So, has anyone used lower offsets on an Element?

I'm wanting to fit a 21x9 +22 on, plus it would need lug adapters, so it would end up with ~21x9 -10. :lol:

There have been many who have used lower or smaller offset wheels and have paid the price for a look or concept. The Element comes with an offsett of 45mm. As a RULE OF THUMB, you don't want to, nor should you go below 45mm. I mean plus or minus a few mm here or there may not make that big of difference especially if you're not going to lower the ride. If you lower it, be prepared to rub away the inside fenders, plastic and eat up your tires and experience rubbing over bumbs and everything else. Never, ever sacrifice the ride comfort or level for a look. That's just my opinion. I knew nothing about offsets but learned from someone who learned from the guru's who did the cars for the Fast and Furious. Like Maverick said in Top Gun, "I know better than that. You never, ever leave your wingman." Same thing here, you never, ever go below your stock offset. There are wheels out here that will offer you a decent offset. The larger the better and if you went as lower, say like a 40mm, it won't hurt unless you drop it. Then you'll pay the price.

I can provide you with websites and all kind of information if what I've said hasn't sunk in.


Peace!

There have been many who have used lower or smaller offset wheels and have paid the price for a look or concept. The Element comes with an offsett of 45mm. As a RULE OF THUMB, you don't want to, nor should you go below 45mm. I mean plus or minus a few mm here or there may not make that big of difference especially if you're not going to lower the ride. If you lower it, be prepared to rub away the inside fenders, plastic and eat up your tires and experience rubbing over bumbs and everything else. Never, ever sacrifice the ride comfort or level for a look. That's just my opinion. I knew nothing about offsets but learned from someone who learned from the guru's who did the cars for the Fast and Furious. Like Maverick said in Top Gun, "I know better than that. You never, ever leave your wingman." Same thing here, you never, ever go below your stock offset. There are wheels out here that will offer you a decent offset. The larger the better and if you went as lower, say like a 40mm, it won't hurt unless you drop it. Then you'll pay the price.

I can provide you with websites and all kind of information if what I've said hasn't sunk in.


Peace!

I know that offsets like 35 and 40 work perfectly fine on the Element, which left me to seek even lower offsets. If only there were widened fenders made for it. :|

I know that offsets like 35 and 40 work perfectly fine on the Element, which left me to seek even lower offsets. If only there were widened fenders made for it. :|


In your quote you used the words "If only". If is a small word with big meaning suggesting in this post that the lower offsets don't work because the design of the fenders is not conducive to support it, not to mention lowering of the vehicle. Like I side, if you want to rub away the inside fenders, gouge your rubber and do other damage, go ahead and work with a lower offset. A lot of the vehicles you see in car shows have super low offsets, wide tires and dropped! The fact of the matter is these vehicles are never driven and if they are, only in a straight line. They're generally trailered to where they need to show or they have another set of wheels to put on for driving and ones for show. You have guys in this forum that run two sets of tires and wheels. One for everyday driving and the SHOW SET they put on the day before or day of a show or meet to look cool once they get there and they take their time getting to and from to keep from destroying the underneath.
Bottom line is you can throw away good money for bad things and this would be one. You never, ever want to go less than what you factory offset is. Again, a 40mm probably won't hurt as long as you're stock height. Now drop it like it's hot and see what happens to your ride. Also these tire and wheel shops are trying to make money and will not give you informed decisions. It's up to you to arm yourself with the information and knowledge to make it work for you.

Peace!

My last set of wheels was a +34offset. It was lowered.....no issues in the front but did have issues in the back with rubbing, so the drop was limited. There's guys running offsets anywhere between 34-45 that have them lowered and all have issues with the back rubbing. Mostly because even if you have a 45mm offset you more than likely have a wider wheel so it's still going to rub. Shaving the rear fender can eliminate this to an extent. The width of the wheel plays just as much of a factor as the offset does. By going with a wider wheel like a 9 you're already going against the offset.

Finding wheels in the stock offset is a good rule of thumb, but there is a limited stock of wheels with such a high offset. I'm surprised you're trying to go with 21's....unless you're going for something unique it's hard to find wheels in that size as well as tires. You having a neg. offset could put too much stress on the axle.

To be honest I've never heard of anyone running an offset so different than stock, so my guess would be that if you didn't lower it they'd fit on there but that something would eventually break.....of course this is all just speculation but a pretty educated guess IMO.

The big question would be why you want a set up like this in the first place.

The starting point should be the width of the tire. If not significantly different from the stock width, then use the same offset. If much wider you will need a lower offset so the tire does not rub on front strut tower. But you also have to watch other potential rub points, such as the back of the front wheel well (while turning), and the fender time in back (especially if lowered).

In other words, do your research and learn where the potential rub points are.

paulj

The big question would be why you want a set up like this in the first place.

Because I want to be the first to run this type of wheel on a car, let alone a box. Affordable, light, staggered, just... the wrong offset. I could always have them filled and redrilled, then the offset would be 22. I could then use a narrower tire (stockish width) and it would work just fine. :)

I don't think you'll be getting anything close to stock on the rim....nothing under a 245 tire on a 9" rim. You'd more than likely need a 255.

Do you have any plans to lower your E? At the offset you have I don't think you could lower it much. You'd have to have a tire shop do some math for you to see just how much this set up would stick out from the fenders....I'd say quite a bit....also someone here with some wrench knowledge could maybe tell you just how much stress and wheel components and the axle would be under.

I agree it'd be a way cool set up....just don't know if it's doable.

I don't think you'll be getting anything close to stock on the rim....nothing under a 245 tire on a 9" rim. You'd more than likely need a 255.

Do you have any plans to lower your E? At the offset you have I don't think you could lower it much. You'd have to have a tire shop do some math for you to see just how much this set up would stick out from the fenders....I'd say quite a bit....also someone here with some wrench knowledge could maybe tell you just how much stress and wheel components and the axle would be under.

I agree it'd be a way cool set up....just don't know if it's doable.

I've seen a 235 on an 11" wheel. Anything is possible. :D

However, i'd only use a narrower tire to be able to fit the wheel on the car.

It's going to be lowered 2.5-3", basically the most allowable before it begins to make the axle bearings wear quicker.

These are the wheels I want to use:
http://i15.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/e1/a9/77b4_1.JPG

21" because 20 isn't that big, and 22 is too big. :)

I've seen a 235 on an 11" wheel. Anything is possible.

However, i'd only use a narrower tire to be able to fit the wheel on the car.

It's going to be lowered 2.5-3", basically the most allowable before it begins to make the axle bearings wear quicker.

These are the wheels I want to use:

Are those the exact wheels....coming off of that car onto your E? I've seen lots of wheels in that style that would work....probably not in a 21 but a 20.

Again I'd love to see you succeed in this project, but IMO it ain't gonna work. You won't be able to lower it that much unless like Chozn said you like the rubber on your wheels getting shredded every 5 minutes. It's just too wide a wheel and too low an offset.....the fenders will be hitting it all the time. I'm sure you could get a 235 on there but it'd be so stretched the tire would wear uneven and very quickly.

I know a newer member (beanz) is running 20x10's and was hoping to flair his fenders out, but I don't know if it's going to be possible as there's a lot of metal behind the plastic fenders.

I'm not trying to tell you to not do the wheels, but just make you aware that it's going to be very difficult to achieve what you want. Lowering an E on 21's with the right offset alone has it's issues with rubbing, but with what you're doing it'll take some major modification to make it happen.....I wish you luck :D

Are those the exact wheels....coming off of that car onto your E? I've seen lots of wheels in that style that would work....probably not in a 21 but a 20.

Again I'd love to see you succeed in this project, but IMO it ain't gonna work. You won't be able to lower it that much unless like Chozn said you like the rubber on your wheels getting shredded every 5 minutes. It's just too wide a wheel and too low an offset.....the fenders will be hitting it all the time. I'm sure you could get a 235 on there but it'd be so stretched the tire would wear uneven and very quickly.

I know a newer member (beanz) is running 20x10's and was hoping to flair his fenders out, but I don't know if it's going to be possible as there's a lot of metal behind the plastic fenders.

I'm not trying to tell you to not do the wheels, but just make you aware that it's going to be very difficult to achieve what you want. Lowering an E on 21's with the right offset alone has it's issues with rubbing, but with what you're doing it'll take some major modification to make it happen.....I wish you luck :D

I understand all of that. The whole 21" idea was just that... and idea. It will ultimately be up between a 20x8 and 22x9. :-|

Bump. Has anyone run like a +18 or +20 offset on an Element yet?

Edit: Wheels in question. 22x9 +18

http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/270240886524_1_0_1.jpg

OMG!! If you run those you'll most certainly do some damage down the road to your E.

Are those the exact wheels....coming off of that car onto your E? I've seen lots of wheels in that style that would work....probably not in a 21 but a 20.

Again I'd love to see you succeed in this project, but IMO it ain't gonna work. You won't be able to lower it that much unless like Chozn said you like the rubber on your wheels getting shredded every 5 minutes. It's just too wide a wheel and too low an offset.....the fenders will be hitting it all the time. I'm sure you could get a 235 on there but it'd be so stretched the tire would wear uneven and very quickly.

I know a newer member (beanz) is running 20x10's and was hoping to flair his fenders out, but I don't know if it's going to be possible as there's a lot of metal behind the plastic fenders.

I'm not trying to tell you to not do the wheels, but just make you aware that it's going to be very difficult to achieve what you want. Lowering an E on 21's with the right offset alone has it's issues with rubbing, but with what you're doing it'll take some major modification to make it happen.....I wish you luck :D

this is a back and furth conversation, yes i got 20X10 with 35mm offset and rides smooth and do nont touch a single spot, i also am rolling a 275/35/R20, if some one was let say running a 235 you would have to strech the side walls so far and go with a 235/ maybe 45 to 55/RXX which would end up being the example of stupidity, and rolling on adapters is also in the same catogory. get a rim that fits, if you need adapters than you are wasteing money, there are too many brands out there for them not to have the same style with the right bolt pattern. i am with dancetillyoudrop. go back to the drawing table it is a lost cause that isn't worth the headache. but on another note if i had 8 1/2 or 9 1/2 i think i could get away with something lowert than a 35 and still be able to drop it.

Only time will tell....:cool:

Bump. Has anyone run like a +18 or +20 offset on an Element yet?

Edit: Wheels in question. 22x9 +18

http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/270240886524_1_0_1.jpg


viper wheel?

viper wheel?

Ram SRT-10 Wheels.

Ram SRT-10 Wheels.

Good call. :)

They also come in gloss black and race grey, but I think machined and silver would go best.