When can I buy this to put in my 2008 and will it fit?

It would be cheaper to buy an aftermarket one rather than OEM, and the OEM 09 one will most likely NOT be plug and play to your 08, thus no advantage there.

trade your 08 for an 09 :evil::shock:

the Navi for the 09 is going to be expensive, just like any other Honda factory navi unit. Plug and play still up in the air, although it partially might be plug n play... expect modding the harness/wires to get it to work.

Aftermarket is the best bet, but just make sure the factory speakers/amp/sub are hooked up to it.

or like Tribal suggested, trade up for an 09, lol

i have a DNX5120 in the mail right now.

touch screen GPS by garmin for my 2007.. $600 shipped, from ebay. can't beat that.

i have a DNX5120 in the mail right now.

touch screen GPS by garmin for my 2007.. $600 shipped, from ebay. can't beat that.

Please take photos of installation and post them. I believe the unit needs to be hooked up to your tach and would like to see where and which is the correct wire. Thanks and good luck.

Too bad that OEM is the only OEM look. :)

Going to Honda's website and building your E shows the nav is an additional $1700.


Aftermarket.

Going to Honda's website and building your E shows the nav is an additional $1700.


Aftermarket.

That doesn't mean that's what they cost outright.

Example ($700)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-07-08-Honda-Civic-SI-OEM-CD-DVD-Navigation-Radio-LKQ_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c39Q3a1 Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2e c0Q2em14QQhashZitem200269741746QQitemZ200269741746

I got a book of maps at Barnes and Noble for $8.99, tells me where I am and how to get there. :evil:

That doesn't mean that's what they cost outright.

Example ($700)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-07-08-Honda-Civic-SI-OEM-CD-DVD-Navigation-Radio-LKQ_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c39Q3a1 Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2e c0Q2em14QQhashZitem200269741746QQitemZ200269741746
Yea but if you add the other parts you need, GPS Antenna, Navigation Disc, Wiring Harness it adds up. And thats excluding instal costs if you can't do it yourself.

Aftermarket is the way to go.

Yea but if you add the other parts you need, GPS Antenna, Navigation Disc, Wiring Harness it adds up. And thats excluding instal costs if you can't do it yourself.

Aftermarket is the way to go.

You can do it yourself easily. And if someone wants OEM, nothing will steer them otherwise. It's still better quality anyways.

Does it still have the analog audio input?

Does it still have the analog audio input?

If you mean the AUX input by that, yes, it still has that. You just need to hit the CD/XM button four times to get to it if you already have the AUX input plugged in. If you plug it in after you have the radio on, it will automatically switch to AUX just like it does right now.

You can do it yourself easily. And if someone wants OEM, nothing will steer them otherwise. It's still better quality anyways.



Actually the opposite is usually true with most OEM built in NAVs - do a search, LOTS of complaints posted about Honda's NAV system.


You can usually get the same or more features in an after-market for half the cost.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=14925

Query: Think the OEM navigation unit becomes worth it (as opposed to, say, a Garmin) for the back-up camera, or not?

Query: Think the OEM navigation unit becomes worth it (as opposed to, say, a Garmin) for the back-up camera, or not?

If I had small kids, I think I'd lean to the OEM NAV vs the less expensive Garmin for the camera option. Just in this area in the last month, two people have backed over their small child in the driveway :???:

Query: Think the OEM navigation unit becomes worth it (as opposed to, say, a Garmin) for the back-up camera, or not?

That would be a draw. Plus I think the idea of having it already installed when you drive the car off the lot is appealing, as well as having the cost of it masked in your overall payment. $1000 (give or take) at once for a decent aftermarket in-dash nav/camera system may be worse than $1700 over 4-5 years.

i think hondas nav is the best i ever used. do the $600 aftermarket navs have voice recognition, back up camera and ipod display and controls.

i think hondas nav is the best i ever used. do the $600 aftermarket navs have voice recognition, back up camera and ipod display and controls.

Yah, the backup camera and iPod display are very nice additional features.

Another benny is that the built-in's don't get smash and grabbed like the aftermarket portable ones do. Last xmas shopping season here, almost any one who left one out in view, or left the suction mount visible, had their side window's smashed and the the unit stolen - usually broad daylight in mall/resturant parking lots. :neutral:

How much are updates for the factory Honda unit? I take a portable any day.
If you know where your kids and pets are you wont back over them.

Fred

Maybe now, us aftermarket indash nav owners will be able to find a vss wire! OT sorry...

as far as i know updates don't cost anything my dad has had honda nav for 6 years now and hasn't ever had to get an update. the only nice thing about portables is that you can take them from car to car and their dirt cheap. maybe i'm just biased because i work at Honda but i think their nav is one of the best out there

You don't have to get the updates. But if you don't you won't get any information that was added afterwards.

Update disks start at around $190.00.


https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadvdsales/naviorder.php

The '09 Element EX without Nav has the same headunit as the '08 Element EX. Since the OEM Nav is the same all-in-one unit that they have been using in the Civic/CRV for the past few years, why wouldn't it be plug and play? The only addition needed would be the GPS antenna, and according to Honda parts websites, it is installed under the dash above the stereo. You can find Nav headunits on eBay for less than $1,000.

Since the all-in-one unit does not have climate control or separate components (like the Accord Nav systems with the DVD Nav unit installed in the trunk), I would think the connections would be the same to minimize costs: Main audio connection, Aux/XM, Amp, and then GPS antenna. Even the steering wheel controls are the same on the '09 with Nav. Since the XM tuner is external, that should plug into the standard 14-pin connector without any interruption in service. Also, comparing parts between the '09 Element EX without Nav, '08 Element EX, and the '09 Element with Nav, all three vehicles use the same part number for the mounting brackets. In addition, the Honda parts sites confirm that both the Non-Nav and Nav headunits are made by Alpine.

I guess I would have to pull my headunit in my '08 Element EX to see if the connections match the Nav headunit connections. I don't know if the All-in-one Nav headunit features a Trip Computer, like the Accord. If so, then I wouldn't know how to connect the necessary wires for that to function. When I did the OEM Nav conversion with my 2003 Accord, the guy I bought it from made his own custom wiring harness for plug-and-play with the separate components, including wiring in the Trip Computer into the ECM. But even without the Trip Computer, it would still be worth it to have the OEM Nav. Would have been nice if Nav was an option in 2008.

Here are the rear connections on the All-in-one Nav headunit. Haven't been able to find any pics of the rear connections for the EX headunit with XM. GPS antenna is the upper left, you would then have the main audio harness, Amp harness, Aux harness, and XM harness. Don't know what the others are.
http://web.me.com/peter.hillman/Site/photos/civ.jpg

The '09 Element EX without Nav has the same headunit as the '08 Element EX. Since the OEM Nav is the same all-in-one unit that they have been using in the Civic/CRV for the past few years, why wouldn't it be plug and play? The only addition needed would be the GPS antenna, and according to Honda parts websites, it is installed under the dash above the stereo. You can find Nav headunits on eBay for less than $1,000.

Since the all-in-one unit does not have climate control or separate components (like the Accord Nav systems with the DVD Nav unit installed in the trunk), I would think the connections would be the same to minimize costs: Main audio connection, Aux/XM, Amp, and then GPS antenna. Even the steering wheel controls are the same on the '09 with Nav. Since the XM tuner is external, that should plug into the standard 14-pin connector without any interruption in service. Also, comparing parts between the '09 Element EX without Nav, '08 Element EX, and the '09 Element with Nav, all three vehicles use the same part number for the mounting brackets. In addition, the Honda parts sites confirm that both the Non-Nav and Nav headunits are made by Alpine.

I guess I would have to pull my headunit in my '08 Element EX to see if the connections match the Nav headunit connections. I don't know if the All-in-one Nav headunit features a Trip Computer, like the Accord. If so, then I wouldn't know how to connect the necessary wires for that to function. When I did the OEM Nav conversion with my 2003 Accord, the guy I bought it from made his own custom wiring harness for plug-and-play with the separate components, including wiring in the Trip Computer into the ECM. But even without the Trip Computer, it would still be worth it to have the OEM Nav. Would have been nice if Nav was an option in 2008.

Here are the rear connections on the All-in-one Nav headunit. Haven't been able to find any pics of the rear connections for the EX headunit with XM. GPS antenna is the upper left, you would then have the main audio harness, Amp harness, Aux harness, and XM harness. Don't know what the others are.



This post shows the connections for a non navi head unit from a 2008 E.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showpost.php?p=686936&postcount=1


I am not sure what the difference is...if any...but the 2008 and 2009 non-navi head units have different part numbers.

Thanks for the post on the pics. I just pulled my headunit from my '08 Element EX.

Starting from left, you have the Amp in black, Aux/XM in white, 20-pin Main Audio/Power in black, Aux/Line In in green, and Antenna in Gray.

http://web.me.com/peter.hillman/Site/photos/e1.jpg

Comparing it to the Nav headunit, it looks like the Audio connector is different. Not sure what the extra connections would be for. But the photo I posted of the Nav headunit is from the "Premium Audio System" version, which is not the same model headunit offered in the '09 Element. Anyone have a wiring diagram for the Nav headunit?

From the 2009 E service manual......

And........

Thanks for the diagram for the rear of the Nav unit. However, can you provide more details for each connection? The digrams posted describe each one as "Audio/Navigation" without giving the specifics on each port. Can you provide info from the service manual defining each connection? Thanks!

Thanks for the diagram for the rear of the Nav unit. However, can you provide more details for each connection? The digrams posted describe each one as "Audio/Navigation" without giving the specifics on each port. Can you provide info from the service manual defining each connection? Thanks!

bump for second request, im looking at getting the oem nav soon, would love to have this information aswell

Pioneer indash nav for less than $450. on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-AVIC-F700BT-Navigation-Receiver-Playback/dp/B001ANZCMW/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232249004&sr=8-2

Also take a look at this w/ DVD and rear camera.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130AVICF90/Pioneer-AVIC-F900BT.html?tp=526

I'd go this route over the OEM and save a few bucks. If you were to finance on your own, through your own bank instead of Honda you can arrange to add the cost of this installed.

JUST picked up the pioneer AVIC-F90bt from amazon for 680 something which is including tax then crutchfield is getting me a few other componets and amps ect ect all should be good for me soon

Nice choice. The 90 comes with a 2 year warranty and 4V preouts upgrade over the 900 If I can sell off some carpc components I have laying around I might get one. I love the SD slot. I like this too, http://www.amazon.com/VTL400-Rear-view-Camera-convenience-vehicle/dp/B000XJ00BW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1232363247&sr=8-1.

Does anyone have the wiring diagrams for the 09 navi?

Its in this thread. There is a link in there for it.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64072

Does anyone have the wiring diagrams for the 09 navi?

Unfortunately, you cannot install the Honda OEM Navi in a 2007 or 2008 Element because Honda removed the VSS from those model years. I just tried to do an OEM Navi conversion in my '08 E and without the VSS, the Navi won't work. I even tried using an Alpine NVE-K300 Speed Sensor Generator and the Navi still did not work. The NVE generated a simulated speed pulse, but the OEM Navi would not interpret the data correctly and the vehicle icon fell behind and then just wandered around the map as I drove around. Honda's OEM Navi unfortunately requires a true VSS to work properly. The VSS returned to the E in the '09 and later model years. The '07 and '08 E determines speed using a countershaft speed sensor. This also does not work with the OEM Navi because it doesn't produce the correct voltage pulse for the Navi.

Current aftermarket Navi's no longer rely on a VSS for Navigation positioning. They now rely on the satellites only making installations much easier. So if you have an '07 or '08 E, you have to do an aftermarket Navi head unit.

Unfortunately, you cannot install the Honda OEM Navi in a 2007 or 2008 Element because Honda removed the VSS from those model years. I just tried to do an OEM Navi conversion in my '08 E and without the VSS, the Navi won't work. I even tried using an Alpine NVE-K300 Speed Sensor Generator and the Navi still did not work. The NVE generated a simulated speed pulse, but the OEM Navi would not interpret the data correctly and the vehicle icon fell behind and then just wandered around the map as I drove around. Honda's OEM Navi unfortunately requires a true VSS to work properly. The VSS returned to the E in the '09 and later model years. The '07 and '08 E determines speed using a countershaft speed sensor. This also does not work with the OEM Navi because it doesn't produce the correct voltage pulse for the Navi.

Current aftermarket Navi's no longer rely on a VSS for Navigation positioning. They now rely on the satellites only making installations much easier. So if you have an '07 or '08 E, you have to do an aftermarket Navi head unit.

Did you try putting in the ECM from an 09 or 10 E? Nothing has changed
from 08 to 09 in the engine or main wiring. I bet you can find one in a
junk yard. It might be worth a try?????

Did you try putting in the ECM from an 09 or 10 E? Nothing has changed
from 08 to 09 in the engine or main wiring. I bet you can find one in a
junk yard. It might be worth a try?????

Since the car is still under warranty, and the ECM controls the engine, fuel, etc., that is too risky. I have already spent enough money on this project and I am just going to sell the custom made harness, Navi, etc. to recoup my money. Since the '07 and '08 no longer rely on the VSS to determine speed, I would assume there are quite a few changes besides the ECM. The programming in the '09 and later ECM is obviously different than the '08 since the '08 relies on the countershaft sensor for speed, not a vehicle speed sensor. That could cause nasty side effects in the '08 as far as speedometer, etc. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I already have my eye on the Alpine INA-W900.

I am selling a complete OEM Navigation conversion kit for the Element in the Trading Post section. Since the '07-'08 doesn't have the VSS wire, it didn't work in my '08 Element.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65246