Many performance chips are being sold that suposedly match the Element on ebay: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?Query=honda+element+chip

does anyone have any experience with these? any comments would be appretiated.

A true performance chip will run you $150 - $200 and will have a manufacturers name on them. These are cheezy diodes that will bypass important programs in your computer to allow you to advance the timing and such. They will also void your warranty and kill your motor.

It's junk. There's also nothing custom to the Element about it.

This trick has been around ever since they started putting computer-controlled engines in cars. It's nothing more than a resistor that you splice into the incoming air temperature sensor to make the computer think that it's cold, therefore increasing the amount of fuel metered to the engine. It essentially runs your engine "rich" all the time. It'll juice some cars a little bit, but does nothing for most cars and can potentially put your fuel economy into the dumper.

FWIW, I am very, very, very wary of "performance enhancements" that show-up on eBay and nowhere else. The hype alone has that "snake oil" feel to it, doesn't it?

Hey, Dan - even the "legit" performance chips run the risk of voiding the warranty. I know that Ford was making a big stink early last year when they were on a cost-cutting campaign - vehicles with a major engine warranty claim got a little visit from a "warranty auditor". If the engine was chipped - or there was even any evidence that it may have been chipped (worn screwheads, etc.), the claim was rejected.

Obviously we don't know if Honda has the same problem, but I wouldn't chip an engine unless the company had been around for a while and had the legal staff to back me up if it came to mano a mano with Honda.

:roll:

Mike, you're probably absolutely correct. The only vehicle I ever "chipped" was a '84 Camaro, but then it had a 383 stroker and was about 10 years past warranty anyway. But damn, that car went like a raped ape.

That entire concept is twisted. Adding a chip does not increase timing. A person has to manually change their timing with hand tools. All this chip does is change your fuel delivery. It probably makes your engine run rich as hell. It's a great upgrade if you want crappy gas mileage, and burnt piston rings.

A chip on a naturally aspirated engine is going to do little or NOTHING. Period.

Save your money.

[quote:e4a22f0cac="hedgeborn"]A chip on a naturally aspirated engine is going to do little or NOTHING. Period.

Save your money.[/quote:e4a22f0cac]

Actually, this is not a true statement. A properly programmed replacement chip will definitely make a noticeable difference in the way a n/a engine performs.

First hand experience for me is my '91 Chevy S-10, 4.3L V6. Put in the strip level chip, changed thermostat to 160. It had been my father's truck, and he noticed the difference right off the bat. After adding Flowmaster cat-back duals and a B&M shift kit, it was at peak.

A factory chip is programmed to think of economy & mileage first. The "strip" level chip I installed was progrmmed to think of "let's get frickin' going NOW" first. Throttle response was drastically improved. Large grades at highway speed no longer required downshifts to maintain speed.

And, much to my father's disbelief, mileage DID NOT go down. Admittedly, his driving in El Paso was strictly neighborhood streets, all stop and go. My driving in Dallas is mixed city/freeway driving, but still plenty of stop and go. The fairest comparison was open road driving between Dallas and El Paso. The S-10 managed 3-4 mpg better on the open road while "chipped" than it ever did stock.

Fly by night, unheard of companies? Wouldn't touch their stuff. Reputable, been there a long time companies? Their products work. Period.

[quote:35f53f2783="MatT3T4"]That entire concept is twisted. Adding a chip does not increase timing. A person has to manually change their timing with hand tools. All this chip does is change your fuel delivery. It probably makes your engine run rich as hell. It's a great upgrade if you want crappy gas mileage, and burnt piston rings.[/quote:35f53f2783]

I politely disagree. What hand tools are going to change the timing on a distributorless, multi-coil mill?

Let me expound on the above statement. In the old days, with my '77 Cutlass or '79 Olds 98, I would set the baseline timing. That baseline is then hardcoded, so to speak, unless something slips or breaks. But, while the engine performs, the timing varies all over the place due to the vacuum advance (for part throttle variation) and the mechanical advance (for higher rpm wot variation). So, at any given engine rpm, load and throttle application, the timing is varied to meet demand. I drastically altered the performace curves on these engines by going to Moroso and Crane for adjustable vacuum advance and performance weights and springs for the mechanical advance.

I submit that on the modern computer controlled vehicle, these same variations occur, but they are controlled by the computer vs. mechanical items. Installing a properly programmed chip is the modern way to change what was known as the vacuum (load) and mechanical (rpm) advance curves.

My experience with installing and using a properly programmed chip is far different than your claim. My claim is from direct personal experience, not a "probably."

bottom line there is no chip for a honda and there has never been one for any honda the only computer mod that works is done by actually removing the factory ecm and reprogramming it. there are a few companies that do it but my best experience has been with JET they send you a prepaid fedex box and instructions how to remove the ecm you then send your ecm to them they reprogram it and send it back,,, so you are with out your E for about two weeks! all for an increase of 10 to 25 hp wow! I know becuase a manage a 4x4 accessory shop and sell all types of performance chips from hypertech to diablos to superchip and jet and when I got my E I contacted all the manufactures to find out who had what!

[quote:55d931d17e="medic4lee"]all for an increase of 10 to 25 hp wow! [/quote:55d931d17e]

10-25hp on a 160hp engine is DAMN significant. Jesus Christ and General Jackson, what do you guys expect out of a little overburdened 4-banger? :roll:

Show me proof of a chip alone that produces 25 extra horsepower in a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder.

10 horsepower, not across the board, but only at the peak RPM, I can belieive, but even then, don't expect the results to be cumulative. In other words, you aren't going to put on that chip, add a CAI that advertises 10-15 hp, an exhaust that advertises 10 hp and have a 195 hp Element. Sorry.

The truth is that there are not that many variables you can adjust to get more power from a modern engine like this. They are already pretty much optimized. We are not talking about 1960's big block mills here. You can't apply the same rules. Completely different ball of wax.

I would not call the K24 in the Element overburdened though. Honda gets 200 hp from this engine with VTEC trickery, higher compression and a different head in the TSX. Those are real modifications though. :wink:

Go buy some engine parts from a wrecked TSX and work them onto your K24, then you will get some gains worthy of respect.

Then bolt on a turbo. :twisted:

If you are thinking of buying a chip or a CAI for your Element, just get some Type R stickers instead, turn off your overdrive on your automatic transmission and drive around making "VRROOOM VROOM" noises with your head out the window.

You'll get more performance that way and save $200.

[quote:1b32f2c4fe="hedgeborn"]If you are thinking of buying a chip or a CAI for your Element, just get some Type R stickers instead, turn off your overdrive on your automatic transmission and drive around making "VRROOOM VROOM" noises with your head out the window.

You'll get more performance that way and save $200.[/quote:1b32f2c4fe]

Damn, you oughta be on the stage at the Comedy Club! :roll:

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/smilies/lustig/6.gif

I agree! You just gotta make sure you can make those noises loud enough to be heard over the sound of the $2,500 aftermarket stereo system! :wink:

I politely disagree. What hand tools are going to change the timing on a distributorless, multi-coil mill?

Let me expound on the above statement. In the old days, with my '77 Cutlass or '79 Olds 98, I would set the baseline timing. That baseline is then hardcoded, so to speak, unless something slips or breaks. But, while the engine performs, the timing varies all over the place due to the vacuum advance (for part throttle variation) and the mechanical advance (for higher rpm wot variation). So, at any given engine rpm, load and throttle application, the timing is varied to meet demand. I drastically altered the performace curves on these engines by going to Moroso and Crane for adjustable vacuum advance and performance weights and springs for the mechanical advance.

I submit that on the modern computer controlled vehicle, these same variations occur, but they are controlled by the computer vs. mechanical items. Installing a properly programmed chip is the modern way to change what was known as the vacuum (load) and mechanical (rpm) advance curves.

My experience with installing and using a properly programmed chip is far different than your claim. My claim is from direct personal experience, not a "probably."

You kinda lost me here. Distributorless? I've been tuning B-series Honda engines for years, and we always use the distributor to change the timing, especially on forced induction motors. I really haven't jumped into a K-series yet, but distributorless? Please explain, because I'm really confused. You have to remember, too, that on a Honda engine, the gains seen from a chip, especiall on a stock engine, will be FAR less than you would see on an NA 4.3L V6.

You kinda lost me here. Distributorless? I've been tuning B-series Honda engines for years, and we always use the distributor to change the timing, especially on forced induction motors. I really haven't jumped into a K-series yet, but distributorless? Please explain, because I'm really confused. You have to remember, too, that on a Honda engine, the gains seen from a chip, especiall on a stock engine, will be FAR less than you would see on an NA 4.3L V6.

The Element, just like my 2002 Si, does not have a distributor, and each plug has an individual coil. This type of set up has been around a long time - my 1988 Olds Cierra with the 3800 multi-port FI V-6 did not have a distributor either, just multiple coil packs controlled by the computer.

The point I'm trying to get across to everyone is that GAINS are GAINS. Yes, a bigger motor might see more gains if you just look at HP numbers. Figure those gains as a percentage, and I really don't think you will find too much of a gap. Whether it's built by Honda, or by BMW or by GM, they are all internal combustion engines that share immutable characteristics.

1). They intake air. Make the intake of said air more efficient in any way, and the engine expends less power trying to breathe in.
2). They exhaust "spent" air. Remove some of the restrictions put in place by the manufacturer's desire to keep the vehicle as quiet as possible, and the engine is expending less power to vent the exhaust gasses.
3). Add 1 & 2 together, and there is a cumulative effect.

This was true for my old '79 Olds 98 Regency that had a 403 V8, it was true for the S-10 with the 4.3 V6, it was true for the '99 Si with the itsy-bitsy 1.6 I4, it was true for the '02 Si with a 2.0 I4, and it's true for the Element with the 2.4 I4. And, it was true on all of the other vehicles that preceeded the ones listed above. Parts is parts.

My logic does not expect mild mods to suddenly produce 100+ HP out of a 4-banger. My logic does expect that there will be a generally comparable percentage increase of drivable power, just like there has been on every car I've owned (they ALL get some engine mods).

no..i will not get those chips..
as it will void the factory..besides..
only a chip will not do any improvment
it only alter your computer program..
u've got to have some hardware to improve horsepower..
2.4 Liter 160HP DOHC VTEC .satisfies me already..
cause i have a more powerful machine :lol:

Has anyone out there tried this kind of Sensor ?
Here are the details :

This simple, yet effective modification will allow you to boost the power output of your vehicle's engine without sacrificing reliability or comfort. It consists of a small electronic device that will be inserted between one of your car's sensor and the ECU. This is also know as a "piggy back" device as it is external to the main processing unit (the ECU). You will feel the gain instantly with no expensive tuning necessary.

It is supposed to add between 13 and 22 hp. and it only costs $ 4.99
plus $ 4.00 ship. It is listed on Ebay under Element parts.

I wonder if this is safe to use since it has to be connected to the ECU.

Thanks for any comments

Discussed elsewhere on EOC, at length. Bottom line: it's a scam. :x

Thanks Mike. I thought it was kind of strange, I am mostly
more concerned with the damage that any of these guitsmos
can do.

You could probably expect higher gains from eating a bag of these "piggybacks".

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8302/ccspr5ik.jpg

Afterall, it does say right there on the bag,

"Feel the Power in the Seat of Your Pants!"

>"Feel the Power in the Seat of Your Pants!"

OK, now, everybody together... EEEEEEeeeeeeewwwwww!

:grin:

i have one of these on my element and as soon as i installed it i noticed a difference. not a huge one but still a difference. you know how different your car drives when it's cold outside as opposed to hot? well this tricks your computer into believeing that it's always cold outside. it just runs smoother all the time. i've had it on mine for about a year and have had no problems.

>...as soon as i installed it i noticed a difference.

How much of the difference is due to placebo effect ("sticker effect" for those familiar with the mod style known as "rice")? You expect an improvement, so, by God, you get one.

I'll beat this drum again: "butt dyno" means nothing. Numbers. I want numbers. 0-60 (or 1/4-mile) times without, then after installation, then after removal again, three separate measurements of each "state", on the same course, in the same direction, engine fully warmed, with ambient temperatures within 5°.

In OBD-II systems it takes a lot more than fudging the IAT sensor input to change the ignition timing or fuel rail mapping.

Numbers. I want numbers. 0-60 (or 1/4-mile) times without, then after installation, then after removal again, three separate measurements of each "state", on the same course, in the same direction, engine fully warmed, with ambient temperatures within 5°.

i drive a honda element. i'm sorry i don't have "numbers" or a "course", i live in a "neighborhood" and have a "job". it's just my experience with a $5.00 part on a honda element forum because someone asked about it. everything's going to be ok.

i have one of these on my element and as soon as i installed it i noticed a difference. not a huge one but still a difference. you know how different your car drives when it's cold outside as opposed to hot? well this tricks your computer into believeing that it's always cold outside. it just runs smoother all the time. i've had it on mine for about a year and have had no problems.


good i idea trick your car into thinking that it is colder out :roll: . then it will dump more fuel into the mix. ofcourse since the air charge is not dense enough to complete the burn you will be wasting unburned gas, which will shortening the life of you sparkplugs and o2 sensers along with helping to clog your catalytic converter.

so now your $5 part just cost you thousands in parts and labor repair.


-tom

True power gains from any computer modification requires changing more than just intake air temperature readings.

Take hondata for example.

Generations of Civic, Prelude, RSX, Integra, and other Honda owners have benefited from Hondata's YEARS of extensive research and tuning. The cheapest box for an RSX Type-S is $600 and it requires sending your ECU into Hondata for a reflash.

They change everything from fuel maps, to ignition timing, to cam angles, to VTEC engagement points, well you get the idea. Countless hours of r&d go into creating such a program.

They even have a do-it-yourself version called the K-Pro which allows the computer to be connected to a laptop via USB cable. With their software you can make countless changes yourself to get the most of whatever mod you have done...ie intake=more air, add more fuel. That ECU mod is $1000 to convert your exisiting ECU and $1500 if you want a spare. They include base maps so that you have a point to start from and encourage anyone using a base map to do a datalog (record everything happening with the car from start of recording till you hit stop) to check for knocks. Even presets aren't perfect.

You get what you pay for...and even the $600 ecu modification is only worth appx. 15-20 ponies dynoed when coupled with an intake. The beauty is, it was done by professionals with a dyno, not some kid in a garage who threw a resistor in line with the intake air temperature sensor.

Stay away from anything that seems too good to be true. Automobiles have become very high tech and it takes something high tech to make them better. There is a reason even intakes are abundant, they are not designed the same, even though they look the same, and the smallest change can increase or decrease horsepower significantly.

there are some angry people on here recently.

-some kid in a garage

I don't think we're angry, just opinionated. It stands to reason that any 5 dollar part claiming to increase horsepower by 10+ is too good to be true.

does anyone know where I can get a cold air intake chip/reprogramer been have a hard time finding any performance mods :confused:

haha its a honda element, theres a reason there aren't a lot of performance parts available

does anyone know where I can get a cold air intake chip/reprogramer been have a hard time finding any performance mods :confused:


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http://cgi.ebay.ca/03-04-05-06-MPG-HONDA-ELEMENT-SUPER-FUEL-SAVER-GIFT_W0QQitemZ330034284272QQihZ014QQcategoryZ42604 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


"Specifically Engineered Only for Your:

03-06 Honda Element"

"Each Super Fuel Saver Plus unit was manufactured with its own unique Gaussian value that maintains the most optimized force needed for that particular make/model/engine setup.


The new device underwent rigorous testing & experiments to determine the vast level of forces a particular unit required in order to offer the best results.

This new line of Super Fuel Saver Plus's were designed by the skilled team of technicians at A1 Racing Technologies."



It must be the tie strap that gives this thing its magic powers.....

>... Gaussian value ...

:lol: :rolleyes:

I know what that means... they add or subtract the number of magnets depending on what "model" of this miracle gizmo they have "determined" is right for your make/model. "Gaussian value" my @$$.

No, there are no tie-bars here - not even a pocket protector - because there were no engineers involved in this product. A hairy-chested gold-chain-draped sleazeball, maybe.

Looks like a couple of legos with a zip tie to hold them together. Shoot, I'll beat their price and sell anyone that wants one of those things for $4.99. And I'll throw in shipping for free.

Any takers?:D

I missed the rest of the crap at the bottom of the page....

**ALL BUYERS WILL RECEIVE 2 FREE GIFTS**


1.) A-1 Racing Tech Performance x/Chip Upgrade!



- Installs Easily In Under 15 Minutes!

- Easy to Understand Install Instructions are included!

- Proven Horsepower Upgrades from +12-21HP




The Speed-Chip utilizes the same technology as the JET & performance E-PROM Chips. The Performance Enhancer wires inline with the IAT sensor's factory wiring harness. The chip then fools the sensor by sending an altered signal to your car's computer. Lastly the ECU receives the new signal and alters the air/fuel & timing advance curves for more optimized Levels. The chip will not affect engine reliability or fuel economy.




2.) The Custom Car Modification Tutorial on CD-ROM!

This car tuning and modification guide is filled with over 50 Do-It-Yourself head turning modifications that will keep you busy for months. Simply use your computer's CD drive to access the Step by Step illustrated guides included on the CD. The best part is that most of these modifications are cheap.





It just keeps getting better.......

Hey, they made it just for our car. Shouldn't we support them?

I see these things for use on wires all the time. There are magnets inside those plastic pieces. I've thrown many of them away. If I'd only known... :rolleyes:

Nothing suprises me on Ebay anymore......not since i heard about the guy selling an i-pod box for a hundred or so bucks....the buyer protested but the seller didnt have a misleading ad.....he was advertising a box for an i-pod.

http://www.mboxcommunity.com/images/uglylol.gif

Good Grief.. Some fool and his money will be parted. Hard to believe!

Now why would anyone want "clinging molecules" in the gas tank? Misaligned flow of gasoline moluecules are one reason some users are getting below 24 (average) MPG.

"While fuel resides in your vehicles gas tank, random changes in the temperature and humidity occur causing it to expand and contract. Because of these changes over time the hydrocarbon's in the fuel begin clinging to each other forming clusters.

Attaching the Super Fuel Saver to the Fuel Line, forces the charged particles into alignment thus causing the Hydrocarbon's to break apart.

The molecules will no longer be in clusters. The aligned flow allows the fuel to become exposed to more oxygen, thus causing a more efficient and affective detonation during the combustion in the cylinder."


Regards,

:shock: :-D :rolleyes:

...these questions, just sent to Mr. Snake Oil Boy via eBay:

1. I did a Google search for A1 Racing Technologies and A-1 Racing Technologies as your page has both spellings, I could not find them. Can you send me a link to their web site so I can understand their development of this product better?
2. I also did a search for Gaussian value and didn't come up with anything that is related to automobiles. Could you direct me to some third party sites (not related to any product) that would explain this mechanism so I could better understand it?
3. Could you send me independent rigorous testing & experiments that substantiate your claims for this product?

Looking forward to receiving the information I have requested as due diligence is needed in any purchase I make.

I will post their responses, I'm sure I'll have all of the information I requested within an hour.:D

Hey guys, I was looking at this today and I wasn't sure if it was the real deal.
It's supposed to add 60+ horsepower and 20+ miles per gallon. I was wondering if any of you guys have this on your E and if it really works without any adverse affects to the car.

It's bogus! From what I understand it isn't a chip at all. It's just a resistor that you place in line with an O2 sensor (I think) and it causes a false reading in the computer that is supposed to let more air into the engine which in turn gives you more HP and better mileage. the problem is that the computer senses something is wrong and it tries to compensate and does all kinds of weird things and you can either harm the engine or the advantage it gives you is negated by the computer doing its thing. Basically if it sounds too good to be true it is. There simply is no way to achieve the benefits it promises without doing some real mods to the engine properly.

I actually installed one of these things a few months ago and I've been tracking about a 25% increase in MPG and a trip to my buddy's dyno actually showed about 43bhp more at the wheels. I'm surprised more people don't use these chips, they are hands down the best way to unlock the hidden performance in any car.

Installation couldn't be easier too. I've installed turbos and superchargers before and they can take a week or more to get installed and dialed in. This literally took me 15 minutes and my hands didn't even get dirty.

If you've read this far and aren't laughing or shaking your head in disbelief, please quickly run out to your E, grab your title on the way, and drive to the nearest used car lot. When you get there, hand over the keys and title and just walk away. You don't deserve to own or drive an E if you're going to even entertain the idea of putting one of these flaming hunks of crap on your car.

This was posted in another thread. I cant find the thread, but found the link I was looking for.

This will give you all the information you need.

http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine...pg3.html#20bhp

Dom

I actually installed one of these things...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I started reading this and said to myself
"What??? is he on drugs or something"

If you've read this far and aren't laughing or shaking your head in disbelief, please quickly run out to your E, grab your title on the way, and drive to the nearest used car lot. When you get there, hand over the keys and title and just walk away. You don't deserve to own or drive an E if you're going to even entertain the idea of putting one of these flaming hunks of crap on your car.

You should have seen how far my jaw dropped! It's too early to be that effing funny.:evil:

You should have seen how far my jaw dropped! It's too early to be that effing funny.:evil:

Yeah you had me going.... Dang i was sold. That made me smile though.

I actually installed one of these things a few months ago and I've been tracking about a 25% increase in MPG and a trip to my buddy's dyno actually showed about 43bhp more at the wheels. I'm surprised more people don't use these chips, they are hands down the best way to unlock the hidden performance in any car.

Installation couldn't be easier too. I've installed turbos and superchargers before and they can take a week or more to get installed and dialed in. This literally took me 15 minutes and my hands didn't even get dirty.

If you've read this far and aren't laughing or shaking your head in disbelief, please quickly run out to your E, grab your title on the way, and drive to the nearest used car lot. When you get there, hand over the keys and title and just walk away. You don't deserve to own or drive an E if you're going to even entertain the idea of putting one of these flaming hunks of crap on your car.


After a 2 hour drive in the snow to work i needed this one......freakin hilarious.

Yep, had me goin' for a sec there..... :rolleyes::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dang, and I was going to get one tu-day!! :sad::-P:-P

Dude why are you guys knocking him before getting proof? I have one of those installed too and I love it! I hadn't said anything before since I'm still testing it and gonna have it dyno'ed this weekend but so far it's beyond my wildest expectations!

I installed this chip along with a Turbonator turbo intake fan a few weeks ago and I've totally been blow away. I've been getting roughly 43.4 mpg and my HP has gone up to around 240. It's totally legit! I installed the chip first and did some driving around. It probably boosted 30 hp or so right there, but combined with the Turbonator my performance went through the roof!! Just the other day I smoked a guy at a light who was driving a Ferrari! It was insane!! He stopped me after and wanted to know how many thousand I'd spend on my mods and couldn't believe his eyes when he saw how simple it was! He's getting the chip for his 360 Modena this weekend and we're gonna race!

When I pull out from a light now, I can hear the Turbonator spooling up just like a real turbo! It howls like a banshee spinning up at its max 55,000 rpm and the insane boost I'm getting from it is like a rocket strapped to your pants! I don't really know how it works and I don't care, all I see is the results! Next week I'm gonna be getting a custom exhaust put on complete with an O Pipe (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2), Engine oil bypass kit (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8), and Cross-Drilled Brake Lines (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1). And the real kicker: a HUGE muffler with a 6" chrome tip! My performance is gonna be legendary!!

I can't say enough good about these two products! All of you haters :mad: should pull your head out of your behinds and try some REAL affordable performance mods!

I guess I'd better call Visa and stop payment on mine...:D

I too installed the chip. Right under the skin on my left arm. Immediately I notice increased energy, improved dental health, and my co-workers stopped ignoring me.

"Hey Rocket Dog...what's that lump on your left arm all about?"

I too installed the chip. Right under the skin on my left arm.

I figured that they would have done that at the veteranarian's office when you were much much much younger.;-)

OMFG I just saw your new avatar! :lol::lol::lol:

You're a sick, sick man Twilight.:twisted:
Your comment has caused numerous coworkers to question my sanity, what with all the chuckling, snorting and chortling. I've been asked three times if I was feeling ill or suffering a mind heart attack :-D
I point out the cause of my "disorder" and half the people don't get it, the other half walk away with similar symptoms to me... You've caused viral humor.

You're a sick, sick man Twilight.:twisted:
Your comment has caused numerous coworkers to question my sanity, what with all the chuckling, snorting and chortling. I've been asked three times if I was feeling ill or suffering a mind heart attack :-D
I point out the cause of my "disorder" and half the people don't get it, the other half walk away with similar symptoms to me... You've caused viral humor.

Be sure to click the links at the end too, the car site they take you to is priceless :D

Dude why are you guys knocking him before getting proof? I have one of those installed too and I love it! I hadn't said anything before since I'm still testing it and gonna have it dyno'ed this weekend but so far it's beyond my wildest expectations!

I installed this chip along with a Turbonator turbo intake fan a few weeks ago and I've totally been blow away. I've been getting roughly 43.4 mpg and my HP has gone up to around 240. It's totally legit! I installed the chip first and did some driving around. It probably boosted 30 hp or so right there, but combined with the Turbonator my performance went through the roof!! Just the other day I smoked a guy at a light who was driving a Ferrari! It was insane!! He stopped me after and wanted to know how many thousand I'd spend on my mods and couldn't believe his eyes when he saw how simple it was! He's getting the chip for his 360 Modena this weekend and we're gonna race!

When I pull out from a light now, I can hear the Turbonator spooling up just like a real turbo! It howls like a banshee spinning up at its max 55,000 rpm and the insane boost I'm getting from it is like a rocket strapped to your pants! I don't really know how it works and I don't care, all I see is the results! Next week I'm gonna be getting a custom exhaust put on complete with an O Pipe (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2), Engine oil bypass kit (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8), and Cross-Drilled Brake Lines (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1). And the real kicker: a HUGE muffler with a 6" chrome tip! My performance is gonna be legendary!!

I can't say enough good about these two products! All of you haters :mad: should pull your head out of your behinds and try some REAL affordable performance mods!

Engine oil bypass kit....:lol::lol::lol:

I too installed the chip. Right under the skin on my left arm. Immediately I notice increased energy, improved dental health, and my co-workers stopped ignoring me.

"Hey Rocket Dog...what's that lump on your left arm all about?"

RD, you gotta stop changing your avatar. I can't pick your posts out at first glance anymore and we all know your posts are the only ones worth reading ;-)

<respectfully snipped>

When I pull out from a light now, I can hear the Turbonator spooling up just like a real turbo! It howls like a banshee spinning up at its max 55,000 rpm and the insane boost I'm getting from it is like a rocket strapped to your pants! I don't really know how it works and I don't care, all I see is the results! Next week I'm gonna be getting a custom exhaust put on complete with an O Pipe (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2), Engine oil bypass kit (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8), and Cross-Drilled Brake Lines (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1). And the real kicker: a HUGE muffler with a 6" chrome tip! My performance is gonna be legendary!!................................It sounds like the Tailgater-B-Gone (tm), which I've been slaving away at developing and perfecting, is now obsolete. :cry:

When I pull out from a light now, I can hear the Turbonator spooling up just like a real turbo! It howls like a banshee spinning up at its max 55,000 rpm and the insane boost I'm getting from it is like a rocket strapped to your pants! I don't really know how it works and I don't care, all I see is the results! Next week I'm gonna be getting a custom exhaust put on complete with an O Pipe (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2), Engine oil bypass kit (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8), and Cross-Drilled Brake Lines (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1). And the real kicker: a HUGE muffler with a 6" chrome tip! My performance is gonna be legendary!!


I got you beat big time. You don't need any of that crap. I put one of these in and it added massive power. I actually tore the dyno apart and sent the rollers flying due to the extreme power my E is making. If you want massive power get one of these. Flux Capacitor (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=28)

I got you beat big time. You don't need any of that crap. I put one of these in and it added massive power. I actually tore the dyno apart and sent the rollers flying due to the extreme power my E is making. If you want massive power get one of these. Flux Capacitor (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=28)

That's too bad man! You should've used the Butt Dyno (http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=41) that those guys also offer! No more flying rollers! :razz:

OK Twi, you're now just about as pathetic as your avatar (in all her glorious vinyl)....... :shock::shock::shock::razz::razz::lol::lol:

I seriously can't believe that they are really selling an oil bypass kit. Is that for real??

I seriously can't believe that they are really selling an oil bypass kit. Is that for real??



As real as the muffler bearing they sell on the same site.:rolleyes:

If you install five of the fuel line magnets also, not only do you get 60 plus horsepower youll get 75 mpg in town and 120 on the highway:cool::cool:

As real as the muffler bearing they sell on the same site.:rolleyes:

Has anybody tried the frictionless muffler mod? Pics?

Yeah I bought one of these when I owned my Focus and went on a Ebay spree. Have fun with the xeroxed direction sheet that you can barely read and the tiny resistor that you can buy at radio shack for "a shiny nickel" yeah it's a huge rip off! Not to mention all the bad things it does to the innerds.

Haha just noticed this was a wicked old topic! damn search got me! sorry for bringing it back up.

Don't be sorry, ElementDAB. It's an evergreen.

haha its a honda element, theres a reason there aren't a lot of performance parts available

Excuse my ignorance but doesn't it help it is the same engine as the rsx? <---so I recall. <-----I am still new to this.

Excuse my ignorance but doesn't it help it is the same engine as the rsx? <---so I recall. <-----I am still new to this.

Actually the RSX has the K20 motor.
Our engine is closer to the TSX which has the K24.
The Element also has the K24, but it has a different head, and
a way different VTEC system.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, its rare, but it does happen!! :D

Actually the RSX has the K20 motor.
Our engine is closer to the TSX which has the K24.
The Element also has the K24, but it has a different head, and
a way different VTEC system.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, its rare, but it does happen!! :D

Wow, I'm offaroooooo.

Wow, I'm offaroooooo.

Is that a good thing or bad thing??????? :confused: :confused:

Is that a good thing or bad thing??????? :confused: :confused:

I was just expressing how wrong I was.

snake oil. you'g have better luch with a paper clip. NO it DOSN'T trick you car into thinking it's getting cooler air. all it is is a resistor. anyone dumb enough to fall for this one is....well....dumb.
it's a i-vtec engine made by HONDA. you think a $4.00 piece of wire from eBay is going to help your car??? give me a break.

>...as soon as i installed it i noticed a difference.

How much of the difference is due to placebo effect ("sticker effect" for those familiar with the mod style known as "rice")? You expect an improvement, so, by God, you get one.

I'll beat this drum again: "butt dyno" means nothing. Numbers. I want numbers. 0-60 (or 1/4-mile) times without, then after installation, then after removal again, three separate measurements of each "state", on the same course, in the same direction, engine fully warmed, with ambient temperatures within 5°.

In OBD-II systems it takes a lot more than fudging the IAT sensor input to change the ignition timing or fuel rail mapping.

A mechanic friend of mine told me after discussing mods to gain performance from a smaller motor , " Buy something with a bigger motor "
4s are not 6s and 6s are not 8s ... displacement and fuel make power reliably , add stresses to the motor like blowers and turbos and the maintenance costs go up , There is a reason why Honda makes a great F1 / indy motor , technology , lightweight , and it needs rebuilding after every race... the S2000 offers blistering performance , cornering that will remove your dates top , and reasonable fuel economy , next the NSX hits all the right notes ... the Element is a great everyday driver , reliable as all get out , it is a honda after all. ;-)

Has anyone ever installed the Ultimate Performance Chip in their "E"? If so, did it really help your MPG's? I'm not really worried about HP's or TQ's but it would be nice if it inproved my MPG's even a little bit. The web site info is on the EOC page? :confused:

Did you see the unltimate performance resistor, I mean, Chip, on E-bay?

I said it before....I will say it again.


Those chips are nothing but snake oil.

If snake oil had an LED light, then

chips would be it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Thesimpsonsgrampahomer.png/200px-Thesimpsonsgrampahomer.png

I've allways wanted to purchase one of those chips.
I see that when lift the Element on jacks with no wheels.
I really can push 5000K RPM's really easy.
So, I'm not going to purchase one of those Performance Chips.
Tanks for the heads up in advance.

Atleast once a month this question comes up and the same answers appear. If you wanna pay $30 for $.25 in parts, go ahead, then you can pay $.20 a gallon more for high test gas because of the hike in ignition timing. You will see no real gains, they are a joke.

I bought two of these!

I haven't had time to install them yet and they are sitting in my glove box and I have already seen 3-5MPG increase and my E seems alot faster.








































:lol:

Definitely snake oil! Stay away from those chips, save yourself some $. ;)

I bought two of these!

I haven't had time to install them yet and they are sitting in my glove box and I have already seen 3-5MPG increase and my E seems alot faster.



i have not had the same luck, when Isat my resistors with LED's in my glove box, they do not seem to be getting the 45mpg increase, not even 3. I have them to the left of my glove box placed on top of my sunglasses and 2 or 3 napkins. Do I need more napkins to complete the connection properly between the LED and resistor?

This is the only additive that I've used in "Darth Raider" for almost 5 years now and I average over 50 MPG in the city and almost 75 MPG on the highway. There is not a better product out there if you want increased gas mileage and triple the horse power in your Element. You just pour in a bottle with every fill up, this is really "GREAT SCHITT" and beats the hell out of any chip on the market!!!

Chief

http://i32.tinypic.com/v8iofq.jpg

Best post to date on this forum!

I would suggest the Ruffles. They have ridges. Mmmmm, ridges...

Apparently you can chug the good schitt and it will cure your deafness and nausea. You're hearing may be a little impaired while you haul a$$ at mach 3 after installing that performance chip.

Thanks everyone for your comments. Much appreciated. If it sounds to good to be true, then I guess it is. I guess I will just try to mindful of my lead foot.

Ridgelines have ridges too!

I would suggest the Ruffles. They have ridges. Mmmmm, ridges...

Do I need more napkins to complete the connection
properly between the LED and resistor?
Damnit Serj22, the number and alignment of napkins is covered on page 54 of the the owner's manual! It's right after the section on muffler grease.

yeah some jag at HIN Nightshift in Chicago tried selling me on one of these in my civic si. I was at the valvoline dyno booth and he installed it on my car, essentially just a paper clip that goes in the iac valve. We dynoed my car and made two runs with the "chip" and two without. the result, almost 7 hp and 12 lb ft of torque less, and horrible air/fuel ratio with the paper clip. total waste of money, and then the guy was like, oh well it must not like your mods you have done to the engine, so we tried it in my wifes integra. same results. The bullcrap chip, able to inject bullcrap into anyone willing to take it.

Damnit Serj22, the number and alignment of napkins is covered on page 54 of the the owner's manual! It's right after the section on muffler grease.

OH MY! I completely missed that section! Maybe that's why my muffler bearings keep squeaking? Should I use elbow grease? Also, I don't know if we've covered this here yet, but where is the reservoir for the headlight fluid located? I figured right next to the headlights, but the only one I see there is for the blinker fluid. Is it the same fluid?

Has anyone purchase the SLR Performance Chip? If so, How did you like it? I am thinking about buying one.

If you search on this forum you will find several threads that all say the same thing!

Other forums have also come to the same conclusion, Read about it Here (http://www.clubxb.com/forums/f67/slr-performance-chip-22365.html).

Or this one (http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/bolt-ons-all-motor/126519-anybody-heard-slr-motorsports-performance-chip.html)!

Dom

Ahahahahaha, these pictures kill me.

SLR chip revealed today. I just couldn't return it without seeing what was inside this "35whp" claim. That is the answer I got from a customer inquiry response. Also, I asked to see a picture of one on a Z. My answer was not at this time. More,and more circles around the truth..
Well here it is fellas....
It doesn't look like much inside of this "Black box"to get any HP!
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss144/jan3361/stuff/chip1.jpg
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss144/jan3361/stuff/chip2.jpg
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss144/jan3361/stuff/chip3.jpg



How the hell are these guys still in business? Somebody needs to report them and shut them down.

Has anyone purchase the SLR Performance Chip? If so, How did you like it? I am thinking about buying one.

Don't listen to Dom or any of these other naysayers, because if you install the SLR Performance Chip and pour in the Secret Performance Additive with every fill up then soon, you'll be seeing amazing results! Right now I'm averaging 75 MPG and over 500 HP, it's FRICKIN' INCREDIBLE!!!! I get better gas mileage than a Prius and I blow the doors off of Corvettes from light to light. With the SLR Chip and the Secret Additive you will be the envy of every Element in your entire state. So break out that check book and order YOURS TODAY!!! "GOOD LUCK!!!"

Chief

Here's the SECRET ADDITIVE, and I'm sure you can find it on line... and be sure not to tell anyone else on this forum because they will only be jealous and we don't need any haters here!!!

http://i32.tinypic.com/v8iofq.jpg

^^^ Ha Ha!!! There is the proof, a cheap $.35 resistor, thats pennies per hp, such crap, average cost is $46 per hp in the aftermarket buisiness. At $.03 per hp, why doesnt everyone put 20 on their car and get 1000 mpg's and 1000 hp. These are redonculous.










Disclaimer: The numbers in the above post were provided by an independent magazine article, these are not my figures or views. Please refrain from contacting my superior(wife) and filing a complaint. Any further issues with this post to this thread will be sent to the Y.A.R. Department.

IT looked like multiple resistors hooked up to a single plastic board. He didn't get as ripped off as the people who only got one resistor. That sticker wasn't even centered on the "chip" how horrible.

It's an IC chip. Still does nothing, of course.

I'm going to go buy one of those Radio-shack project boxes, the ones you're supposed to make a flashlight out of, and plug a resistor into it and try to sell it to my friends...

The FLux capacitor is "ok". If you combine it with the oil bypass and radiator insulator mod, you definatley will need the butt dyno! The performance of these mods greatly out weighs the costs. Gots to go, meeting my granddad for lunch at 1952.

:razz:

Geez, if you guys won't take the word of a "Prominent Butcher from Cottage
Grove, Oregon", you must be some real callous SOBs!

I also liked the "cross-drilled brake lines" that someone was bragging about on one of their mods, but nothing improves performance like a high-compression cigarette lighter and a cadmium coated oil dipstick. If you don't have these on your E, you are really missing the boat.:-)

Been skimming through this forum and can see how some people don't really know their engines. Whomever thinks there is a mechanical distributor on the Honda E really needs to take a class on automotive engines. There is not cute little round thingy which runs off the crank shaft, turning a rotor and utilizing points, sending a spark from the main coil to each spark plug as is spins and makes contact to the lead of each spark plug wire coming off the cap, which looks like a really cool rubber octopus or in the case of a four cylinder engine, a fourtomus..., in which you can loosen that one magical screw, turn it just a little, in other words, advancing the timing a few degrees while watching the neat arrow stamped on the crankshaft pully pointing to the degree scale somehow affixed to the block and using a really cool flashing timing light to see this show while the engine is running. Nope, not on the E or any modern Honda and I doubt any modern car anymore since computers now play all that fun stuff for you. My E, which is no different than any other E, has an individual coil per cylinder, located directly above the spark plug, making it a more of a pain in the ass to change the plugs themselves. And these coils are told to fire by the computer which now controls the timing based on the mechanical load and the vacuum load of the engine for every given engine speed, also known as RPM.

I really wish it was that simple to do on my E as it was on my 1985 Ford Tempo. Then I would have an excuse to keep that neat light and flash away. But with my E, I can't. The computer gets to have the fun for me. Oh well...

Did you wander into the wrong thread? :?:

I'm not really considering buying any of these, but I was wondering if the performance chips that are claiming 75 more HP and 15 more MPG are legit or not. They are cheap enough to turn my head when I saw them listed, but I'm wary of such claims (not to mention doing something harmful to my Element).

Just looking for some general info, or if anyone has tried this on any car. Thanks

(Sorry if there has already been a thread on this; I just bought my Element and am new to the forum)


(Threads Merged)

This has come up several times. I'll just run a search for Performance chips.
The search function on this site is a bit tricky at times. However, it does produce good results.

Try This (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4506&highlight=Preformance+chips) thread. Click on the red word.

Welcome to the Forum.


Dom

I'm sorry to say the only thing my PCD Performance Chip did was to decrease my gas mileage overall, no matter what setting it was at (optimal HP or optimal Gas saving). It was a complete waste of money and time: $80.00 and two trips to my mechanic (one trip to install, one trip to de-install and put back my '04 Element to it's original state.

Thanks for the report!

There are several threads that have been combined into one big one, that all say about the same thing.


Maybe we need to let this one stand alone. People seem unwilling to sort through 60 or 70 posts or in this (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4506&highlight=Preformance+chips) case 109 posts to glean the necessary information from it.


Dom

Thanks for the report!

There are several threads that have been combined into one big one, that all say about the same thing.


Maybe we need to let this one stand alone. People seem unwilling to sort through 60 or 70 posts or in this (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4506&highlight=Preformance+chips) case 109 posts to glean the necessary information from it.


Dom

Amen...!!!! Someone lock THIS one quick and make it a sticky...!!!

LBD

http://www.performancechiptuning.com/Stage+1+Performance+Chip/8/

do u guys think this really works? if so im buying right now

http://www.performancechiptuning.com/Stage+1+Performance+Chip/8/

do u guys think this really works? if so im buying right now


If one of these miracle chips really worked all the car manfacturers would already be using them..........

I must say. some of these chips work. but as technology gets better and these chips stay the same the improvement gets less and less and in some cases like hondas for instance.

you cant really tune a stock honda better then honda itself. let me rephrase this.

take a hondata put it on any honda engine (stock) and in the rare case of the motor being over built and de tuned for market. you wont get much. and at the least you will kill economy for maybe alil better response or lower vtec activation


these chips worked better on say an 80s/90s camaro or really most 80s/90s american made cars/trucks that were not tuned to the hilt from the factory

or german cars that were de tuned for us market.


the only chips i buy contain dyno results for my exact car a baseline(stock) and a chipped(stock) not a stock baseline and the chipped test is after boltons(they dont list)

anyone can toss on a maf resistor headers,cat back,CAI nice tuneup and state the resistor made the difference

aside from HP gains the only thing chips or programmers are good for is this. removing top speed cutoff(element doesnt need) raising redline(again doesnt need) shift points (ide say again doesnt need 5spd auto is good)

oh and one last thing you see this. http://www.performancechiptuning.com/images/product/stage1chip.gif 399hp 410tq from a zz4. looks up zz4 crate motor stock from GM. SBC 350CID, 355HP/405Torque and that is a factory carb motor. lets say a fuel injection system didnt increase the power. that 55hp and 20tq they gained on this motor is a lie. they gained 44hp and 5 tq most of which ide say came from using FI to begin with

OK - so some of you scoff. I figured I'd take a chance and if one chip worked well, two or three should work better. After all, it's only $20 or so. I tried them and you know what? My mileage increased so much I have to drain excess gas from the tank about twice a month. I'm sold...:roll:

I read the first page of posts and everyone said that these chips run your engine rich...running your engine rich generally loses power and will not blow your engine...generally you will fowl plugs...but not blow the engine. Usually a chip or reflash increases raises timing (makes the boom boom happen closer to top dead center), lowers the knock sensors threshold to allow more knock before the computer pulls timing, and LEANs the mixture. The leaner the mixture the more power you make, but the more unstable the charge and hotter the burn. Running leaner while running more timing advance means you have more chance of detonation, which is, the combustion of air and fuel happening before top dead center. More max power you want combustion to happen as close to TDC as possible, this means max compression of the charge ie: HP. If the charge goes off before TDC this means the piston is still moving up while the charge is trying to push it back down (detonation)...and as you may recall from 7th grade gym class...tackling running in the same direction as you hurts a lot less than running into someone running at you. Running a chip for a motor like ours will yield very little results even with full exhaust and intake. Switch and intake and then taking a dyno pull often see results that do not last. The engine has not had time to make adjustments to it long term maps, and thus runs a little lean until you have driven for 30-50 miles...if a dyno were done after that...most likely you would see close to zero increase in power. Cat back exhaust does nothing but sound cool/annoying depending on what camp you live in. If you want large gains for small amounts of money by a turbo charged car. My WRX put down around 220 WHP (wheel hp) and by the time I was done was putting down around 300 WHP...this was done by only putting on a full exhaust (turbo back...not just a cat back), intake and reflash of the ecu. This was accomplished with about $1000 and can be done for less if you are willing to risk blowing up your motor and learning how to open source tune (for subaru anyway). In a Honda...from what I can tell...you can't even get a Hondata tune for our cars and it costs about $1000...without bolt ons. So you COULD spend $1000 on our cars and see no real power gains. It seems to get large HP numbers out of a Honda you have to spend huge $$$ for an N/A set up, and you still would be hard pressed to see what I was getting out of the WRX for $1000. Most Honda guys make big numbers with super chargers or turbos. Feel free to correct anything that is not right as I am not expert...just spent a lot of time and money voiding a perfectly good warranties.

This was accomplished with about $1000 and can be done for less if you are willing to risk blowing up your motor and learning how to open source tune (for subaru anyway). In a Honda...from what I can tell...you can't even get a Hondata tune for our cars and it costs about $1000...without bolt ons. So you COULD spend $1000 on our cars and see no real power gains. It seems to get large HP numbers out of a Honda you have to spend huge $$$ for an N/A set up, and you still would be hard pressed to see what I was getting out of the WRX for $1000. Most Honda guys make big numbers with super chargers or turbos. Feel free to correct anything that is not right as I am not expert...just spent a lot of time and money voiding a perfectly good warranties.


all i hear is wrx this wrx that. if you really want somthing like wrx power gains for the same price 1k vs 1k. an element is not the way to go. wrx was what a 2.5 turbo? element is a 2.4 NA. its like comparing apples and oranges. what about 1k$ on a 2011 5.0 mustang? 500hp+ lol

do the basic 1k$ mods to say an acura RDX and you will see bigger gains but thats a 2.3 turbo 240hp 260tq.

hondata just makes it easy. sure theres no tune for an element but it has to start somewhere. the ready made tunes didnt just appear. they came from people who tuned their car and uploaded it.

any good shop with a dyno that can tune with hondata can tune your car pretty easily

as for waiting. have you ever dynotuned a car? not dyno tested for hp.... ive gone through full tanks of gas on the dyno when tuning. thats not running enough?

if your felling up to it you can make a megasquirt for like 100$ i ran my old vw vr6 swap on megasquirt

when i built my turbo 03 ep3 back in 03 hondata didnt have specific tunes it took weeks of street tuning before it was even able to be dyno tuned without blowing. it was such a missmosh of parts.... you couldnt call it a rsx motor,civic motor,tsx,type r.

i was one of the first people to find out guardian was not a good piggyback
to modify aluminum oil pans they need to be new. there were many new experiences. but thats kinda the fun of building somthing yourself.

if your looking for the easy button it doesnt exist even if you dump loads of cash at a shop.


as for warantee it sucks. cars break after its over. if it worries you buy somthing a few years old.

what is it your looking for an element to perform for you? a 250hp daily driver?300hp?500hp?1000+hp?

now i know ive said this many times but the element has many options. and not all of them include forced induction. lets say you have 10k$ to blow. what can it get you. (and no wrx comparisons for what 10k will; get it.)


humm 10k....

250hp 3.5l V6 with boltons boosted to say 300hp very streetable.

300hp 2.6L k24 stroker. 12.5:1 compression k20 head cams hondata and basic boltons. (requires 93 oct and possibly alc/water injection)

k24/k20 franken t-60 mild upgrads all around. 430-480hp (needs constant monitoring)

rdx motor and v6 tranny swap STOCK 240hp 260tq

theres many ways to the 250-300hp mark basicly any small turbo or supercharger on a k24 with a head swap will get ya there. but i dont see a turbo/supercharger for under 3k,1kfor hondata 500-1500 for head+freshen...clutch,quaif etc etc nothing is cheap when done right and if not done right somthing can and will break

jdm import 2.2 diesel 140hp 320tq. tranny unknown maybe v6? maybe diesel specific. raise boost big exhaust propane injection exhaust brake who knows maybe 500tq? dont know many honda trannys able to hold 500tq?

maybe go against the grain? skyline awd turbo drivetrain swap? ls1-ls7 swap?

i know i said not to compare to a wrx but how bout a full wrx drivetrain swap and real awd?

The point was the Element is the wrong platform to try and make power and that there are other platforms that do it better for less $$$. I have no doubt you have more experience than me building cars...and I mean that. There is a reason why certain platforms are generally chosen over others for performance modding. I would really love to see someone drop a v8 in an E.

lol thats why i added in the ls1... one of my plans is to roll a c6 vette drivetrain under an element.

and I agree. certain platforms are chosen for whatever reason for diff types of builds. aerodynamics,weight,drivetrain layout etc.

not given the correct amount of funds and tools etc you can make anything from anything. im sure if someone wanted an element to fly or become a boat at will it could happen.

but does the outcome worth the means to achieve it.

an lsx motor 6spd manual rwd element around 405hp 400tq. would deff be a fun drift/summer truck. while hard to control it would for the most part be just as reliable as a new vette. turn the key and go no tuning etc

thinking about it more. an element with a *gasp*
wrx drivetrain might prove to be quite the good option. due to the boxer engine the center of gravity could potentialy be much lower


while i would love to build my stock motor i would not really find any fun in it. it would be repeating my civic in a way. i was data logging atleast 1 time a week and doing minor adjustments. i still tune and datalog my neighbors turbo supra atleast 1 time a week. its just inherent to the builds.

when i go for performance in my 2010 it will be a motor swap. either an imported honda turbo diesel, or a 3.5 v6 (stroked to about 4.0) unfortinatly to do these swaps legaly the drivetrains need to be 2010 or newer. thats why i will go nuts when i find my 2003. I might even do a 2010 SC body upgrade to the 2003.

This thread sucks ass. All I read is about complaints and rants. Can we start a thread of possibilities. *shrugs*

This is a little sad. Just picked up an 08 EX AWD today for my wife. My car is an 08 Si and was transformed by a little tuning via Flashpro. Too bad there is no support from Hondata on the E for FP.

Power, MPGs, etc is all there for the taking with the right device. Cheap? No. Ebay chips are a scam. True tuning is not. Just need access to the right tools.