not to make the frame hinged to extend beyond the floor supports behind the seats as there really is no reason to do it. This just adds an extra step in the morning to get going and if there is anything on the bed you have to clear it off. The mattress that extends beyond the floor frame towards the seats is stiff enough when inflated and is such a short distance that you really need nothing under it.
In the morning, all I do is deflate ONLY enough so that the seats return to the full back position, then at night it is a matter of reinflating for about 45 seconds to get back to the night position with the seats forward.

Thanks PoolSter for those hints - makes sense. The other question I had is about the extension just inside the back door on the drivers side which I assume is there so when getting in (and from what I read that is the side to access the bed from) you have something firm to get up on the mattress on. After taking the seats out I put the covers back over the side connections the seat flips up out of the way on but had to remove the one on the drivers side as it wouldn't fit. Do most of you just leave those off when bedding?

This is a nice setup.Those of us that have lightweight wood and melmaine platforms have cut away a katy corner behind the drivers seat. We discovered that camping in rainy weather it's a difficult spot to have no place to put your feet befor you're actually out the door. My friends and I go in and out the drivers side to our platforms.

But my dog needed and extra step thus we realized it came in handy for us as well. You can actaully sit up and have your feet down on the rear floor befor reaching to get out. (to step down on the frame or running boards)

Very convenient.

This is a clean job too!
jurn

Thanks PookSter for those hints - makes sense. The other question I had is about the extension just inside the back door on the drivers side which I assume is there so when getting in (and from what I read that is the side to access the bed from) you have something firm to get up on the mattress on. After taking the seats out I put the covers back over the side connections the seat flips up out of the way on but had to remove the one on the drivers side as it wouldn't fit. Do most of you just leave those off when bedding?
I just take the seats out. I leave everything else where it is. When my wife and I crawl in, we tend to crawl in doors closest to the back, thus not needing supports. Our heads are always under the sunroof...lots of fresh air

Hi all, I found this and would like to know if anyone has PookSter's plans, I have the cut list but need to know what size of pvc is used. If anyone can send me the plans here is my email kalbrecht@cvag.org Thanks

Hi all, I found this and would like to know if anyone has PookSter's plans, I have the cut list but need to know what size of pvc is used. If anyone can send me the plans here is my email kalbrecht@cvag.org Thanks

I sent you an email with two different plans that I had saved on my computer. Let me know how it goes. I think I did Pookster's plan but I thought about modifying it since I have first started and cut the pipe.

How does one get out of the rear cabin?

I sent you an email with two different plans that I had saved on my computer. Let me know how it goes. I think I did Pookster's plan but I thought about modifying it since I have first started and cut the pipe.

Please send me the plans too. Below is my email.
JohnHenryEllis@hotmail.com

I normally lean forward and open a front door.

It is possible to install a means of opening the rear hatch. The simplest is to drill a hole in the plastic at just the right spot. But I don't use that very often. For one thing, I sleep with my head toward the tailgate, so it just seems more natural to get in and out at the 'foot of the bed'. Others make more use of their tailgate opening.

The simplest way of opening the tailgate from the inside is to lay a dirty sock over the latch mechanism on the lower tailgate. Then the upper one will close, but not latch.

Also in warmer weather I leave the upper tailgate open, and cover the space with bug netting. But even with that in place, I don't usually use the tailgate as an exit.

paulj

The simplest is to drill a hole in the plastic at just the right spot. paulj
Do you have the measurments for this such as hole size and location on the upper clam shell?

The idea is to drill a hole just large enough for you to stick your finger in, and move the latching mechanism inside the door. I believe 1" is about right, depending on whether you want to line the hole with a grommet of some sort.

I can't, offhand, give the exact location. I'd suggest taking off the inside trim, and identifying the mechanism that you need to move. As I recall, I had to cut a way a bit of the white 'fluff' on the inside of the trim. So we are talking about a spot on the center line, a couple of inches from the edge.

The more elaborate approach is to attach a cable (like a bicycle brake cable) to the mechanism, and mounting a pull handle off to the side.

paulj

How does one get out of the rear cabin?

Welcome, Torags.

From "How To's -- A collection of How To articles from the EOC forum" (Honda Element Owners Club Forums > FAQ / How To's > Honda Element - "How To" Archive and Information (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_faq_eoc_howto)):

• Hatch release (inside), manual (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27856)
• Hatch release (inside), solenoid (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10932)

I built a bedframe from Snarf's plans and it works perfectly. I havne't used it in awhile, so I'm selling it for $30 plus $20 shipping.

I spent $70 on parts and it took at long time to build it. So, save yourself the hassle!

let me know.

B

I built a bedframe from Snarf's plans and it works perfectly. I havne't used it in awhile, so I'm selling it for $30 plus $20 shipping.

I spent $70 on parts and it took at long time to build it. So, save yourself the hassle!

let me know.

B

You should put it in the Trading post section! I have to say, I like those plans...

Looks like I should log in once and a while :) . Sorry about the pictures disappearing. I'll see if I can find them and put them back up since there still seems to be a demand for my design. I never ever would charge for them, so no paypal is necessary.


EDIT;
I rehosted all the pics and plans and I am just waiting for the Mods of the site to edit my posts to reflect the changes. I also uploaded the pics of the sunroof screen I made that some people requested.
...pookSter

Is there any chance someone could update the plans for this? I'm buying my E next Tuesday and I have less than 24 hours to build a platform, stuff the hold and load up the dogs before a 3000 mile road trip, and this frame looks like the perfect project for it!

What kind of update are you hoping for?

Your timeline for building the platform doesn't sound realistic. Also, if you are buying a brand-new car, driving 3,000 miles at nearly all highway speed isn't a good way to break in an engine.

Agree on not a good way to break it in. If you're on interstates turn off every now and again and drive at differnt speeds for a while. 2 lane blacktop is more fun anyway.
On that subject I'll be moving from N.VA to Phoenix in June. I'll be driving the E out with some stuff I don't want to have the mover to mess with. I hope I take my advise and vary the driving so I can stay awake. No way around Texas though.
se

I mean that the only photos that remain visible in the 15 pages of posts are Lefty's and the same can be said about the various links to sites or downloads. I can kind of fake it off of the photos, but I was planning on having my father in law begin the plans before we head out there so that all we have to do is fine-tune it when we arrive.

Trust me, if I could avoid breaking it in that way I would. We moved out here to Maine for a job that was arranged before my last Element, a gorgeous 08 Kiwi, was totaled in a car wreck just before Christmas. That left us without a way here short of flying and we had to leave our pets in Idaho.

Now, the longest amount of time I can get off is a week and if we don't get our kids here with us soon, my wife and I are going to go crazy! If I could, I'd fly them to us, but flying 2 cats, a Newfoundland and a Great Pyrenees is pretty much impossible.

We are planning to stop very frequently however, as one of our dogs has never travelled long distances, so we plan to walk him every hour or so, and I avoid highways as much as humanly possible (My GPS hates me)

The photos were on Pookster's own site, now a 404. Pookster last posted in December; you can try sending a PM. A few other platform threads have suffered from the same fate.

Full list of platform designs here (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62469).

How excellent! thank you SO much, RamblerDan! These are exactly what we're looking for, especially the ones integrating the front seats. The one with pipes and board look like just the thing for a quick build ahead of time that will be strong enough for my boys.

Man, this is exciting. I've had Elements since they first rolled off the lines and I've always wanted to, but never made a mod like this.

I've always been intrigued by the concept of sleeping platforms, but unwilling to put in the work to build one without more confidence that I'd be comfortable and able to get in and out of the Element without a ladder.

Yesterday I had an unexpected chance to try a "mockup", using an alternative I hadn't ever considered. This is much more comfortable than the standard seats, the height provides more length than a mattress on the floor, and the height, while higher than I prefer, is workable. The worst part will be stretching to open the front door so I can open the rear passenger door.

A set of half-width modular platforms is now on my project list for the summer. :-)

Psschmied, how do you plan to secure the seat to the floor?

The worst part will be stretching to open the front door so I can open the rear passenger door.
Try the dog-leash method.

PSS...

I think i dig your style (See: SNL: best of will ferrel [i think])

I would secure that thing to the floor using a rediculous amount of bungee chords using the rear seat floor mounts as anchor points..

Psschmied, how do you plan to secure the seat to the floor? Try the dog-leash method.

You mean use a dog leash to pull the front door release handle?

I have no plan to use a rocker/recliner as a sleeping platform in my Element. This was just an opportunity to evaluate the effect of a raised platform without building one. The recliner is too unstable, bulky and heavy to be a safe, practical solution, even if anchored, but it sure is comfortable.

The sales clerk was surprised that the recliner fit so easily in the Element. When we got it home yesterday home my wife said, "It looks like you could sit in it right where it is", so I tried it. By doing so, I proved to myself that there was more than enough room for me to sleep flat on my back in half the width behind the front seat using a raised support.

I am going to take a careful look at how it the chair uses padding to achieve comfort, as the cushioning is much thinner than a standard air mattress.

As I said, I plan to construct a modular raised platform, possibly using some of the folding capabilities of a recliner, and will probably anchor it to the floor using the standard seat loops.

Yes, leash on the front door handle for egress.

Glad you're not going to make the recliner permanent, though it does look like fun.

Hilarious! I just returned from a road trip with my husband and friend in my Element. 1/2 way through VA, my friend started dreaming up mods for the Element - including a lazy boy chair in the back. :grin:

With RamblerDan's help, I just figured out how to load images. Here's my platform bed. I've cut the plywood section directly behind the front seats in two so one person can sleep while the other drives. The whole thing breaks down quickly and fits in a large stuff-sack. We travel with the back two sections installed. Four 11" tall Rubbermaid tubs hold our gear underneath. I move our cooler to the front passenger seat because we usually camp in grizzly country. We sleep on 2 Exped Downmat 9 Deluxe mats. Better than our bed at home and I use them for winter camping when I sleep outside.
http://www.altrec.com/exped/downmat-9-deluxe-sleeping-pad

The inner hatch release is a must. After a few beers around the campfire, it's a long way to the passenger door in the middle of the night.

The full platform and hatch release

Very nice, Zinguy. I'll add this to the list of platforms (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62469).

(I don't think I was any help in your getting images to upload, though!)

With RamblerDan's help, I just figured out how to load images. Here's my platform bed. I've cut the plywood section directly behind the front seats in two so one person can sleep while the other drives. The whole thing breaks down quickly and fits in a large stuff-sack. We travel with the back two sections installed. Four 11" tall Rubbermaid tubs hold our gear underneath. I move our cooler to the front passenger seat because we usually camp in grizzly country. We sleep on 2 Exped Downmat 9 Deluxe mats. Better than our bed at home and I use them for winter camping when I sleep outside.
http://www.altrec.com/exped/downmat-9-deluxe-sleeping-pad

:lol: This is awesome! Do you have the measurements for all these pipes? I would love to put one of these together. Also, I can't really tell from the pics, but in it's full set up, does it require the front seats to be pushed all the way forward? Thanks!

Lytepipe,
I'll measure this weekend. I do have it set up so when I put the last section in, the front seats need to be all the way forward. I'm 6'1" so I need all the room. One change I made is to cut the last section of plywood in half (parallel to the direction of travel) so I can have the full length set up just behind the passenger seat if I wish. That way one can sleep and one can drive. I picked up the PVC pipes and caps(for the bottom of the locally and ordered all the T, L and + fittings from http://flexpvc.com/index.shtml.
Since all the pipes stay together by simple friction it is really easy to take apart and stow, reconfigure, or use it as I do as a sleeping platform in our tent with our non-food gear stowed underneath. I'm also working on reconfiguring the PVC into a shower stall for my hot water shower. http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...nda%20Element/

Hey brother Zinc...

This looks like the easiest setup of all. Just wondering, I didn't see your measurements or piece list. Also, did you hinge the wood ? And, did you attach the wood at all to the pvc ? I want something easy, & as luck has it, i'm only 5'4", but my dog is 100 lbs lol...

Any help or a pm with directions would be perfect. I appreciate it...

Thanx
David

Lytepipe,
I'll measure this weekend. I do have it set up so when I put the last section in, the front seats need to be all the way forward. I'm 6'1" so I need all the room. One change I made is to cut the last section of plywood in half (parallel to the direction of travel) so I can have the full length set up just behind the passenger seat if I wish. That way one can sleep and one can drive. I picked up the PVC pipes and caps(for the bottom of the locally and ordered all the T, L and + fittings from http://flexpvc.com/index.shtml.
Since all the pipes stay together by simple friction it is really easy to take apart and stow, reconfigure, or use it as I do as a sleeping platform in our tent with our non-food gear stowed underneath. I'm also working on reconfiguring the PVC into a shower stall for my hot water shower. http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...nda%20Element/

Hi Zinguy,
Did you happen to get around to those measurements? I'd love to put one of these together.

Thanks!

Sorry, it's been busy.
Using 1 1/4 inch PVC- the legs are 9" except for the front 3 which I cut to fit ( I have caps on all of them for the bottom)
The 8 pieces that run across the car are 18"
The 6 pieces that run paralelle to the car for the two back sections are 22 1/4
The last 3 that suppor the wood closest to the front are 20"
The corner fittings, "T's", etc all add length. I just slide them together and take them apart. No glue. I have Velcro on the wood and connecting PVC pieces so the plywood doesn't move around. Just lay it all out and it should make sense.

Thanks a lot, Zinguy!!

Yep, this is the one I will eventually build for me & Apollo... The hatch release is a great idea as well. Need to look up more on that...

Thanx
David