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I was behind a CRX queuing in an intersection to make a left turn. Light went yellow, CRX waited for a few oncoming cars to clear and went through. I started to go through, and another car came around a lane and through the red... did my best to dodge, was hit on the passenger side (thank god I was by myself!) spun ~180 degrees clockwise (was turning into Westbound, am now facing Eastbound) and stopped once my rear hit a transport truck.

The Golf that hit me had the hood compressed by about 1-1.5'.. transmission fluid was spilling out and the motor was smoking.

Transport that I spun into just has cosmetic damage and was able to drive away once the Police were all done helping us out.

Thankfully the amazing couple in the CRX stopped and hung around to act as witnesses (and another car stopped too just to make sure everyone was OK). E is at the collision centre for the night, waiting for them to open and give me the verdict.....

I'm a little sore. The police on site were terrific, down to earth and handled things in no time. I'm disappointed in myself for not being able to dodge the Golf. But very happy everyone's OK! Money's cheap compared to life and love :)

Considering the damage to the other car (no pictures, sorry- but the entire front end was done), I'm proud of the E. She was hit right on the double doors.. with a car going atleast 40-70km/h. She kept me safe and that's all I need right now :)


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Ouch!!! I'm so glad everyone's okay! Poor E., she really came through for you.

I am once again assured that buying the E has to be one of the best choices one can make. How many cars can get nailed like that and the driver walk away?

I agree, the monetary loss will never outweigh the health of anyone.

Hope you get things resolved soon, are you looking at a new E in your future?

I'd like to get another AWD E but 5-speed.. but I guess we'll have to see how much insurance is willing to fork out. My gut feeling is leading me towards something cheaper.. a Fit or Civic. Unfortunately I'm a full-time student only working part-time, so leveraging the situation for a timely car upgrade isn't really an option.

I cleaned her on Saturday... somehow it makes me feel better to see she's still pretty, albeit a little deformed.

Oii, it chokes me up to think I won't ever get to roll with my big blue toaster anymore.

Oh Gawd!
Another true blue hero falls victim to insensitive, impatient a holes!:mad:

I'm not really surprised the E survived so well, and the other vehicle came out so badly (It's the way it is, bad things are returned 3 times upon those who commit evil) And E's are very able to withstand some pretty hard hits!
Glad to hear you're ok! Hope they can fix the E!!

Is that a Halton cruiser in the background? Where were you? I have a friend on the Halton Force...

Man...Im glad you are ok.

THis is really re-assuring however, going 40-70 km, the element looks like it took it pretty well. thanks for the post....and definitely hope you wont leave the EOC behind.

Thanks for the testimonial and I am glad to hear no one was injured. Looks like our E's are working hard to keep us safe!

Serious bummer but I'm glad you're ok.

Yup, those are the Halton boys-- accident was in Oakville, but I was heading to my parent's house in Burlington.

Just skimmed over the police report, Golf is listed as going 65km/h.

Insurance co. informed me that worst case scenario is a 50/50 split since I was turning. Hopefully it doesn't boil down to that.

I'm off to pick up a rental now... and the bills begin

I'll add my voice to the chorus. I'm very glad you were not seriously hurt. This reinforces the wisdom of my decision to purchase a second Element for my teenagers to drive...I know from the misfortunes of others that the E is a very safe vehicle.

Most importantly, I'm very, very glad you were unhurt.

Ted

Yup, those are the Halton boys-- accident was in Oakville, but I was heading to my parent's house in Burlington.

Just skimmed over the police report, Golf is listed as going 65km/h.

Insurance co. informed me that worst case scenario is a 50/50 split since I was turning. Hopefully it doesn't boil down to that.

I'm off to pick up a rental now... and the bills begin
Get ready for a fight with the insurance...
No fault means just that. They will asses responsibility based upon their own criteria, if they can. This means that you will have to fight with them NOT to. If they determine that you are in any way responsible for the accident, your rates are going up...
Was the other driver charged? Should have been, since you said they ran the red. You can also state that you were already in the intersection, making your turn, when you tried to avoid the accident.
What was the speed limit? If the other vehicle was speeding when it hit you, on a red, then the shouldn't asses you with any responsibility...(but they'll try, anyway...)
If the other driver is charged, and you have witness', then make sure the blame goes to them, 100%!

Good luck!

I don't want to speculate too much until everything's sorted out, I was not charged with anything.. and [the] other(driver[s]) was/were.

Witness reports (from the car ahead of me,and the transport I hit) both work in my favour.. so hopefully things work out. Trying very hard to stay positive :)

I am so glad you are ok - and as others have said I now know I made the right choice and I'd make it again............as you should if you get the correct settlement

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Glad your Okay!
I hope you can get another E

I'm really sorry to hear about your E, it's easy to get attached. It's good to hear nobody got hurt seriously however if you are feeling pain you should go see a doctor A.S.A.P. By the way I am NOT a lawyer, I've heard too many horror stories about people having problems down the road and insurance won't pay.

Looks like a testament to the strength of the B pillar.

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The poor e. I'm sorry to hear that. Glad you weren't hurt and I hope there is another e in your future (or something that makes you equally happy).

Oh, I'm so sorry your little box got hurt! Thankful that you were NOT!

Glad to hear everyone is ok...etc. etc. etc.

Why am I the first one to post this?

The sexbox got boned!!:D

That sucks!!! Glad that you are o.k. I am once again very impressed by the integrity of the E.

Backing up what Tim syas- be prepared for a fight w/ other drivers insurance. They will try to assess you a portion of the blame. We went thru that years ago when a driver ran a blinking red and t-boned my wife. I can't remember what they started to blame my wife at but I think it was 40%...I laughed and we went on the offensive. Finally had to end it (at my dislike) at 10% blame that my wife didn't slow down approaching the intersection and didn't assume other car might blow thru light. ( I'm the Fedex driver- thats how professional drivers are rated for accidents- not regular drivers). Make sure you tell other insurance company that THEIR driver was the one tickted. Also, that you have several witnesses to the fact that other driver was at fault and that they (assuming here) can atteset to the fact that you did nothing wrong and could NOT have avoided the accident. Good Luck!!

Backing up what Tim syas- be prepared for a fight w/ other drivers insurance. They will try to assess you a portion of the blame. We went thru that years ago when a driver ran a blinking red and t-boned my wife. I can't remember what they started to blame my wife at but I think it was 40%...I laughed and we went on the offensive. Finally had to end it (at my dislike) at 10% blame that my wife didn't slow down approaching the intersection and didn't assume other car might blow thru light. ( I'm the Fedex driver- thats how professional drivers are rated for accidents- not regular drivers). Make sure you tell other insurance company that THEIR driver was the one tickted. Also, that you have several witnesses to the fact that other driver was at fault and that they (assuming here) can atteset to the fact that you did nothing wrong and could NOT have avoided the accident. Good Luck!!
We have No Fault insurance in Ontario, so you have to deal with your insurance company only. But that's part of the problem. As you said there are different rules for commercial and regular drivers, but they assess blame the way they want to (what will come out to their advantage) and what they can get away with. Forewarned is fore armed.
I've seen instances where another driver is solely to blame, under the Highway Traffic Act, and charged accordingly, but the victim driver is still assessed a portion of responsibility for not doing everything they can to avoid the accident by their own insurance company...
And they won't tell you this. You have to be pretty specific in your questions to your insurance, and make sure you set the groundwork from the get go, that you will not accept any portion of responsibility!

As a driver Manager, Commercial Driving Instructor, and Defensive Driving Instructor, I can tell you that we train drivers that there is no such thing as a 'no fault' accident - each driver is to blame, because if you had been paying attention, you would not have been there...:rolleyes:. BUT these rules are supposed to apply only to professional commercial drivers, because this is how they are trained. The average driver has no such training, and therefore cannot be expected to follow these rules. Insurance companies 'forget' this, and follow these rules whenever they can...

Thanks for all the information! This is my first accident and I'm learning on the fly.

I picked up the rental car from Enterprise today. The only one left was a yellow Pontiac G5 coupe. It's bright.

I haven't heard from the claims adjuster yet.



Just found this article about left-turn accidents in Ontario...
http://www.wheels.ca/article/245084

nder the provincial Highway Traffic Act, a left-turning driver involved in a collision may always be charged – even if the oncoming through-driver runs a red light (who may then also be charged).

According to police, the traffic light colour at the time usually cannot be definitively proven, but vehicle position and damage will normally substantiate charges of "left turn – fail to afford reasonable opportunity to avoid collision" under section 141(5) HTA and/or "turn – not in safety" under section 142(1) HTA.

Looks like I'll be playing damage control from here on...

Horrible to see the E in traction but glad you're ok! I agree, be ready to fight with everything you have and make the best use of your witnesses that you can! Keep us posted on how things go!

Just found this article about left-turn accidents in Ontario...
http://www.wheels.ca/article/245084
Under the provincial Highway Traffic Act, a left-turning driver involved in a collision may always be charged – even if the oncoming through-driver runs a red light (who may then also be charged).

According to police, the traffic light colour at the time usually cannot be definitively proven, but vehicle position and damage will normally substantiate charges of "left turn – fail to afford reasonable opportunity to avoid collision" under section 141(5) HTA and/or "turn – not in safety" under section 142(1) HTA.


Looks like I'll be playing damage control from here on...
From what I'm reading, and from seeing the damage to your E, the Police are correct in not charging you. The main point of impact is behind the passenger door, indicating that you were substantially thru your turn when the other vehicle hit you. Besides, as you said, you have witness, who can definitely prove what colour the light was when you had entered the intersection, and started your turn.
You can be charged if they suspect you entered the intersection to begin your turn after the light turned yellow. Damage to the front end, or front quarter usually indicates that you should have waited for the approaching vehicle to clear the intersection first.

I'm buying you a beer once this is over with. Once again, thanks for your input :)

Not another EBP!! we'll be extinct in no time if this keeps up. Run for the hills!

good luck, hope it turns out for the best. Very glad no one was hurt.

Not another EBP!! we'll be extinct in no time if this keeps up. Run for the hills!

good luck, hope it turns out for the best. Very glad no one was hurt.
Why do you think I'm being so helpful????
(just joking, I'd give the same advise for any E owner)
EBP is too rare to see any die an unnatural death!

Received the call from the claims adjuster around 4PM ... the opposing driver is taking 100% liability...!!!! I can put the cap back on my 2litre jug of Vaseline, my already steep Ontario insurance rates will remain the same.

:D :) :D :razz: :razz:

Thanks for everyone's input, without it I'm sure I would've gone insane with worry.

Now I just need to hear from the collision centre whether ol' Blue is going to be receiving CPR or not.

And then I can finally get out of this damn rental! It feels as if it would be a fun car if was more 'connected' with the driver. All of the inputs feel dull and unresponsive.. steering is too light, brakes feel like cotton on porcelain, and the transmission randomly shifts. But my biggest quirk is the utter lack of engine braking. Although I'm sure this is due to whatever measures are set in place to maintain fuel economy, letting the car coast and naturally slow down is impossible when it's only dropping 5km/h per 100m (not so much in the Intermediate mode, but the shift points are way out of wack on my 4000km rental). Out of the domestic compacts, I have to say the Focus is still my favourite.

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*ahem* and in the meanwhile, if anyone's selling an AWD 5-speed Element (trim doesn't matter), 5-speed i4 Accord Sedan or 5 speed Fit... shoot me a PM :)

I had a similar situation on my hands last month. Glad you are ok. Hope your insurance deductible isn't too high... I remember what it was like being a student. (not that it was all that long ago)

Nice loaner car...its the same color (colour) as a lemon. :D

I hope you get your E back soon.

one morning I was awoken by my E's alarm outside my window at 5am. When i jumped out of bed I saw some women trying to back up a boat size car into a car port next to me and missed horribly. 1k deductible, 987 in repairs... uninsured motorist to the rescue... went to pick it up and the body shop goes oh the office didn't call you? huh, what, why? oh one of our tech's accidentally backed into the driver side front, we've ordered parts but wont be in for another week. so sorry... /sigh

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one morning I was awoken by my E's alarm outside my window at 5am. When i jumped out of bed I saw some women trying to back up a boat size car into a car port next to me and missed horribly. 1k deductible, 987 in repairs... uninsured motorist to the rescue... went to pick it up and the body shop goes oh the office didn't call you? huh, what, why? oh one of our tech's accidentally backed into the driver side front, we've ordered parts but wont be in for another week. so sorry... /sigh

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What did you do that was so bad? Kharma is seriously out to get you!

Sorry to hear about the E shrugs*. It's bad enough you were stuck with a Cobalt.....too bad it had to be bright yellow.



On a side note congrats to RD for learning to speak Canadian.

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All of the damaged panels/ lights were inside the cabin.

:-(
She's a total loss. $13 000 in damages, I'm receiving a little more than that from insurance.

Hopefully this thread will be standing proof of the E's safety and maybe lend some insight on the cost of damages.

I'm not going to lie, seeing the E in this condition (and DIRTY) broke my heart.

Nooooo the horror! Glad you're ok in the end though! Are they giving you enough to pay off your loan I hope?

Luckily the E was already paid for.. now to find something to fill my toaster-shaped void!

Luckily the E was already paid for.. now to find something to fill my toaster-shaped void!

That's not too bad then. You should be able to find a used E for not ALL that much more than that if you want. I believe there's a green E on trading post...:rolleyes:

:cool:Wow! another one bites the dust! My oh three ETB sends her condolences on the loss of her sister! oh! and i do too! (send condolences also)....

BUT

...if it were not for an accident that i was in two years ago i would not be riding in my E....the dealership came and got me a couple of days outa of the hospital and hooked me up with my present ride and i bought it used...

...eerily simular situation as yours and got jerked around at the beginning by the the dude at fault's insurance company who finally after four weeks of me chasing them down to respond to my complaints blithly told me to "SUE THEM"!

so, i got a lawyer and a year later i am laughing all the way to the bank in my blue E!

Glad to hear that your okay but i feel your pain, especially in my left knee on a really knarly damp cold day!

Keep us posted on your progress....

Luckily the E was already paid for.. now to find something to fill my toaster-shaped void!

Even those it's destroyed, I can tell your E was well taken care of,
and I feel your lost. Hopefully you will stay in the Element family,
and pick up a another lucky E.:)

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Damn! It even had an Apple sticker on it! Oh the humanity!

Soooooooo...when ya gettin the new Element? :rolleyes:

I'm afraid I've disappointed you guys... I'll post pictures tomorrow night after I pick it up.

I'm afraid I've disappointed you guys... I'll post pictures tomorrow night after I pick it up.

Lemme guess...ummmmmmmmmm...Saturn Aura? :lol:

Subaru Outback? (too expensive?)

Fit!?

I'm afraid I've disappointed you guys... I'll post pictures tomorrow night after I pick it up.


Oh no! She bought a Kiwi Metallic! ;)

Oh no! She bought a Kiwi Metallic! ;)

Oh the E-manity!! :shock:

THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME C'MON ALREADY ..... ( sorry about your E , glad you were not hurt , accidents are always a good Eye Opener ) ;-)

Oh no! She bought a Kiwi Metallic! ;)

She? But I'm one of them *****-equipped persons.

Sorry for the wait, it's been raining the past few days and I hate making poor first impressions.

She's no E, but she also doesn't have the E's $800 monthly gas bill.

After wash, claybar, polish, and wax:

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And since it's nearly Father's day, I cleaned the old man's bucket too.

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....but don't worry, I have a feeing there'll be a fresh EBP face in my driveway within the next few weeks :cool:

Nice! Not very boxy, but nice. The perfect thing to haul your **** around in!

Nice! Not very boxy, but nice. The perfect thing to haul your **** around in!

:lol: :lol:

Nice lookin car, glad you got something you're happy with! But we know you'll be back lookin for help moving a fridge someday! :razz:

They always saw it's Bad Luck to have sex in ur car!!.... i try not to doo it..lol

They always saw it's Bad Luck to have sex in ur car!!.... i try not to doo it..lol

I hear sex is bad luck in general, so I try not to do it at all anymore... that's my excuse... yeah...

I hear sex is bad luck in general, so I try not to do it at all anymore... that's my excuse... yeah...

And yet you still list the Beautiful Girlfriend Mod as a future plan...:rolleyes:

if you get a Kiwi E, ya never have sex.:razz:

They always saw it's Bad Luck to have sex in ur car!!.... i try not to doo it..lol

Funny story, it's a full moon and I'm studying for a midterm. Full moons drive me wild, ala teenwolf/leisure suit larry.

Around midnight I call up an old fling from my first year of college (she lives about 120km away).

1:45AM, we meet up and she drops her car off at a parking lot. We go for a spin in the country.

2:00AM, I wish we had met up closer to my comfy home.

2:15AM, I think "Civics are small. Cloth interior isn't as 'wipe-clean friendly' as the E."

2:30AM, enter forest.


......


5:00AM, we take a nap in a carpool parking lot (for 15 minutes), before I drop her off at her car.

6:30AM, I arrive on campus and cram for the 8:00AM midterm.

7:30AM, I enter the scheduled room with mud on my knees, elbows and with random forest bits stuck all over me.

7:31AM-7:59AM, I pass out.

8:00AM, write midterm.

Passed the midterm. After nearly 6 years of post-secondary education, you'd think I would've known better. I blame it all on the full moon. And the previously mentioned *****.

btw, Civic is now on 00 SiR rims and Falken 512 rubbers.

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...and just like the E, is obsessively cleaned.


So far my thoughts of the Civic vs Element as the daily...

1. FWD open diff sucks in the rain. Or gravel. Or mud.. or anything that isn't clean, level, smooth pavement.

2. D17 is a terrific motor, just like the D16. It's also unfortunately neutered, I still miss the K24's powerband.

3. Real car outsides (paint all around) is hell to keep clean (it's been a while since I've owned a black car, I must've forgotten how much of my life it steals). Dust plagues my life.

4. Real car insides (carpet and other fuzzy things) is hell to keep clean. Beach = ohgodsand. I don't like people, they have all sorts of crap stuck to them. I can see it crawl all over them.

5. The Element Shuffle (working out how a rear passenger gets out w/ the Es that have door mounted seatbelts) still beats The Suckinyergut and Squeeze Coupe Workout.

6. Owning the Civic confirms how well the E handled (for it's size). Although I remember my EM1 Civic being a lot tighter than the half-double wishbone/half-macpherson strut ugly stepchild EM2.

7. 6L/100km beats 10L/100km. I'm saving a few hundred a month. This is my favourite part.

8. Chicks, in fact, do dig the Element. I can't even count how many times I've gotten "awww.. I miss the Sex Box.."

9. Although it hurts, my winter/tow car search has now evolved to a Pilot or MDX... unless anyone's hauled 2 x sportbikes with an Element and wants to share how well it worked?

GREAT STORY! Also, thanks for the comparison!