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: tpms revisited


jrd_67
08-09-2007, 02:23 PM
I know this has been covered in several differant threads, but.. Has anyone expeirenced any problems with not using tpms sensors on aftermarket wheels? Other than the dash light does it generate any computer error codes ? Getting ready to by steel rims and snows for the winter and don't really want to spend the extra 200 for sensors.

box-E
08-09-2007, 09:23 PM
Bin running my SC wheels without sensors since March and about 18K no codes. I pulled the fuse for the TPMS so just a little light on dash. Drew:)

closer9
08-10-2007, 08:13 AM
Does anyone have an actual picture or diagram, etc of a TPMS sensor? and do they only monitor low pressure, or will they flag high pressure too?

I was just thinking the other day, that it might be possible to take the programmed sensors out of your old wheels, and mechanically apply pressure to them to keep them happy. Then just toss them in the E somewhere to keep the light off... this is assuming you won't want to use them again on your old wheels...

lizzurd
08-10-2007, 08:47 AM
Does anyone have an actual picture or diagram, etc of a TPMS sensor? and do they only monitor low pressure, or will they flag high pressure too?

I was just thinking the other day, that it might be possible to take the programmed sensors out of your old wheels, and mechanically apply pressure to them to keep them happy. Then just toss them in the E somewhere to keep the light off... this is assuming you won't want to use them again on your old wheels...

There is a picture of the sensors in this thread.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36452

Bill in Houston
08-10-2007, 09:56 AM
I was just thinking the other day, that it might be possible to take the programmed sensors out of your old wheels, and mechanically apply pressure to them to keep them happy. .
Don't they have to be on a spinning wheel to turn them on? I might be thinking of something else.

lizzurd
08-10-2007, 10:00 AM
Don't they have to be on a spinning wheel to turn them on? I might be thinking of something else.

According to the service manual the sensor has a built in acceleration sensor. The TPMS only functions once the vehicle reaches a speed of 28 mph.

closer9
08-10-2007, 10:57 AM
According to the service manual the sensor has a built in acceleration sensor. The TPMS only functions once the vehicle reaches a speed of 28 mph.


Hmmm... why wouldn't they just get vehicle speed from the computer? I wonder what happens when the vehicle reaches 29MPH, but the TPMS does not...

Braklet
08-10-2007, 03:02 PM
Hmmm... why wouldn't they just get vehicle speed from the computer?

The reason TPMS sensors trigger off of wheel speed is due to their power-save function. They go into sleep mode to save battery life.

That's right: eventually the lithium batteries will exhaust and the TPMS codes will mount. I guess Honda expects us all to march straight to the dealer and pony up. :(

TheBlackPearl
08-15-2007, 11:05 AM
OK, so I just put new rims and tires on my ride and decided to bail on the sensors in the new wheels. The TPMS light came on during the ride home. I then pulled the (correct) fuse and the light is still on? Is there a way to actually turn it off? Can Mr. Honda do it? Otherwise what is to point of having the fuse out? I'm just not a tape on the dash kinda guy.

Twilightzero
08-15-2007, 12:46 PM
My question exactly, I'm running aftermarket wheels and just want that damn light to go out! :-x

lizzurd
08-15-2007, 12:52 PM
My question exactly, I'm running aftermarket wheels and just want that damn light to go out! :-x

Just like the airbag TPMS is a govt mandated system....so there isn't going to be a simple work around.....theres always the option of taking apart the cluster and taking out the bulb.Im not sure how easy that would be since the manual shows all the indicator lights to be led's.

Twilightzero
08-15-2007, 01:53 PM
Just like the airbag TPMS is a govt mandated system....so there isn't going to be a simple work around.....theres always the option of taking apart the cluster and taking out the bulb.Im not sure how easy that would be since the manual shows all the indicator lights to be led's.

You're kidding...right?

Please tell me you're kidding.

The gov't has mandated that your car have that level of nannying on it? What could possibly be the reasoning behind this...? It'll save lives? :confused::confused::confused:

lizzurd
08-15-2007, 02:02 PM
You're kidding...right?

Please tell me you're kidding.

The gov't has mandated that your car have that level of nannying on it? What could possibly be the reasoning behind this...? It'll save lives? :confused::confused::confused:

I am still trying to find the exact article....but it is my understanding that in the US starting fall of 2007 TPMS systems will be manditory on all light cars and trucks.

Twilightzero
08-15-2007, 02:20 PM
I am still trying to find the exact article....but it is my understanding that in the US starting fall of 2007 TPMS systems will be manditory on all light cars and trucks.

I'd heard about VSA becoming mandatory but not TPMS. What's next, cars that require you to take an onboard physical before driving?? :confused:

vtzdriver
08-20-2007, 01:23 PM
TPMS is now mandatory. You can thank the argument between Ford and Firestone about tread seperation and rollovers for this regulation. Congress was told that underinflated tires caused most of the tire problems on the road. Solution- more "nannying".

So, Honda has chosen the rotation route for activating the sensors. The computer waits to detect a signal and then decides if it has adequate pressure??

I was thinking of trading my 06 towards an 08, but didn't want to deal with the TPMS.

On my Tacoma pickup, I just bought a set of sensors and put them inside a 12" trailer tire, which I threw in the bed. The Tacoma computer checks for a signal periodically and throws the light on if it doesn't see 4 designated signals (or they are out of spec).

Guess it's the 'tape on the dash' solution for the new E, too when the winter tires are on??

Twilightzero
08-20-2007, 01:26 PM
TPMS is now mandatory. You can thank the argument between Ford and Firestone about tread seperation and rollovers for this regulation. Congress was told that underinflated tires caused most of the tire problems on the road. Solution- more "nannying".

So, Honda has chosen the rotation route for activating the sensors. The computer waits to detect a signal and then decides if it has adequate pressure??

I was thinking of trading my 06 towards an 08, but didn't want to deal with the TPMS.

On my Tacoma pickup, I just bought a set of sensors and put them inside a 12" trailer tire, which I threw in the bed. The Tacoma computer checks for a signal periodically and throws the light on if it doesn't see 4 designated signals (or they are out of spec).

Guess it's the 'tape on the dash' solution for the new E, too when the winter tires are on??

*shrug* I'm just ignoring my idiot light for right now - it's always on so nothing big there. Wonder if I could clip the LED...

PVR
08-20-2007, 01:26 PM
TPMS is now mandatory. ...
Guess it's the 'tape on the dash' solution for the new E, too when the winter tires are on??


Oh shyte!

This is NOT good news.

lizzurd
08-20-2007, 01:29 PM
Oh shyte!

This is NOT good news.


At least the canucks can't get blamed for this one.......

Hygieneboy
09-04-2007, 12:32 PM
Damn, I thought pulling the fuse shut off the light!! :( Tape time, I guess

TPMS is for idiots that never check their tires or are totally oblivious

Twilightzero
09-04-2007, 01:43 PM
DTPMS is for idiots that never check their tires or are totally oblivious

Oh, you mean most of the American public...? :lol:

vtzdriver
09-07-2007, 12:17 PM
I suggest the blue painters tape, cut in a circular fashion and then colored by a black sharpie.
That way, in the Spring, you can take the tape off without leaving a mess of adhesive on the dash!!!