There is lots of great products out there but I have been a big zaino user for years with my Prelude. I originally got it because of the wipe on, let dry and wipe off with no buffing. It has never let me down and always long lasting.

My 2007 Black Element is at about 2000km so I decided to strip it and put on a couple coats of Zaino. Whatever the dealer used to detail it before pickup used was beading water when I picked it up but after only 1 month water was already starting to sheet on the hood. I have put one coat of Zaino on people's cars that were still beading water after 6 months.

My prelude was silver and the zaino always made it look good but it takes a black vehicle to another level.

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Man, you are good! I had a black Prelude once, but I sold it after only 2 years because I never could get itto look lik that. My E is Kiwi (new yesterday), so I will need to wax it soon. Maybe I should try Zaino. I have used Blitz wax lately, it pretty good too.




There is lots of great products out there but I have been a big zaino user for years with my Prelude. I originally got it because of the wipe on, let dry and wipe off with no buffing. It has never let me down and always long lasting.

My 2007 Black Element is at about 2000km so I decided to strip it and put on a couple coats of Zaino. Whatever the dealer used to detail it before pickup used was beading water when I picked it up but after only 1 month water was already starting to sheet on the hood. I have put one coat of Zaino on people's cars that were still beading water after 6 months.

My prelude was silver and the zaino always made it look good but it takes a black vehicle to another level.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/kaikara99/0301024x768.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/kaikara99/0201024x768.jpg

Ditto on Zaino, been using it for 7 years. That's on my to-do list this week -- the whole shebang, claying and three coats of Z-2/ZFX.

:)

I use Transtech Services' Clear Coat Express Detail Formula. Picture below is 1 coat applied. This is a liquid formula and is easily buffed off to a great shine.

Regards,

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The thing i love about zaino is there is no buffing involved. You simply apply the wax, wait minimum 30 mins and wipe off. I know that most synthetic waxes are like this. I used to be able to put a coat on and wipe off in under 30 minutes on my prelude (with a 30 mintue wait in between to relax). The Element takes a little longer as I need a step ladder to do the roof but it is still pretty quick. I have never used a conventional wax that last as long as a zaino (or any synthetic i would assume). I really think synthetic is the way to go if you are not into waxing regularly.

The downside of a synthetic is that the shine is more of a hard shell kind of finish. Natural waxes give the car more of a deep wet look that a lot of people like. The darker the car the more noticeible it is. I know a couple guys that put a couple coats of synthetic on and then a coat of natural wax overtop. You get the long lasting synthetic protection with the natural wax look. But for pure protection nothing is better then a synthetic wax.

The thing i love about zaino is there is no buffing involved. You simply apply the wax, wait minimum 30 mins and wipe off. I know that most synthetic waxes are like this. I used to be able to put a coat on and wipe off in under 30 minutes on my prelude (with a 30 mintue wait in between to relax). The Element takes a little longer as I need a step ladder to do the roof but it is still pretty quick. I have never used a conventional wax that last as long as a zaino (or any synthetic i would assume). I really think synthetic is the way to go if you are not into waxing regularly.

The downside of a synthetic is that the shine is more of a hard shell kind of finish. Natural waxes give the car more of a deep wet look that a lot of people like. The darker the car the more noticeible it is. I know a couple guys that put a couple coats of synthetic on and then a coat of natural wax overtop. You get the long lasting synthetic protection with the natural wax look. But for pure protection nothing is better then a synthetic wax.

I'll have to try it as my bottle of "Clear Coat" is about empty. I like a product that lasts a long time (if possible) and here in "Egypt" the sun is pretty harsh.

Regards,

Well if you want long lasting go with a synthetic wax like zaino. I don't know of any natural waxes lasting as long as a synthetic. I usually put a couple coats on before our long canadian winter and in the spring the water will still be beading on the hood even after all it has been through. If I was using a natural wax there would be no way to wax it in january unless you have a heated space to use. The other plus of a synthetic is that you can keep layering more coats to give you more protection. The no buffing is also a huge plus.

I was just reading that Zaino has a new product. basically a one step procedure - spray on let dry and done. It is getting good reviews from what I have seen. I might have to try some of that.

There is nothing that looks as good as a BLACK car, properly maintained. Your E is stunning!

I don't even want to think about it enduring a Canadian winter.
Do tell me you will keep it garaged beginning Sept. 1st, uhm'kay?

Well if you want long lasting go with a synthetic wax like zaino. I don't know of any natural waxes lasting as long as a synthetic. I usually put a couple coats on before our long canadian winter and in the spring the water will still be beading on the hood even after all it has been through. If I was using a natural wax there would be no way to wax it in january unless you have a heated space to use. The other plus of a synthetic is that you can keep layering more coats to give you more protection. The no buffing is also a huge plus.

I was just reading that Zaino has a new product. basically a one step procedure - spray on let dry and done. It is getting good reviews from what I have seen. I might have to try some of that.
Some good tips so far guys - but I definitely have a couple things to add...

There is no added protection when "layering" a last-step-product (usually a wax or synthetic sealer...most people just say wax anyway). While there is no added protection, it's still a good idea to always apply two coats - because you have a better chance of getting 100% coverage.

There have been many studies, and it has never been proven that layering is possible with todays products - so while three coats might LOOK better, you don't have any added protection.

Personally I use Meguiars, but there are many quality products out there - so I'm not one of those "USE MY BRAND OR ELSE" type of detailers.

Wax adhesion and coverage also has A LOT to do with surface prep and method of application - not just having a quality product.

As far as how long a wax lasts - there is no set time regarding anything, there are way too many variables...from paint prep to environmental perils.

I will tell you this though, water beading IS NOT a good way to tell if your paint has protection. Many things can make water bead, and only one of them is a good layer of protection on your paint.

Hope this info helps a little guys...and the black E does look very nice!

You make some good points.

As for water beading there is not really another way to tell if a car has a layer of wax still on it. If you do know another way let us know. The best protection is really regular application. But is some locations this is not possible for long periods unless you have access to a heated space to work in. From reviews I read and my own experience synthetics just last longer although the length of time can vary like you said. In my world where you can't wax your car for 4-6 months at a stretch this is important.

The layering of wax is up for debate. There are many people who are huge proponents of this. I personally don't have the time to put 15 coats of wax on my car anyways. In reality I don't think it will make much of a difference. 1or 2 coats of a good wax is fine for me.

Good article on some of the issues discussed above - http://www.autopia-carcare.com/inf-wax.html

There is nothing that looks as good as a BLACK car, properly maintained. Your E is stunning!

I don't even want to think about it enduring a Canadian winter.
Do tell me you will keep it garaged beginning Sept. 1st, uhm'kay?

Black is the best colour and the worst colour. I will take a picture of it in January covered in road salt if you want to see looking bad :D. This element is not going be stored. I can't wait fro the first big snowfall to try out the BFG AT KOs.

My 2007 Black Element is at about 2000km so I decided to strip it and put on a couple coats of Zaino.

What did you use to strip it before waxing?

You make some good points.

As for water beading there is not really another way to tell if a car has a layer of wax still on it. If you do know another way let us know. The best protection is really regular application. But is some locations this is not possible for long periods unless you have access to a heated space to work in. From reviews I read and my own experience synthetics just last longer although the length of time can vary like you said. In my world where you can't wax your car for 4-6 months at a stretch this is important.

The layering of wax is up for debate. There are many people who are huge proponents of this. I personally don't have the time to put 15 coats of wax on my car anyways. In reality I don't think it will make much of a difference. 1or 2 coats of a good wax is fine for me.

Good article on some of the issues discussed above - http://www.autopia-carcare.com/inf-wax.html

I always do at least two coats as well - just to assure even coverage. Multiple coats will give you a better look, but from my experience and from everything I have read it's not going to give you more protection. It's not worth arguing over either way - as the guy who spends the time layering his car with ten coats isn't going to listen anyway...:D

There is absolutely a way to tell if a car has a decent coat of wax on it - it's called the squeak test...this is rather lengthy, but good info regardless.

The following is from a guy who works for Meguiar's - Mike Phillips. Copied from Meguiar's Online Forums:

An accurate indicator of whether there is a protective wax coating on the surface of your car's paint or not is a test Meguiar's has been teaching for probably close to 50 years if not longer. We teach this at all of our detailing classes here at Meguiar's on Saturdays' also, it's called the Squeak Test.

Note: It's vitally important that you first wash your car before performing the squeak test, the paint needs to be clean and free from any dirt or dust. Wiping with a quick detailer may give you a false reading as most quick detailers add gloss and slickness, thus adulterating the test

Here's how you do it, you get a clean, soft 100% cotton terry cloth towel. In this case, I'm using Meguiar's new Ultra Plush Super Terry polishing towel.



Lay the towel out flat,



Then fold it in such a way as to ball it up, in my case, I fold each corner into the middle, and then repeat that a second time.



This gives you a ball of terry cloth toweling that provides a flat surface against your finish, plenty of cushion between your hand and the paint, and something for your hand to grasp onto.



Now, twist the towel firmly against your car's finish in a circular back and forth motion and listen...

If there is silence, and the towel glides and slips on the paint, then there is wax present.

If you hear a squeaking sound, (as in squeaking clean), then there is no wax present, (or very little) and it's time to apply more wax.

Here's how this works,

Your coating of wax acts as a dry lubricant, it creates slip and decrease friction, if there is wax present on the finish, your towel will slip instead of grab and you wont' here any noise, in other words, you won't hear any friction.


If thee is no wax on the surface, then the circular twisting motion will create friction and you will hear a squeaking noise.

Like Meguiar's Swipe Test, is a more accurate indicator of whether a wax has fully dried and is ready to remove, Meguiar's Squeak Test is a more accurate indicator of whether or not their is wax on the surface.

By the word wax, we mean anything that is intended to protect the finish, whether it's labeled polish, or paint protectant, or sealant, or whatever...

What did you use to strip it before waxing?

I personally use Dawn dish soap. There are other products that will do it from various manufacturers. This is why you never use household soaps to wash a car. It will strip any wax off the surface. You can never be 100 percent sure with just a wash that you are getting a extremely clean surface to work with. For that you really need to wash and then claybar the car. Whether you think it is worth it to take the time to do that is up to you.

Okay thanks! I'll be working on it this week ... I hope!! Yours sure looks great.

I personally use Dawn dish soap. There are other products that will do it from various manufacturers. This is why you never use household soaps to wash a car. It will strip any wax off the surface. You can never be 100 percent sure with just a wash that you are getting a extremely clean surface to work with. For that you really need to wash and then claybar the car. Whether you think it is worth it to take the time to do that is up to you.
Dish soap works - but you better be sure to wax/seal it the same day, because it strips it way down.
The clay bar also removes any and all above surface contaminants or wax/sealant...so if you clay you have to wax/seal as well.
I personally don't use dish soap, if I want to strip it down to bare paint I just clay bar - which is part of a full detail anyway.
It's nice to see guys genuinely interested in keeping their E's clean!

Thanks for the feedback. I've read a lot of threads on washing/waxing/claying and the more I learn the better. I'm just so SLOW when washing that I've been a little timid to start such a big job I guess ... but I'm getting there!

Most people are just not going to claybar their car unless they are really crazy about detailing so using dish soap is the best bet.

I used to go a little over the top with my prelude but I actually really enjoyed it. After winter on the first warm day I could I would wash, clay, wash and detail the engine bay, do touch ups on the paint and buff out any light scratching I could find, wash the car again, put first coat of wax on and while waiting for it to dry would clean and detail the inside of the car. Then I would remove the wax and put a second coat on and remove that. Basically, you were looking at a whole day to do. Now that I have a wife and kid I just don't have the time to do that anymore.

But is does pay back to keep your car clean. I sold my prelude this year just before I bought the E and it was mint. The engine bay was cleaner than the day that I picked it up. People realize that if the the car is kept that clean than you treated everything about it like that and it does pay back with a higher resale value.

I was sad to see the prelude go - here is one of my favourite pics.

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I didn't keep a whole lot of pictures from my detailing days, but here are a few...please keep in mind that some of these are mid-detail, so please ignore dirty tires and what-not...:rolleyes:

100% Meguiars products. The Lexus had VERY soft paint...it wasn't too swirled to start with.
The Mercedes was a nightmare, the owner went to town with a rotary and had NO CLUE what he was doing...not a good combo with a black car with soft paint. It came around though - after six hours of work.

Lexus GS350 Hood shot:
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Mercedes Lorinser S500 Various shots:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d77/Nathaniel129/Lorinser1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d77/Nathaniel129/LorinserBBallReflect.jpg
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Nice work Nathaniel! (and I love your avatar, btw. we're big "fuzz" fans here.)

Nice work Nathaniel! (and I love your avatar, btw. we're big "fuzz" fans here.)
Bucky is the BEST!!! As I'm sure you know, not a lot of people recognize my avatar, but those who do always say something.
Thanks for the compliment - detailing is sort of like therapy for me. I used to own my own business, but I just do side jobs for friends and family now.

Those pictures are amazing. I learned a lot from this particular thread, I guess I know even less then I thought about car wax.

I never knew dish soap was a "stripper". Could have saved me some money in Vegas....:-P All kidding aside, I've been stripping my cars for years without even knowing it.

I looked up Zaino and am dumbfounded by the product list. What Zaino 'combo' do you use?

Which Meguiar's do you like?

Do you guys have any repair suggestion on the paint that gets knicked off the door's edge? I'll do some thread searching, it's probably pinned, I'm a newb to the forums and the Element.

Aloha

If you are a beginner, I would go with Meguiar's Deep Crystal (DC) line of products.

This is a three-step process that includes a paint "cleaner" DC1 (not what you think, it's a liquid cleaner that must be used like a polish - worked into the paint it removes light swirling and other sub-surface defects).

The second step is a polish, DC2, which is just basically finishing off where the cleaner left off - it is polishing the paint, which is basically removing VERY SMALL amounts of clear coat to give you a smoother finish to apply your last-step-product (LSP).

The third step leaves you a lot of options - it's your wax or sealant step. There are so many options it's hard for a beginner to narrow them down. In my opinion, Meguiar's best consumer-level wax is NXT. It's a good all-around wax that will hide minor swirls if you didn't remove them, and best of all it's really easy to get off of plastic - which is a good thing for most people.

If you are really interested in getting more knowledgeable about detailing, check out meguiarsonline.com There is a really good group of guys on the forums over there - including some guys who actually work and teach classes for Meguiar's.

Always use a soap that is made for washing cars. They exist for a reason.

As for the Zaino products - if you are not huge into detailing and just want a coat of wax on there you can do that. You don't have to do multi steps. In my opinion it is better to get a coat of wax on there than not do it at all because of multiple steps and the time is involved.

As for what you would need from Zaino - I have the Z2 Pro Car Polish and Z5 Polish for Swirls and Fine Scratches. You can also get the Z-PC which is the paint cleaner and swirl remover as your first step. You really need to look at your car and decide whether or not the swirling needs fixing. The darker the car the more noticeable it is going to be. On my Prelude (light Silver) after using the Z5 wax you could not see any swirl marks so I never used a cleaner/swirl remover. They do have an all in one solution now which is getting good reviews but i have not used it. Might be a good alternative for someone who does not really want to detail their car but wants to get some wax on there.

Really detailing is a personal thing. Most people don't want to take hours to do the work so getting the basic protection of a good wax is the most important. Or you could take it to someone and pay them to do it.

Those pictures are amazing. I learned a lot from this particular thread, I guess I know even less then I thought about car wax.

I never knew dish soap was a "stripper". Could have saved me some money in Vegas....:-P All kidding aside, I've been stripping my cars for years without even knowing it.

I looked up Zaino and am dumbfounded by the product list. What Zaino 'combo' do you use?

Which Meguiar's do you like?

Do you guys have any repair suggestion on the paint that gets knicked off the door's edge? I'll do some thread searching, it's probably pinned, I'm a newb to the forums and the Element.

Aloha

Awesome info. Out in Kauai I don't have a lot of access to stuff so I may need to order it.

For general washing could I get some suggestions on the best washing tool to use, sponge or wash mitt or something else?

For drying what type of suggestions do you have?

Should I 'clay bar' the car before I get going with the Meguiar's three steps?

One last newb question, no washing or waxing in the sun right?

With the dark blue metallic I definately have some swirling. Our local Honda dealership offers free washes, the first step is one of those huge car wash machines, I have a feeling the previous owner used it quite frequently.

15 years ago I used to detail the heck out of my cars. Being so busy makes it hard but this process doesn't seem so bad.

Awesome info. Out in Kauai I don't have a lot of access to stuff so I may need to order it.

For general washing could I get some suggestions on the best washing tool to use, sponge or wash mitt or something else?

For drying what type of suggestions do you have?

Should I 'clay bar' the car before I get going with the Meguiar's three steps?

One last newb question, no washing or waxing in the sun right?

With the dark blue metallic I definately have some swirling. Our local Honda dealership offers free washes, the first step is one of those huge car wash machines, I have a feeling the previous owner used it quite frequently.

15 years ago I used to detail the heck out of my cars. Being so busy makes it hard but this process doesn't seem so bad.

My personal favorite for washing is Meguiar's NXT wash and a good quality chenille or lambs-wool wash mitt. Obviously, you would need a good brush for the wheels and tires - never use the one you use for the paint on the tires or wheels.

I use Meguiar's waffle-weave drying microfibers - but I saw some generic ones at Pep Boy's the other day that look identical to mine...and since the Meguiar's ones are hard to find, I would pick those up. Some people swear by the Absorber, so you can give that thing a try if you like. Whatever you use, just make sure it's 100% clean and free from abrasive stitching, as you will erase all your work of taking the swirls out.

I actually did forget to mention claying the paint before the DC 3-step process - so yes, that is something you should definitely do. Other than removing swirls (if you do it the right way), the clay bar is going to give you the most dramatic result. On light colors that don't show swirls, and with most people not caring much about swirls anyway, claying will be the most dramatic step.

Remember, once you go through all this trouble, you can pretty much erase all of it by going through an automatic car wash just once. Even the "hand car wash" places are no good - those towels and mitts they use are almost as bad as the brushes in the automatic washes.

As for ordering stuff - if you're going to order online, autodetailingsolutions.com is your best bet. The owner knows his stuff, and the customer service is GREAT. When I had my business, I ordered 100% of my supplies through him.
Hope all of this helps!

Thanks for taking the time to type out replies. I guess I wandered away from the Zaino conversation.

Do they sell Zaino at Napa, Pep Boys or Auto Value?

Not sure, but they do sell Meguiar's at those places - as well as Wal-Mart and large chain-stores like that.
Don't take this as a "don't use Zaino" post at all - I just have not used Zaino enough to give you a knowledgeable answer. Enough people swear by the stuff, so I know it's not junk. Just find something you like, have access to, and can use often and correctly and you will be happy!

Thanks for taking the time to type out replies. I guess I wandered away from the Zaino conversation. Do they sell Zaino at Napa, Pep Boys or Auto Value?

You should be able to find Meg's at WalMart or Checker Auto in Lihue. As far as Zaino goes, it's not available in auto parts stores or general merchandise retailers, however it is available here locally from: http://www.pakshak.com/

Excellent service and Ranney is very knowledgable about the products he carries. The Pakshak forum is a community of local detailing enthusiasts and you can find a lot of useful info on the boards. I wholeheartedly recommend Pakshak! :D

BTW, welcome to the EOC and be sure to check out the Hawaii section! There are already a couple of guys on Kauai that'll post every now and then.

Great Pics! Zaino is a rocking product. I have used their stuff for years on other cars. Guess I need to strip my E and get it detailed!

Kaikara, where are you buying your supplies?
I used to buy mine at the Barber's Chair in Square one back when I had my red Prelude.

The Zaino shine just got a whole lot easier. Check this new product out. You just put it on. No buffing, no wiping off. One step.

I'm going to order some.

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-CS

:)

Meanwhile, it'd been since last summer or fall that my E was Z'd so I had that one thing on my to-do list today. Clayed it (including the roof), three coats of Z-2 (with ZFX added), Z-6 (leftover from pre-Z-8 days) in between the coats and Z-8 to top it all off. Z-16 on the tires, Z-2 on the wheels and doorjams (had leftover and hate to waste, Z makes cleaning the wheels easier in the future).

Forget Chanel No.5, it's Eud de Z for me. Here's some oddball pics. Put the camera on digital macro and got an interesting result from the camera focusing on metal flake in the bright sun (90 degrees here today). You can see the Z permeating the sub-atomic paint particles... ;-)

And you can see my compadre, Gidget, was a diligent supervisor. Much as I like a shiny E, the limited sheetmetal on my GGM and lack of curves does not show off the shine like my Miata did (pictured here after a couple days of driving in the Cascades).

Will try for some more pics of the E later today.

Clayed it (including the roof), three coats of Z-2 (with ZFX added), Z-6 (leftover from pre-Z-8 days) in between the coats and Z-8 to top it all off. Z-16 on the tires, Z-2 on the wheels and doorjams

Dang! Did you start before dawn?!?

I must be getting really slow.:twisted:
But it does look gaw-jus! I think I remember when you and your intrepid assistant did this last year and posted about it.

Kaikara, where are you buying your supplies?
I used to buy mine at the Barber's Chair in Square one back when I had my red Prelude.

The last time I needed to buy stuff was awhile ago but I bought from Tom at http://www.carpolish.ca/ because you can't buy from Zaino direct in Canada. Email him at Tom@carpolish.ca for a price list.

He is located in Burlington so you can do a pickup if you want to. Easy to deal with plus he has the latest products.

I don't mean to hijack here, because I didn't use Zaino ... but the information I got helped me get a move on and make the car pretty ... here are a couple pictures. I used a clay bar for the first time and was surprised with how different it felt and sounded compared to the parts that weren't done yet. I hope the pictures show the reflection well enough that you can see I did a pretty good job for my first time (I've just washed and used Wax As You Dry before, with some Back to Black).

I used a clay bar for the first time and was surprised with how different it felt and sounded compared to the parts that weren't done yet. .

The clay bar's effect is astonishing. Interesting that you said that the clayed and non-clayed parts "sounded" different. On the grittier parts (lower door panels), I'm not sure what's more notable, the feel of the crud coming out with the claybar, or the sound.

Claying is a car care epipheny.

Fortunately, once every spring is proving sufficient.

You're MM looks terrific. Love that color.

:)

as much as I like Zaino, I may try the turtle wax ice products and see how they do. My Zaino stach is getting low so I am starting to look for other, cheaper options.

Particullary interested in the new liquid clay bar they have..."appears" simpler and easier. The ICE wax looks good to with the no residue feature. We shall see.

I too wanted to try Zaino, I swayed away because of cost and to be honest a little too confusing of a product line. I'm a pretty smart guy but the old Meguiar's STEP 1-3 routine works well on my over taxed noggin.

I bought the Turtle Wax ICE Clay bar, I am very curious to see how it works. I then went with the Meguiar's Polish and then the NXT Meguiar's wax. All of that still set me back some cash, albeit about half the cost of Zaino.

Zaino has that new product they are pushing, the no touch wax...I am curious to see how that goes. :lol:

I don't get when people say the price is that high for Zaino. I have a bottle of Zaino Wax that has lasted 3-4 years. You get a huge amount coverage out of a bottle - the 8 ounce bottle should get you 15-20 coats on a normal sized car - 14.95 seems cheap for this many applications. If you are using more then this you are applying too much. When you take into account that a synthetic wax lasts 3-4 times as long as a Caranuba based wax it pays for itself easily. Against other synthetics I can't speak too because I don't know how much you have to apply to get a full coat. Just because you get twice as much in a bottle doesn't mean it is going to last twice as long.

As for the product line being confusing. How is it confusing? They have their prep products (paint cleaner, claybars etc). Their waxes - Z-2 and Z-5 for clearcoat cars (you only really need Z-2). And their cleaning and maintanence products. Plus now they have their all in one solutions. Seems pretty simple to me. You don't have to use all their products and when it coems down to it all you need is the wax. I don't use their soaps, claybars, etc. It is easier for me to get them elsewhere.

Like i said before most people are just not going to do multi step solutions. The best thing for them is to get the best, longest lasting protection on in the least amount of time. They also are not going to wax thier cars every 2 months. A long lasting synthetic are the best for these types of people.

Zaino has that new product they are pushing, the no touch wax...I am curious to see how that goes. :lol:

The reviews have been pretty good so far. Do a search on google and you will get a few. I was thinking about getting some to try but then again I like doing things the old fashioned way.

The reviews have been pretty good so far. Do a search on google and you will get a few. I was thinking about getting some to try but then again I like doing things the old fashioned way.
Call me old-fashioned, but this product does not interest me at all. It might sound cliche, but if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

As for the price of Zaino - it's worth it. Even though I don't use Zaino, I know they put out a solid product - and they are a family business, so it's probably hard to keep costs down like Meguiar's or the other big guys.

Kaikara, you bring up a good point. When I looked at Zaino and saw their high price I did not actually do a quantification in my head about Zaino versus Meguiars versus actual usage. I will for sure try Zaino in the future as I spent 55 bucks on TW Ice Clay Bar, Meguiars Polish, and Meguiars NXT wax.

I only mentioned their confusing product scheme because it is still confusing and hard to remember even after you gently helped. Z2 versus Z5, yes indeed that is confusing, hard to remember and by the time you shuffle through all their Z iterations I am lost all over again.

The sad part is that I am a network administrator and work with numbers and horrendous version iterations all day long. :-P

A basic marketing tool is naming your products for easy brand identity. Big Mac, Quarter Pounder, Cheeseburger, etc is much easier then remembering that you like M2 (coke) with M5 (big mac) and a M8 (shake) or M9 (parfait). :D Then again, ordering a 'meal by the number' is much easier, so maybe Zaino should package up their items, so I can buy a Z Pack 1.

The best example I can lay out is the Callaway golf clubs. It started with the Big Bertha, then it grew to the Great Big Bertha and eventually The Greatest Big Bertha, not too shabby when old codgers go looking for the newest club.

So at day 1 we had Z1 I assume. Now we are at "Zaino - Spray on no wipe, leave it as you found it wax" which must be Z24+2*2 according to my calculations.
:grin:

so maybe Zaino should package up their items, so I can buy a Z Pack 1.



Take your pick:

Zaino Total Protection Show Car Kit

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/images/ZKIT-1.jpgRating: 5.00
Quantity in Basket:none
Code: ZKIT-1
Price:$84.70

Shipping Weight: 5.40 pounds

Zaino Ultimate Protection Show Car Kit

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/images/ZKIT-2.jpgRating: 5.00
Quantity in Basket:none
Code: ZKIT-2
Price:$116.95

Shipping Weight: 7.72 pounds


Zaino Maintenance Pack (Qty:2 Z-6 & Qty:4 Z-7)

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/images/z-mpack.jpgRating: 5.00
Quantity in Basket:none
Code: Z-MPACK
Price:$45.95

Shipping Weight: 5.60 pounds
Zaino Triplets (Z-AIO, Z-CS, Z-8 & 314)

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/images/z-trip.jpgRating: 5.00
Quantity in Basket:none
Code: Z-TRIP
Price:$72.95

Shipping Weight: 3.00 pounds

I guess I am just an idiot and I didn't spend enough time at the Zaino store. :lol:

Ok my question is if I go the Maguires 3 step do I need to claybar since the 1 step is a cleaner? If I do the claybar does it have any effect on the unpainted panels if I get it on them, or do you claybar them as well? Thanks in advance. Drew:)

not sure about the panels Drew. But they clay bar is awesome on remove little inperfections like bugs and crap that get stuck. I use every other wash and keeps it nice and smooth. The cleaner I believe gets out like swirls and stains. But please feel free to correctly me if I am wrong.

not sure about the panels Drew. But they clay bar is awesome on remove little inperfections like bugs and crap that get stuck. I use every other wash and keeps it nice and smooth. The cleaner I believe gets out like swirls and stains. But please feel free to correctly me if I am wrong.
This is true about the cleaner - it removes subsurface defects such as swirls and stains.
DO NOT CLAY THE PANELS!!! Only clay painted and the non-tinted side of glass. I hate to think of what it would be like to get clay off of plastic...lol

If you are claying every other wash, I hope you are waxing as well - clay removes all above surface material, INCLUDING any wax or sealant.

This is true about the cleaner - it removes subsurface defects such as swirls and stains.
DO NOT CLAY THE PANELS!!! Only clay painted and the non-tinted side of glass. I hate to think of what it would be like to get clay off of plastic...lol

If you are claying every other wash, I hope you are waxing as well - clay removes all above surface material, INCLUDING any wax or sealant.

yes I do go over with wax or sealent. It realy depends on how much time I have

yes I do go over with wax or sealent. It realy depends on how much time I have
Just wanted to make sure - a lot of people don't realize that it strips the wax or sealant off. Their paint feels so smooth and they usually figure it's good to go.

This is true about the cleaner - it removes subsurface defects such as swirls and stains.
DO NOT CLAY THE PANELS!!! Only clay painted and the non-tinted side of glass. I hate to think of what it would be like to get clay off of plastic...lol

If you are claying every other wash, I hope you are waxing as well - clay removes all above surface material, INCLUDING any wax or sealant.

Claying does not remove Zaino (polymer).

I've been claying and using Zaino for over six years so I am quite certain that I am not mistaken on that point.

Don't know about regular wax or other sealants.

not sure about the panels Drew. But they clay bar is awesome on remove little inperfections like bugs and crap that get stuck. I use every other wash and keeps it nice and smooth. The cleaner I believe gets out like swirls and stains. But please feel free to correctly me if I am wrong.
"Every other wash?" How often do you wash?

How many miles do you put on your E? I'm claying mine once a year and grit/crud is significant only on the lower doors and leading edge of the hood.

My Miata needed it in the spring and fall.

But I have the plastic panels so that probably cuts my need to clay in half.

Claying does not remove Zaino (polymer).

I've been claying and using Zaino for over six years so I am quite certain that I am not mistaken on that point.

Don't know about regular wax or other sealants.
Sorry, you are incorrect.
Claying removes anything on the surface - whether it be a contaminant or a wax/sealant.
How else would it remove contaminants if it didn't remove EVERYTHING above the clear.
Zaino polymer as you call it, is no different than any other synthetic sealant in the way it bonds to the surface. It is sitting on the surface of your paint, it does not, nor can it, penetrate the surface.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you are wrong.
Claying absolutely removes any protection you have on your paint...you are left with bare clear coat. (or a color layer, if you are working on a single-stage finish.)
This is why claying is the first step before cleaning and/or polishing paint. Any decent paint cleaner will also remove a wax/sealant.

"Every other wash?" How often do you wash?

How many miles do you put on your E? I'm claying mine once a year and grit/crud is significant only on the lower doors and leading edge of the hood.

My Miata needed it in the spring and fall.

But I have the plastic panels so that probably cuts my need to clay in half.
Most of the time claying is only needed on the horizontal surfaces of you car - this is where most of the fallout and environmental contaminants land on your car and bond with the paint. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, but for the most part claying is usually only needed on the horizontal sections.

Most of the time claying is only needed on the horizontal surfaces of you car - this is where most of the fallout and environmental contaminants land on your car and bond with the paint. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, but for the most part claying is usually only needed on the horizontal sections.


I try and wash every week. So about 2x a month it gets a real good clean

I try and wash every week. So about 2x a month it gets a real good clean
You sound like a good candidate for a spray or "quick" wax. It's not really a good coat of wax, more of a booster for those in between weeks or months...if you don't have the time for a full waxing or sealing.
These only work well when there is a good base to use them on - so I wouldn't say it would be a good choice after claying or cleaning/polishing.
I don't really have a set schedule on when I clay/wax/seal my paint...it's more about how the paint feels and looks.
For example, there is a lot of construction going on in my area, so I have been needing to clay every few weeks - the dust and overspray from a construction site can travel for hundreds of yards before settling on your cars paint.

Most of the time claying is only needed on the horizontal surfaces of you car - this is where most of the fallout and environmental contaminants land on your car and bond with the paint. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, but for the most part claying is usually only needed on the horizontal sections.

Most of the crud bonding with my paint is tar and it is kicked up on the doors by the tires.

Most of the crud bonding with my paint is tar and it is kicked up on the doors by the tires.
That's a job for a body solvent.

That's a job for a body solvent.

Claybar has worked just fine for removing tar from my cars. I've had no need for body solvents.

And I don't believe that claybars remove Zaino but will e-mail Sal Zaino to ask. Think I would have noticed on my Miata, which had so much Zaino on it all the time it looked liked it'd been dipped in crystal.

It's been my understanding that other than considerable elapsed time, the way to remove Zaino is isopropyl alcohol. But I've never needed to do that so haven't pursued it.

By the way, Zaino and other synthetics are frequently referred to as polymers to distinguish them from waxes. Is that in error?

Where did you acquire your expertise on polishes, waxes and clay bars?

By the way, Zaino and other synthetics are frequently referred to as polymers to distinguish them from waxes. Is that in error?

Where did you acquire your expertise on polishes, waxes and clay bars?
There are so many different slangs for waxes and sealants that it's hard to follow - even for somebody who was in the industry...lol
I am pretty sure polymers are present in all synthetics, so yes you are right...however, Meguiar's does have a Synthetic Sealant (M21) AND a Polymer Sealant (M20). I would love to tell you the difference - but I honestly can't! M21 is purple, I can tell you that...
Meguiar's Sealants (http://www.autodetailingsolutions.com/Meguiar's%20Professional%20Protecting%20Products.h tm)

I have been detailing cars for shows and restoration products for close to nine years, mostly as a side business. I did have an official mobile detailing business for a couple years, but I ended up going a different direction with my career.

It's more of a passion for me than a job anyway, just something I truly enjoy.

Anyway, please don't take any of my posts as negative, and I surely hope I don't come across as a know-it-all or demeaning in any way...I just want to help and guide people in the right direction.

Like I said before, I know Zaino puts out good products - I just prefer Meguiar's because I know the products well and am 100% confident in using them.

[quote=Like I said before, I know Zaino puts out good products - I just prefer Meguiar's because I know the products well and am 100% confident in using them.[/quote]

Zaino v. Meguiar's these days may eclipse Ford v. Chevy battles forty years ago. Well, probably not, my dad said those could get fierce. Have witnessed some passionate dustups though on polishes and waxes. Some so snarky that I avoided the topic for a long while.

There are so many products out keeping track and actually trying them extensively would be a full time job. Until this week I didn't know that Zaino had come out with two more major new products. Now I have to try them (cha-ching!).

I was introduced to Zaino and claying on the Miata forum in '01. For months I read these "Zaino zealout" posts exclaiming about their shines and I assumed their claims were probably exaggerated. And it all sounded so tedious.

Claying sounded crazy. Couldn't imagine rubbing Playdough on my car or that it would make a difference.

Boy did it make a difference. Claying should be universally acclaimed, regardless of the polish or wax used afterward.

Then I was introduced to the Corvette car care forum. Those are some serious shine devotees. Lots of Zaino zealouts there, too, which is why I perused.

After seeing my Miata's Zaino shine, a friend tried it for several months on his black Mercedes. He ended up going back to Meguire's Gold Class. A lot of people prefer wax on dark cars. His always looks sensational. But of course he works on it, a lot.

My experience with Zaino is that it is absolutely exceptional on light to medium metallic paints -- which are forgiving to begin with. So if a friend is looking at polish for that genre I'll recommend Zaino because I know it and can help apply it.

If I had a dark blue or black car (which I have no intention of ever having) I'd be looking harder at waxes and would recommend that to friends.

My most pressing immediate concern is finding new, white, plush high-quality 100% cotton towels for polishing and washing the car. Cannon-Fieldcrest, the standbys, went out of business.

Was such a Felix with the Miata, much more than with the Element (in my view, a dirty Element is like distressed leather). But I rarely took the Miata camping.

P.S. I e-mailed Sal Zaino and await an answer on the claybar question.

:)

True, everyone has their loyalties to a particular brand, product, and process when it comes to car care; there are a lot of "rights" and so few "wrongs".

Whether you're lazy or fastidious, whether you simply don't care or are a detailing freak, a fan of WAYD, Turtlewax ICE, Zaino, Meg's, Mothers, or whatever. I think we can all agree that doing something is better than nothing at all.

Quite honestly, the reason why I became a Zaino "disciple" after trying other products and after months of experimentation, Zaino in my experience, offered all the best of ease of use, protection, durability, clarity, and shine. I own NBP and IMHO, Zaino produces an exceptional and unparalleled finish.

Kaikara has shown it and I humbly submit my results.

Looks great!

What are you using on the cladding?

Looks great! What are you using on the cladding?

Thanks. The exterior plastic gets Mothers B2B. :)

I just now got off the phone with Sal Zaino, the creator and owner of Zaino.

I had e-mailed the other night to ask about points that had been raised in this discussion. He kindly called to answer my questions (re: the claying process, the Zaino claybar and its effect on Zaino polish).

So, first of all, kudos to Sal Zaino for displaying such a high regard for his customers and for personally assuring the integrity of his products. I'm not in the habit of e-mailing businesses about products but highly doubt that Mr. Honda, Mrs. LL Bean, Mr. Eureka Tent or Mr. Surefire would call. :)

Sal assured me that I have not been removing all the Zaino polish on my car when I claybar, assuming I have been following the directions for using the Zaino claybar. In other words, if I have been gently gliding the claybar over the surface, after "lubricating" it with a mixture of Zaino soap and water. [the Zaino site says that the claybar should "glide across your paint like a hockey puck on ice"]

Sal invoked a couple of analogies to describe how the Zaino claybar removes "contaminents" (such as the metal shavings in brake dust). He said the Zaino claybar -- used properly -- acts as a tweezer and that claying correctly is akin to shaving correctly (let the clay do the work, let the blade do the work). Anyone here who has clayed has felt and/or heard the crud coming out of the paint finish as the claybar slides over it.

In other words, I am no more stripping off all the Zaino when I clay than scraping off all my skin when I shave my legs.

Not all polishes or waxes are as durable as Zaino (nor are all claybars created equal) so let me reiterate that my experience is limited to Zaino products, as was this discussion with Sal.

If I was exerting too much pressure on the claybar and pressing it into the finish then, yes, he said, it could remove some of the polish. But I don't do that and that's not how claying is supposed to be done. The point is to gently glide the claybar and let it grab onto whatever is poking out of or adhered to the finish and let the clay pull it out.

Sal did not discuss another other manufacturer's products, which surely may differ in certain respects and quality. He spoke only of the Zaino claybar and polishes and his over 30 years of experience.

So use whatever you want and be happy. Sal didn't give me a stake in his company. I just like the stuff enough that since using it I haven't been compelled to try anything else so Zaino is all I can attest to. A lot of folks are getting great shines with other brands.

I am now going to order more Zaino claybars and the new one-step Zaino polish (you don't remove it or buff it, just apply it thinly and let it do its thing)

Cheers, all! :)


Zaino's "Z-18" claybar:
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-18&Category_Code=Zaino&Product_Count=17

tips on claying:
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SGCWC&Store_Code=Z

Frequently Asked Questions (re: Zaino)
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=FAQ&Store_Code=Z

Can't argue with that I guess!
I am just going off of my experience and what I have been taught for years - so thank you very much for that info.
I will still stick to my notion of waxing/sealing after claying, but I will take your info to heart as I'm sure Mr. Zaino knows a bit more than I...:-|

Can't argue with that I guess!
I am just going off of my experience and what I have been taught for years - so thank you very much for that info.
I will still stick to my notion of waxing/sealing after claying, but I will take your info to heart as I'm sure Mr. Zaino knows a bit more than I...:-|

I'm with you on always apply more polish after claying, Nathaniel.

That's when the finish is at its finest: freshly clayed and newly polished. After that I almost look forward to rain to see the water peel off the hood at 40 mph, because the finish is so slick.

Heck, I nearly always polish after just washing!

Zaino recommends polishing after claying because where the clay has pulled metal shavings and other detritus out of the finish it has obviously created a gap in the protective polish/wax. Sal's point, and mine, was that the clay doesn't pull all of the polish off the car.

This back-and-forth resulted in a nice chat with the ultimate Zaino-man, Sal himself, so I'm a happy camper!

And thinking some Zaino molecules have probably drifted away from my Element this past week so it's about time for more...

:)

I would also like to add that I think it's great that one of the owners actually called you - that fact right there is going to push me over the edge of ordering some Zaino to try for myself.
I put Zaino and Meguiar's in the same category - the other companies, I shall call them TW and M ;-) a category below. They don't put out junk, but in my opinion it's just not on the level of Zaino and Meguiar's.

Thank you for the friendly banter, it's nice to meet people as enamored with their cars finish as I am!

I would also like to add that I think it's great that one of the owners actually called you - that fact right there is going to push me over the edge of ordering some Zaino to try for myself.
I put Zaino and Meguiar's in the same category - the other companies, I shall call them TW and M ;-) a category below. They don't put out junk, but in my opinion it's just not on the level of Zaino and Meguiar's.

Thank you for the friendly banter, it's nice to meet people as enamored with their cars finish as I am!
Likewise. I will look forward to hearing your take on Zaino. You have a lot more experience with more products than I do so are better positioned to compare. :)

I'm sure you'll look closely at the product descriptions but just want to stress that Z-2 Pro is the highest gloss of their polishes (well, the new one-step apparently may exceed that, and Sal recommended topping off with that). Z-5 is is still very glossy but it has a dual function of filling in swirl marks so the story on the Miata and Corvette forums from those who had used both was that Z-2 was glossier. Z-5 is preferred by some people who favor the less plastic look of wax (I prefer to think of it as sheathed in crystal, but to some it looks like plastic).

Also, it was generally agreed that three layers was the threshold at which Z-2 really starts to show depth. Looks great after one but three is a milestone (can do that in a day by using the ZFX additive -- which is highly recommended, otherwise you should wait 24 hours between layers so they can cure sufficiently).

Maximum discernable depth was generally agreed to be around 5 or 6 applications of Z-2.

Between each layer of Z-2, I apply the Z-8 spray. That, too, is recommended by Sal and everyone I know of who has used Zaino extensively.

NOTE TO ANYONE READING THIS WHO HAS CONCLUDED THAT ZAINO IS CRAZY COMPLICATED (it really is not) whether or not you use Zaino or the cheapest Turtle Wax: use a claybar once. Just once. You will be amazed by claying.

Do it right, of course. And please post pics.

:wink:

The Wax/Polish/Sealant that I mentioned above has "clay" in the solution as a cleaner. Part of the "self-cleaning" aspects of many "cleaner - polishers."

Regards,

damn who though my sexy shiny black E all zainoed up would have prompted so many posts in the thread. :D

damn who though my sexy shiny black E all zainoed up would have prompted so many posts in the thread. :D

The Z-word in a car care forum is usually good for some vigorous discussion.

Thanks for getting it going...

;-)

The Wax/Polish/Sealant that I mentioned above has "clay" in the solution as a cleaner. Part of the "self-cleaning" aspects of many "cleaner - polishers."

Regards,

It might say something about removing above-surface stuff "like" clay - but clay by definition is not going to be in a liquid form. That TW Liquid Clay is junk - I tried it because a friend had it, and trust me - if you have used real clay the correct way, the liquid stuff just doesn't compare.

The main benefit of using clay is that you are removing the particles and they migrate INTO the clay, AWAY from your paint. That just cannot happen with a liquid product. I am not going to use a liquid that's chemically strong enough to remove those particles on my paint.

UPS man delivered my box of Zaino, two bottles on yesterday afternoon. The wife got the box and immediately frowned, saying "I might have known you got something for your car". I followed up with, no, I actually got something for you car. She's got a NBP Civic /06 and it needs some attention. I think it's only been waxed once since she's had it and that was by me. She got quiet! Real quiet and later said she was going to have have her car washed. By the time she does that I will have put a coat on the Tango Red Pearl.:-P

It might say something about removing above-surface stuff "like" clay - but clay by definition is not going to be in a liquid form. That TW Liquid Clay is junk - I tried it because a friend had it, and trust me - if you have used real clay the correct way, the liquid stuff just doesn't compare.

The main benefit of using clay is that you are removing the particles and they migrate INTO the clay, AWAY from your paint. That just cannot happen with a liquid product. I am not going to use a liquid that's chemically strong enough to remove those particles on my paint.


Ditto.

:)

UPS man delivered my box of Zaino, two bottles on yesterday afternoon. The wife got the box and immediately frowned, saying "I might have known you got something for your car". I followed up with, no, I actually got something for you car. She's got a NBP Civic /06 and it needs some attention. I think it's only been waxed once since she's had it and that was by me. She got quiet! Real quiet and later said she was going to have have her car washed. By the time she does that I will have put a coat on the Tango Red Pearl.:-P

That Tango Red is going to pop with Zaino!

Which products did you get?

I got the Z2. Two bottles of it and they threw in a free applicator. It professes the "Wettest-Looking and Longest Lasting Finish Protection In the Industry. Ultra-Gard UV Sunscreen Shield. Gives richer, deeper shine with multiple apps. We'll see.

I got the Z2. Two bottles of it and they threw in a free applicator. It professes the "Wettest-Looking and Longest Lasting Finish Protection In the Industry. Ultra-Gard UV Sunscreen Shield. Gives richer, deeper shine with multiple apps. We'll see.

Post pix!


Regards,

Will do. It's sprinkeling outside now and I might go out in the garage and do an app real quick while the wife is doing her mom's her. I need to finish up this Einstein bagel and my cup of java first. First cup I've had all week.

Ok, Ok, Ok, I'm back and I have my report. Zaino shouldn't have to toot it's own horn when they have people like hiker chick and now me. So I'll do it now. BEEP BEEP! This stuff if real nice! As you can see from my previous post I'm back not quite an hour later and I did have my coffee and bagel. Took me about 20mins to apply it to the Element and even less to take it off after the 15min wait. My stuff looks HARD! I mean my Tango Red was smokin' from the get go but now, it's really nice! It made the pearl in it really pop or stand out. I like the results. I got some on the black panel area and it came right off with no ill affects. No dust, no residue and as I was stooping down looking into my drivers door and saw my face in the Tango Red, I could have been a double for the devil:evil:! It was strange seeing my red face with my green eyes looking back at me. I'll post some pics soon. I want to apply another coat and then shoot it and post 'em. I used it sparingly too. I just let a few drops come out onto my applicator and then applied. I don't know about Zaino's claim of how many applications you can get out of one 8oz bottle. Other than that, this stuff is bad, and that's good! I've used a lot of products like Liquid Glass, McQauires(sp), Mothers, IBIZ, The Wax Shop, TW, I mean you name it and I've used it. I still like IBIZ and until I see how the Zaino stacks up in the weather, I'll still hold IBIZ as my number one but this stuff is looking like it could dethrown my regular product.

Ok, Ok, Ok, I'm back and I have my report. Zaino shouldn't have to toot it's own horn when they have people like hiker chick and now me. So I'll do it now. BEEP BEEP! This stuff if real nice! As you can see from my previous post I'm back not quite an hour later and I did have my coffee and bagel. Took me about 20mins to apply it to the Element and even less to take it off after the 15min wait. My stuff looks HARD! I mean my Tango Red was smokin' from the get go but now, it's really nice! It made the pearl in it really pop or stand out. I like the results. I got some on the black panel area and it came right off with no ill affects. No dust, no residue and as I was stooping down looking into my drivers door and saw my face in the Tango Red, I could have been a double for the devil:evil:! It was strange seeing my red face with my green eyes looking back at me. I'll post some pics soon. I want to apply another coat and then shoot it and post 'em. I used it sparingly too. I just let a few drops come out onto my applicator and then applied. I don't know about Zaino's claim of how many applications you can get out of one 8oz bottle. Other than that, this stuff is bad, and that's good! I've used a lot of products like Liquid Glass, McQauires(sp), Mothers, IBIZ, The Wax Shop, TW, I mean you name it and I've used it. I still like IBIZ and until I see how the Zaino stacks up in the weather, I'll still hold IBIZ as my number one but this stuff is looking like it could dethrown my regular product.

oops! we wanted pictures of her car!
:lol:

regards,

BEEP BEEP! This stuff if real nice! As you can see from my previous post I'm back not quite an hour later and I did have my coffee and bagel. Took me about 20mins to apply it to the Element and even less to take it off after the 15min wait. My stuff looks HARD!

Did you get the ZFX to mix in the the Z-2? ZFX allows you to apply three coats of Z-2 back-to-back, instead of waiting 24 hours for it to cure.

And if you haven't already, I very strongly recommend getting Z-8 (or Z-6), the detailing spray.

Congrats. Couple more apps and you'll be a certified Zaino Zealot.

:)

Naw, I just got the Z2 and I'm going to be happy with it for it for now and wait and see. I'll do two coats and if I'm sold, I'll get the detail spray but it looks like I'll be getting more product for sure. Love it thus far!

Peace!

I have used Zaino from day 1 and my 03 E shines like the day I picked it up. You can't go wrong with Zaino the shine is insano

I emailed Zaino about the product and what I did as far as using the Z2 and applying two coats which I've done thus far. Sal got back with me quick and gave me his TX number and when are the best times to reach him. This is what he wrote in his email to me and I've since ordered the ZFX as well. I should have it by Wednesday, no later than Thursday I would think, seeing that I order the last product and had it within 3 days.

Looking at the kit you get four bottles for mixing and a 2ml bottle of the ZFZ which is enough to mix 32oz of the polish. I should be in good shape since I have 16oz of product. I'll more than likely mix up the four bottles that come in the kit and have it on hand, ready to use. I'm impressed with the results thus far with the Z2 and can't wait to see what the ZFX does to enhance what I already have going on with it. It was raining all day yesterday when I applied my coats and I'm not pulling it out of the garage today either since its still raining. I'll post some pics when I'm done. Sorry Bofus! :cool: I know you want me to do it right and hopefully I can shoot some pics in high resolution for you as well.

Peace!

Zal wrote: ZFX is a very important part of the Zaino system and must be used...
ZFX is a special crosslinking, catalyzing additive for
Show Car polish. It is essential to use first even on brand new paint.

ZFX accelerator additive is to be used twice a year on an everyday car and once a year on
a show car. Also, please reapply ZFX additive after every ten coats of Zaino
polish(Z-2 Or Z-5 or both). ZFX will never remove Zaino. It will tighten up and
strengthen the polish system and increase the gloss. NOTE: ZFX is an incredible product and I found the more often you use it the better your paint will look.. I use it
all the time... but it's up to you...

I use ZFX everytime but my modus operandi is to periodically set aside a few hours on a weekend and do the whole shebang: 3 coats of Z-2 w/ZFX, applying Z-8 between each coat and finishing off with Z-8 (a very high quality detailing spray).

I give each coat of Z-2/ZFX about 30 minutes to dry, 20 if it's low humidity. (wipe a finger on the drying Zaino to see if it's ready to be removed).

While each layer is drying I'm usually cleaning out the inside of the E and washing the windows, doing the wheels (which also get any remaining Z-2/ZFX).

A simple wash (with Zaino soap) takes 30 minutes, including finishing off with Z-8 detailing spray.

I had let my E go since last fall. Will try to get to it again within the month and then another session this fall.

By the way, his name is "Sal." Cool that he contacted you so quickly.

:)

Thanks for the info Hiker Chick! Yea, it is Sal. I was so busy running in and out of the house trying to get it done. That my finga slip in the "Z" instead of the "S". Anyway, he gave me some useful info on the product, and got back with me in such relatively short turn around period I was surprised! In addition he added these comments: Below are just a few of the improvements.... 1. When mixed as per directions, you will not need to apply Z-1...
2. It will reduce the drying time, thus making the polish more user
friendly in damp environments...
3. It will increase the gloss factor and extend the durability level..
4. It will have an instant cure time, so you can immediately apply
multiple coats.. No more waiting between coats...
5. And more........

Like I said, I have two bottles of the Z-2 and have the ZFX coming within days. Again, we're getting much needed rain here in Indy and it deosn't look as though it will clear up until around Friday which is cool with me. Once I get the ZFX in, I'll mix up the bottles as directed and put on two coats but right now, I'm digging the look of my Tango Red Pearlwith just the Z2 on it. Hope to be ready to post some pics by Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. Can't wait for the wife to get her NBP Civic washed so I can hook it up real nice before we go on vacation. Looks like we may be taking that to Florida again this year instead of the Element. She wants the most MPG vehicle on this trip as last year since gas prices are what they are. We'll see what happens but none the less, I'll post pics of both when the jobs are dones.

Peace!

Once I get the ZFX in, I'll mix up the bottles as directed and put on two coats but right now, I'm digging the look of my Tango Red Pearlwith just the Z2 on it.

I'm going to keep bugging you about getting either the Z-6 detailing spray or the even higher quality Z-8 spray. ;-)

Believe it or not, it adds even more luster to the finish and that final spray process ensures that you'll get any Z-2 residue or water drops, etc.

And the towels you use are important. Very important.

You've probably seen on the Zaino site the emphasis on 100% cotton, plush, quality (i.e. not Wal-Mart) towels. Sal advocates white towels. The loft in quality cotton towels means can save you from grinding any grit into the finish. They are also far more absorbent (takes me just one bath towel to dry the entire Element).

I use hand towels with the Z-8 (or Z-6) spray. A full size bath towel will remove two or three coats of Z-2 (resist the temptation to apply it heavily, less really is more with the Zaino products). So a couple bath towels and three or four hand towels and you'd be well set (I use a hand towel to wash the Element, too).

Final note: Zaino recommends, strongly, that the towels only be washed with liquid soap. No powders. Powder that remains in the towels could scratch the finish.

The first several times I used Zaino, I had the web page directions and "tips & tricks" printed out and next to the wash bucket so I got it all done right. Especially in regard to the claying, which must not be screwed up.

Now, it's all a piece of highly polished cake.

:)

When are you going to post some pics of your Element with Zaino? Like I said, I'll probably get more product after I get the ZFX. I use soft, very soft cotton cloths on all my cars, the Element, the Civic and the police package Crown Vic. I used the Z-2 very sparingly. Very thin coat and rubbed it in until there was a very light haze to it. Left it on for about 30min's and removed it and there was no residue what so ever. This is the only type of products I like to use where there isn't any powder or dust residual. We'll see. Like I said, when I like somthing I usually will get other products to maintain it as those products typically help what you have last even longer. What I need to do is find a local distributor.

Chozn, get the detailing spray...trust me.

Your darker colors will look fantastic with it. Its harder for me to tell on my accord with its sand metallic, but that detailing spray at the end makes all the work seem much more worth it.

Unfortunetly I drive too far and too much to complete Hiker's process in "a few hours." The few times I did the whole process with just 2 coats, it took me damn near 6-8 hours cause I had so much grime to get off. It took me from sun up to sun down if I clayed.

Now I just try to get 2 full coats on during one season. But even basic washes at the local high end auto wash, I come home, get out the porter cable 7424, mix my z-2 w/ ZFX...wax...buff...Z-8 and done.

Let me ask this, which spray should I get? The Z-6 or the Z-8. I don't want to keep ordering and ordering if you know what I mean. I have the ZFX enroute and should have it either tomorrow or Wednesday. I had thought about getting the spray but I've heard the Six and the Eight and I'm not going to get the entire product line. Sal sez Z-8 for special occasions and Z-6 I guess for daily usage. Which way should I go?:?

Let me know and I'll go ahead and pick something up. I'm hoping to be able to use the Z-2 W/ZFX and a spray and be done with it. Also can you mix up the bottles ahead of time and have them on hand or should the mix be done at time of use?

Thanks!

Sal sez Z-8 for special occasions and Z-6 I guess for daily usage. Which way should I go?:?

Let me know and I'll go ahead and pick something up. I'm hoping to be able to use the Z-2 W/ZFX and a spray and be done with it. Also can you mix up the bottles ahead of time and have them on hand or should the mix be done at time of use?

Thanks!

Z-8 -- it's the new and improved. It's the only spray you need.

I wouldn't use it everyday. Only after washing or polishing the car.

You'll never "be done with it."

;-)

:-D I hear ya on all I'll need and never being done. When are you going to post some pics of your Element Hiker Chick? I want to see your stuff in all it's splendor!

I think either spray is fine personally.

As far as premixing...you cant. In fact the directions will tell you to toss the whole container if its mixed more than 24 hours...I do believe.

Let me ask this, which spray should I get? The Z-6 or the Z-8. I don't want to keep ordering and ordering if you know what I mean. I have the ZFX enroute and should have it either tomorrow or Wednesday. I had thought about getting the spray but I've heard the Six and the Eight and I'm not going to get the entire product line. Sal sez Z-8 for special occasions and Z-6 I guess for daily usage. Which way should I go?:?

Let me know and I'll go ahead and pick something up. I'm hoping to be able to use the Z-2 W/ZFX and a spray and be done with it. Also can you mix up the bottles ahead of time and have them on hand or should the mix be done at time of use?

Thanks!

I think either spray is fine personally.
As far as premixing...you cant. In fact the directions will tell you to toss the whole container if its mixed more than 24 hours...I do believe.

Agree that either spray is fine. Z-8 is better. And I mix up the ZFX just before I use it (shake the vial for 90 seconds, or until clearly mixed)

Zaino has meticulous directions on its web page for each product. I strongly recommend printing those out and studying them carefully before and while you are using them. Here are some excerpts from Zaino's instructions for using the ZFX additive:


For optimum results, use ZFX™ within 6 hours of mixing.
Throw the mixing bottle and any unused polish contents away after 12 hours.
Apply no more than three coats of ZFX™ in a 24 hour period.


ZFX INSTRUCTIONS

Each ZFX™ kit comes with a 2ml vial of accelerator mix and several 2 ounce mixing bottles. A single ZFX™ kit provides enough mix to accommodate up to 32 ounces of Zaino Show Car Polish (Z-2 PRO, Z-3 or Z-5 PRO).
Pour one to two ounces of Show Car Polish into a 2 ounce mixing bottle. For each ounce of polish, add 4-5 drops of ZFX™ (no more than 10 drops for two full ounces), screw the cap back on, and shake vigorously for 60 to 90 seconds.
While you get your towels and applicators ready, allow the ZFX™ enabled Zaino Show Car Polish to sit for thirty seconds so the ZFX™ can begin activating the polish. Give the applicator bottle a final shake for 10 seconds before using.
Apply Zaino Show Car Polish enabled with ZFX™ with a 100% cotton cloth applicator. Use the polish sparingly. A small amount goes a long way, and you will be applying multiple coats.
Squirt a dime size dab of polish on your applicator and rub it into your paint using circular hand motions. Then, go over the same area using a straight back and forth motion on top panels and an up and down motion on side panels. Allow the polish to haze over for 20 to 30 minutes.
Buff off the Show Car Polish residue with a high quality, 100% made in the USA cotton towel.
After buffing, spray the car with a light mist of Z-6™ Gloss Enhancer detailing spray. Z-6™ will help buff away any remaining residue and enhances the brightness of the finish. Using Z-6™, the next coat of Zaino Show Car Polish will apply even easier.
You're now ready to apply your next coat of Zaino Show Car Polish enabled with ZFX™. There's no need to wait. Simply repeat steps 4-7 above one more time. Apply no more than three coats of ZFX™ in a 24 hour period. For optimum results, use ZFX™ within 6 hours of mixing. Use a fresh cotton buffing towel for removal of each coat. When you are finished polishing, wash the mixing bottle inside and out with a heavy concentration of liquid dishwashing detergent or even better Isopropyl Alcohol and thoroughly rinse. The ZFX™ mixing bottles cannot be reused if the polish remains in the bottle for more than 12 hours. After 12 hours, it is not possible to remove the ZFX™Throw the mixing bottle and any unused polish contents away after 12 hours. accelerator from the mixing bottles.
ZFX™ Flash Cure Accelerator Additive (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX) should be used with Zaino Show Car Polish (Z-2 or Z-5, Z-3 for non clear coated) twice a year on an everyday car and once a year on a show car. Also, please reapply ZFX™ Flash Cure Accelerator Additive (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX) after every ten coats of Zaino Show Car Polish (Z-2 or Z-5, Z-3 for non clear coated). ZFX™ Flash Cure Accelerator Additive (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX) will never remove Zaino. Also the NEW ZFX™ Flash Cure Accelerator Additive (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX) is an incredible product and could be used as often as you like... it's up to you. It will tighten up and strengthen the polish system and increase the gloss.





Z-2 APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS

A little goes a long way. We've engineered Z-2 PRO™ to be extremely efficient. While applying Z-2 PRO™, do your best to apply very thin, even layers. As you become more familiar with the product, a single eight-ounce bottle will do a Corvette 20 times. Remember - when in doubt, use less.
If your car's surface isn't in optimal condition, take the necessary steps to correct any imperfections before applying Z-2 PRO. For best results, always precede an application of Z-2 PRO™ with a Z-7 Show Car Wash (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z7). This will ensure the surface is free of any contaminants or incompatible oils/deposits. Z-2 PRO™ contains no cleaners, and no abrasives, therefore the surface must be in good condition before you apply Z-2 PRO™.
For your initial application, enable Z-2 PRO™ by mixing with ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX) as directed by the instructions included with ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX). It is critical that you use ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX) with Z-2 PRO™ for the initial application, or if multiple layers are to be applied within a 24 hour time period.*
Apply a thin coat of Z-2 PRO™ to your entire car using a 100% cotton cloth or applicator pad. Heavy rubbing is not necessary. Remember: Z-2 PRO is extremely concentrated. 1 oz of Z-2 PRO can do the average sized vehicle 1 to 2 times including the rims. Less is better. Use as little product as possible.
Allow Z-2 PRO™ to haze (this should take 10-15 minutes in normal conditions), then by using a clean, 100% cotton, made in the USA towel to buff off Z-2 PRO™ and reveal the hidden beauty of your paint. NOTE: Z-2 PRO™ is extremely durable and should provide at least 6 months of protection for your vehicle. If your goals are maximum shine and maximum protection on everyday vehicles, we recommend 3-4 applications per year. For show car owners, multiple coats will provide the wettest-looking, deepest, most distortion-free finish you can imagine.
* Note regarding ZFX and Z-2 PRO™ : For a more dramatic appearance and improved durability, Z-2 PRO™ can be layered multiple times. We recommend no more than 3 layers be applied over a 24-hour time period. Whenever you layer Z-2 PRO™, you must activate it with ZFX. For additional information, refer to the ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator page (http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFX).

So that others don't have to do multiple orders, if you're going to get started on Zaino, and have never clayed your car before, here's my recs for what you should start with. It's not cheap, but if you follow the directions (i.e. less applied = better results) then it will last a long time. I'm listing the products in the order that you would use them:

Z-18 claybar

Z-7 soap

ZFX flash cure (mixes with Z-2)

Z-2 PRO polish

Z-8 detailing spray (you would use this at the end and between
each layer of Z-2). If you want to save $10, use Z-6 spray.



Zaino's $2.50 applicators are not my favorite as they absorb product and are bulky for my hand. I prefer to just cut pieces of cotton cloth, about the size of a washcloth, and apply the Z-2 with that, turning it frequently.

In addition, I really like the tire dressing (Z-16) and if you want to get your windshield as clean as clean can be, Z-14 glass polish (I use a Porter-Cable polisher with this glass polish). The glass polish makes removing old stickers a cinch, too.

I had a leather interior in the Miata and for cleaning and conditioning that it's hard to beat Zaino's Z-9 and Z-10, which will make the leather smell new again. Really. Works on vinyl, too. I use it on the E's dash and doors.

Print out the directions listed with each product, as well as the FAQ's and "Tips & Tricks."

The ZFX makes a big difference. I'm sold! I should have the Z-8 on Monday and will go over the entire ride with that. Can't wait to go for a ride this Saturday in it, all cleaned up and glistening! Sweet!:razz:

OK, my good people, I finally took some pictures of the Element after using the Zaino and I'm sold. I sent some pics to Bofus, Dom and Dance in email and Dance liked what he saw. This is after only two coats of the Z-2 w/ ZFX added to the mix and followed up by Z-8 spray detailer. I also did the wifes Civic (NBP) EX and that thing is poppin'! She is the type of person who could really care less but after I put two coats on hers after doing the Element, all she's talking about now is that she wants a few more coats on hers. She said she's never seen it look so good and people are looking at it as well. She also drove thru a sprinkler system when driving past a KFC and she was pissed that the water got on her car as she drove by the joint but there is no signs or evidence of water hitting the car. I'll probaly put two more coats on her this weekend and do the TRP again as well but again, I'm sold on this stuff. The old saying you pay for what you get, and you get what you pay for. Mixing up the 2oz in the bottle that comes with the kit and adding 10 drops of the ZFX will do my entire E, plus the wheels, two times. I only mixed up half a bottle for the Civic with 4 drops of the ZFX and I covered it twice. This stuff is good!

So peep the pics and let me know what you think.

Peace!

Looks good! You are going to have to hide those "privates" a little more on that squatting side view :???: due to the extreme reflection.

Just kidding on the "privates."

Regards,

Few more shots and I hope their not dupes.

Wow!!!! Great shots everyone. Unreal. You've got me sold on Zaino.

Chozn -- that looks terrific!

Please post pics after the 5th coat -- typically the layer that shows max depth. (and pics after the 10th, 20th, of course...)

It's highly addictive.

And doesn't Z-8 smell great, too? :)

Are you using Z-8 between each coat of Z-2?

And are you reading and re-reading the Zaino web page? There's so much info there.

I just got back a couple hours ago from camping so my GGM is in dire need! Going to be at least a week before I can get to it, though.

The Z-8 smells like peaches to me. I mean when I sprayed it, I immediately thought of a big peace of Geogia pie from this little place down in Macon I got some years back. It smells so good! I was going to bring that up. I have but only two coats on the Element at the moment and two coats on the '06 NBP Civic and it really looks good! The blue metal flake in it really pops out of the black. I'm not going to be able to put any more on the Element for a while. I have vacation I'm leaving for mid week and I'll be gone just over a week and when I get back, it's state fair time and I'll be there for all 13 days. Since we're taking the Civic on the trip, I'm hoping to add two more coats on it before we leave but it may be impossible to do since I'm working up until we leave. Time is short and limited.

Anyway, thanks for all the help hiker chick on the Zaino product and thanks everyone on the compliments. Oh yea, just for S&G, I put some on the deck lid of my patrol car and it's amazing how it looks! The only reasom I'm not going to do the entire car is that I'm turning it in soon for my neighbor to have as his first patrol out of the academy and I can't justify the expense of this product on a state owned car. It's good stuff!

This product is easy to use, smells good, the results are significant after first application, and if you need info or make an inquiry, Sal will get back to you almost instantly. Great customer support and fast shipping. I probably will never, ever use another product.

Peace!

Oh yea, just for S&G, I put some on the deck lid of my patrol car and it's amazing how it looks! The only reasom I'm not going to do the entire car is that I'm turning it in soon for my neighbor to have as his first patrol out of the academy and I can't justify the expense of this product on a state owned car. It's good stuff!


You have got to Z your new patrol car!!! How cool that would be.

The car afficianados you pull over may even admire your shine. ;-)

What color(s) is the car?

:smile:

Just ordered a bunch of Zaino stuff, plus the two leather things for a friend (seriously, she drives a BUICK but if it's gotta be a byueee it might as well look good!). I'm eager and yet a little apprehensive cuz I don't always have a lot of staying power for cleaning. :twisted: Hoping the results will keep me going!

Just ordered a bunch of Zaino stuff, plus the two leather things for a friend (seriously, she drives a BUICK but if it's gotta be a byueee it might as well look good!). I'm eager and yet a little apprehensive cuz I don't always have a lot of staying power for cleaning. :twisted: Hoping the results will keep me going!
You will be hooked! Fortunately, the results are long-lasting. So stick with it for 5 or 6 coats (takes me 4 hours to wash, clay, wash again and apply 3 layers of Z-2, spritzing with Z-8 between each coat and at the end. Also manage to sweep and wipe down the interior and do the wheels while Z-2 coats dry) to see the maximum result and then you don't need to do any more polish for a few months, if that's your preference. Just wash and spritz with Z-8 now and then.

Kind of neat to see that rain peeling off the hood at 50 mph.

:)

hiker chick, i just reviewed this whole thread and don't think i found the answer to ... what do you do with your cladding? any treatment after washing?

Naw, I like my neighbor, and I like my patrol car too but I'd rather use the Zaino on my Element and my wifes:rolleyes: Civic than put it on my stripe (what we call our patrol cars). When I get my new one, and it will be white vs black, I then may decide to hook it up with the Zaino but in the meantime, the Crown Vic gets no love :shock: ! I'll continue to use my IBIZ on it until I turn it in for the new recruit. :grin:

hiker chick, i just reviewed this whole thread and don't think i found the answer to ... what do you do with your cladding? any treatment after washing?

I haven't done anything with my cladding. The new Zaino product supposedly works on plastic but I'm happy with the status quo.

Looks fine to me.

OMG you don't treat the cladding?? It must be SO jealous of the paint! It told Honda you don't treat it and now they paint the panels so people will treat them the way you treat yours ... hahahaha ... okay, I'm really just teasing. The black panels may age/wear a little worse than the gray, cuz I'm certain you'd be treating them with something if they looked like mine! Thx for the response though - can't wait to show off my Z-shine when I get the goods!

My order is Out For Delivery! Hooray!

The first wash is with Dawn, to get ready for the clay bar, but what do you wash with the second time? Z-7?

My order is Out For Delivery! Hooray!

The first wash is with Dawn, to get ready for the clay bar, but what do you wash with the second time? Z-7?
Precisely. After that initial wash with Dawn, which removes any old waxes, then it's Zaino Z-7 going forward.

It's interesting to have your entire car smell like the kitchen sink.

Strongly recommend printing out all the relevant directions, Tips & Tricks, etc, for each product you are going to use. Especially study the claybar information.

Highlight and underline the critical information and have it with you when you're doing all this the first few times so you can quickly reference and not guess on the fly.

Soon it will be rote.

DO YOU HAVE HIGH QUALITY 100% COTTON TOWELS? If they're not new and have ever been washed with powder detergent then you should re-wash them with liquid detergent and only use liquid in the future. I bought new Fieldcrest towels but it was spendy. (Fieldcrest-Canon have since gone bankrupt)

You're going to need several towels the first time out as you'll be washing the car twice (Dawn and then with Z-7 after you've clayed). Wash with a hand towel (or two -- I use one for the dirtier lower sections and one dedicated to the less grimy upper sections), use Z-8 with a hand towel (spritz-wipe, spritz-wipe), remove the Z-2/ZFX with a bath towel and, of course, dry after the two washes with a bath towel.

My towels are 5-6 years old, so at least good ones do last awhile. I keep them segregated in a duffle.

Good luck!

:)

I don't have the right towels yet but am still working on it. Did you cut the edges off as recommended on the site? I'm curious how much fraying happens - they say it's not a big deal.

Thanks for all the info. It'll still be awhile before I get to it so I'll keep reading on the site!

I don't have the right towels yet but am still working on it. Did you cut the edges off as recommended on the site? I'm curious how much fraying happens - they say it's not a big deal.

Thanks for all the info. It'll still be awhile before I get to it so I'll keep reading on the site!

I just tore the tags off. And I make a point to fold and re-fold the towels so I'm not using the edges.

Recommend three full-size bath towels, two hand towels (not washcloths) for washing and two handtowels for Z-8. And you'll need a soft cotton cloth to apply the Z-2 with. Can't tell you where I got mine -- it's a soft not terribly absorbent cotten cloth that I cut into pieces.

My daughter's Civic after some time in poppa's garage. Black is fantastic but only when clean and detailed!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/WWCD/DSC01682copy.jpg

Regards,

Towels...
Any reason to go with or not go with the popular 'microfiber towels' that I see everywhere right now? I know what Zaino says, and I know they will last a long time, but sliding another $40+ past my wife and through the budget for towels after my initial '$100 on wax, for the car!?!?' might be a little tough. I want to do whats right, but cost effective as well.

Cant wait to see my results though, my Total Protection Car Show pack arrives tomorrow.

Personally I use cotton baby diapers for removal of the wax and application of Z8, etc. You could also roll it up into a small ball to use as the applicator. They are hard to find in the age of disposables but I found them at a large walmart. I find them small enough to keep nicely folded, they are light and easy to use. Never had a problem with them.

I use the microfiber with my Zaino and I think they work just fine.

Zanio is not a wax. Its a polish system. I have used it on my 94 Mustang for years. Then our PT cruzr and now my 07 Rootbeer SC. There is nothing like it on the market. I have tried Mothers Turtle Ice and others. The Zanios makes gives you a coat like never before. The new product is AIO that is just a one step. It is great. If you don't want to spend a whole day on your car. You can read about the system on their web site. :rolleyes:

I spent the day working with Zaino and I am really pleased. I got a late start, but, went from 0 to 2 coats of Z-5 in about 6 hours. It was not nearly as difficult as it is intimidating.
The silver does not quite clean up to the tune of the dramatic pics of a black vehicle, but to my eye it looks quite nice. Now that I have spent the initial time, maintenance should be pretty easy. I'll get some pics later. It was dark when I finished.

To all who are interested but have yet to pull the trigger, go ahead. The nicest part is that my $100 box of stuff looks almost untouched. Everything all goes a long way.

It was not nearly as difficult as it is intimidating.

Glad it worked our for you, Mayberry. As with everything, it gets a lot easier and more efficient with time.

After a few coats of Zaino, it's so easy to maintain the nice finish. Even just a quick wash and Z-8 spritz will look terrific!

It will accumulate less dust, water rolls off easier... a hard rain alone will clean it up pretty well.

Look forward to seeing pics.

:)

I think I will be getting some Zaino next week for after my handwash.

I went back to Zaino earlier this year when Z-AIO, CS and Z5pro came out.
Great durability and better looks than the old stuff.
My main beef with it now is it allows water spots more than a lot of my other waxes and sealants.
I may be removing it from our vehicles soon and going to another line. I really hate water spots (rain, not sprinklers).

Humans have experienced many phases in history. Such as the Bronze Age. Until Saturday, my Element was languishing in what will forever be known as: The Dirt Age. Hadn't washed it since June 2007.

Shameful. For several weeks I've been waiting for weather to cooperate with my schedule and this weekend it did. Took two washings before I was comfortable running a claybar over it. Surprisingly, it really didn't need claying and the nearly pristine claybar is in a baggie waiting use later this year. Did 3 coats of Z-2 PRO with ZFX. Detailed with Z-6 between each coat and the finale was Z-8. The wheels which were quite nasty cleaned up easily with a soft brush. That's probably because I've been putting Z-2 on the wheels since getting it in '04. So finished the wheels off with Z-2 this time, as well. And Z-16 tire dressing for the final exterior touch.

Took the Loadwarrior roof basket off to get three good coats on the roof and also to increase gas mileage (2 mpg is reputedly lost with the basket) this year as we're going to be roadtripping a lot.

Sometime in the next month I plan to put Zaino's new product, Z-CS Clear Seal. It's supposed to be the Uber Shine. And -- drumroll -- it's designed to go on plastic cladding, too.

That'll be a before and after pic worth taking.

Here's the E today after bikejoring with Gidget.

HC, great job! Just reminded me we have not really washed ours since we purchased it at the end of July 07.

Seeing Gidget in her clean Element is priceless. Thanks!:)

HC, great job! Just reminded me we have not really washed ours since we purchased it at the end of July 07.

Seeing Gidget in her clean Element is priceless. Thanks!:)

You can get away with a dirty E when it's silver. Galapagos Green is amazingly forgiving, too. I knew it was dirty but was stunned that I had to wash it twice, using two buckets!!

The polished surface, smooth as a newborn puppy's belly, is pretty sweet.

It's going to rain tonight and the drops will slide right off.

:)

I bought all the products but still haven't applied any to my 03 Blue E. It has taken a beating out here in Kauai. It is just too much fun to beat on this car.
:evil:

I use to use this back when I lived in Arizona. Any idea how I can get it to Alaska? I've tried to contact them before and heard nothing. :-(

I use to use this back when I lived in Arizona. Any idea how I can get it to Alaska? I've tried to contact them before and heard nothing. :-(

I'm surprised they've been non-responsive. Sal Zaino personally called me and he recently personally replied -- within minutes -- to a friend of mine's e-mail query.

I urge you to try again.

Where in Alaska are you? Zaino has gotten easier to buy in the past few years as they finally take credit cards (used to have to mail a check).

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I'm in Anchorage and no longer out in the bush so shipping is much easier that's for sure.

I'll try again. Keep your fingers crossed. Otherwise I'll have to ship it to someone in the Lower 48 and have them ship it up to me.

I'm in Anchorage and no longer out in the bush so shipping is much easier that's for sure.

I'll try again. Keep your fingers crossed. Otherwise I'll have to ship it to someone in the Lower 48 and have them ship it up to me.

See this info at Zaino's site, a link from their "contact us" page.

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=NOT47

The guy in Hawaii got back to me. Yipee!!!

Now... any advice on what exactly I should use?

I know I need to use a clay bar on it. Between the layers of "wax" that has trapped dirt from the previous owner, the birds that like my car, and the cat that likes the birds... she needs help!

The Zaino line has expanded so you have some options depending on your priorities (i.e., shine, ease or swirl mitigation). You really need to spend a lot of time on their web page studying the various uses of the products. Here's what I'm using:

Z-18 claybar (you'll get two in one container)
Z-7 soap
Z-6 detailing spray (I use this between layers of Z-2 Pro)
Z-8 detailing spray (pricier, shinier "finale" spray)
Z-2 Pro polish
ZFX polish accelerator (a hardener, mixing it with Z-2 Pro allows multiple layers in a day)
Z-16 tires

I have one of the new products -- "ZCS Clear Seal" -- but haven't tried it yet. Maybe this weekend.

Much has already been written in this thread so it's worth reviewing all that, too.

You'll need at least a couple quality 100% bath towels and I'd urge 3 or 4 same quality hand towels. Dedicated to car use and washed only in liquid detergent.

And if there's old wax on your E, you need to start off by washing it with Dawn Dishwashing Liquid.

You will enjoy the transformation, and the process.

:)

if the E is brand new, should i assume there is a layer of old wax on it and wash first with dawn? also, being that its brand new i dont really see swirls in the paint now; anything i can use to prevent them/or take away the light ones that are there?

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if the E is brand new, should i assume there is a layer of old wax on it and wash first with dawn? also, being that its brand new i dont really see swirls in the paint now; anything i can use to prevent them/or take away the light ones that are there?

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I don't recommend using Dawn to strip the wax. Although it'll work, it "dries out the paint" so to speak. The best way to remove wax is to claybar the whole car, which is a step in a total detail anyway, so just use regular car wash soap and follow with a good clay.

Clay bars do not stripe wax. They level the contaminants on the surface. High and low PH washing chemicals remove applied paint protections. If you are a detail shop owner such as myself you should join an association that provides continued education with proper systems and procedures in place.

I apologize for not reading the entire thread, but I am a big proponent of Zaino's products and after trying a few 'easier' products, I am heading back to the boys from the Jersey Shore! I spoke to Sal Zaino himself a few years ago (yes, they do answer the phone) and he told me to use Dawn <only> to preclean the surface before using thier products. I drove 45 minutes to Howell, NJ, at that time, the only parts store that stocked their products and after using them never regretted the trip.
I have a pretty full container of Icewax that anyone is welcome to!! :D

I apologize for not reading the entire thread, but I am a big proponent of Zaino's products and after trying a few 'easier' products, I am heading back to the boys from the Jersey Shore! I spoke to Sal Zaino himself a few years ago (yes, they do answer the phone) and he told me to use Dawn <only> to preclean the surface before using thier products. I drove 45 minutes to Howell, NJ, at that time, the only parts store that stocked their products and after using them never regretted the trip.
I have a pretty full container of Icewax that anyone is welcome to!! :D

It should be noted that dawn, in quantities, is bad for the paint.

I used to use only zaino, but now I won't touch the stuff. There's better stuff out there for the same price. And that includes sealant, unlike Zaino which just has polish.

I don't use Zaino either, that said Zaino makes an excellent product. The Z-2 Pro and Z-5 Pro polishes are sealants as is their new Z-CS (CS for clear sealant). Zaino's main claim to fame is the durability of it's product. Why they call their sealants polishes is beyond me, but they are good sealants none the less.

Ok, I'll bite, what are the ones that you think are better than Zaino?:)