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A66auto
12-05-2007, 08:29 PM
I was working today and I saw this in someone's front yard and I have no idea what this car is. I'm guessing it is a kit car. Anyone here know?

Alex

russbuss
12-05-2007, 08:35 PM
call doc brown, we have to go back to the future!

A66auto
12-05-2007, 08:37 PM
LOL!
Marty crashed the car in a yard in Rio Linda, CA and now it is a chicken coop.

vandstra
12-05-2007, 09:36 PM
My first thought was a Bricklin SV-1, but the bumper does not look right.

vandstra
12-05-2007, 10:09 PM
After much research I have concluded that the car is ugly.

MikeQBF
12-05-2007, 10:11 PM
I was going to say "yeah, kit", but looking closely at the headlight doors... they're stamped sheet metal. You don't see that in kits.

I don't recognize the hood emblem. There were a fair number of limited production carrozerias (Italian coachwork makers) in the '70's up until about '85, so there are a lot of exotic-looking cars with not-so-exotic drivetrains (like Fiat or Renault). I had one such oddity, one of about 70 or so. Unless you knew exactly what it was there was no way in heck you could guess at it.

That said, it is entirely possible that it's one of the Bricklin prototypes. The first handful didn't have the screwball bumper. When it was obvious it wasn't going to meet the obnoxious new bumper rules, they withdrew release for something like two or three years, designed-in the famous bumper, and then discovered that it was now so heavy that it couldn't get out of its own way. So they changed their tune from "performance" to "safety". Gosh. Moments in automotive history.

NV_05_AWD
12-05-2007, 10:17 PM
A lotus !.......................

MikeQBF
12-05-2007, 10:24 PM
Never mind about the "Bricklin" theory. I must have been remembering something else from the '70's.

On reexamination, I'm having some trouble reconciling the top picture to the other two. Is this the same car? Detail in the bottom two shots definitely recall carrozeria styles of the '70's.

Now it's possible that it might have been a "show special" and never truly produced. US manufacturers usually destroy their show cars, but most of the European makes at least used to let them out into the wild after they've run the show circuit.

Critical_level2
12-05-2007, 10:42 PM
A lotus !.......................

This is what I was thinking. But after taking a good look at the pics. I am thinking maybe it is an old Bradley GT.

A66auto
12-05-2007, 11:06 PM
All the pics are of the same car. Here is one more:

MikeQBF
12-05-2007, 11:08 PM
Nope - not a Lotus. You're probably thinking the Esprit, Elite or Eclat. Not a Bradley GT, although some of the angles slightly recall the GT2. However, no need for all that grillwork in a Bradley, since they were (old) VW-based, and all the heat generation was in the back.

The grills appear to be functional, and there's that visible turn signal. The details tend to rule-out a kit; you just never got that much trim finishing in kits because of the time it would take and the manufacturing costs the custom castings would add.

It definitely appears to be from the era when I was a certified (or certifiable) car nut, and that I'm baffled... well... baffles me. :twisted:

Genom
12-05-2007, 11:24 PM
It looks a little like a Sterling, Cimbria, or Aztec 7. The turbine style wheels place it in early 70's production IMO.

Its not an Avenger or a Valkyrie since they were modeled after the Ford GT 40.

I agree with Mike, lots of vents that have a tendency to look functional. I'm a VW kit car nut and this thing has me mystified.

MikeQBF
12-05-2007, 11:44 PM
I knew our kit-car expert would eventually chime-in. Not a Sterling, already checked. Aztec 7 would be sort of close in general idea, but it was more angular and slab-sided. I don't recall anything this refined from the Fiberfab catalog (those fussy grille details again, then there's also the molded bumper detail... well out of the kit domain).

At the moment I'm thinking Lamborghini - that badge is about right (old logo), but the closest thing in style I can recall is the Jalpa, which it's not.

irnmadn88
12-05-2007, 11:53 PM
Digging for an answer...


Found this though:

http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/brubaker-box-4.jpg

MikeQBF
12-06-2007, 12:29 AM
Darn you guys... I'm going to lie awake all night wracking my brain about this. Whatever it is, it's super-obscure, probably Italian or an Italian designer, but not De Tomaso, Pininfarina or Bertone, tho' some details pay homage to Bertone. I still think it's a rescued one-off show car.

IOW, something that's a permanent project car under a tarp because there's No Way In Hell the owner can get parts to fix whatever is wrong with it. Been there, and it's not pretty.

irnmadn88
12-06-2007, 12:35 AM
There are some pretty cars to look at here... lots of them in my GT3 collection :razz:

http://www.supercarworld.com/cgi-bin/listall.cgi?letter

Speedy Toaster Dave
12-06-2007, 07:56 AM
i gotta agree with Mod Mike on this one looks like a one off custom :D

04Galapagos
12-06-2007, 08:01 AM
After much research I have concluded that the car is ugly.


:lol: I ahve to agree :lol:

Twilightzero
12-06-2007, 11:23 AM
Here's the scoop so far from my local car expert here:

The logo is absolutely definitely Russian. However, the car itself has very strong Italian lines. He's halfway convinced that the logo badge is NOT original to the car but was added later.

That's all the info I have right now but I've got top people looking into it.

TOP people.

(they work for beer & pizza...)

Any chance you can go back and get a closer zoomed shot of the logo and some details?

lizzurd
12-06-2007, 11:28 AM
To me it almost looks like an AMC Javelin that underwent a bad nose job.

vandstra
12-06-2007, 12:17 PM
I would just go knock on the door and ask the owner if possible. I am not shy like that.

LeeCaldwell
12-06-2007, 12:36 PM
Looks like it is rear engined with those air vents in back???

What does the exhaust pipe/pipes look like? Does it have VW exhaust? If so, it's a kit of some type.

perfdata
12-06-2007, 12:48 PM
Jump the fence and pull the tarp off.

Twilightzero
12-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Jump the fence and pull the tarp off.

Swing a bungee through and hook the tarp :D

Critical_level2
12-06-2007, 07:07 PM
I did some looking. I found a vehicle that it might possibly be. Here is a pic of a Maserati Merak. They were made in the 70s-80. It could be one of these, just in bad shape. Just note this picture is of an 1980 model.

A66auto
12-06-2007, 07:13 PM
These are the most detailed pics I can get with my camera phone. I can't get a zoomed in pic of the emblem. It is a pretty rough neighborhood and they have the iron fence all the way around the property and I can't get to the front door to ask the owner.

Twilightzero
12-07-2007, 09:29 AM
Well at the moment my friend and his circle of car guys are mostly convinced that it's a modified Bricklin. Looks like some of the panels are custom but can't really be sure...

Rocket Dog
12-07-2007, 09:30 AM
For goodness sakes go knock on that guy's door and put us all out of our misery. :)

xequar
12-07-2007, 09:43 AM
I went and looked at all the DeTomaso pics I could find, and I don't think it's anything they made, so there's my contribution. Oh, and I called in some reinforcements, namely my roommate who posts on a bunch of different car forums. Hopefully we'll get an answer!

irnmadn88
12-07-2007, 09:53 AM
Well, whatever it is... I am going to hazard a guess that it is American by the oval air cleaner shape under the tarp in the middle pic of the first post...

V8 or V6 ???
Ford or Chevy ???

Twilightzero
12-07-2007, 11:18 AM
Well, whatever it is... I am going to hazard a guess that it is American by the oval air cleaner shape under the tarp in the middle pic of the first post...

V8 or V6 ???
Ford or Chevy ???

That's not an air cleaner, that's his flux capacitor :razz: :lol:

chozn4service
12-07-2007, 01:45 PM
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russbuss
12-07-2007, 01:47 PM
That's not an air cleaner, that's his flux capacitor :razz: :lol:

haha, brilliant! :D8-):D

rbox
12-07-2007, 10:06 PM
there's a reason why it's covered

ramblerdan
12-08-2007, 12:15 AM
A Herkimer Battle Jitney! That's the finest non-lethal military assault vehicle ever made.

electrawebb
12-08-2007, 12:50 AM
after doing extensive research, and serious investigation, I have found the MOTHER of your unknown vehicle:shock:...

ieatflux
12-08-2007, 02:57 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

,HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!








the panels look like fiberglass to me. they fit like crap and the gaps are big as the grand canyon. my opinion screams kit car.

Rocket Dog
12-08-2007, 09:42 AM
A Herkimer Battle Jitney! That's the finest non-lethal military assault vehicle ever made.

This is a sad commentary on my life. I spit out my coffee reading this. I need a battle jitney.

Americonium
01-06-2008, 12:47 PM
Whateverthehell it is, it's rooned.

myspark1
01-10-2008, 04:28 PM
The Flying Submarine from VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA? Hopefully, what's left of Richard Basehart NOT still holding the piloting yokes......

Movieman990
01-11-2008, 11:57 AM
Leave a note on the gate in the fence that leads to the door in the house. These people have to get in and out somehow.

If you don't want to leave your phone number or address for a reply, just ask them to leave the answer in a BRIGHT RED envelope (that you provide). That way IF they answer you'll see the red envelope on the gate and can quickly run from your Element to the gate, grab the envelope and the ANSWER and beat a hasty retreat.

Or, you could just go on wondering what it is.

Hajidub
01-11-2008, 12:11 PM
Pantera? VW engine kit car?

Tim Vance
01-11-2008, 02:17 PM
The more I look at it, the more I think that we are looking at the rear end of a Bricklin that someone is modifying...
The first couple of pics show the other end is well covered by a tarp, and that looks alot like an engine hoist over the other end.
Also, if you look at the 2nd and 3rd pic, the bumper seems to drop off too fast, is too 'square', those 'signal' lights look awfull red, and look at how much body is extending out past the wheel. The fourth pic shows part of a license plate centred, just under that black piece, but clearly shows that the vent or scoop is above the bumper, not under, and the other vents all point the wrong way to be intakes...
But it looks like a rear engine, convertible, or it doesn't have a roof at all, because the tarp dips in the middle, supported on the high end by the windshield, and what the hell is that square thing right in the middle?

Logically, if someone were working on a car in their driveway, and didn't have room in their garage for their lotus or lambo, then they would clean out the garage to make room!, and not just cover it with a tarp, and leave it outside. But if they were to just push it out of the way, they would back it in, not nose in...
Also A66auto say that this is a pretty rough neighbourhood, so I'm thinking this is probably someones kit car....