I have raised dogs all of my adult life. Read books, learned from mistakes and they have all been exceptional. Right now, I have a two-year old lab who, for lack of a more appropriate word, turned out perfect. Smart, athletic, perpetual puppy lab mentality who always plays yet practices perfect discipline.

Time to add to the family. I applied to adopt a puppy at my local shelter staffed by canine facist losers. Do I have a yard? Yes. Is it fenced? No, (never a problem, never had one of my kids run away or even out of the yard). Are you home all day? No, (God forbid, I need to work full-time to keep a roof over puppies head). I was denied. Then, the guy who owns the huge farm where my wife boards her horse was turned down because only the corral part of the farm was fenced! And, he's there all of the time. Unbelievable.

This is a puppy, not a child. Now, after a plethora of creative and colorful meaphors directed toward these dog Nazis, (they won't forget me), I'm going to a breeder, gonna plunk down my money where no one asks any questions and take home a pure-breed and some poor puppy who would otherwise have gotten a great home is left to rot in a cage.

All dog Nazis should die a puss-filled death.

Sorry to hear that Bob.

When we got our pups the shelter actually came to inspect our friggin house! Dorks.:rolleyes:

Not to offend anyone who works in gov't (civic or otherwise).

A lot of these people are just filling in bubbles on a questionaire. No thinking, too much trouble. I see it all the time here (state employee).

It's too bad that they're only hurting the dogs.

next time lie about the fence

I got my Megan from the Aussie Rescue folks. Aside from the application it was pretty painless. I think the issue is the ability, (temperament) of some of the folks who volunteer in these organizations. I try to keep focused on the thought that they love dogs and their heart is in the right place, even if they let the process and their role in it go to their head.

My advice is to ask Gisele to go get that dog for you.

** just be sure she doesn't keep it herself **

Bob,

:cool: I understand your distaste of Shelter workers, but to claim they are Dog Nazi, facists is a bit over the top.

Having done Rescue for 15yrs, I've had an occassion to turn someone down. And while they didn't like it, I was able to tell them why and point out my concerns.

Before you spoke your mind to the Shelter workers, did you bother to ask what was their reasoning behind denial? What is your county like? Do they adopt out a lot of dogs or not?

There are a lot of things to consider here. Their adoption rate vs. their requirements is one. Did you know their requirements prior to submitting an application?

There is also the possibility of a personality conflict. :rolleyes: While I don't like to admit it, not that anyone would admit to it, some of the power hungry, I'm gonna save as many as I can, types have personality issues and when they meet someone their personality doesn't like, they get defensive.

Did you seek a second opinion regarding your application? If not, and if adoption is still an option for you, google local All Breed Rescues in your area and begin working with them. Or, check out Petfinder (http://petfinder.com) and go that route.

While Supply and Demand will always necessitate the need for breeders, you still have the power to save a lonely, abandoned animal. Please take that route.

Rescuing has it's benefits. And you'll get back 10-fold what you give out!

I will say this about fences. All rescues (not county or gov't) run shelters that I've gotten my pets from require a fence. Why? Because dogs get attracted by things and run...run...runaway.

Also, I had a fence installed when i bought my present home ($2500 8 years ago) to keep my dog in cuz he would for sure chase the deer. And no matter how well-trained he was he was gonna chase deer. The best reason for my fence was that lots of people walk their dogs without leashes or sidle up to my property to let their dogs wander (open space and woods). Many times I was thankful that I had a fence so that the other dogs couldn't get to my Bo Diddley. Some of these dogs I don't know--are they properly vaccinated, would they start a fight, etc.

A puppy is new to this world AND new to your surroundings, so a fence is a good thing. Expensive but good. It would allow the pup to be outside without constant supervision...he/she could have a good 'ol time exploring.

-g

While I'm sure they started out with the best of intentions - not wanting to see the dog treated bad, neglected, whatever - I do see this all too often. It really is troubling to see so many people turned down, not only from shelters but rescues too.

I really wish that there was some kind of 'test' so the shelter/rescue can determine the true intentions of adopters. Sadly there isn't. I have seen too many times when 'that great pup/dog' turns out to be just 'in the way'... it winds up chained to a tree, or just cut loose to wander. Neither of which are good.

I hope someone knows the answer, because you're right, it does turn people away from both rescues and shelters and they go to breeders (reputable or not) leaving the ones at shelters to a questionable fate.

The way it is now, some times everyone looses... :mad:

When we got our pups the shelter actually came to inspect our friggin house! Dorks.:rolleyes:

A shelter that doesn't require a home visit is a shelter that also won't alter an animal. It's also a shelter with a HIGH return rate and a county with a HUGE stray population. :cool:

A lot of these people are just filling in bubbles on a questionaire. No thinking, too much trouble.

Home inspections do serve a purpose, regardless of the type of form the individual is filling out while talking with you and viewing the dog in questions' potential home.

A home inspection is a lot about HEART, Knowledge, and GUT feeling. Without a home inspection, you have no idea what sort of environment you are putting a dog into.

But the worst part is, those that don't do a Follow-up unannounced visit. Because anyone can 'put on a show' for a shelter working in order to get a dog for what ever reason. :cool:

It's too bad that they're only hurting the dogs.

And then yes, there are those who find power to be exhilerating and don't know how to deal with it. It goes to their head and the precieve themselves as the almighty savior and protector of these animals. When in fact, HARM is all they are doing.

The only thing I can suggest is taking your concerns to the Mayor or Town Council. Who ever it is that is responsible for filling those positions. And if the Adoption Coordinator is a volunteer, ask to speak with the Shelter Director.

We aren't all power hungry, high and mighty, Nazis facists.

A shelter that doesn't require a home visit is a shelter that also won't alter an animal. It's also a shelter with a HIGH return rate and a county with a HUGE stray population. :cool:



Home inspections do serve a purpose, regardless of the type of form the individual is filling out while talking with you and viewing the dog in questions' potential home.

A home inspection is a lot about HEART, Knowledge, and GUT feeling. Without a home inspection, you have no idea what sort of environment you are putting a dog into.

But the worst part is, those that don't do a Follow-up unannounced visit. Because anyone can 'put on a show' for a shelter working in order to get a dog for what ever reason. :cool:



And then yes, there are those who find power to be exhilerating and don't know how to deal with it. It goes to their head and the precieve themselves as the almighty savior and protector of these animals. When in fact, HARM is all they are doing.

The only thing I can suggest is taking your concerns to the Mayor or Town Council. Who ever it is that is responsible for filling those positions. And if the Adoption Coordinator is a volunteer, ask to speak with the Shelter Director.

We aren't all power hungry, high and mighty, Nazis facists.

But she is power hungry, high, and mighty! She's my BFF :)

-g

I agree, we were looking for a shelter dog and same problem, we weren't home enough because we both worked. But the Doggie door works just fine. This is why I don't donate to the rescue places, because they hoard dogs until they can't afford the meds and expenses then beg us to donate and in the end a good chuck of them don't find home and end up put down. Franklin county just put down 400+ dogs in January.

Pay for it yourself! don't make me feel bad that the dog has to die when I'm a perfectly good home. Boomer seems to like it. He's the pug we went and bought.

But she is power hungry, high, and mighty! She's my BFF :)

-g

I surely do love you! :D Oh, and what is good for me to DROP Atlas off at your place? ;-)

He told me last night I wasn't good enough anymore and that Ms. G was who he wanted. :D

Curious to see if any of you who have had these experiences with Shelters ever bothered to attend a Town Council Meeting.

These Shelter Directors are appointed or elected, you do know this?! Make your displeasure known, take it to the local paper or TV station.

Why are these animals being forced to Suffer at the hands of a Power Trippin' Shelter Director who feels NO ONE is perfect enough to adopt from them?!!

But to say becuase of a HUMAN on a power trip, you would rather NOT donate to a Helpless and suffering animal who's in a situation BEYOND it's control, is BEYOND ME! :mad::mad:

I agree, we were looking for a shelter dog and same problem, we weren't home enough because we both worked. But the Doggie door works just fine. This is why I don't donate to the rescue places, because they hoard dogs until they can't afford the meds and expenses then beg us to donate and in the end a good chuck of them don't find home and end up put down. Franklin county just put down 400+ dogs in January.

Pay for it yourself! don't make me feel bad that the dog has to die when I'm a perfectly good home. Boomer seems to like it. He's the pug we went and bought.

This is not all rescues. I know you are only speaking from you very own personal experience. I have adopted from rescues and volunteered for rescues. There was/is no dog hoarding with the rescues I was associated with.

Also, people please do not confuse a rescue volunteer organization with city/county run shelters. They are not the same thing.

As was said in another thread, it is important to research and investigate any rescue organization/breeder/pet adoption agency that you hope to deal with. Not all orgs and not all people are reputable or good.

Bob,

:cool: I understand your distaste of Shelter workers, but to claim they are Dog Nazi, facists is a bit over the top.

Having done Rescue for 15yrs, I've had an occassion to turn someone down. And while they didn't like it, I was able to tell them why and point out my concerns.

Before you spoke your mind to the Shelter workers, did you bother to ask what was their reasoning behind denial? What is your county like? Do they adopt out a lot of dogs or not?

There are a lot of things to consider here. Their adoption rate vs. their requirements is one. Did you know their requirements prior to submitting an application?

There is also the possibility of a personality conflict. :rolleyes: While I don't like to admit it, not that anyone would admit to it, some of the power hungry, I'm gonna save as many as I can, types have personality issues and when they meet someone their personality doesn't like, they get defensive.

Did you seek a second opinion regarding your application? If not, and if adoption is still an option for you, google local All Breed Rescues in your area and begin working with them. Or, check out Petfinder (http://petfinder.com) and go that route.

While Supply and Demand will always necessitate the need for breeders, you still have the power to save a lonely, abandoned animal. Please take that route.

Rescuing has it's benefits. And you'll get back 10-fold what you give out!

I can't lie about the fence, they want to come and "inspect" me. I think they said something about a background check and a stule sample.

I did question their motives. Know what they told me? They didnt believe my answer on the app where it asked under what circumstances would I part with a dog. I said NONE - and meant it. I love my dogs as much as any human and I would die before I gave em up. I even donate money to SPCA monthly, (and we didn't even get to their rate).

You should be greatful their are people willing to open their homes and hearts to a strange dog. What have you done to stop puppy mills unchecked? What does the "shelter community" do to stop an entire subculture of dog-fighting? Nada. They spend their time persecuting, (correct word), real dog-lovers.

I think my assessment is spot-on. I have been denied on two occassions now, (and other people I know), out of hand without hardly been given an opportunity to state my case. The majority of shelter workers are power-hungry and get off on it. The proof is in your own statement. I kissed these people's ass right up until the point where I was told "NO" before I lost it. They had an attitude from day 1. You should urge your colleagues to deflate their egos and think of the poor animal that provides them the opportunity to play God in the first place.

I can't lie about the fence, they want to come and "inspect" me. I think they said something about a background check and a stule sample.

Yours??


I did question their motives. Know what they told me? They didnt believe my answer on the app where it asked under what circumstances would I part with a dog. I said NONE - and meant it. I love my dogs as much as any human and I would die before I gave em up. I even donate money to SPCA monthly, (and we didn't even get to their rate).

I say that, too.


You should be greatful their are people willing to open their homes and hearts to a strange dog. What have you done to stop puppy mills unchecked? What does the "shelter community" do to stop an entire subculture of dog-fighting? Nada. They spend their time persecuting, (correct word), real dog-lovers.

Most volunteers that I work with at rescues volunteer their time, energy and dollars for a myriad of causes including animal welfare in general and humane treatment of animals. It's rare to find someone solely volunteering for the animal rescue. In my area, some of the larger no-kill shelters have advocacy wings that work on the broader issues that help stop the over-population of animals, in-humane treatment of animals, offer puppy classes, obedience classes, legislative awareness, etc.

Good luck in finding another pet to add to your family.

I thought this was about Nazi Dogs. Ach! Du scheisse.

I can't lie about the fence, they want to come and "inspect" me. I think they said something about a background check and a stule sample.

I did question their motives. Know what they told me? They didnt believe my answer on the app where it asked under what circumstances would I part with a dog. I said NONE - and meant it. I love my dogs as much as any human and I would die before I gave em up. I even donate money to SPCA monthly, (and we didn't even get to their rate).

You should be greatful their are people willing to open their homes and hearts to a strange dog. What have you done to stop puppy mills unchecked? What does the "shelter community" do to stop an entire subculture of dog-fighting? Nada. They spend their time persecuting, (correct word), real dog-lovers.

I think my assessment is spot-on. I have been denied on two occassions now, (and other people I know), out of hand without hardly been given an opportunity to state my case. The majority of shelter workers are power-hungry and get off on it. The proof is in your own statement. I kissed these people's ass right up until the point where I was told "NO" before I lost it. They had an attitude from day 1. You should urge your colleagues to deflate their egos and think of the poor animal that provides them the opportunity to play God in the first place.

OKAY, first off, I NEVER told you to lie about a fence. And second, I am NOT a shelter worker, so don't direct your venom towards me. While I've been involved with PRIVATE Rescue for years, I have never turned someone down solely because they held a full time job or didn't have a fenced yard.

As for you 'spot-on' assessment, you have encountered a power hungry individual and your only response was to go off? You'll never get anywhere behaving immaturely, but that is JMHO. :confused:

Now, if you feel so strongly about this, why have you not spoken with the County Administrator about it? Sought council with the Mayor or even sat in on a Town Meeting? This woman is Elected &/or Appointed, step up and tell someone just how she's behaving!

I just don't get it, this country is SUE happy, yet when they are denied a dog, they sit back on the hunches and let a voiceless animal suffer while they bad mouth Shelters and Rescue groups. :mad::mad:

My wife once worked for the local humane society and quit because of the issues being discussed in this thread (Director, committee, and managing staff were too power-driven, power-tripping). The poor animals seemed to take a back seat to the politics of the institution. She now works with several rescue groups. Home visits are the norm not only during the adoption application process but also later as a follow-up. Checking with an adoption applicant's vet (if they are/were a previous pet owner) will reveal loads of information on how the potential pet owner will treat their new pet. We deal with dogs that have come from extreme situations and have issues that make it imperative to find the right home that will suite the needs of the particular animal so my wife tends to be extremely thorough when screening applications. Some people may be put off by the process but it is a necessity.

I thought this was about Nazi Dogs. Ach! Du scheisse.

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LMAO! Ist das nicht die Wahrheit der Sache?

LMAO! Ist das nicht die Wahrheit der Sache?

Oh no! Don't get her started speaking German. It's like Mortisha speaking French to Gomez.

I got my Allie-Gator from the local SPCA. (2nd time--the 1st one "Lacy", was hit by a car at 13yrs) I did fill out the form.
I can't remember all the questions, they were just a few.
Asked where I would keep her was the main question. No one checked my yard or house.
Asked about kids and ages of kids, I remember.

It's not the best Organization around. They are very well known for gasing any animal brought in locally. Someone dumped kittens off at a local park, and I took them to the next town over, to a 'NO KILL" shelter.

But they do adopt out animals, and I think they just want to make sure the animal is right for you..Which is the way it should be.

Added note, there is always way too many birds, rabbits and lizzards there. I hadn't realized how many people got these animals and decided they didn't want them.
They also have a lot of Pit Bulls, which are very popular around here. It's hard to find a dog without pit bull in it.

I just don't get it, this country is SUE happy, yet when they are denied a dog, they sit back on the hunches and let a voiceless animal suffer while they bad mouth Shelters and Rescue groups. :mad::mad:

Because the courts couldn't give a rip about animals and how they are treated. Attys don't want to be bothered because there isn't much money in suing the animal agency or the shelter. Also, why would I want to spend $1,000s in legal bills to get a mutt when I can plunk down $500 and get a new puppy with no hassle?

Cost benefit analysis sucks, doesn't it.

The very first time I visited a shelter with the intentions to adopt, I lived in Yuma, AZ. :cool:

They niether questioned me, nor required an application or altering of the dog being adopted. They didn't bother with a home visit or a follow-up.

For all they knew I was adopting this little Pit puppy to be my dinner that night. :confused:

I picked Kacie out, took her to the front desk, paid my $23 dollars and walked out the door with her in my hand.

Yeah, I want a shelter like this in my county. NOT!!

I can only hope that in the past 13yrs, they've made HUGE changes. *fingers crossed*

Because the courts couldn't give a rip about animals and how they are treated. Attys don't want to be bothered because there isn't much money in suing the animal agency or the shelter. Also, why would I want to spend $1,000s in legal bills to get a mutt when I can plunk down $500 and get a new puppy with no hassle?

Cost benefit analysis sucks, doesn't it.

Okay Jus, you've misinterrupted what I was saying. I DID NOT suggest you sue the shelter. I was stating the fact that this country is sooo quick to sue someone, hell, anyone really for any little enfraction against them.

YET, somehow, they fail to take action in support of the voiceless animals. They choose to sit back on their haunches and grip, moan, belly ache, and spit venom lumping both State/County run Shelters and Privately funded 501 (3)(c) Rescue Groups together.

THAT IS MY PROBLEM!

Yeah, I want a shelter like this in my county. NOT!!


Sincerely, what is wrong with this? You don't want your dog, I do, give it to me. Life span 10-13 years and by the time i get it there's only less than 7 to go. It's not like it's a child that will grow up and start shooting people because of a messed up childhood. Couldn't they just do a background check on the people adopting to see if there is a history of abuse, if there isn't then fork over the mutt.

Okay Jus, you've misinterrupted what I was saying.

So what am I suppose to get my atty to do? Speak FOR the dogs to WHO?

Sincerely, what is wrong with this? You don't want your dog, I do, give it to me. Life span 10-13 years and by the time i get it there's only less than 7 to go. It's not like it's a child that will grow up and start shooting people because of a messed up childhood. Couldn't they just do a background check on the people adopting to see if there is a history of abuse, if there isn't then fork over the mutt.

[edited by moderator] Kacie has been with me since she was 5wks old, she is now 13yrs old and the absolute LOVE of my life!!

Do me a favor, [edited by moderator] listen to what it is I am sayin!! :-x:-x

This shelter took NO PRECAUTIONS to ensure the health and well being of the Kacie. They had no idea what type of owner I was, or would be.

They choose to NOT know me, or anything about me, NOT to check references, or do a home visit to ensure Kacie would grow up safe, sound, and loved!

Do you understand why I do not want a shelter like this anywhere in my county?! I live in a county, that at this very moment, there are 2, count them TWO known Pit bull fighting rings! My current county Shelter, while AWESOME, are about 85% Pit bull and 100% ALWAYS full!

A shelter that does not ensure the safety of it's charges is not worthy of any support what so ever and should be shut down. A shelter that won't alter a dog to cut down on the already OVERpopulation of unwanted animals, deserves NO support. A shelter that won't take a hour out of a staff member's day to inspect a home or even do a follow-up is not a shelter worth my time.

It's Shelters like these that perpetuate the maddness that is PuppyMilling, Hoarding, BYBing, and Dog Fighting and the over all abuse/neglect/abandonment of these voiceless creatures.

I like ice cream. Strawberry specifically.

Neglected dogs and cats being treated
Celtic Pets Rescue owner and operator Zonda MacIsaac will likely face animal cruelty charges
ERIN POTTIE
The Cape Breton Post

PORT HASTINGS — Dozens of cats and dogs are receiving medical care after they were found soaked in urine and covered in their own feces at an animal rescue shelter.
Considered one of the worst cases of neglect ever found by the provincial SPCA, officials say the case is especially difficult since it involves one of their own — an animal rescuer.
More than 80 animals were seized, including a living cat caged with a dead cat, after officials obtained a search warrant and entered two buildings at Celtic Pets Rescue on Cenotaph Road, Port Hastings, Saturday.
Its owner and operator Zonda MacIsaac, is a well-known animal rescuer who has placed more than 500 unwanted and homeless pets into adoption in the last six years.
Her mother, Alice MacIsaac, was an SPCA special agent/special constable, giving her the authority to investigate reports of abuse and animal neglect. She is also a former member of the SPCA board of directors and has been listed as vice-president of Celtic Pets Rescue.
The SPCA removed Alice MacIsaac from her positions in October and Zonda will likely face animal cruelty charges.
Both MacIsaacs were unavailable for comment Monday, however an unidentified woman answering Alice MacIsaac’s phone said she was at a hospital in Sydney attending to her daughter.
Nova Scotia SPCA began investigating the shelter in October after receiving a phone call from someone claiming its operator seemed to be neglecting the animals. The SPCA visited the shelter but officials were only allowed entry into an unfinished kennel building. At the time, Celtic Pets reported only 10 cats and 11 dogs under its care.
After obtaining a warrant to enter the second building — an unoccupied house — SPCA members found cats running free in a basement full of sewage. High amounts of animal urine burned the eyes and throat of an investigator and the use of protective gas masks were not enough to relieve the smell of ammonia.
A total of 61 cats and 27 dogs were removed, however more than 100 animals are believed to have been found in the two buildings. A second warrant was obtained Monday, giving provincial SPCA members the opportunity to seize another 20 to 30 cats.
“The female officer couldn’t even talk she was bawling and then the other officer was so overwhelmed he was getting physically sick,” said SPCA provincial president Pamela Keddy of Saturday’s search. “There was a lot of fecal matter — I mean the cats were just drenched in it — we have white cats that are a shade of brown.”
One dog and one cat were found dead. Two other cats had broken paws that were untreated and didn’t fuse properly. Many cats have ear mites and upper respiratory illnesses and most of the animals were dehydrated. A few of the animals have been placed on IVs and some may have urinary blockages.
“We had had an existing relationship with (Zonda MacIsaac) prior to her opening a kennel. She had solely relied on foster homes and there was no physical building to inspect,” said Keddy. “So when she constructed this building, we had asked to inspect it, but it was always in a state of construction so it never quite happened.”
Keddy says the SPCA had no reason to believe the shelter wasn’t up to code. The SPCA had been providing Celtic Pets with donations of food, bedding and other animals supplies. The society will now be re-evaluating its partnerships with animal welfare groups.
Keddy says there are no regulations for anyone opening a rescue shelter, which must be listed as charitable groups or societies.
In 2006, Zonda MacIsaac made a public plea for support after claiming complaints from a disgruntled neighbour would lead to the closure of the shelter. She received hundreds of letters of support on her behalf.
Guido Scharfenberg watched Saturday as the animals were removed from the building next to his home.
“It was a very mixed up feeling because first we were very relieved and then after 12, 13, 14 dogs, they still brought some more out. We thought ‘Holy cow, how (many) more are in there?’ We didn’t have an idea it was so bad — I mean we assumed it was bad — but not so bad.”
Celtic Pets Rescue has not been registered with the Registry of Joint Stocks since 2002. However, the independently run shelter holds a contract with the Town of Port Hawkesbury to house stray animals.
“They are our animal control services provider and we have not had a problem with them since they’ve had that contract,” said Colin MacDonald, chief administrative officer for the town. But MacDonald said an animal hasn’t been impounded at the Celtic Pets facility since it opened. Instead the town has its own facility at the public works site in a heated building with a caged area for the animals to get outside.
Town council will discuss that contract tonight at its regular meeting.
SPCA officials say they will likely lay charges in the next few weeks but are currently searching the shelter buildings to make sure no animal — alive or dead — is left behind. They hope to eventually have the seized animals adopted.

So what am I suppose to get my atty to do? Speak FOR the dogs to WHO?

This is it, [edited by moderator] you've managed to find my one and only button! :mad:

If you need a lawyer to fight your battles, you've lost already.

What part of "Attend a Town Council Meeting or request an appointment with the Mayor to discuss this over-jealous Shelter Director and the fact that good homes are being denied and animals are dying because of it" did you not understand?!

I like ice cream. Strawberry specifically.

Sorry, but at this point, that aint going to do it!! :mad:

I god damn need a friggin' Bannana Split!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a BIG one at that!!!!










**aw hell, that bottle of Vodka at home will do just fine!**

Sorry, but at this point, that aint going to do it!! :mad:

I god damn need a friggin' Bannana Split!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a BIG one at that!!!!


**aw hell, that bottle of Vodka at home will do just fine!**

I have mojito mix if you'll make it. ;-)

I have mojito mix if you'll make it. ;-)

awww.. :lol::lol: You are so ON! :D












**Thank you G, really.. **

The truly sad part about all this is there *is not standard* used in any shelter/rescue/backyard breeder. Each is motivated by their own 'ideals'. Some it certainly is a 'power trip' I have personally dealt with those type shelters. Sadly, quite a few of them look at rescue as 'undeserving' of placing a dog too.

Rescues aren't immune to the problems either, sadly I have dealt with some shelters and rescues that have that same 'power trip' problem. Thankfully, in both shelter and rescues that I have personally dealt with, these type of people are in the minority.

I know of several shelters that have absolutely no requirements, 'hoops to jump through' if you will, in order to adopt an animal. Yet at the same time I can show you some that I honestly think wouldn't let anyone adopt. There has to be a 'middle ground' where the welfare of the animal is given consideration, without all the 'anal' requirements.

Yes, sadly there are people in animal welfare positions - from small county run shelters to large national and even international rescue foundations that in my opinion are doing more harm than good overall. Why? my guess is there are so very few people who actually have the desire or inkling to do anything for the critters...

If people really truly cared, not only would they confront (legally) these shady shelter workers though the City councils, or whatever their 'supervisory' group or organization. A lot of the ones working in these shelters that I personally know are begging for help on a daily basis...

Honestly working with animals is not only the most rewarding way to spend your time, it is the most emotionally draining experience you will ever encounter... it truly does bring out the 'inner person' be that good or bad...

FYI background checks are not limited to shelters in this neck of the woods.

All the Westie breeders in B.C. have prospective buyers fill out a questionnaire (including a fenced yard question) and make you sign a contract about animal care before you will be sold a dog.

Sorry, but at this point, that aint going to do it!! :mad:

I god damn need a friggin' Bannana Split!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a BIG one at that!!!!

There's no problem that can't be solved with more ice cream.

There's no problem that can't be solved with more ice cream.

truer words were never spoken. I've had 3 bowls so far this week:D

Jojo's code word for mojito is "ice cream"

-g

Jojo's code word for mojito is "ice cream"

-g

My code word for everything is "ice cream"!:D

Not that I really want to start the mad typing again but am I wrong in that Bob never said anything about rescues? Just shelters. :-? Perhaps everyones anger is misplaced. :???:

Bob, I think you're just a little too bitter over this. Is there another shelter you can try before you resort to a breeder?

And I think the rest of us are taking this just too personally.

*ducking and covering*

Our shelter is a not for profit, funded partially by the city. No elected staff at all. Paid staff and volunteers. It's wierd. Since Lincoln has a living wage law (the shelter staff dosen't make the minimum) they have lost the city portion of thier funding. As a result they don't take in animals from within the city limits. The wife and I regularly donate to them (can't volunteer, will get a house full of dogs).

Clearly this is a topic that people feel passionate about. Fine. But in case anyone had any doubts, name-calling and other personal attacks are not allowed. Carry on.

Conversations were going back and forth about both types of adoption orgs.

Words of wisdom for all:

Find the love a good dog, mellow out, and be happy.

I know this is way off subject but LmentalMastiffs how can I type an Eszett or an Umlaut here?

Conversations were going back and forth about both types of adoption orgs.

Words of wisdom for all:

Find the love a good dog, mellow out, and be happy.

...and if you can't find one, steal one. ;-)

I know this is way off subject but LmentalMastiffs how can I type an Eszett or an Umlaut here?

Oh I know, I know...

ß and ä or ö

:)

...and if you can't find one, steal one. ;-)

I didn't steal her, she simply followed the trail of salmon that lead to the back of my E. She hopped in and I drove off! End of story.

Isn't she cute!?!
47496

RD you should get a dog. :-)

Not that I really want to start the mad typing again but am I wrong in that Bob never said anything about rescues? Just shelters. :-? Perhaps everyones anger is misplaced. :???:

Bob, I think you're just a little too bitter over this. Is there another shelter you can try before you resort to a breeder?

And I think the rest of us are taking this just too personally.

*ducking and covering*

Our shelter is a not for profit, funded partially by the city. No elected staff at all. Paid staff and volunteers. It's wierd. Since Lincoln has a living wage law (the shelter staff dosen't make the minimum) they have lost the city portion of thier funding. As a result they don't take in animals from within the city limits. The wife and I regularly donate to them (can't volunteer, will get a house full of dogs).

Brawsie, You are right. I perhaps took JUS*something or other* just a tad bit too serious.

But I never directed my anger at Bob. But I was just a little frustrated with the assumption that Bob wouldn't bother searching out another Rescue or Shelter before resorting to a Breeder.

No need to *duck and cover* here. I've managed to take a walk and update my blog (http://xanga.com/pitz_rock) about my APBT who's been somewhat of a challenge to me here of late.

Oh I know, I know...

ß and ä or ö

:)

How do Ido it. It's driving me crazy!:shock:

I know this is way off subject but LmentalMastiffs how can I type an Eszett or an Umlaut here?

No idea? Not sure you can. I haven't had the occassion really to use any words that would require either.

Giselle, your stolen baby is adorable:D

How do Ido it. It's driving me crazy!:shock:

I just showed you how I do it.... ;-)

Gisella, that is a cool dog.

I didn't steal her, she simply followed the trail of salmon that lead to the back of my E. She hoped in and I drove off! End of story.

Isn't she cute!?!
47496

RD you should get a dog. :-)

Oh HELL NO..you did NOT just steal my DOG girlfren!!!!!!!!!

...RD you should get a dog. :-)

I thought this thread was all about promoting RESPONSIBLE dog ownership?

Maybe a dog should adopt RD!

Jojo and EL-MT,
Thanks for the compliments. She's a min-Aussie named Megan.

PVR, I was very responsible. I made sure she had water, she rode in a crate, I have a doggie beg for her...OH--

As for adopting RD...he's one of the Un-adoptable. Can't be trained, has obedience issues and isn't house-broken.

ok, before I get killed....

a couple of ways, one - and probably the easiest is to add one of the German keyboard mappings to your system, in windows xp pro resource kit..


http://www.microsoft.com/germany/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c03621675.mspx


or just use the HTML special character codes (http://www.chami.com/tips/Internet/050798I.html)

ok, before I get killed....

a couple of ways, one - and probably the easiest is to add one of the German keyboard mappings to your system, in windows xp pro resource kit..


http://www.microsoft.com/germany/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c03621675.mspx


or just use the HTML special character codes (http://www.chami.com/tips/Internet/050798I.html)

Don't give in. Drive him crazy...keep teasing.

Not that I really want to start the mad typing again but am I wrong in that Bob never said anything about rescues? Just shelters. :-? Perhaps everyones anger is misplaced. :???:

Bob, I think you're just a little too bitter over this. Is there another shelter you can try before you resort to a breeder?

And I think the rest of us are taking this just too personally.

*ducking and covering*

Our shelter is a not for profit, funded partially by the city. No elected staff at all. Paid staff and volunteers. It's wierd. Since Lincoln has a living wage law (the shelter staff dosen't make the minimum) they have lost the city portion of thier funding. As a result they don't take in animals from within the city limits. The wife and I regularly donate to them (can't volunteer, will get a house full of dogs).


Yup, I am bitter - admitted. There are two shelters near me, no rescues. I can't go too far out, (I'm on the border with Penn), because I'll be denied because I'm not in the same state or county, universe, etc. and they can't come to invade and judge me and my humble domicile.

Two bad experiences and I'm spent. I'm gonna buy a puppy and start from scratch again.

Perhaps a nice Rotty to eat shelter workers.

Sorry.....

I stole a baby too.

I want my baby back, baby back, baby back...Ribs

Awww, what a cute baby. Look at those checks.

Whose baby?

Awww, what a cute baby. Look at those checks.

Whose baby?

My wife's.

You should see the checks we wrote.:-P

My wife's.

You should see the checks we wrote.:-P


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yup, I am bitter - admitted. There are two shelters near me, no rescues. I can't go too far out, (I'm on the border with Penn), because I'll be denied because I'm not in the same state or county, universe, etc. and they can't come to invade and judge me and my humble domicile.

Two bad experiences and I'm spent. I'm gonna buy a puppy and start from scratch again.

Perhaps a nice Rotty to eat shelter workers.

Sorry.....

Bob,

I'd be VERY willing to work with you in helping you find a very adoptable Rsecue and I'd drive to YOU in order to do the home visit and meet with you. If you'd consider a Rescue.

While my current group is focused on Pits, We can pull any dog in need, vet it, socialize it, and place it in the right home.

Would you be willing to work with us?

~Kerri

Bob,

I'd be VERY willing to work with you in helping you find a very adoptable Rsecue and I'd drive to YOU in order to do the home visit and meet with you. If you'd consider a Rescue.

While my current group is focused on Pits, We can pull any dog in need, vet it, socialize it, and place it in the right home.

Would you be willing to work with us?

~Kerri


Bob......RUN!

Bob......RUN!

Oh boy there RD, you're gonna pay for that one! :cool:













**this should be fun, ATLAS said he needed a new chew toy.**

Ha! Schwein-Hunde rechnete ich es aus. Ich kaufte gerade ein Mysterium-Gerät (Enigma Device?)! Ich kann halten, mir im Kopf zu schlagen.

Bob,

I'd be VERY willing to work with you in helping you find a very adoptable Rsecue and I'd drive to YOU in order to do the home visit and meet with you. If you'd consider a Rescue.

While my current group is focused on Pits, We can pull any dog in need, vet it, socialize it, and place it in the right home.

Would you be willing to work with us?

~Kerri

Kerri, I truly appreciate the offer, especially when your willing to drive to NJ from Virginia. That's a loong ride, even in an E. But, when you say "place it in the right home", I get gun shy now, (hope I'm not jumping to too many conclusions or gisele will carpet-bomb the crap out of me again), but that implies another inspection.

I'll put it in dog terms. I scumbag owner beats a dog. Thereafter, the dog is hand-shy and maybe very aggressive. That's me. Remember the saying "Once bitten, twice shy"?

Here is a link to a "vendor" near me. I call him a vendor because he is not a breeder, definately not a puppy mill. I've heard nothing but good things about them from a friend who lives down the road from them, (and she's a seven-dog owner), and they've been in business a looong time; family-owned for generations. I'm gonna check them out.

http://www.jacksdogfarm.org/

Kerri, I truly appreciate the offer, especially when your willing to drive to NJ from Virginia. That's a loong ride, even in an E. But, when you say "place it in the right home", I get gun shy now, (hope I'm not jumping to too many conclusions or gisele will carpet-bomb the crap out of me again), but that implies another inspection.

I'll put it in dog terms. I scumbag owner beats a dog. Thereafter, the dog is hand-shy and maybe very aggressive. That's me. Remember the saying "Once bitten, twice shy"?

Here is a link to a "vendor" near me. I call him a vendor because he is not a breeder, definately not a puppy mill. I've heard nothing but good things about them from a friend who lives down the road from them, (and she's a seven-dog owner), and they've been in business a looong time; family-owned for generations. I'm gonna check them out.

http://www.jacksdogfarm.org/

Bob,

I completely understand being gun shy, but while the group you've dealt with REQUIRES fencing, we don't. And while we are a stickler for the over all home environment, we aren't a55holes about it either.

As for the VENDOR you mentioned. You hit the nail on the head! And he IS a PUPPYMILLer, he's the defination of PUPPYMILLer. Any breeder, breeding more than 1 Breed, can't possibly focus on all the health issues within all those breeds, nor the overall emotional happiness of those animals.

And another sad part, is that portion of PA is very well known as Puppymill heaven. Not just with independants like this guy, but also with the Amish.

If you wish to purchase from a breeder, I won't fault you, and WILL offer to help you locate a Reputable and Ethcial breeder. One who breeds only ONE breed at a time and therefore can focus on that breed's overall health issues, specifically genetic health issues, and emotional health as well.

I like vanilla ice cream and greyhounds, sometimes together.

Bob,

I completely understand being gun shy, but while the group you've dealt with REQUIRES fencing, we don't. And while we are a stickler for the over all home environment, we aren't a55holes about it either.

As for the VENDOR you mentioned. You hit the nail on the head! And he IS a PUPPYMILLer, he's the defination of PUPPYMILLer. Any breeder, breeding more than 1 Breed, can't possibly focus on all the health issues within all those breeds, nor the overall emotional happiness of those animals.

And another sad part, is that portion of PA is very well known as Puppymill heaven. Not just with independants like this guy, but also with the Amish.

If you wish to purchase from a breeder, I won't fault you, and WILL offer to help you locate a Reputable and Ethcial breeder. One who breeds only ONE breed at a time and therefore can focus on that breed's overall health issues, specifically genetic health issues, and emotional health as well.

Really? And the Amish?! Dammit. I never would have guessed as this place is the only one in that part of Bucks county that I knew of.

Yup. Would be good if you could recommend a breeder in my area for Labs. My Cosmo was my first Lab and such a painless joy to raise and train, I would like another one. A female pup this time.

This was my buddy at 18 lbs. He's a little over 100 now.

Yup. Would be good if you could recommend a breeder in my area for Labs.

Not being all that familiar with Lab breeders myself, I would check with these guys...

Labrador Retriever Club, Inc
http://www.thelabradorclub.com/

Good luck with your search, I hope you find the 'one' your looking for.

Not being all that familiar with Lab breeders myself, I would check with these guys...

Labrador Retriever Club, Inc
http://www.thelabradorclub.com/

Good luck with your search, I hope you find the 'one' your looking for.




Bob, I concur with Benny(bh241)! Start there and learn what to look for in a Reputable and Ethical breeder.

Another good place to check is Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com), do a search for Labrador Retriever and start chatting with those in the know. ;-)

And I stand corrected here Bob. The Amish are centrally located in Lancaster Co., but I wouldn't put it past a few to be found in Bucks. Just keep an eye out. :rolleyes: