just curious, every thing i read keeps pointing back to the accord. but no other honda models are mentioned. has honda used a black box for anti lock and airbag deployment info for the E models too? I know its not a mobile audio question but it is electronic ;)

anyone in the know?
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D.

I would be curious to know the answer as well, I know the high end cars have it: Vette's, Lexus, Cadilac

[quote:d9f0b7376d=" "]just curious, every thing i read keeps pointing back to the accord. but no other honda models are mentioned. has honda used a black box for anti lock and airbag deployment info for the E models too? I know its not a mobile audio question but it is electronic ;)

anyone in the know?
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I know that the Civic has a black box. My cousin is currently involved in a law suit against Honda because she was driving down the road and the airbags deployed for no reason. Honda is trying to outlast them money-wise. After looking at the black box, Honda offered them some money to settle, but won't tell them what the black box says! I'd say that if Honda had a clear-cut case, they'd want to go to court to prove it. However, they are hoping that my cousin will settle to get it over with.

Needless to say, she is the one person that wants nothing to do with my new E!

honda does not, nor has ever, put black boxes in their cars.

GM along with some of the big 3 do put black boxes in their cars, that record the last 6 seconds or so before an accident. (records the position of the accelerator, brake, speed, engine rpms, etc..)

from what i read on the web manufacturers are not willing to discuss it much fearing public displeasure over a percieved violation of privacy. but automakers mentioned in several articles are GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, Mitsubishi (my guess is the fords and chevys are using them in satellite brands too..saturn, geo, volvo etc) installing EDR's (event Data Recorders) on selected models. which selected models of these cars, I havent been able to find out a thing. in fact several articles specifcally mentioned honda. although finding a list of EDR equipped autos has failed me, at least for tonight.

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Shen,

I beg to differ (Sorry)

This site sells the crash safety info including EDR info for Honda Accords and Civics: http://www.collisionsafety.net/products.htm


Amy

oh yeah, and here is a powerpoint:

www.nafa.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Education_and_Events1/Education_and_Events2/Fleet_Management_Ins titute/2003_Speaker_Handouts/BlackBoxTechWatsonG.ppt

Sorry lae,

http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3391730,00.html (at the bottom, it lists cars that come standard, meaning: from the factory, with EDR's)

Honda does not install EDR's... EDR's can be installed in any vehicle for testing purposes (and it's probably what the company does on the site you mentioned so they can sell this data)

Someone once said make your words sweet in case you have to eat em. Those didnt taste so bad.

LOL

Amy

[quote:bceda4d7f1=" "]honda does not, nor has ever, put black boxes in their cars.

GM along with some of the big 3 do put black boxes in their cars, that record the last 6 seconds or so before an accident. (records the position of the accelerator, brake, speed, engine rpms, etc..)[/quote:bceda4d7f1]

My cousin was told by Honda that they were taking her black box to see what happened when the airbags popped out. She is not the type that would even know what a black box was unless someone told her, so she didn't just pull that term from mid-air.

That list only lists GM products, We do know for a fact other automakers use them. Did you forget ford? they have nothing on that list, as youll see chrysler products are missing too!

i certainly think someone should make a list of all these automobiles availible. i know the automakers dont want to talk about it. but if its that taboo. then maybe they shouldnt...

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a more recent list:

http://www.harristechnical.com/cdr2.htm

still no honda. :roll:

That list isn't complete, Shen. BMW (for instance) has them. From the scuttlebutt in other car forums, they have been denying certain warranty claims by using the EDR (or, rather, the drivetrain computer's log) to verify "abuse".

The list you posted represents true Event Data Recorders - separate "black boxes" whose primary purpose is to record the last N seconds of vehicle activity. It doesn't include makes & models that "incidentally" have comprehensive logging functions as a part of the engine and transmission management.

Honda may, or may not. We don't know yet.

[Yes, fear EDRs. The only reason that only the "last N seconds" is recorded is because of memory limits designed into them. The next step for EDRs is to have enough memory to record vehicle events over its entire life. Think of it as an unblinking policeman in your back seat with his ticket book out and pen poised and you'll get a handle on where this stuff is going.]

Yeah - eventually if all cars went electric they could scan your EDR when you plug in and email you a ticket for bad behavior! This could make my life pretty easy. (I am studying for a career in L.E.)

LOL

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Amy

[quote:07ff02858e=" "]That list isn't complete, Shen. BMW (for instance) has them. From the scuttlebutt in other car forums, they have been denying certain warranty claims by using the EDR (or, rather, the drivetrain computer's log) to verify "abuse".

The list you posted represents true Event Data Recorders - separate "black boxes" whose primary purpose is to record the last N seconds of vehicle activity. It doesn't include makes & models that "incidentally" have comprehensive logging functions as a part of the engine and transmission management.

Honda may, or may not. We don't know yet.

[Yes, fear EDRs. The only reason that only the "last N seconds" is recorded is because of memory limits designed into them. The next step for EDRs is to have enough memory to record vehicle events over its entire life. Think of it as an unblinking policeman in your back seat with his ticket book out and pen poised and you'll get a handle on where this stuff is going.][/quote:07ff02858e]


I guess then the question isn't whether or not cars have black boxes, it's what do these boxes record and who can access the data?

In addition, I guess it all goes back to the whole "if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to be afraid of?" thing. Thanks Patriot Act!

oh, and if you WANT to add a "black box" to your car (or someone else's car).....

http://www.carchip.com/drive/products/carchip_products.asp

granted, it's not GPS trackable like the stuff they sell at http://www.networkcar.com, but it gets the job done!

[quote:f97a8dc614=" "]In addition, I guess it all goes back to the whole "if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to be afraid of?" thing. Thanks Patriot Act![/quote:f97a8dc614]

Hear, hear!

ok, back to E stuff,
-brendan

No, I got nuthin'.

Well...But no...Better left unsaid, sorry.

This day will go down in history!

The "black box" is usually the same system that triggers the air bags, and it uses the air bag deployment decision as the signal to commit the data to memory. (Some systems have another commit decision point that can best be thought of as "well, I was considering deploying the air bags, but decided not to" -- maybe you got into a fender-bender and the system woke up, but the collision was below the air-bag threshhold.)

So, the answer to the question "Does the Element have a black box?" is partially "it depends on what you mean by 'black box' " and partially "yes".