Just hit 3200 miles and was thinking about changing the oil this weekend. The owners manual says change the oil every 10,000 miles, and do the oil filter every 20,000.

WTF?

I've never heard of changing the oil and leaving the filter on, and 10k seems a bit extreme for non-synthetic. Are they nuts, or am I just an old fart that can't change with the times?

This fellow old fart thinks they're nuts, too. The Honda oil filter lists for a whopping $7. I'd change it along with the oil.

And 10K? Wow. I had a tough enough time "adjusting" to 5K changes on my last two vehicles. Sort of hard to change your mindset when you grew up with big, loose V8's.

:roll:

This old fart is changing the oil and filter at 5000.

I'm no old fart, but oil and filter every 5000.

This thread smells like old farts!


I plan on changing both oil and filter every 5k.

lol... cars these days are built somewhat differently than back in the time before i was born.

get with the times, man! :D

I must be the tightest old fart around because I change mine around 3,000 mile mark. If I am the TOFA, then I might be the loudest one too, because tight rectums make for loud farts.

Oh WAIT!! Have I strayed too far from the subject? Please excuse me!! :shock:

Ger

Change the filter more frequently that the oil if thats the route your going.

i will change mine at 5000 miles..will change both oil and filter..
but i will bring it to dealer to have them change...
i believe that will be sometime next year...
as i only put 500 miles or less on it every month.. :lol:

Driving a CR-V now. Waiting for my ordered Element to arrive.
Re: CR-V and oil changes:
The dealer told me that the CR-V oil type and maint. schedule was set-up for 10,000 mile intervals (Honda's 5W synthetic?)
The dealer was especially adament about the first oil change not occurring until 10K. Because, supposedly, due to the fact that the factory-fill engine oil has a "micro-bead" additive that helps the engine surfaces attain the right "break-in", i.e., surface finish, valve seating, etc...
The dealer said to go ahead and change the oil earlier than 10K for any subsequent oil changes, but not the first one. (I made it 'till ~8K before I couldn't stand it and had it changed.)

This goes against everything I ever learned about new engine break-in.
It used to be that you should first change the oil at ~500 miles to get rid of all the metal shavings coming from the new engine.
But the dealer was adamant. He convinced me. He said the Honda engineers had been ragging on the dealers to ensure the first oil change interval was adhered to or else the engine wouldn't break-in properly and it might cause issues later.

I know the Element has the same engine. In talking with a friend who recently got an Element, I learned that his dealr told him that oil change interval (even the first one) is ~5000 miles. So I'm confused as to the different recommendations for the E and the CR-V and I'm planning to take up the issue with my dealer when the E gets here.

The dealer was especially adament about the first oil change not occurring until 10K. Because, supposedly, due to the fact that the factory-fill engine oil has a "micro-bead" additive that helps the engine surfaces attain the right "break-in", i.e., surface finish, valve seating, etc...
...
This goes against everything I ever learned about new engine break-in.
I saw your other post concerning this.

FWIW, I've found dealership service writers to be chock full of "selective disinformation" like this that's designed to scare you or at least draw your attention away from the man behind the curtain. I would call Honda and verify that one because it's pegging the BS meter.

Your service writer may be adamant because somehow he truly believes it... but for many technical reasons it can't be true. Call Honda.

Log one more elderly flatulent for the 5K interval. I only use Mobil One synthetic oil. I'll be making my first change at 1K prior to our planned Christmas trip to Cincy. The next change will be at 5K, and every 5K following.
Does anyone have the Fram or Purolator numbers for the oil filter?
Also, where do you get the "5W20" oil the filler cap label is calling for?
Think I'll just use 5W30.
Bob

I'm gonna go with an oil change at every 6,000 miles using Mobil 1 5W30 and a filter change every 3,000 miles.

hmmmmm... Oil change, eh? That's gonna have to be something I guess I'll have to get used to.

Drove my Jeep for 15 years into the ground. I think I remember once doing one of those things....

Mobil 1 synthetic 0W20. I plan on yearly oil and oil-filter changes every spring... no more. I drive about 10,000 miles a year with this car.

changed oil/filter recently at 500)K. they couldnt possibly make it any harder to access the filter. damn engineers! probably did that to discourage people to do it themselves!

Listen it might be hard ofr some of you that grew up driving domestics to under stand this but, there are factory 30 year old handa's still on the road today, that have had nothing done to them other than oil changes and tune-ups. So it is safe to the jap's knew what they are talking about. I had an 1992 Isuzu amigo that I blew that engine. There was a whole in the side of the block and the engine would still start. No lie! And we all know who makes those engines! So just trust them. They must have a reason and it might be to complicated for us to understand.

NBPEX4WD

OK....Enough has been said to (sort of ) convince me that I don't need to change the "break-in " oil at 1K. So, I'll let it stay until after we get back from Cincy, and do it just before putting on the hitch to tow the Hobie.
Still, I haven't seen any data on filters other than Honda brand.
Is there none available from Wix, Fram, Purolator, or someone else that's as good as the Honda filter?
Bob

I "believe" the OEM filter is a Fram, which doesn't have a great reputation, I have heard good things about Wix oil filters, so I used a wix filter for the oil change. No "facts" to cite, just vague memories in my head of past automotive message board postings.

>as good as the Honda filter?

That's your operative phrase.

The aftermarket Fram filter (PH7317) is junk, junk, junk. The filter media end cap is cardboard which is glued on, and the anti-backflow valve is nitrile rubber (cheap). Good filters use silicone rubber, which is much less sensitive to temperature and more flexible to begin with. $4.98 at Advanced Auto for the Fram.

The Wix filter (51356) is almost as good as the Honda, but has less filter media than the "official" filter. $6.94 from my supplier, and that's with my mechanic's discount.

The Honda filter is the best quality and best value all rolled into one. The current filter is made by Dana/Wix, superceding a less effective filter made by Fram. The local dealer refused to extend mechanic net to me as a walk-up (we'll fix that later), so I had to pay retail - a whopping $6.29. H&A sells them at mechanic net, $4.73.

Going with the official Honda filter amounts to one heckuva no-brainer.

I only inquired about alternate sources for the filters due to my contrarian nature, and the fact that the use of the phrase "no brainer" often implies that those who disagree with the expressed viewpoint are devoid of reason.
Sorry to "go off" , but to me, "no brainer" is a trigger!
You convey some useful information. Since it will be some time before I have to do the first oil change, there is time to get filters from H and A, or wherever.
All too frequently, OEM's tout their products as the ONLY ones worthy of merit, and charge accordingly.
If you don't ask, you don't learn anything.
Bob
"Not a Rocket Scientist, but I DO work with them"!

>Sorry to "go off" , but to me, "no brainer" is a trigger!

Wow. No slight intended in any way, Bob. :oops: Derogatory implication in "no brainer" is just not familiar to me, so apologies on hitting a trigger.

The inference is that I was quite surprised by the differences and especially the price and quality advantages of the Honda filter. That's quite unusual in the biz - you usually pay a premium for official factory parts when it comes to the consumables. It's nice for once to not have to think about it.

Mike,
No harm, no foul. Just left the guard off a "hot button", I guess! :lol:
Yes, the fact that the OEM stuff nearly always costs quite a bit more than aftermarket parts that are, in many cases, as good as, if not better than the OEM has always been a sore point to me.
After our last exchange, I went to the H and A site and looked at the cut-aways of the two filters. The Honda filter certainly appears to be superior in construction. The fact that it is available CHEAPER makes it all the more attractive!
I just ordered the rear deflector from H and A. I expect to order the keyless entry setup and some filters soon.
Bob

>looked at the cut-aways of the two filters.

Oh, good. You found the cut-aways at the H&A site. Pretty interesting, yes?

Last month I bought Honda, Fram and Wix filters expressly for the purpose of cutting them apart to do the same thing. About a day later I stumbled into that page at H&A... it saved me the trouble... now I have no idea what I'm going to do with the Wix and Fram filters, tho...

:wink:

I already knew what the deal was with Fram, but the difference between the Wix/Wix and Honda/Wix filters was an eye-opener. The Honda filter has at least a third more filter material and heavier can hardware. Who'd a thunk?

Yep..Looked in the owner's manual of my new SOP EX and sure enough it says first oil change is at 10k miles with changes every 5k miles..I think that applies to the filters as well. I'm going by the Severe Duty Service because my Element will be making a lot of short trips around town, start and go type of driving, etc..

Honda also recommends 5w-20 oil and doesn't have a problem with synthetic oil.

Spark plugs are to last 110k miles... :shock:

My Lord..All this lack of maintenance is quite a shock....But I would think that Honda would know best about what needs to be done..Correct?

Honda does recomend oil at 10k oil and filter at20k BUT they also only give you a 3/36k warranty.I recomend the 1st @ 5k-7500. Factory oil has more detergents in it to help break in .Honda oil filters are made by Fram

>Honda oil filters are made by Fram

Not for at least three months. You might check what you're currently using and you'll see the Dana diamond stamped into the base between two intake holes. If it still says "Fram" then your parts dep't is working from old stock.

[quote:75e57e3b70=" "]Honda does recomend oil at 10k oil and filter at20k BUT they also only give you a 3/36k warranty.I recomend the 1st @ 5k-7500. Factory oil has more detergents in it to help break in .Honda oil filters are made by Fram[/quote:75e57e3b70]

In addition to Mike's correction on the source of the current oil filters, you must also be made aware the the 3/36k warrant is contingent on the owner following the service schedule. If you do not, or documentation is lacking they can and will deny some warranty claims.

-brendan

We still do have some "big" filters left that are fram. I guess the new small ones are the Dana I really never looked at the bottom so Thanks for the info. Honda WILL look for any reason to not pay a claim. Do the services but, beware of inductions services, power steering flushes and engine flushes. My dealership offers spiffs to upsale the extras

It clearly states in my owners manual to change the oil every 5,000 miles or 6 months which ever occurs first. 5w20. I think I will be going with the synthetic when the time comes.

[quote:3f1ecccbd4=" "]It clearly states in my owners manual to change the oil every 5,000 miles or 6 months which ever occurs first. 5w20. I think I will be going with the synthetic when the time comes.[/quote:3f1ecccbd4]

That's only on the severe maintenance schedule, which might apply to some of us. The normal schedule is twice that (10K/1 year, I think). Note also that a post on this thread talked about changing it at 5000Km, which is just too early.

Just clarifying.

-brendan

Our dealer put one of those "service reminder" decals on our E. It said to bring it in for the first service/oil change at 3750.

Apparently they didn't get the memo. :roll:

(Obviously this is an attempt to drum-up business from excessive servicing.)

Ponder this... if the 5000 mile service is so important re. disposing of break-in oil, why is it that the "service reminder" idiot light only acknowledges the 10K point? And why does the light only remind you about 10K service intervals? What if you're in a "severe duty" situation?

[quote:291d269dc6=" "]Log one more elderly flatulent for the 5K interval. I only use Mobil One synthetic oil. I'll be making my first change at 1K prior to our planned Christmas trip to Cincy. The next change will be at 5K, and every 5K following.
Does anyone have the Fram or Purolator numbers for the oil filter?
Also, where do you get the "5W20" oil the filler cap label is calling for?
Think I'll just use 5W30.
Bob[/quote:291d269dc6]

Ditto. I used Castrol Syntec 5W-50 with Fram 7317.

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The dealer was especially adament about the first oil change not occurring until 10K. Because, supposedly, due to the fact that the factory-fill engine oil has a "micro-bead" additive that helps the engine surfaces attain the right "break-in", i.e., surface finish, valve seating, etc...
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This goes against everything I ever learned about new engine break-in.
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That is also what my dealer stressed to me when I picked up my Element, only difference is they said no earlier the 5k.

[quote:f3d14593a3=" "] I only use Mobil One synthetic oil.................
Does anyone have the Fram or Purolator numbers for the oil filter?
Bob[/quote:f3d14593a3] :cry: MY GOD MAN.. what's the point of changing the oil if you're going to use **** filters.. at least use the fram premium filters. if you want to protect your engine use a ACDelco or the honda filters.. but for the love of E!.. please don't say the purolator word again.. there are children surfing the web.... :shock:

what's the point of changing the oil if you're going to use crap filters.. at least use the fram premium filters.
Huh? Where have you been, man? Fram filters have been junk for a decade.

Kindly refer to:

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

and:

http://www.handaaccessories.com/15400.jpg

There is no reason to use anything other than the official Honda filter. It it priced right on par with the aftermarket brands, and it is most certainly of very high quality construction.