Good Grief, I'm sitting here at work, and am listening to the MOST PITIFUL sound in the world. Half a block away from me is a house that has a pet carrier/crate on the front porch, and inside is a small black puppy CRYING HIS LITTLE HEART OUT!!! It sounds like the poor thing is being murdered!!! If I hadn't walked down there myself, I would honestly have thought that this poor baby was being tortured...I'm not sure as yet that he/she ISN'T!!! I didn't look to see if there was food or water in the crate, as I don't know the people there at the house, and didn't want to get this puppy's hopes up that it would be taken out and loved.

ARRRRGGGH....I've never gone through THAT with any puppy I've ever had - of course, I've never left a puppy outside in an empty crate without a blanket or towel to lie on either.

Am I overly concerned here??:-?:cry::cry:

Depends on how long it's been out there maybe? Crate training can be so hard on some pups but it's like letting a baby cry in a crib ... it's okay for "a little while" to let them cry but for how long? "Not too long." Hard to be definitive, but I feel for you - horrible to hear a little puppy so upset!

Depends on how long it's been out there maybe? Crate training can be so hard on some pups but it's like letting a baby cry in a crib ... it's okay for "a little while" to let them cry but for how long? "Not too long." Hard to be definitive, but I feel for you - horrible to hear a little puppy so upset!

This has been going on for about 2 hours now. I think the people work, but this is just ridiculous!!! I'm half tempted to call animal control. To me this is very cruel! Maybe I'm just too sensitive?:mad:

I don't think that would be crate training. Not outside and with out blanket or food or anything.

Where are you? How cold is it? How long has this been going on?

Something just isn't right. If it continues for to long I'd be doing/calling someone.

I don't think that would be crate training. Not outside and with out blanket or food or anything.

Where are you? How cold is it? How long has this been going on?

Something just isn't right. If it continues for to long I'd be doing/calling someone.


Thankfully, it's really nice out right now - 65 degrees, and the rain has stopped and the sun is coming out - it is on a sheltered porch....but if it continues, I WILL call animal control and at least have it checked out. These people had a dog once before that they kept in a crate. I don't like this at all!!!

Thankfully, it's really nice out right now - 65 degrees, and the rain has stopped and the sun is coming out - it is on a sheltered porch....but if it continues, I WILL call animal control and at least have it checked out. These people had a dog once before that they kept in a crate. I don't like this at all!!!

Check your messages when you have time.....could not post part of my response.:)

Wow, I agree that two hours is too long. I was thinking like 20 minutes maybe. :(

Well, I'll toss my two cents worth is...

this isn't crate training... although I 'feel' it's more lack of knowledge (stupidity) on the humans part.

They may need more info on how to deal with a puppy before they callously dispose of it in a shelter - or worse.

Is there any way you could put a note on the crate - tell them the pup has been crying/yelling blood murder for hours.... give them these links too... (then smack them upside the head)

http://www.petfinder.com/journal/index.cgi?keyword=puppy

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/tpuppy.html (http://www.canismajor.com/dog/tpuppy.html)

http://www.purina.com/dogs/puppies/index.aspx

What you're describing is "storage" not crate training. :evil: Crating involves letting the bugger out to pee and poop. Sounds like someone is too lazy to train and is just using the crate to keep 'im from peein' on the carpet.

No blanket or water...Stoopid humans. I'd suggest a good slappin' but I'll bet they wouldn't get the point.:mad:

Well, I'll toss my two cents worth is...

this isn't crate training... although I 'feel' it's more lack of knowledge (stupidity) on the humans part.

They may need more info on how to deal with a puppy before they callously dispose of it in a shelter - or worse.

Is there any way you could put a note on the crate - tell them the pup has been crying/yelling blood murder for hours.... give them these links too... (then smack them upside the head)

http://www.petfinder.com/journal/index.cgi?keyword=puppy

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/tpuppy.html (http://www.canismajor.com/dog/tpuppy.html)

http://www.purina.com/dogs/puppies/index.aspx

I've called the city Animal Control - If I knew the people I WOULD walk up and slap the crap out of them!!! This poor puppy is going to be traumatized because of this, I'm sure of it!

I've called the city Animal Control - If I knew the people I WOULD walk up and slap the crap out of them!!! This poor puppy is going to be traumatized because of this, I'm sure of it!

In a way yes, but people really are pretty stupid when they get puppies, it's a lot like having babies... there really should be a requirement that people actually have an understanding of what they are getting into.

The pup is scared, plain and simple. The crate shouldn't be something the dog fears, it defeats the whole purpose.

Crates can be (and should be) used and be a tremendous benefit to the dog and the humans....

Sadly, most people go into it blindly, make some really bad decisions, and then toss the 'unruly' dog... go figure... :rolleyes:

god --thank you for calling animal control. please let us know if you hear (or don't hear) anything else! you did the right thing!!

for what it's worth, i don't believe in crate training -- it is a popular new "trend" in my opinion. i never heard of crate training until recently. Yes, i have read and heard the success stories, whatever, it is not for me. i do not think dogs love their crates, and i don't think it is like having a "den" in the wild. Wild dogs in their dens can get up and leave when they need to.

just my very strong opinion/rant

:mad:If it continues, let me know. I will come up there and add another puppy to my household! (As if 3 wasn't enough)

Bob

Lackeymack61................UPDATE PLEASE !!!!

Laceymack, definitely give us an update!!!

for what it's worth, i don't believe in crate training -- it is a popular new "trend" in my opinion. i never heard of crate training until recently. Yes, i have read and heard the success stories, whatever, it is not for me. i do not think dogs love their crates, and i don't think it is like having a "den" in the wild. Wild dogs in their dens can get up and leave when they need to.

just my very strong opinion/rant

/rant tag noted :D

Crate training can be and is a great way to deal with dogs that have a tendency to be very destructive in the house when you're not there. A friend of mine has a dog who's the absolute greatest dog in the world...except when there's a thunderstorm. Then he will literally destroy doors and chew apart entire couches he gets so upset. They have him on meds and they've gone through training which has helped a lot, but they can't afford to replace a couch every time a storm comes up and they're out somewhere. So they crate him when they leave home and let him out when they come back.

One big detail a lot of people miss is that the crate is NEVER EVER to be used as a punishment or dog holding box. We had to crate our Aussie when we got her because she was more or less wild, unsocialized, and extremely understimulated. We either had to crate her when we were gone or have someone home 24/7 monitoring her. But we were very careful to let her know that her crate is a safe place she can go and nobody will bother her there. We fed her treats in her crate and she gets dinner in it every night. All day long now her crate sits open and she very often will go lay down in it when there's a lot of activity in the house. When we leave and really need her crated (very infrequently these days), we give her a treat in the crate and she very gladly goes in, eats it, and lies down for a nap, then she's released as soon as we get home.

I've seen many many people who mis-use crate training though, using it as a punishment and a dog holder for when they don't want the dog around. If you're not ready to get a dog and have the commitment to give it the best care possible, then you damn well shouldn't get one period. They're just kids with fur, paws, and different social needs. And lord knows if you try to lock your kids in a crate when you don't want them around you'll be getting a visit from the friendly local law enforcement!!

SORRY GUYS - I've been up to eyeballs today -

The Animal Control officer went by the house - I sat here and watched for it to happen - took them at least 45 minutes more to respond. Heaven forbid they should miss a few minutes of lunch time for a poor animal.....

ANYWAY - they went by - I didn't go out, but the officer must have gone up on the porch and talked to the puppy - I don't know if the owner was cited or not, but I haven't heard any barking or crying from over that way.

I also found out in the course of the day that I know someone who knows the people who live there, and I wrote the girl I know an email and expressed my fears to her that this kind of treatment was completely inappropriate. I didn't get a response back, but at least I'm not hearing any agonizing cries.

I hope they are treating this puppy better now. Actually, I hope they were cited. Maybe the dog cops will keep an eye out and an ear open for this one.

I know I am

And lord knows if you try to lock your kids in a crate when you don't want them around you'll be getting a visit from the friendly local law enforcement!!

only if you leave them out on the front porch.... ;-)

just sayin'

only if you leave them out on the front porch.... ;-)

just sayin'


No, better to put THEM in the padded, sound proof room in the basement ;-)

I see where people think of crate training as cruel, butI agree with Twi..

When we go to work Sage goes in her kennel, and many times she will kennel her self during the day just to hang out. Every day when she goes in she gets a treat and actually "kennel up" is the only command that she does every time without fuss.

I would love to keep her un-kenneled but she has seperation anxiety so bad she destroys everything. :-(

P.S we got her the biggest crate we could fine, it's meant for 150+ lb dogs. She is 66 lbs. She has lots of room.

However, that being said what the were doing to the puppy is dog storage. I under stand having to crate the puppy, but why keep it on the porch?

YOU HAVE A SAGE????????? PICHAS PICHAS PICHAS PICHAS PICHAS!!!!!!

please?????

ps---ok,ok i acknowledge the good points about crates--sigh-- but not those who abuse them--like Twi said.

my dogs have their own bedroom, i guess that is their crate

LOL...sorry *Sarge not Sage

oh--SARGE--yes i have seen that beautiful boy.

ps---ok,ok i acknowledge the good points about crates--sigh-- but not those who abuse them--like Twi said.

To me it's just like having kids. There are a lot of people who either abuse their kids (over-discipline) or are too concerned with being their kid's best friend (under-discipline). With either pets or kids comes a great deal of responsibility and most people aren't ready to handle it no matter how much they prepare (or don't). Many of them adapt and do wonderfully well but there's a seemingly equal number who don't and end up being miserable and having miserable kids/pets.

Just my $.02...

I was dog sitting (as usual) for a friend, and she took off to Mexico shortly after getting a new puppy (typical). Anyway I was saddled with a golden retriever and a golden/springer mix puppy for a couple of months. I tried my hardest to keep with the crate training but the puppy would whine non-stop all night. So finally I broke after a week and started letting him sleep on the bed with the other dog. The funny thing, when my friend got back, the puppy would only listen to me! (serves her right)

I was dog sitting (as usual) for a friend, and she took off to Mexico shortly after getting a new puppy (typical). Anyway I was saddled with a golden retriever and a golden/springer mix puppy for a couple of months. I tried my hardest to keep with the crate training but the puppy would whine non-stop all night. So finally I broke after a week and started letting him sleep on the bed with the other dog. The funny thing, when my friend got back, the puppy would only listen to me! (serves her right)

IMHO crating is absolutely not for at night. If you're home, except in rate exceptional situations, the dog should be uncrated. Crating at night is essentially punishing them by cutting them off from you. Of course they're going to cry!

Good for you that the dog would only listen to you, serves her right indeed! :D

She's a good friend but stupid sometimes. Man I would feel horrible if I had kept him kenneled for two months. I just started taking the dogs with me everywhere. I was laid off from fighting fire so I could. As I said I'm a cat person, but I see what you mean, dogs are pack animals and they want to stay with the pack. My cat gets mad if I'm gone too long, and is happiest when me and my girlfriend are home.
Meet George...

She's a good friend but stupid sometimes. Man I would feel horrible if I had kept him kenneled for two months. I just started taking the dogs with me everywhere. I was laid off from fighting fire so I could. As I said I'm a cat person, but I see what you mean, dogs are pack animals and they want to stay with the pack. My cat gets mad if I'm gone too long, and is happiest when me and my girlfriend are home.
Meet George...

He's adorable :D And probably highly evil if I read him correctly...

To be honest I'm completely a cat person. I LIKE dogs, but they're really not my thing. I prefer my fuzzy purry little killing machines :rolleyes: My wife's the exact opposite - looooves dogs and thinks cats are ok.

That being said, when I agreed to let dogs in the house (and yes, it's an agreement), I take on the responsibility of giving them the best care possible that I can give them. Good food, attention, running, petting, everything a dog needs. To do any less would be an insult to my dogs and to me. And my wife gives the best care to our cats too. We've taken them out of any environment that they have any hope of understanding and put them into our own modern world, so it's our responsibility that they can still lead a good, healthy, happy, and fulfilled life as dogs.

The same applies to kids.

Falling asleep, should've had more coffee...

He's adorable :D And probably highly evil if I read him correctly...



I take on the responsibility of giving them the best care possible that I can give them. Good food, attention, running, petting, everything a dog needs. To do any less would be an insult to my dogs and to me. And my wife gives the best care to our cats too. We've taken them out of any environment that they have any hope of understanding and put them into our own modern world, so it's our responsibility that they can still lead a good, healthy, happy, and fulfilled life as dogs.

The same applies to kids.

Falling asleep, should've had more coffee...

Yes, he is the naughtiest cat imaginable. The path of destruction is five miles wide. But his charm is equal to his naughtiness. Oh and I couldn't agree more. They have a public service announcement in Montana about how it's cruel to leave your dog outside.

Yes, he is the naughtiest cat imaginable. The path of destruction is five miles wide. But his charm is equal to his naughtiness. Oh and I couldn't agree more. They have a public service announcement in Montana about how it's cruel to leave your dog outside.

Sounds like my big black male cat, Fernando Martinez (but he only answers to "kitty"). Destruct-o-matic by day, snuggly purry big stuffed animal by night...

My big black tomcat named Bobby Seale is such a sweetheart, his sister Moon Unit is the death and destruction kitty....we love her anyway!

What does a 500lb bird say?...here kitty, kitty, kitty...:twisted: What do you want it's after 3am??