It's probably not possible but what would you have to do to make the drivers side passenger window switch auto up/down? In a simple universe you should be able to switch the switch with the auto one. I sure there are sensors and electronics to deal to make it not that easy......

Couldn't Honda make that an option next year?

4 n d y

This is one of those things that really bugs me about the E. I only have 2 power windows and 1 is auto up/down and the other isn't. I was thinking of seeing if they were separate units and would interchange. If so, I could then order another drivers side unit for the passenger side.

One would think that the Japanese model has the required circuitry....

Sorry, short of major surgery this is a no-go. The motor is different on each side, the drivers contains a pulser circuit. The drivers switch has a control unit which reads the pulses to determine if the window is fully up or down, and both of the window switches are molded into the same unit.

I was wondering if anyone has thought about making the passenger window also auto "single touch" up and down like the drivers side? Anyone know what may be involved?
I am very interested!

Great minds think alike. I was wondering the same thing and does there have to be anything other than the dual-action switch used on the drivers side.

I don't think it's possible, short of MAJOR expenses. You would need to replace the passenger side window motor, add extra wiring to the drivers side door and build a custom switch. The drivers side window switches are built together into one unit. It isn't just a matter of replacing one switch.

Is it a matter of the switch or the controller? I was thinking there was a window brain for each door somewhere and if I got a driver "brain" and attached it it would work on either side?

The switch mechanically has a second position both up and down, so you'd need that switch. Currently, you pull/push to go up/down and if you want all the way, you pull/push to the extra position.

Is there a suitable replacement from another Honda which has both driver and passenger auto down and up positions? Also what controls this functionality the switch, a "brain", the motor?

"what controls this functionality the switch, a "brain", the motor?"

Both. The motor has a "pulser" that sends a signal to the switch, the switch has a circuit that looks for these pulses to determine when the window is fully closed or open.

i want to make the passenger side window auto-down as well. what would this require? buying some relays to add into the wiring and a new window switch?

anyone know? thanks

Check with a reputable stereo shop for an alarm add on. Previously I had a 95 Civic that I had an alarm installed with window controls which allowed me to open and close either the driver or passenger side with a touch of the factory window controls. It wasn't very expensive and I'm sure it wouldn't be all that difficult to wire up yourself.

It's not a simple fix. I believe the issue is that the controls and motor are also different on the driver's side, since the controls have to detect the motor strain and also have to be trained to detect it.

-brendan

[quote:ffaf7163f6=" "] since the controls have to detect the motor strain and also have to be trained to detect it.

-brendan[/quote:ffaf7163f6]

Well really all you need are a pair of limit switches and a holding relay. The motor can stay. If you could get a wrecked drivers side door or purchase the parts from a dealer. All you would need to do is figure out how to install them. Sounds easy but is it? :D

this might help, info from an RSX service manual.


Power Windows
How the Circuit Works
CAUTION: You could injure your arms, hands, or
fingers if you unintentionally switch the driver’s
window to “automatic down” while working in
that door with the power on. Disconnect the window
switch connector or the battery when working
in the driver’s door.
System Description
The operation of the power windows is controlled by
the main switch in the power window master switch.
When the main switch is in OFF, only the driver’s
door window can be opened or closed. With the
main switch ON, all windows can be opened or
closed either by switches in the master panel, or
switches in the doors. The driver’s window switch
also has an automatic down mode which is turned
on by holding the switch down momentarily.
The power windows are driven by reversible motors.
Each motor is protected by a built-in circuit breaker.
If the window switch is held on too long (with the
window obstructed, or after the window is fully up or
down), the circuit breaker opens the circuit. The
circuit breaker resets automatically as it cools.
Driver’s Window
With the ignition switch in ON, voltage is provided to
the coil of the power window relay through fuse 6.
The contacts of the power window relay close, and
voltage is applied to the driver’s switch. When you
push the power window master switch to UP, voltage
is applied to the driver’s power window motor. (The
motor’s ground path is back through the power
window master switch.) The driver’s power window
motor then drives the window up. When you push the
switch to DOWN, voltage is applied in the opposite
direction and the motor drives the window down.
Auto Down
With the ignition switch in ON or START, voltage is
applied to the coil of the power window relay. The
contacts of the power window relay close and
voltage is applied to the power window master
switch. When you hold the driver’s switch down
momentarily, voltage is applied through the driver’s
switch to the driver’s window motor. The control
unit receives pulses at the pulser input while the
motor is running. When the window is fully down,
the motor stops, and pulses are no longer
generated by the pulser. This is sensed by the
control unit at the pulser input, and voltage is no
longer applied to the driver’s window motor.
Auto Up
With the ignition switch in ON or START, voltage is
applied to the coil of the power window relay. The
contacts of the power window relay close and voltage
is applied to the power window master switch. When
you hold the driver’s switch up momentarily, voltage is
applied through the driver’s switch to the driver’s
window motor. The control unit receives pulses at the
pulser input while the motor is running. When the
window is fully up, the motor stops, and pulses are no
longer generated by the pulser. This is sensed by the
control unit at the pulser input, and voltage is no
longer applied to the driver’s window motor.
Passenger Windows
With the ignition switch in ON, voltage is applied to
the coil of the power window relay through fuse 6.
The contacts of the power window relay then close,
applying voltage to the individual window switches
and the power window master switch. With the
master panel main switch ON, the passenger
windows can be operated from the individual
window switches or from the master panel switches.
When you push the front passenger’s window
switch to UP, voltage is applied to the front
passenger’s window motor. (The motor is
grounded through the contacts in the front
passenger’s window switch and the power window
master switch.) The window moves up as long as
you hold the switch in the UP position. If you push
the switch to DOWN, voltage is applied in the
opposite direction to the front passenger’s window
motor, and the window moves down as long as you
hold the switch in the DOWN position. The window
switches in the other doors operate similarly.
When you push the front passenger’s switch in the
master panel to UP, voltage is applied through the
front passenger

"The control
unit receives pulses at the pulser input while the
motor is running." Quote


This makes sense. I suppose it uses the pulse in addition to limit switches. I know if you put your arm in the path of the window while its moving up it will stop and open all the way. As opposed to just stopping because no pulses are being sent to the motor control circuit.

If this were easy I would do it in a second. I really got spoiled driving my parnets BMW since both windows are auto up and down.

"Each motor is protected by a built-in circuit breaker.
If the window switch is held on too long (with the
window obstructed, or after the window is fully up or
down), the circuit breaker opens the circuit."

But that makes it sound as if there are not limit switches. In fact, none are mentioned. If I'm reading this correctly, the motor is obstructed, either by the window's natural hitting of it's stop or something in its path, and so the circuit breaker cuts of voltage.

"I know if you put your arm in the path of the window while its moving up it will stop and open all the way."

I didn't know it would do that --- interesting that it isn't mentioned in the RSX piece either ... But if so, that means the passenger window already has the ability to auto-go-down. Perhaps it's only the switch that's lacking?

Could it be that simple? What am I missing? The only thing I see different about the driver's side is that it has a switch that has a detent that does the "holding" of it for you, or more accurately sends a constant request --- when the window hits something it stops the motor.

Since motor pulses determine if the control unit sends voltage, and not the switch, the switch as effectively out of the loop as soon as you select Auto.

A difference I see is what the control unit does next. In these newer vehicles it seems simpler because it's all electronic, but in my '91 Accord (and say, my folks' '99 CR-V) the control unit appears to send a signal BACK to the driver's switch and kinda "kick it out" of the auto position --- you can actually hear the switch click back although visually it hasn't moved.


I really think Honda missed the boat here; the passenger side should also have a door lock switch. That might be my next mod; there's a DIY on this site if I recall.

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"Each motor is protected by a built-in circuit breaker.
If the window switch is held on too long (with the


"But that makes it sound as if there are not limit switches. In fact, none are mentioned. If I'm reading this correctly, the motor is obstructed, either by the window's natural hitting of it's stop or something in its path, and so the circuit breaker cuts of voltage."quote

Ok think about this. "The windows natural hitting of its stop" the motor does'nt know what the natural hitting of its stop is there has to be something in the circuit to cut current flow to the motor when the window goes up and down all the way. But there also has to be something in the circuit that lets the motor know it has'nt gone all the way up if obstructed and then open back up to free the obstruction.




"I know if you put your arm in the path of the window while its moving up it will stop and open all the way."

"I didn't know it would do that --- interesting that it isn't mentioned in the RSX piece either ... But if so, that means the passenger window already has the ability to auto-go-down. Perhaps it's only the switch that's lacking?"quote


Only the drivers side window will open back after hitting an obstruction. The passanger side will hold tight. I guess the engineers made the drivers side go up because a backseat passanger could put their arm out of the window and the driver not notice?

[quote:f09fc33e6b=" "] Only the drivers side window will open back after hitting an obstruction. The passanger side will hold tight. I guess the engineers made the drivers side go up because a backseat passanger could put their arm out of the window and the driver not notice?[/quote:f09fc33e6b]

Are you sure of this? I thought Honda had reversible windows in all positions?

-brendan

[quote:b47730297c=" "]"The windows natural hitting of its stop" the motor does'nt know what the natural hitting of its stop is there has to be something in the circuit to cut current flow to the motor when the window goes up and down all the way. [/quote:b47730297c]

When I read the Integra tech piece above, I understood the motor pulses to be what the control module "listens" for.

Here's how I understood it: Switch is pushed, signal goes to control unit that sends voltage to the motor, and the window moves. In doing so, the motor in turn sends pulses back to the control unit as it works, in effect telling the control unit it's moving. Motor/window stops at the top, so the pulses stop, the control unit sees the lack of pulses and shuts off voltage to the motor.

Perhaps for mid-level stops, such as when something obstructs the window, the motor pulses stop "early" and the control units "realizes" the window isn't yet at full-extenstion, so additionally reverses the window back down.

OK, I just went outside. Here's what happens on my '04 EX-S GGM. Assume other colors to act similarly. :lol:

Driver's side:
When obstructed, window stops, reverses and stops half way down, but only when the auto-up feature was used. If you were holding your finger on the window switch, the motor won't smart enough to stop!

Passenger's side:
It's dumb. It never stops or reverses when obstructed.

editorial:
I miss this aspect of my '01 Golf: Auto-up and -down for both front doors, and protection for all four.

[quote:4471c08551=" "]

Perhaps for mid-level stops, such as when something obstructs the window, the motor pulses stop "early" and the control units "realizes" the window isn't yet at full-extenstion, so additionally reverses the window back down.
.[/quote:4471c08551]


Ok here's me beating a dead horse. In order for the window to realize its at the full extension it needs a device to "tell" it it has arrived. I dont know what honda uses but a common device in such situations is a limit switch. :D

I guess I can clear some items up here for you.


It knows when to stop internally in the motor/regulator. The motor is preset to know how far it has to travel. You can completely disconnect the motor/regulator and run it back and forth, and it will stop where it is supposed to.

Any window or sunroof with an Auto Close feature has to have anti-pinch technology. Regular windows don't have to.

The new Acura RL has all four windows and sunroof auto open and close. Most new acura's have two front auto. And the are starting where you can open your windows with your remote. You just hit the open button twice and hold it the second time and it will open the windows.

"The control unit receives pulses at the
pulser input while the motor is running. When the
window is fully up, the motor stops, and pulses are no
longer generated by the pulser. This is sensed by the
control unit at the pulser input, and voltage is no
longer applied to the driver’s window motor."

What this is saying, when the motor runs, it causes the voltage to pulse, and when the motor stops it senses the voltage not pulsing anymore, so it cuts off voltage. I never even knew how this systme worked before this, we've never had problems with it.

In the October 2004 issue of "Electrical Apparatus" magazine:
"SAFER ELECTRIC AUTO WINDOW CONTROLS requirements were finally approved last month by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. the new rules ban so-called "rocker" or "toggle" switches located on or near arm rests that make windows go up if they are accidently depressed. One consumer group, "Kids and Cars," says children leaning out of windows have been killed when they depress window switches. Preferably, switches should have to be pulled up or be recessed so they can't be turned on inadvertently."
Talk about bolting the barn door..... My 1993 Nissan Maxima had pull up to go up switches. I remember a friends 1972 Cutlass had the toggle switches. Do the U.S. automakers still make them this way?

Well, it's only in recent years that Honda went from toggles to ups-n-downs.

The easiest way to give yourself an auto passenger window is to install a window module. DEI sells one for around $50 or $60. You can use it with or without an aftermarket alarm. I have one hooked up on my E. I have one touch auto down and one touch auto up on both windows. I also have it hooked to the auxilary button on my aftermarket alarm. I can vent the windows two inches at a time or roll the windows all the way down with the remote. When I arm my alarm it also rolls my windows all the way up (great for suprise rain storms). It's also fairly easy to install - if you have a basic understanding of car wiring and electronics. The name of the part is DEI 530T Window Module.

Love the auto-down/up on the drivers window. Anyone wired (at least on the driver side) an auto up/down switch for the passenger window?

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/eoc/search02.gif
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10090
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14498
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5792

Thanks for the links. Guess it's a bit more complicated than simply switching out a switch!

Odd. That is one thing about my E that I really DON'T like.

Odd. That is one thing about my E that I really DON'T like.

the auto-down? easy to fix! disconnect your battery for 30 seconds or so and the auto-down feature will be disabled!

To each their own! :grin:

Odd. That is one thing about my E that I really DON'T like.

Has anyone done a mod that gives you the awesome AUTO feature for the passenger side window? I love the auto-up function and would love to have that function on both side windows.

Thanks in advance!

It was mentioned in an old post where someone just bought a spare switch for the driver's side and installed it in the passenger door (or was it the passenger window switch on the driver's door)

I was hoping it was going to be that easy. Just wanted to hear it from someone that has actually done the mod.

Thanks for the heads-up and I'll try searching the posts again.

Found a link. It may be a little more complicated
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15574&highlight=window+switch

I was afraid of that. Thanks for the info.

:confused: I am wondering if there is a way to get an auto up/down feature on the passenger side????

Could it be as easy as replacing passenger swich with driver auto switch?

Check some of the links in the Similar Threads listed below.
Not much was discussed but I don't think I remember anyone actually pulling this mod off.

Any car stereo shop should be able to add a module that will add the auto up/down to the front windows. You can even have them set it up with the keyless entry. So the when you lock the car with the remote it will roll up the windows automatically.

John

You will need a module in addition to the switch to enable that function.

And yes, when doing so, you can have it set it up with keyless entry so that upon locking the car using the remote, the windows will roll up automatically.

I was about to do that to my previous auto alas the company that everyone swore by dissolved their partnership and operation.

the auto-down? easy to fix! disconnect your battery for 30 seconds or so and the auto-down feature will be disabled!

My battery went dead, and after getting a boost, the auto-down feature has been disabled, but now I want to re-enable it, anyone know how?

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Models/Element/2007/ElementTips?L=E

Look under resetting Auto function for Driver's Window.

Thanks! For anyone searching the forum later:
Resetting The AUTO Function For Driver's Window

If your vehicle's battery is disconnected or goes dead, or the driver's window fuse is removed, the driver's window AUTO function will be disabled. The AUTO function needs to be reset after reconnecting the battery or installing the fuse. You should do the following:

1. Start the engine. Push down on the driver's window switch until the window is fully open.
2. Pull back on the driver's window switch to close the window completely, then hold the switch for an additional 2 seconds.

If you ever forget - refer to your Owner's manual.

If you ever forget - refer to your Owner's manual.

Does Honda offer a PDF manual? Bound paper is sooo 20th century.

I have a copier at work that can make scan and create .pdf documents. I wonder if that would be a copyright infringement if I did it and shared.

You guys do know you can get a pdf owners manual on the Honda Owners Link (https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/login.asp), right?

When I have both windows down and I want to raise them, I have to hold the passenger window switch up. Has anyone ever tried replacing the passenger window switch with an auto like the driver side has?

When I have both windows down and I want to raise them, I have to hold the passenger window switch up. Has anyone ever tried replacing the passenger window switch with an auto like the driver side has?

i have though about it..... but wouldn't the wiring be different?

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4236

Dang it!!!

Thanks, Al.

Way back in the day when I did car audio and alarms I added one of these to my Supra.

http://www.viper.com/P-530T/Window+Automation+System

This was before Toyota and other auto makers started to add 1 touch up/down. It wires between the factory window switches and the motors. It can add auto up and down for 2 windows. In the case of the E, the installer would just need to hook it up to the passenger side wires. The only drawback is that it only work on the driver side switch for the passenger window (or vice versa if it was wired inside the passenger door).

One bonus, if you add a security system with extra channels, you can roll your windows up or down with your alarm remote.

I am new here and just got my '03 E last week. I love the auto down and up feature on the drivers side, is there any way to make the passenger side do this? I was thinking buying a OEM driver side switch and using it on the passenger side.

The switch alone wouldn't do it; the computer is what really makes the auto up/down work. Others have talked about this in the past (you could find the threads via search), but afaik no one has done it.

if you have no intentions of adding an aftermarket alarm or dont want to control the windows with them even if you do then use a DEI 529T. it is a single window or sunroof control module with auto up and down. wire it up in the drivers door so that the driver (you) have control over the one touch feature. you could wire it up in the passenger door but then they would have the one touch on their switch and you would not, so screw that :)

if you want to control your windows with an aftermarket alarm, vent windows from remote, roll up automaticall when the truck is armed etc, then use the 530t mentioned earlier to control both windows. i have used tons of both in the past in customers cars and the only time i had an issue was in some gm cars and trucks cause they used junky high resistance motors and dei even has a patch for those. not a problem for ours at all though. i have actually thought about how i hate this lack of feature too and i might just go on ebay now and buy one :)

Wow, that thing is cheap at $30, but for that price it will work? Do I need a new switch? The drivers one has an extra "click" on the up and down to activate the auto feature. Also the auto feature has a sensor that will stop if something like an arm gets in there.
Will this make the passenger window always "auto" up and down?

Wow, that thing is cheap at $30, but for that price it will work? Do I need a new switch? The drivers one has an extra "click" on the up and down to activate the auto feature. Also the auto feature has a sensor that will stop if something like an arm gets in there.
Will this make the passenger window always "auto" up and down?

Pretty much the auto up/down feature is activated by moving the switch either up or down at which point the auto feature begins. Sounds great right....for the most part it is, unless you only want to roll the window down an inch. If this is what you desire, you almost have to double tap the switch, once to start the process and once to stop it. It works fine if you want to roll it down a couple of inches....just hold it till you get to where you want to stop and release the switch.

Just a note...there are very few if any authorized sellers of DEI products on Ebay....so buyer beware.

he is correct on that. auto up/down is automatic once you put this module in on the passenger window, not activated by the second "click" on the factory switch like the driver is. once you hit up or down that is the direction it travels until you hit the switch again, doesnt matter which direction, to get it to stop. for instance, if you hit down, the window starts down and will not stop until you either press down again on the switch or up on the switch at which point it will stop moving or the window get all the way down. there are trade offs that you must expect when you are trying to get the truck to do things that it wasnt designed to do from the factory and this is one of them. do you want auto up/down on the second window that bad, and do you mind hitting the button a second time to stop it where it is? for me the answer is yes and no, in that order. :) what is it for you? i have mine comming from a friend at DEI now but there are a few on ebay for a decent price and i can draw up a diagram for anyone that is interested in doing this so no wires have to be run into the door, just factory ones hooked up.

Just wondering if anyone has done this yet, i want to have an auto switch for the passinger side window like their is for the dirvers side (aka one click up one click down) so all i have to do is push them both and they come up automatically. i did a search and didant find anything.

Multiple Threads Merged.

Has anyone mod'd the passenger window to have the auto-up / down function? I assume since the driver's side has to be programmed after a battery change that this is a function of the BCM (body control module?) as well as a feature of the switch too?

Threads Merged.


The auto up/down feature is controlled by the control unit built into the drivers door switch.

Has anyone mod'd the passenger window to have the auto-up / down function? I assume since the driver's side has to be programmed after a battery change that this is a function of the BCM (body control module?) as well as a feature of the switch too?

the auto limiting is done by the driver window switch itself if i am not mistaken. the driver window motor wires are all between the switch and the motor itself, nothing besides power supply coming from the underdash fuse box.

The auto control window consists of two main parts - the switch/control unit and the motor/encoder. Without both parts it's simply not going to work right.

Without getting technical - the motor that moves the window actually sends pulses to the 'switch' in order for the 'magic' to happen. The switch alone isn't going to work.

If you're so inclined to try here's the switch.

Window Switch Honda part # 35750-SCV-A01ZA should be able to find it about any of the normal places.

81968

Thanks for the merge, as usual, I searched but didn't find what I was looking for. So the switch is a no-brainer, but does anyone know if the driver's motor has the same bolt pattern as the passenger's?

Has anyone actually done this mod successfully using OEM parts?

I'm interested in this too. I've been doing some research, but I hear that it's a pretty difficult task to do. They should have made that a standard. All cars should actually, does it cost that much to add an auto function to both windows? Anyway, i'm looking forward to future posts.