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: Okay....It had to be asked, To Mac or Not to Mac


StLouisPenguin
09-13-2003, 05:38 PM
The comparison of Element Owners to Mac Owners/Users has been brought up numerous times, so hence my Poll, aka my version of a scientific study a'la Element Owners Club Style!

carman63
09-14-2003, 09:13 AM
I picked 'who cares', that was the closest to my opinion as you had ;)

I use both Mac and PC. I owned a IIg series way back when, but traded it for a car. Went back to using Mac when OSX was released (iBook G3/500), and decided to see if I could totally 'switch' in April, with a 17" iMac (short answer: not completely).

Because of work, I still use the PC platform. My USB-based VPN token won't work on the Mac - even under VirtualPC. Even if it did, then I'd have to get Entourage working with my Exchange server - doable, but it's not the simple ordeal that Apple likes to associate with their customer's 'experiences'.

When at work, I have a PC laptop and a Sun workstation. Here, I have a 17" iMac (G4/1GHz) and a Dell (PIII/933) on the desk. Both get used almost daily. The iBook sits in a case for the most part, and is for sale if anyone's interested.

isketerol
09-14-2003, 09:51 AM
Mac usage is somewhat of a sensitive topic with me. I have a client whose has an employee who insists on using his Mac with the software I implement. He was outraged when he found out that I had told the client we will not support him using a Virtual PC. It turns out, tho, he does not get support from the client nor was he allowed to have connected to the network or the domain in the first place!

Hate to say it, but this guy showed some of the arrogance that Mac users can display from time to time. He was insistent that he was a superior developer by use of his Mac.

For the record, my bf has a Mac. I have known Apple users - II and Mac users from alsmost the inception of that company.

DustE
09-14-2003, 01:02 PM
I'm kinda surprised at the number of votes the "Never had a Mac, never will" category has gotten so far. I would think that anyone open-minded enough to see the virtues of the E would be willing to go against the tide and at least consider a Mac. :?

Maybe we have a lot of gamers here, which is cool, I'm just not one of them! :)

MikeQBF
09-14-2003, 01:38 PM
I'm an independent consultant & developer who supports any system that the client has, be it Windows, Mac or Unix. In other words, whoever signs the check tells me what I'm working on.

My current "expertise" is in Palm OS, for that matter. My attitude is "the right tool for the job", although since I've been in the printing and publishing trades since (...ahem..., well, "since"), my hands-on has been primarily Mac, and integrating Win support into mostly-Mac networks.

>this guy showed some of the arrogance that Mac users can display

Uhh...not so fast. This is a two-way street. The "he does not get support from the client" is equally revealing of the fear and loathing that MS-based sysadmins have for users who want to break away from the pack. That this user was prohibited from connecting to the network is seriously indicative of the sysadmin's ignorance and/or intolerance. Sounds more like a situation with an "Ivory Tower" (IT) management attitude, reminiscent of the days when the sequestered priesthood supporting the big IBM iron ruled the roost.

That said, VirtualPC was and is a horrible solution, and the Intel emulators have always been that way. The Mac user needed to get off of his/her high horse and use the right tool for the application that served their employer, or find another job.

:evil:

zarathustra
09-14-2003, 02:08 PM
:shock: Rage against the dominant paradigm and be pro-active!

isketerol
09-14-2003, 04:41 PM
The reason the user was not allowed to join the domain is that his machine (a Virtual PC) is not managed by the bank. It is considered a breach of security and a vector for infection by a virus to connect a non-bank machine. I'm not even allowed to connect my IBM laptop, managed by IBM Tech Support to the bank's network.

In any case, I would use Linux machine if it was appropriate and allowed by IBM. It isn't, so I accomodate my employer and leave my personal choice of operating system at home. :)

StLouisPenguin
09-14-2003, 05:37 PM
Iskie....I know you work IBM,here in the USA when we have to have a tech out for the IBM Registers or Office Computers they are always the niceest guys!
Last month we had our offices remodeled and I had a tech with me all night, well evidently he wasn't that familar with our systems (5250 and AS400) so ooops.....he wasn't able to get our back office back up and running until around noon....which meant the registers didn't get back up until after noon since they are linked to the back office....let me tell you that was a "fun" 16 hours of my life!


As far as my poll goes, I was a die hard Appleite.....My first computer (well technically second after a Texas Instruments) was an Apple 2C, when I went off to boarding school our school's computer labs were all Apples, soon they replaced with Macs as did I. I used Macs thru Art School....due to the graphics software. After Art School I went switched to a Gateway Desktop....and I never had so many probelems with a computer in my life, then I went Sony Vaio Laptop and am currently working with the Sony and a Toshiba Laptop that is my latest addition. I love the Toshiba, it has been problem free and amazing for my small business.

zarathustra
09-14-2003, 06:11 PM
Apples and Macintosh are the same things? I knew it was an evil plot for dominance!

Kayakin' Dan
09-14-2003, 07:20 PM
Like Iketerol, I work for IBM. A mac would do me no good whatsoever, even though it is a superior product, it's not compliant. Besides the software I filch wouldn't fit!

MikeQBF
09-14-2003, 08:50 PM
>his machine (a Virtual PC) is not managed by the bank

So this is not a "Mac vs Windows" issue at all - this is about who is or isn't in control of the individual desktop. It sounds like a recalcitrant user wanting to keep control over his or her own computer, so it's irrelevant whether it's Windows, or Mac OS... or an abacus. That the situation happened to involve a Mac user should not be used as a case in point regarding "arrogance"... for that matter, I have enough war stories about General Systems Division (long before your time, I will surmise) to cast the aspersion right back.

So there! :P :wink: :mrgreen:

>it's not compliant

Not in Microsoft's self-serving view of the world. Of course not. :evil:

Hmmm... the platform with by far the weakest security is dictating the standards for "compliance" in our neo-paranoia, and as a result pushing the stronger solutions (Unix and Mac OS) further into the background. Fascinating.

tapestry
09-14-2003, 09:00 PM
its so simple. the mac universe is so much more appealing than the windows universe. my simple opinion.

thats the same reason i would rather drive an element than an explorer.

:)

zarathustra
09-14-2003, 09:55 PM
I smell 5 cent words being thrown in haste! Lets relax people. This is a website about owning a nice little car trucky thingie..... :oops:

Hawaiian E
09-15-2003, 11:41 AM
I use both, but am more proficient on a PC.

I think its a matter of familiarity rather than style or anything else. Whatever you have around when you started to use computers is what you probably have now. Once you start to learn all the shortcuts and keystrokes, you will probably gravitate towards the one you know more, and stay with it.

From a non-computer nerd perspective, a computer is a computer is a box, which is like the E.

MikeQBF
09-15-2003, 12:30 PM
>I think its a matter of familiarity

Well, yes and no. I suppose for computer non-professionals this holds true. If this were the case across the board (you like what you're already familiar with), I'd be desperately looking for a punch-card reader to attach to my PC.

:shock:

It gets back to the best tool again. Web browsing is more enjoyable on my Win2K box - IE crashes a lot less, probably because there is a Mac-hostile web authoring tool in common use. But pop-ups annoy me less on the Mac (you can "quit" IE without explicitly closing windows). Graphics editing is miserable on the PC, and a dream on the Mac. Software development is a complete wash - I move back and forth between platforms without even thinking about it, although I like the results a little better on the Mac (smoother UI).

And my firewall, web and e-mail server is a Unix box, 'cause that's what it does best. So go figure.

:?

zarathustra
09-15-2003, 03:14 PM
Someone got an ax I can grind?

Hawaiian E
09-15-2003, 03:22 PM
[quote:454c5ed4c3="MikeQBF"]>I think its a matter of familiarity

Well, yes and no. I suppose for computer non-professionals this holds true. If this were the case across the board (you like what you're already familiar with), I'd be desperately looking for a punch-card reader to attach to my PC.

:shock:

It gets back to the best tool again. Web browsing is more enjoyable on my Win2K box - IE crashes a lot less, probably because there is a Mac-hostile web authoring tool in common use. But pop-ups annoy me less on the Mac (you can "quit" IE without explicitly closing windows). Graphics editing is miserable on the PC, and a dream on the Mac. Software development is a complete wash - I move back and forth between platforms without even thinking about it, although I like the results a little better on the Mac (smoother UI).

And my firewall, web and e-mail server is a Unix box, 'cause that's what it does best. So go figure.

:?[/quote:454c5ed4c3]

true. So I revise my statement-"for non-computer nerds, its familiarity"

keckhanded
11-08-2003, 03:04 AM
we use an I mac in our house and we use pc's at work. I am not a computer wiz I am looking at each of these keys as I strike them. To me the Mac is easier to work on. A more common sense way to perform tasks. :idea:

PEachMonstEr
01-30-2004, 12:48 PM
i have used macs and enjoy them to a point, but i doubt that will ever switch. you can call it laziness, i am just to used to using my pc. one pc that doubt that will ever by again though is one with an AMD chip, i have nothing but problems with them.

Hawaiian E
01-30-2004, 12:52 PM
just read the post again...I vote for T-mac. oh wait :oops:

SeattleE
02-01-2004, 12:11 AM
computer people on this board!
I'm a consultant, working mainly on home PCs and setting up SOHO networks. I an certified by MS...and work almost exclusively with windows...
that said, my machine is a dual-boot with XP and Suse Linux...I use Knoppix for diagnosing frozen machines...and I'm buying a mac for music and practice.
Jesse

dbpaddler
02-01-2004, 12:27 PM
Actually started out with an Atari 600XL (guess i'm dating myself) and used Apple II's and Trash 80's even before that. Got my sister's Mac Plus with only a single disk drive for college at Drexel which was all Mac at the time. Once I graduated I ditched the Mac and have been PC ever since. Dell desktop and a Toshiba laptop. I'll let my mom stick with the Mac(two G4's) since she's in graphic design.

kato76
02-04-2004, 10:19 AM
LOVE MY PC, in the words of gollum "it's my precious"... I build it, I upgrade it, and it works for me.. I found that the upgrad-ablitly of the mac is very limited... :twisted: :twisted:

jaco
03-11-2004, 10:18 PM
I'll probably get smacked around for saying it. But yes, i have a mac, it's a G4 tiBook. But it runs debain. I suppose it's not technically still a mac at that point.

80honda
03-12-2004, 08:05 AM
I own and use both.
the PC is for all my CADD programs.

My Mac is for everhthing else. Email, webbrowsing, photoshop . . .

MikeQBF
03-12-2004, 08:52 AM
>...G4 tiBook. But it runs debain.

:roll:

Out of curiosity, what does this accomplish, over, say, OS X's BSD Unix?

jaco
03-12-2004, 09:17 AM
> Out of curiosity, what does this accomplish, over, say, OS X's BSD Unix?

Well, I was actually very excited when OSX was released. It seemed like such a good idea, and was done well, but it lacked certain things (like a good terminal), or rather, just made certain things more difficult(installing x). Part of the reason is my own stubburness and I'm willing to admit that. But I also don't want to Pay to update my software. I've seen apple go though the pay for major upgrades routine for 2 decades, and i'm just not willing to be part of that.

It also give me the added benefit of being what i work with on a daily basis. If i have to write an application i can do it only dealing with the quirks of the hardware not the hardware and the OS.

Don't get me wrong, the Mac has it's plusides too. I just don't use any of those features.

MikeQBF
03-12-2004, 12:03 PM
Well, that makes a certain amount of sense. Whatever tool gets the job done.

> I've seen apple go though the pay for major upgrades routine for 2 decades

I empathize a little, having just dropped $200+ for the Panther 5-pack, but your statement is not quite true. Apple didn't start charging for upgrades until Mac OS 8.1. What I'm really unhappy about is that we're getting dunned $130 a whack for 10.x upgrades. Whole version increments I'm OK with, but this nonsense is happening once a year. That's about as close to Uncle Bill's OS rental scheme as you can get.

[grumble] :evil:

Granted, maybe I can now run most XWindows apps under X11, but so far I'm pretty unimpressed with the UI quality of most XWindows "products". :roll:

FINALLYinmyELEMENT
03-12-2004, 12:39 PM
I am a MAC user. (graphic artist/ photographer)

I actually work on both, because my office is mainly PC - but for any and all my artistic and graphic uses, MAC is the only way to be.

(LONG LIVE APPLE!) of course this is merely my personal opinion.

Chin
03-12-2004, 02:01 PM
I am a MAC user. (graphic artist/ photographer)

I actually work on both, because my office is mainly PC - but for any and all my artistic and graphic uses, MAC is the only way to be.

(LONG LIVE APPLE!) of course this is merely my personal opinion.

What breed dog is that in your picture - it liiks like a V !!!!!

FINALLYinmyELEMENT
03-12-2004, 02:59 PM
Our dog "JAKE" is a pure breed golden retriever (hunting breed = red)

Some ppl get confused when we say he is a golden retriever "red breed"
He is a spoiled baby!! (but MATCHES my element, in case anyone didn't catch that)

hehe :D

random
05-19-2004, 08:50 PM
I use what I need to use to get the job done.

That being said, I own multiple boxes. I have a Mac and a Dell in my office, as well as a grey box running Red Hat Linux. I prefer the mac for most of my daily activities.

I have a 12" G4 PowerBook at home that I use for travel/leisure.

I prefer mac's over PC's, but not in a fanatical way. I like the care Apple has taken in the industrial design and user interface of the macs, especially with OS X and the new G5's and iMacs. I truly believe that Apple is "thinking different".

Yes they are more expensive, yes they are harder, in some cases, to upgrade, but I think the experience is worth the cost.

-doc

YodaMac
06-11-2004, 04:20 PM
I'll let my plate speak for me. :)

I could drive to work everyday in a "looks-like-everyone-else" sedan, but it's funner to do in an E.

Same with computers.

greyhauler
06-11-2004, 08:06 PM
Mac only here. I used PCs in high school and some college. My junior year of college, I discovered the Mac lab (10 IIsi's and a LaserWriter). No going back after that :D I was a fine arts major and ended up doing graphic design to make a living.

--betsy

\"VOSGTC\"
06-14-2004, 09:51 PM
I had two Ataris, 2-286, 386, 2-486, PII, PIII, 2 or 3 P4's, Celeron. Now using two notebooks (home & small business) and a pocket PC.
Nothing against MACs, just never owned one.

brendan
06-14-2004, 10:45 PM
[quote:3aad5d8470=" "]I had two Ataris, 2-286, 386, 2-486, PII, PIII, 2 or 3 P4's, Celeron. Now using two notebooks (home & small business) and a pocket PC.
Nothing against MACs, just never owned one.[/quote:3aad5d8470]

Starting from family purchases, including personal ones and/or work-supplied ones: Apple ][+, Apple //e, Laser 128, Olivetti M10 (Radio Shack Model 100 clone), Apple ][GS, Mac SE, IBM P70 (I liked the M10 better...my shoulder never recovered), various and sundry 8086, 80286 and 80386s including a Compaq DeskPro, Mac IIci, Powerbook Duo 210, Powermac 8500, various and sundry 486 and Pentium(tm) laptops, a Celeron 300MHz system that's been my home server for freakin' ever, an Athlon 700MHz that was my desktop until I killed it installing RAM (zzzzt) and now a dual Athlon MP 1900 with dual SCSI DAT drives (w/ SGI firmware) for pulling all the live music I record off of DATs at 2.2x realtime, but I never end up doing that because I'm a SUPER SLACKER.

I probably skipped a few (such as the first computer I ever touched, a Radio Shack calculator w/ BASIC my elementary principal let me tinker with during the couple of years when I had to stay after school a lot due to psych issues...). Plus, that doesn't include the pmaxen (DECstations), microvaxen, IBM RTs, Sun boxes and NeXT boxes that were the core computer services at CMU when I was there...well, they did have mac clusters as well...

-brendan

hownowcb
06-15-2004, 12:31 AM
You included this line, because now that you're "older", you see the humor, right!?

...during the couple of years when I had to stay after school a lot due to psych issues...
:lol: :lol: :wink: :wink:

davidsky
06-27-2004, 04:03 AM
[quote:6366b63f66=" "]I'm kinda surprised at the number of votes the "Never had a Mac, never will" category has gotten so far. I would think that anyone open-minded enough to see the virtues of the E would be willing to go against the tide and at least consider a Mac. :?

Maybe we have a lot of gamers here, which is cool, I'm just not one of them! :)[/quote:6366b63f66]

There's no answer that says: "I use a PC but I might try a Mac someday". There's also an inherent gadgety goodness about PCs that may appeal to E owners/ponderers.

StLouisPenguin
06-27-2004, 07:08 AM
For my new job I have an IBM Thinkpad......and let me tell you that thing is a monster....having traveled from NJ to Las Vegas with it and back on a business trip.....UGH!!! My shoulder hurt like crazy and to top it off the thing is so big when I tried to do some work on the plane I couldn't even fold the screen to the most upright position without wacking the seat in front of me....I wish I could simply use my personal laptop, but alas even that is starting to look like a dinosaur....I think I may have to upgrade soon....thinking of going the way my husband has Sony Viao....little, silver, good!

hawaiigirl
06-30-2004, 02:45 PM
I'm on a Mac but proficient on both. I love the Mac for recreational use, the iLife program is a blast with iPhoto, iTunes, iSight. Fun and easy to use, and my friends think I'm more talented than I really am, astounded that I made my own homepage. :D

brendan
06-30-2004, 07:01 PM
Diane,


Which model of thinkpad? The current models include three "trim lines" <grin>: the X series, the T series and the R series.

I believe the Rs are consumer-level thinkpads: larger and bulkier.
The Ts are business-market thinkpads: high performance sized about middle range.
The Xs are the lighter super portables: not as small as the sony vaios, but probably a bit tougher than the vaios.

I want an X31 or X41...

-brendan

LEGO MY E
09-23-2004, 01:57 AM
[quote:0394edd0d8="tapestry"]its so simple. the mac universe is so much more appealing than the windows universe. my simple opinion.

thats the same reason i would rather drive an element than an explorer.

:)[/quote:0394edd0d8]

Well said, "tapestry"!

(PLEASE ADMIN, DON'T LOCK THIS THREAD AFTER I POST!!) :)

Not to resurrect an old thread, but I absolutely LOVE my Macintosh G5 and absolutely DREAD using a PC. I guess my tastes have changed, that's all. I grew up on DOS, then Win3.1 / Win3.11 / WinNT / Win95 / Win98 / Win2000 / WinME / WinXP and I finally got SICK and TIRED of the same old CRAP that Microsoft churns out! So I bought a Mac. I am a NEWBIE Mac user, by the way (Since March of 2004), but I am a loyal fan already and am not turning back any time soon!

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/626/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/productshot_pm_g5_0608.jpg

Then there's the hardware side. I said that my tastes have changed? Well, somewhat (With a Mac I no longer have to tinker with my computer to get it to work, upgrades are a no-brainer, everything "Just Works"). I primarily use my computer for photo editing, video, sound/music composition, games, personal finance, letters, spreadsheets, occasional work that I bring home, e-mail, and web (mostly to post in here!). For me, the Macintosh has been a DREAM in all of these areas, and it came that way right out of the box! It seems that Macintosh (while more expensive) is always one step ahead of technology, which means that I can use tomorrows technology today without any major (expensive!) PC upgrades LATER! Plus, Macintosh G5's currently blow PC's out of the water when it comes to complex processing functions, such as video!

http://images.apple.com/powermac/performance/images/rendering06092004.jpg

http://images.apple.com/powermac/performance/images/photoshop06102004.jpg

http://images.apple.com/powermac/performance/images/audio06082004.jpg

(Source: http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/)

In my PC days I practically home-built MANY a computer, and always regretted it afterwards because I could've bought something that was twice as fast for half the cost in the end! With the Macintosh, I don't expect that I'll need to upgrade (or buy a new computer) for the next 3-4 years, whereas PC's can become obsolete literally overnight!

Again, it is a matter of preference. Just like the Element (oh yeah, that's what this forum is about huh?), if the Element works better for what you NEED, then buy it! From personal experience I have to laugh about the (implied) Ford/Honda = PC/Mac analogy made by "tapestry"! :)

Ok, I'll shut up now so the Admin doesn't lock this thread.

LEGO

zarathustra
09-23-2004, 06:15 AM
rage against the machine

:roll:

Lowanhair
09-23-2004, 02:05 PM
I use what Uncle Sam tells me to. Which right now means Sun Ultra 10's, Ultra 60's, Enterprise 400 series, 240R's, and 480R's running either Solaris 2.5.1 or Solaris 8. I started out learning basic on Radio Shack TRS 80's(Trash 80) and once I joined the USAF I got exposed to Sun and UNIX. Started using Sparc 2's initially and pretty much every workstation they have made since. I have also used DecAlpha boxes, Convex mainframes, HP mainframes and even spent a little time with a couple of Crays(those are awesome, especially the Fluorinert cooled ones.) I have used PC's for work purposes but that is usually our 'lightweight' machine used for email and word processing running the latest Windows OS.
At home I built our 3rd computer and installed XP Pro, simply for compatability with work and it's what the wife knows as well. The other two PC's have been cured of their MS addiction and run Linux and Solaris 9. I would love to have a new Dual Proc Liquid Cooled G5 but alas I don't have the funds for such a venture into the realm of 64 bit home computing. Oh, and I used XP because I just have to scratch the gaming itch every now and then. On that note, has anyone else played Doom 3 yet?

misfit
09-23-2004, 04:16 PM
>>>>has anyone else played Doom 3 yet?<<<<

yes...... awsome graphics.... http://www.ceregnano.com/fps/doom3/doom3c.jpg

seb
09-23-2004, 04:40 PM
The poll was missing "OS Agnostic" as an option. :) I use the right tool for the job. I love OSX. Windows also has its place, and XP is actually a fairly pleasant OS depending on your needs.

When it comes right down to it, I prefer Linux or BSD though.

Oh, and yes, Doom 3 is an amazingly beautiful game, even if it's otherwise disappointing. :)

biocube
09-23-2004, 10:49 PM
i drive a cube

my principal computer is a (slightly upgraded) g4 cube

and i suppose i have a cube-like body too! (more biking, less driving is needed!)

nightcap965
09-24-2004, 07:26 AM
In my experience, computer operating systems are like religions. Each has its share of wild-eyed zealots, think their co-religionists share a special insight into the Important Things in Life, and look down from their lofty steeples on the poor, purblind souls worshipping in the other church.

Seriously, although all sweeping generalizations are false (including this one), I find that few Windows users care much about their computers - they're just tools. They're neutral beige boxes, not status symbols or expressions of the owner's aspirations. They are sedan and minivan drivers. The chief appeal of the Element to them: it's reasonably priced.

Linux and Unix users are into control. The computer does what they tell it to, not what Bill Gates (or a small army of virus and worm writers) tell it. They are mechanics and modders, driving anything (usually junkers) so long as they can get under the hood and fiddle. The chief appeal of the Element to them? It's configurable.

MacOS X users are about image and style. It is not the sort of style that says, "This has a Nike swoosh emblazoned on it, and is therefore good." It is the quality of something carefully and thoughtfully built, a fine fit and finish, elegant and classic. Mac users are creative individualists, or would like to be. They wish to proclaim that they "Think Different" (the "different" is a noun, not an adverb, like "think snow"). The chief appeal of the Element? It's unique. It makes a statement.

So, there are good reasons for the Element to attract the devotees of any of the three great computer religions, even the hairy barbarian heathens who use #$%@%$ +++ --NO CARRIER

LEGO MY E
09-24-2004, 11:00 AM
Well said, nightcap965!!!

You really seem to have a special insight into the important things in life!! ;)

hownowcb
09-25-2004, 01:25 AM
He just drinks far less than I do! I coulda said that, i thinlsna;lkvnxsoineow

popeye
10-07-2004, 11:58 PM
...it's what you do and grow up with and learn on and work with when you're in the graphic industry

as a graphic designer/art director/creative director i've worked on macs all my life -since 1988 that is ;-)

i'm lovin' it

that's all i can say, design, performance, image, branding -my kind of animal

i'm still a big fan, after all these years

at work: g4 titanium / 867mhz / 1gb memory / 15" plus second 17" flatscreen / dvd burner / external backup hd

at home: g4 ibook / 1ghz / 512 mb memory / 14"

have be using powerbooks 'laptops' for the past seven years, couldn't do without one

can't wait to see the g5 powerbooks next year ;-)

LEGO MY E
10-08-2004, 12:13 AM
[quote:529db812dc=" "]He just drinks far less than I do! I coulda said that, i thinlsna;lkvnxsoineow[/quote:529db812dc]

jlkjl :) ??? jkwewldwewer5!!! LMAO :)

LEGO MY E
10-08-2004, 12:19 AM
[quote:c6d8591019="Popeye"]...at work: g4 titanium / 867mhz / 1gb memory / 15" plus second 17" flatscreen / dvd burner / external backup hd

at home: g4 ibook / 1ghz / 512 mb memory / 14"...
can't wait to see the g5 powerbooks next year ;-)[/quote:c6d8591019]

The G5 (as I'm sure you know) has just hit the iMac market, so the powerbook market cannot be far behind. As a newbie (yet Cult-like) follower of the Mac, I still wish my G5 would not freeze up on me... I expected that from Windows, but not Mac! Still though, I don't ever want to go back... I just can't believe that I've spent so much money supporting Microsoft OS!! :P One of my favorite movies of all time (South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut) says EXACTLY how I feel about Mr. Gates!! :)

LEGO

deckeda
10-08-2004, 10:41 AM
[quote:5130ec2cdb=" "]They wish to proclaim that they "Think Different" (the "different" is a noun, not an adverb, like "think snow"). [/quote:5130ec2cdb]

Salman Rushdie was once interviewed on NPR and somehow the topic of advertising or language came up. He tsk-tsked Apple for their "crass" use of language: "Think Different-LY, Apple!"

What a dork.

popeye
10-08-2004, 11:12 AM
LEGO, that's true...with the G5 iMacs just introduced recently, the G5 powerbooks can't be that far around the corner...rumour has it they might come out with it early spring (i've read it somewhere on some mac board)

biggest 'problem' apple's facing is the ventilation of the G5 processor without increasing the thickness...

should be interesting to see what they'll come up with ;-)

Lowanhair
10-08-2004, 11:30 AM
Apple has cleverly used convection and active solutions in the past. I loved
the G4 Cube design and the new G5 iMac uses automatically controlled multi-
speed fans. In the past their engineers always seem to 'pull one out of the
fire' and I have every confidence they will this time. I bet it will be a beautiful
machine as well.

salutlemonde
10-09-2004, 12:28 PM
Motorola is tugging on Apple's sleeve again - G4 dual core processors with high clock speeds might run cooler than G5's and give acceptable performance. G5's certainly aren't known for running cool - although I guess they could put a radiator/liquid cooling system on a PowerBook... dunno about the battery life, though.

Clockguy
10-31-2004, 09:46 PM
The little white apple sticker that came with my iMac was the first sticker to grace the back of my Element. for some reason they just seem to go together.

amtoro
11-01-2004, 12:30 PM
I did it even before steping inside my E for the first time at the dealership. I've been a mac-evangelist since 1998

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1930&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=70

hownowcb
11-11-2004, 07:15 PM
deckeda, I humbly thank you for reminding us that even highly intelligent people can be complete morons "out of their elements". Rushdie is a great writer, and serves a great moral cause, but he's clueless about what "advertising" is. Ironically, Apple's long standing ad slogan merely takes "poetic license" with it's grammar, as most advertising does. Odd that a writer could be so clueless about that term, wouldn't you think?

The slogan isn't intended to literally implore thinking differently -- its intent is to declare that everything about the Apple experience is "different." The software, the hardware, the user, ad nauseam. Each of those things is "different". Perhaps the slogan could be described as a command -- when one sees the Apple logo, the associative word to keep in one's personal "thought balloon" is DIFFERENT.

LEGO MY E
11-12-2004, 12:41 AM
Salman Rushdie sounds (phoenetically) like a fish that's ready to die after spawning!

Who else but Apple could create so many innovative ideas, excitement, market share, profit (yes, profit), rave reviews, and loyalty? Congratulations Mr. Jobs for your wonderful representation of the most creative machine in the world (next to the Element, of course)!

nightcap965
11-18-2004, 08:54 PM
I've been missing from the Element Owner's Club for the past few weeks. The reason? I gave my iBook, my Portable Auxiliary Brain, to my nephew. (His iMac, which I gave him last year, died. It was the original Bondi Blue iMac, so it had had a good life and was not worth repairing.) Now, while I have a very nice dual G5 PowerMac at home, I had to press a Dell laptop into service as my Auxiliary Brain. I spent so much time trying to make it work the way I wanted it to there was no time left for the important things in life, like hanging out at the Element Owner's Club!

Yesterday, my employer presented me with a fully-loaded PowerBook. Setting it up exactly like my iBook was simply a matter of plugging in the Firewire drive I'd backed it up on and clicking "Setup Assistant". Within 90 minutes, my brain was back. Everything was where I left it - all my settings, my software, my Keychain, my bookmarks - everything. I feel complete again.

For some people, a computer is just a computer, a car is just a car. I'm not one of those people.

LEGO MY E
11-18-2004, 09:49 PM
[quote:f9016aed81=" "]I've been missing from the Element Owner's Club for the past few weeks. The reason? I gave my iBook, my Portable Auxiliary Brain, to my nephew. (His iMac, which I gave him last year, died. It was the original Bondi Blue iMac, so it had had a good life and was not worth repairing.) Now, while I have a very nice dual G5 PowerMac at home, I had to press a Dell laptop into service as my Auxiliary Brain. I spent so much time trying to make it work the way I wanted it to there was no time left for the important things in life, like hanging out at the Element Owner's Club!

Yesterday, my employer presented me with a fully-loaded PowerBook. Setting it up exactly like my iBook was simply a matter of plugging in the Firewire drive I'd backed it up on and clicking "Setup Assistant". Within 90 minutes, my brain was back. Everything was where I left it - all my settings, my software, my Keychain, my bookmarks - everything. I feel complete again.

For some people, a computer is just a computer, a car is just a car. I'm not one of those people.[/quote:f9016aed81]

Cool, nightcap965!! I too have a dual (2.0 GHz) G5, and I'm still clinging to my Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop! My daughters even have a POS eMachines eOne, which looks very similar to a the original iMac! And we both bought an Element?? This is weird! :)

Oh, and "For some people, a computer is just a computer, a car is just a car. I'm not one of those people"? I couidn't have said it better myself, even if I had 7 beers first! ;)

LEGO

SeattleE
11-19-2004, 08:58 PM
Just powered down my old Compaq for what I hope is the last time...after picking up my new Powerbook G4 1.33...
I have never been happier with a computer purchase!! I am an absolute convert...

Jesse