Last January we lost our 6 yr old black pug to cancer and we are looking to get another pug. Our 9 yr old fawn pug is missing her sister still as we are.

Have been in touch with various breeders and we were in touch with a pug and french bulldog breeder some distance from us who had a litter already and another litter due April 22nd.

We wanted to check out the breeder and pups and decided to make a day trip in the E. 1st long driving trip since getting it.

Soo, Saturday I take the day off work, bundle the better half in her E and off we went for an almost 5 hour drive to get to the breeders.

Get there Saturday afternoon, meet the breeder and all her dogs. She's not talking about the April 22nd litter other than showing the mother.

Finally ask her outright about the litter and she says that the litter is all spoken for. She has even taken more deposits than available pups! She's even saying that some people are offering her more money to move up on the list, trying to hint to us that she's willing to be bribed a bit!

Well, to say we were more than a bit put out by this is an understatement.
Not once prior to the meeting did she state that NO dogs were available and that she would not be having another litter until probably September 2007.

Breeders like this really get me.:mad:
The E (2003 AWD) ran great however and we got a chance to see what it was like on a long drive, nice and comfortable as we spent about 11 hours driving that day...

back to the dog hunt..

Dale

If everything you say is true (and I am not at all saying it is not; just thinking of slander/libel), you should state the breeders name and location so no one else is taken by this unscrupulous, greedy breeder. He/she probably doesn't do a lot of other things "correctly" when it comes to breeding.

I wish you luck in finding another pug -g

Last January we lost our 6 yr old black pug to cancer and we are looking to get another pug. Our 9 yr old fawn pug is missing her sister still as we are.

Have been in touch with various breeders and we were in touch with a pug and french bulldog breeder some distance from us who had a litter already and another litter due April 22nd.

We wanted to check out the breeder and pups and decided to make a day trip in the E. 1st long driving trip since getting it.

Soo, Saturday I take the day off work, bundle the better half in her E and off we went for an almost 5 hour drive to get to the breeders.

Get there Saturday afternoon, meet the breeder and all her dogs. She's not talking about the April 22nd litter other than showing the mother.

Finally ask her outright about the litter and she says that the litter is all spoken for. She has even taken more deposits than available pups! She's even saying that some people are offering her more money to move up on the list, trying to hint to us that she's willing to be bribed a bit!

Well, to say we were more than a bit put out by this is an understatement.
Not once prior to the meeting did she state that NO dogs were available and that she would not be having another litter until probably September 2007.

Breeders like this really get me.:mad:
The E (2003 AWD) ran great however and we got a chance to see what it was like on a long drive, nice and comfortable as we spent about 11 hours driving that day...

back to the dog hunt..

Dale

That's appalingly unethical. What a Cruella! Once the price threshhold is met, she should be basing her placement choices on what is best for the puppies. :mad:

Be careful about libel/slander if you start using names. Especially in print.

I would consider lodging a formal complaint with the national pug organization. Also a good idea to join the national and some local clubs and network.

Pugs are so popular I should think it would take great care to avoid bad breeders -- especially puppy mills. This breeder may be a jerk but at least she's not cranking litters out every few weeks.

Fortunately for Samoyed afficianados, our breed has an excellent national club, many very good locals and a supportive and protective community generally. Best of all, Samoyeds are not popular -- they rank very low in popularity. That is my preference forever. Would never want to see a Disney production of "101 Samoyeds"

Lots of dog shows in the spring, I strongly urge going to as many as you can - all breeds and pug-only -- to meet breeders and see pug lines that most appeal to you. Good pug breeders should look favorably upon you for being an experienced and enthusiastic pug person.

Good luck!

:)

When we got our Boxer, we had to go to the breeders house without the promise of a puppy.......We had to go to be interviewed by the breeder!!!!!!

It was a fairly tough interview......I did hear a story about this breeder....some guy had purchased one of her pups and couldn't pick it up so he sent someone else and the breeder didn't approve and sent the guy his money back!!!!

But we got our Boxer and haven't regretted it!!!!!

A good breeder does care about where dogs go, but, on the surface, it doesn't sound like this breeder was caring about the dogs, but maybe more about the money.

If you want a good dog from a good breeder, prepare to wait. Anybody flipping litters right and left, is less likely to be caring about how the dogs are bred and where they are going, unless they can prove otherwise. And I mean, they gotta be breeding national champions, because sometimes those breeders DO honestly have a lot of demand from quality buyers and other breeders for their dogs.

Pugs are a difficult breed to purchase. I have tried to help a couple of friends buy pugs, but in both cases, they wanted a dog NOW, so they bought from breeders I would not particularly have chosen. Both instances, the dogs never lived up to their expectations and had various problems--one a behavioral issue and the other a health issue. It was so unfortunate because both homes were great pet homes that a quality breeder would have loved to place in. But if you don';t have the patience to wait for that quality dog, you take your chances.....

I show and breed dogs and have done so for nearly 30 years. I have never waited less than 6 months for any pup I bought. In one case, I waited a year and a half, but that dog was entirely worth the wait. He is eleven years old now and by far the best dog I have ever owned--and I have owned a LOT of dogs.

Did this breeder take your money? If she did, get it back!

There are better places to obtain a puppy. Best of luck in that. I agree that looking at the kennels that produce show dogs in your area is a good place to start. Even if you have no plans to show, the litters produced by these kennels are going to represent the best of their breed to protect their reputations.

We found a great breeder for our Cardigan Welsh Corgi and she wouldn't even let me paypal her a deposit. She and her partner had my application and photos of our home & yard and asked some questions. They checked us out, big time. If you don't feel like you've been interviewed by a breeder, you need to find someone who cares so much about his/her pups, they wouldn't be sold to just anyone. The good ones aren't greedy, they just cover the costs of operating their kennel.

Hmmmm

I am not a fan of any breeder. Although they say that they are breeding animals to "further the breed" most of them are not doing that breed any favors. We have inbreed animals to the point where they get all the genetic problems but almost none of the wonderful inherent qualities.
I know this first hand as a vet tech and as an owner of an "Lethal White" Australian Shepherd that was breed by an ignorant or arogant breeder and has been deaf and partially blind from birth.

Would rescuing a pug be something you would want to do?

I am not a fan of any breeder.

I am a HUGE fan of my dog's breeder! I was privileged to be deemed worthy of Gidget. And it was not a given, I was interviewed, scrutinized and signed a contract with strict requirements on her care, living conditions and terms of disposition should I die. I remain in regular contact with the breeder.

And when Gidget began suffering bladder infections and I was spending $2000 on my vet , an internal medicine specialist and Cornell University lab tests (immune response, etc), the breeder was contacting her fellow breeder friends all over America and they are the ones who diagnosed the problem and prescribed the solution.

The problem was recurrent bladder infections cause by a "recessed vulva." Breeders advised letting her go through one heat cycle (the specialist concurred -- I planned on spaying her much younger but held off, on their advice, until one cycle). Sure enough -- the vulva finished developing after going through one heat cycle. Price: $0

Medical solution: episioplasty cost: $$$ and one very uncomfortable puppy, not to mention her mama's anxiety.

My vet says that subsequent pups with this condition have benefited from Gidget's experience and those breeders' assistance.

Like anything in life, there are good and bad examples. God bless the good ones.

I'm certainly not a better person for not being a breeder. I just get more sleep and have more money because I don't expend those resources on breeding and raising puppies.

This should not turn into breeder bashing. More important that buyers accept the responsibility for seeking out good breeders. That usually takes time. Start with the local breed clubs.

:)

I too was interviewed by my breeder before bringing home my little angel. It felt weird at first, but at least the breeder took the time to get to know me and inform me about basic dog care...(even if i already knew).
As for purchasing a pug, i'm not sure where you are located "cruise carter", but we have an excellent pug breeder here in Southern Ontario and i can send you the website if you are interested. Good luck and sorry to hear about your experience. At least the E didn't let you down :)

I am a HUGE fan of my dog's breeder! I was privileged to be deemed worthy of Gidget. And it was not a given, I was interviewed, scrutinized and signed a contract with strict requirements on her care, living conditions and terms of disposition should I die. I remain in regular contact with the breeder.


That's good.
A breeder that takes responsibility for the animals that they produce which includes breeding a minimum number of litters (not breeding every time the dog has a cycle), taking back any animal for any medical reason and providing a home for it if a new owner cannot be found, advocating spaying and neutering for 95% if not 100% of the animals that are sold, doing medical workups and screening for problems such as hip dysplasia and genetic heart conditions and keeping a detailed history of the sire and bitch and their lineage is better than a breeder that doesn't.
In my line of work I see some really bad things that are caused by breeders. Multiple cases of breeders breeding unfit and unhealthy animals sometimes until they die of breeding related issues (such as untreated pyometra) or that pass on unhealthy problems to offspring and they die from the problem.
I just see so much of this and to boot we have so many unwanted dogs and cats that we are just euthanizing for lack of homes.
I'm sorry but it just touches off a nerve in me.

All it takes is a little time and research to find a good breeder....and you can usually tell if they are good the first time you talk to them.

Taking an animal into your home is not something to jump into....You are making a long term commitment to the health and welfare of a friend.

I spent a long time researching before I bought my E and it's a vehicle....people should put the same thought into buying an animal that could possibily be with them for 20 years...

All it takes is a little time and research to find a good breeder....and you can usually tell if they are good the first time you talk to them.

Taking an animal into your home is not something to jump into....You are making a long term commitment to the health and welfare of a friend.

I spent a long time researching before I bought my E and it's a vehicle....people should put the same thought into buying an animal that could possibily be with them for 20 years...
I agree totally whether you are getting a dog of mixed-heritage or pure bred. Dogs (cats) are living beings. -g

That's good.
In my line of work I see some really bad things that are caused by breeders. Multiple cases of breeders breeding unfit and unhealthy animals sometimes until they die of breeding related issues (such as untreated pyometra) or that pass on unhealthy problems to offspring and they die from the problem.
I just see so much of this and to boot we have so many unwanted dogs and cats that we are just euthanizing for lack of homes.
I'm sorry but it just touches off a nerve in me.

Guess it depends who you call a "breeder". I know a "breeder" (I could think of other words for her) that breeds her ****er to pay it's vet bills because it's allergies are so bad. Now I have tried to be nice and "educate" this person, but story is, she bought a ****er and now is using it to get cash she can't seem to earn on her own. Sorry, she is not a "breeder", she is an idiot. Breeders a la ones that I refer to know better than to do these things, and you'd be hard press to blame you lethal white on one of them. These are not the folks producing your rescues. Believe me, they ARE NOT. Time for YOU to start making some distinctions instead of being unfair to anybody who cares enough to produce a litter of pups. I spend THOUSANDS of dollars breeding my dogs, and I can assure you, I have never come out financially ahead for the activity. I do it for the love of the dogs and the breed. And my dogs, their offspring, are extremely healthy. I know, because I still keep in touch with their owners, and all I hear is A+ across the board. It is very satisfying when done right.

Guess it depends who you call a "breeder".
Time for YOU to start making some distinctions instead of being unfair to anybody who cares enough to produce a litter of pups. I spend THOUSANDS of dollars breeding my dogs, and I can assure you, I have never come out financially ahead for the activity. I do it for the love of the dogs and the breed. And my dogs, their offspring, are extremely healthy. I know, because I still keep in touch with their owners, and all I hear is A+ across the board. It is very satisfying when done right.

I use the term that they give themselves. They are the ones who call themselves breeders and in doing so lump themselves in with reputable breeders.
And yes I can make a distinction between those that breed their animals for quick money using dogs that should never be bred and those who put more thought, time and effort into it.
But I still feel that there are too many unwanted animals out there and that creating more animals does not help the situation.
If you do all the things that I listed in my previous post, then you are a reputable breeder and I would say you should have a beef with all of those who are not.

little update on our search to add another member of the family..

In my original post, we were not pleased with the breeder we drove to see, contacted a number of other breeders, both of pugs and french bulldogs. Got the run-around by another frenchie breeder and spoke to a number of pug breeders with no success on finding the 'right' family member..

Saturday May 5th, drove 2 hours to meet a pug and frenchie breeder who had a litter of pugs that were 2 weeks old...her dogs were very nice, as was the breeder...

well, we fell in love with a black female pug who will be joining our family in mid-June! Our senior pug is again going to have a sister! :D

Dale

Oooooooooohhhh. Congrats to you and your family cruise_carter.

lwell, we fell in love with a black female pug who will be joining our family in mid-June! Our senior pug is again going to have a sister! :D

Dale

Awwwww! Congrats!

:)

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well, we fell in love with a black female pug who will be joining our family in mid-June! Our senior pug is again going to have a sister! :D

Dale

Congrats on the new arrival. I hope you find that the dog was of quality to be worth the wait. I do love pugs--they have SUCH character. And black is just adorable.

What an adorable girl!! I hope you're ready for the ride of your life! Black pugs are usually a bit different in temperament than fawns--a little more "busy" and mischievous. Especially the girls. Can't wait to hear more about her.

Kathy

Our female black pug that we lost to cancer in January of this year had what we called 'Pugatude'. We have other pugs in the immediate family and the blacks always have displayed that little extra attitude.

Here is another pic of our new girl (no name yet) using one of her brothers as a pillow.

Dale and Lynda

Cruise - that is a fantastic photo! Adorable!

:)

Sorry to hear of your loss to cancer. I know your pain. I lost my first pug to lymphoma 2.5 years ago and it still hurts.

Your girl is soooo cute!! Bet you can't wait to get her home.

Kathy