A Honda sales person that is also a family member has told me that 2010 will be the last year for the Element. She dos not know why or if there is a replacement in the works.:confused::mad:

Because it was a niche product and didn't sell as well to the demographic as Honda had wished. 8 years is a long time for any vehicle to be in production without a redsign. The auto industry is moving rapidly towards smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. It's easier for an auto company to justify a car like the S2000 because it's like a trophy for the company. The S2000 is an object of lust whereas the Element is just a car that get's the job done but hasn't created any buzz. Just with us.

Great!!!! Now what am I going to buy in------oh say 2015???:rolleyes:::-(:-(

A Honda sales person that is also a family member has told me that 2010 will be the last year for the Element. She dos not know why or if there is a replacement in the works.:confused::mad:

How and from whom did the sales person/family member get this info?

From what I have seen, dealerships are nowhere in the communication chain of latest news being handed down from the vehicle manufacturer.

Not meaning to come across in a nasty fashion. Just never seem to hear any scoop from car dealers unless it's some pre-intro of a new vehicle some 30 days ahead or so...and by then, anyone reading news on the internet has long since learned of the topic.

How and from whom did the sales person/family member get this info?

From what I have seen, dealerships are nowhere in the communication chain of latest news being handed down from the vehicle manufacturer.

Not meaning to come across in a nasty fashion. Just never seem to hear any scoop from car dealers unless it's some pre-intro of a new vehicle some 30 days ahead or so...and by then, anyone reading news on the internet has long since learned of the topic.

This was supposedly a communication directly from Honda. Granted I have not personal seen this communication but I do know she believes it to be true.

Dealers are always the last to know anything. Been working in dealers 33yrs, so I can state that with confidence.

Dealers are always the last to know anything. Been working in dealers 33yrs, so I can state that with confidence.

That's what I always heard.

I don't see where Honda's motivation would be to communicate that info to the dealers at this point. But then again, I ain't no international carmaker either so what do I know...

Dealers are always the last to know anything. Been working in dealers 33yrs, so I can state that with confidence.

I sure hope you are correct. I would much prefer having egg on my face to having the element dropped. :D

Yeah, the 2007 was supposed to be the last model, as well :rolleyes:

as I've said before I work on I95 at the fort Mc Henry Tunnel and I see a heck of alot of E's on a daily bassis some are there at the same time every night and a lot are just going by (alot of out of state tags). I would think that if something is selling well why get rid of it??? look how long the corvett or mustang has been around

as I've said before I work on I95 at the fort Mc Henry Tunnel and I see a heck of alot of E's on a daily bassis some are there at the same time every night and a lot are just going by (alot of out of state tags). I would think that if something is selling well why get rid of it??? look how long the corvett or mustang has been around


Sales have been on the decline for the past few years. Sales for the 2009 calender year look like they will fall just below the 14,000 mark. Can't compare the E to the Mustang and Corvette. The Mustang if i recall still sells over 100,000 a year and the Corvette goes without saying....

The development and tooling has got to be paid for by now and they don't spend a lot on marketing so I could see if it makes money for Honda it might hang on for a while longer. But if you are Honda you would have asked yourself by now where do you go from here with the E and is it worth the risk on the investment to develop a new generation and retool or milk it for what you can get then let it go away quietly?

I for one like most everyone here loves the "E" its safety rating is top notch with insurance companies and it's proven reliable and practical. With the up coming changes to CAFE requirements, Honda may be rethinking their focus on fuel economy. Many competing manufactures are also producing a box. Most if not all are smaller and have better fuel ratings. IMO Honda is still focused on the car end of the business. I wouldn't say they've been wildly successful with any of their trucks except the CRV. If you think about it, all Honda trucks fit some kind of special interest group. Most PU truck buyer don't consider the Ridgeline a pickup. The Pilot is nice but not nearly so popular as other SUVs. I'm hoping that Honda keeps the element. I bought is for it's practical nature. I would love to see a diesel version with a beefed up sub-frame for better towing capacity.

Because it was a niche product and didn't sell as well to the demographic as Honda had wished. 8 years is a long time for any vehicle to be in production without a redsign. The auto industry is moving rapidly towards smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. It's easier for an auto company to justify a car like the S2000 because it's like a trophy for the company. The S2000 is an object of lust whereas the Element is just a car that get's the job done but hasn't created any buzz. Just with us.

Um, there's no 2010 S2000...it's dead.

Um, there's no 2010 S2000...it's dead.

Yes, I saw on AutoWeek that the S2000 was dead and I can only guess that it is because of poor sales and not becuase it is a lousy model.:grin:

What does everyone think, is this the last year of the Element? I was reading some of the posts about how people are having a hard time finding Elements and that they are scarce at most locations. So, I searched online and I have seen no rumors or articles about a 2011 Element model. Normally with all the car shows going on and the 2011 models going to be release within the next couple of months you would think that some information would be out by now. With all this I became curious as to how many Elements that Honda has sold per calendar year (not model year), so I went through their press releases and was surprised at the numbers:

Feb 2010: 919
Feb 2009: 1079
Feb Total: -160 Less Elements sold in Feb from last year (22.7% Decrease)

Jan 2010: 736
Jan 2009: 1152
Jan Total: -416 Less Elements sold in Jan from last year (30.8% Decrease)

2009: 14,884 (43.7% Decrease From Previous Year)
2008: 26,447 (25.1% Decrease From Previous Year)
2007: 35,218 (32.3% Decrease From Previous Year)
2006: 51,829 (7.6% Decrease From Previous Year)
2005: 56,262 (5.8% Decrease From Previous Year)
2004: 59,927 (11.5% Decrease From Previous Year)
2003: 67,478
2002: 957

Honda apparently is saying it isn't the end.

Report: Honda Gives Green Light to Second Generation Element (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60635)

Lizzurd, thanks for the article link, that is good news. I just picked up my 2010 and the dealer only had a Citrus EX and a Black LX. My wife hated the Citrus, but I was lucky that another dealer needed another vehicle and just happened to be bringing down a PMM EX 4WD to trade, which is exactly what I was wanting, so I just got lucky.

I've really liked the Element over the years and now that I'm an owner I love it. It will be interesting to see what Honda comes up with for the next generation.

Thanks again for the link.

GC7

I've really liked the Element over the years and now that I'm an owner I love it. It will be interesting to see what Honda comes up with for the next generation.

This is the exact reason I purchased a 2010. I am worried Honda might move in the scion/cube/soul direction for the 2nd generation Element due to the sales decline and increased competition (i.e. making it smaller, lower roofline, no 4WD, etc).

My bet is Gen2 will be bigger and heavier. All manufacturers seem to do feature creep really well.
se

I'll be interested to see a 2011 E. I just went to the Cleveland Auto Show this past weekend, and didn't see a concept or anything. :-(

Simple answer is NO............................but only HONDA knows for sure

I hope they continue this line. I just Purchased a 2010 Element SC Black, and love it. Would love to see what they can do next to this awesome truck.

More pontification about the 2011 E:

http://iguida.com/2011-honda-element

More pontification about the 2011 E:

http://iguida.com/2011-honda-element

This article was from june 2009.


Discussed and pretty much dismissed here:

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58685&highlight=iguida

The recession officially began at the end of 2007 so do not expect fabulous sales since then.

And consider that a lot of cars that have been in production for a long time don't sell nearly as many units as they did when they were fresh.

Miatas produced 1990: 95,640

2005: 29,950

Mustangs produced 1965: 559,451

2003: 128,101


Both great cars that propelled a genre, are still around and will be for sometime to come.

I wouldn't put the Element quite in the same league as Miatas and Mustangs in terms of marketplace impact but the Element has not just been any 'ol vehicle, either. And the E has even more competition.

I hope they continue this line. I just Purchased a 2010 Element SC Black, and love it. Would love to see what they can do next to this awesome truck.



I just bought a 2010 Element EX on 3-5-10 I would only hope this rumor isn't true...:evil: The vehicle is actually very roomy and drives rather well, I would buy another one if I had the money.

This article was from june 2009.


Discussed and pretty much dismissed here:

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58685&highlight=iguida

Funny, and here we are in 2010 having the same discussion about the future of the E. God help us when the E is finally eliminated. Some people are going to implode.

for the 2010 model(April 2010). That's what two different dealers told me. What's currently in dealer and supply inventory is it. the next 'generation' or 'model replacement', which may or may not be called 'Element', will be a 2013 model.

Sales must be too low right now to make carrying the model worthwhile. Glad we got our 2010.

Dealers will also tell you that its safe to hose out the interior. They will basically tell you anything that will make you buy a car now. I'm going to start the rumor next year just for fun.
se

Salesman are the last to know anything about new models, no disrespect intended. Ford operates on a five year forecast/plan for new models/platforms. Honda knows and if they are making significant changes they are well on their way. Refreshes of existing models/platforms operate on a 2 year plan (again using the Ford model). This doesn't mean that plans dont' get canned, I have seen that happen A LOT in my past.

Honda officially released that it gave the "green-light" to a second-generation Element.

Honda officially released that it gave the "green-light" to a second-generation Element.


Where did you read this? Anyone have a link from a Honda statement rather than a car blog or car review site?

The only things I've read are from some car mag interviews in December 2009 with a Honda VP named Mendel:

"Element buyers like its flexibility and storage capability, which make it ideal for stowing mountain bikes, surfboards and ski equipment, he said. The CR-V is aimed more at young families.

As a result, Honda will derive another outside-the-box vehicle from CR-V underpinnings to replace the Element.

Mendel declined to say when it will arrive, whether it will look like the current Element or even whether it will be named Element."

Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091214/carnews/912149998#ixzz0nA6DJY2U

Where did you read this? Anyone have a link from a Honda statement rather than a car blog or car review site?

The only things I've read are from some car mag interviews in December 2009 with a Honda VP named Mendel:

"Element buyers like its flexibility and storage capability, which make it ideal for stowing mountain bikes, surfboards and ski equipment, he said. The CR-V is aimed more at young families.

As a result, Honda will derive another outside-the-box vehicle from CR-V underpinnings to replace the Element.

Mendel declined to say when it will arrive, whether it will look like the current Element or even whether it will be named Element."

Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091214/carnews/912149998#ixzz0nA6DJY2U



Here is another story quoting Mendel:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2009/12/report-honda-gives-green-light-to-second-generation-element.html

The Element, the ugly duckling of the Honda lineup, will live on for a second generation. According to a report by Automotive News, Honda VP John Mendel has confirmed that despite the car's underachieving sales numbers there are good reasons to introduce a modernized version of the functional box.

Apparently the largest argument for keeping the Element around is that it attracts a certain type of customer to Honda dealerships that wouldn't otherwise be interested in a Honda. Surprisingly, despite the fact that the Element shares its platform with the high-volume CR-V, almost no one cross-shops the two. Element owners also tend to be a loyal bunch, so presumably Honda is hoping to move original owners into a new model.

For the most part, many had assume the Element was slated for the scrap heap of history after its seven year production cycle (two longer than the average) hadn't produced a single second generation concept.

Originally Honda had targeted the Element at 75,000 units sold on an annual basis. This year it is on track for just 15,000.

There is no word on when the second generation Element could arrive, although it could be as early as the 2011 model year.

this year. The other cars produced there are the CRV and the Accord Crosstour. I guess it was time to take a good hard look at line efficiency vs sales.

I was researching the Element at many different dealerships; 0% to 1.0% of total inventory and those cars are sitting on lots for months.

Hey lizzurd,

I saw that article too which was also from December 2009:

(By Colum Wood, Monday December 14 2009)

I'd like to know what is driving the latest responses to this thread regarding the Element being "discontinued"? An old car mag interview from last year isn't exactly "news" to me. A recent announcement or press release by Honda woulld certainly be newsworthy.....has anyone seen one?

If not then it seems like Honda has not made up it's mind yet and this thread is just speculatory...but interesting!;-)

Here's the Scion xB's annual sales:

2002[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scion_xB#cite_note-23) n/a
2003 6,936
2004[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scion_xB#cite_note-24) 47,013
2005 54,037
2006 61,306
2007 45,834
2008 45,220
2009 25,461

Hey lizzurd,

I saw that article too which was also from December 2009:

(By Colum Wood, Monday December 14 2009)

I'd like to know what is driving the latest responses to this thread regarding the Element being "discontinued"? An old car mag interview from last year isn't exactly "news" to me. A recent announcement or press release by Honda woulld certainly be newsworthy.....has anyone seen one?

If not then it seems like Honda has not made up it's mind yet and this thread is just speculatory...but interesting!;-)



That was the point i was trying to bring up. A writer took comments made by a Honda official and spun them into confirmation that an all new model in on the way.


Remember all the fuss a few years back about the Crossroad being the new E and how upset it got some members?

I was researching the Element at many different dealerships; 0% to 1.0% of total inventory and those cars are sitting on lots for months.

Wonder if there are big regional differences. When I bought mine (Northern California), the salesperson told me AFTER everything was signed that he had two other people interested in the same vehicle (a used EX) and that they probably would be buying new instead. In other words, a small, but enthusiastic following...

Wonder if there are big regional differences. When I bought mine (Northern California), the salesperson told me AFTER everything was signed that he had two other people interested in the same vehicle (a used EX) and that they probably would be buying new instead. In other words, a small, but enthusiastic following...

Northern Indiana - The dealers can't keep Elements in stock. The last used E I saw on a dealer's lot lasted about a week and it was overpriced to boot.

I work at a GM dealer, and help order new cars from time to time. We have already ordered several 2011 cars and trucks. We get info each week about what models we are able to order and what equipement we can order on the new cars. When you place the order the factory does an answer back if you have to change the order or it can be built as sumitted. We get a cd each year that tells what is new for the year and what has been changed or dropped from the past year. We get this usually in april, just before the buildout of the cars start and the new year order event opens. We already had information on the 2011 Buick Regal back last september, and we will not see them in the showroom untill late this May. Point is if someone works at the dealer,and orders cars they will know if the 2011 Element is a carryover or a new vehicle or just dropped. My guess is that with the CR-V at full tilt, and the Crosstour being built at the factory here in Ohio they will not have room to build the Element much longer at that plant. The Buick Lucerne is dead, but will be built as a short 2011 run to finish up parts and probably run untill December before shutting down. They may be going to do the same with the Element just call it a 2011 Element and build it out. My wife works for a Honda dealer and I will try and get her to look at the order screens and see if it is going to be offered. Another thought is the new Element may come from Japan. If that is the case it would probably be Nov. or Dec. before we know.

there are at least 3 used and 1 or 2 new on the lot at my local dealer...good prices too. if you know anyone interested in northeast ohio, let me know via PM...i'll set them up with the best sales guy on the floor over there. =]

My local dealer only has a used '08 EX AWD AT in silver, 23,xxx miles.

That was the point i was trying to bring up. A writed took comments made by a Honda official and spun them into confirmation that an all new model in on the way.


Remember all the fuss a few years back about the Crossroad being the new E and how upset it got some members?


Thanks lizzurd....I get your point now!;-)

Looks like we'll just have to wait and see what happens. The lease on my 2008 Element will be up in January and I'm hoping to have some answers in order to decide whether to buy my lease vehicle (at an excellent price), lease or buy a new Element (if they still exist), or choose another vehicle all together. If Honda stops making the Element, it will be harder for me to let go of my '08.:-(

Everyone would hate to see the Element discontinued; however, you have to attribute Honda's decision, if they have in fact chosen to stop production, to our imploding economy.

I would think that if sales have slipped that dramatically, regardless of whether or not it is a niche vehicle, they may consider the inevitable.

On the flip side, why would they spend money on a "light" redesign a year or two ago and then drop the Element all together?

Also, I have asked several dealers recently and they have all admitted that they have no idea and Honda doesn't share that information with them. Think about it; it would be like this whole iphone debacle recently with all of the hype.

If you approach dealers as simply curious and they know that you are not in the market for a new car, they would likely tell you the same thing. I can see that some may use the "discontinued" line to sell current stock though.

Everyone would hate to see the Element discontinued; however, you have to attribute Honda's decision, if they have in fact chosen to stop production, to our imploding economy.

I would think that if sales have slipped that dramatically, regardless of whether or not it is a niche vehicle, they may consider the inevitable.

On the flip side, why would they spend money on a "light" redesign a year or two ago and then drop the Element all together?

Also, I have asked several dealers recently and they have all admitted that they have no idea and Honda doesn't share that information with them. Think about it; it would be like this whole iphone debacle recently with all of the hype.

If you approach dealers as simply curious and they know that you are not in the market for a new car, they would likely tell you the same thing. I can see that some may use the "discontinued" line to sell current stock though.

While the economy is definitely a huge factor in any business decision right now, what about marketing? Has anyone seen a commercial about/with an E in a while? I sure haven't...

I agree with you about the redesign...it would be interesting to find out why they made that investment if they weren't going to production with a new model.

We may just have to wait and see what happens with this one...and I hate waiting. ;-)

While the economy is definitely a huge factor in any business decision right now, what about marketing? Has anyone seen a commercial about/with an E in a while? I sure haven't...



No, but I have seen pictures on the TV of two flooded ones in Tennessee.:-(
Occasionally my local Honda dealer shows his CRV's, Accords and Pilots and the new financing, and I can see an E in the background and I get all excited:-D

Our E is my wife's. She jokes it is more masculine than my '08 CRV EXL. If Honda had a more "luxurious" E I woul be all over it. I love the one we have but also love my leather seats, sunroof and 6 disc changer.

Our E is my wife's. She jokes it is more masculine than my '08 CRV EXL. If Honda had a more "luxurious" E I woul be all over it. I love the one we have but also love my leather seats, sunroof and 6 disc changer.

No offense but a luxurious E kinda defeats the purpose of having an E IMO. To me its like a rugged Jaguar....just doesn't seem right.

No offense but a luxurious E kinda defeats the purpose of having an E IMO. To me its like a rugged Jaguar....just doesn't seem right.

Luxurious Element = Oxymoron:-)

Picture of the possible new Honda Element replacement?

The Honda WOW!

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/6674764/0510_tokyo_059+2006_honda_wow_concept+rear_side_vi ew.jpg

Picture of the possible new Honda Element replacement?

The Honda WOW!

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/auto_shows/tokyo/6674764/0510_tokyo_059+2006_honda_wow_concept+rear_side_vi ew.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZKaJowhB4

It looks an -awfully- lot like many of the inside features and lower chassis from the original Element concept. On the other hand, it loses far too much of what makes an Element an Element to keep my interest - especially if they follow the same patterns that went in to turning the E prototype in to the production model.

It hurt my back just to look at those seats. Show car designers don't seem to have the least interest in ergonomics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZKaJowhB4

Honda WEIRD.

On the other hand, notice the lighting package. Are those some sort of LED headlights?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZKaJowhB4

More like the Honda "Bow Wow"....

There's more dog related stuff on it than the dog package for the E ever thought about having. It does look kinda cool, but most concept cars do. Unfortunately most never make it to production.

I dont get it...all I see is some hot Japanese chick....OH there it is!

Oh...I didnt see the YouTube video...its a bit odd, but then again its a concept vehicle so only a 1/4 of that stuff will actually make production. I like the paw print tires! :grin:

Rememeber when they told us in 2003 that the Element was going to be between $16,000 and $18,000, and then the 2004 was between $17-$22,000, and now the 2010 are $20,000-$26,000, and they wonder why sales are down ? The other boxes (Kia Soul;-), Scion Xb :razz:and Nissan Cube:shock:)are all around $20,000 with the same type of equipment....and people figure they can buy a lot of gas for $6000 (the saving of buying the other box). If Honda was to drop their prices back to $21,000 they could sell all of their boxes...60,000 a year...:-)

I know somebody who work for honda (design in cal) where all honda world wide are designed. Honda is going to build a 2012 element but not a 2011. Just so you know honda crosstour is a bust(it is a sales DOG)nobody give specials on leases and .9 to 1.9% on loans for a new car. If not a BIG DOG!You can't sale elements if nobody has any(dealers). I just got a new 2010 lx and the dealer had to get it from a dealer 120 miles away( I don't live in a small town) So there is hope.8)

No offense but a luxurious E kinda defeats the purpose of having an E IMO. To me its like a rugged Jaguar....just doesn't seem right.

No offense taken. I suppose a spiffed-up E would be a Pilot but I like the lines and size of the E over the Pilot.

No offense taken. I suppose a spiffed-up E would be a Pilot but I like the lines and size of the E over the Pilot.

You could always do "after-market" if you wanted to spruce your interior up... Personally, leather seats and carpets aren't a good fit for my E!

Why did the WOW come into this discussion? The WOW was a Japenese concept car from at least two years ago. Back when the dog package for the E was announced, people assumed it would include some of the features that were in the WOW.

The Element WILL be around for 2011!

Oh...I didnt see the YouTube video...its a bit odd, but then again its a concept vehicle so only a 1/4 of that stuff will actually make production. I like the paw print tires! :grin:

They wouldn't even shell out for decent mass produced tires for the E now so how much chance is there of seeing Honda paying for a fancy paw print tire without jacking up the price another $500?

I know somebody who work for honda (design in cal) where all honda world wide are designed. Honda is going to build a 2012 element but not a 2011. Just so you know honda crosstour is a bust(it is a sales DOG)nobody give specials on leases and .9 to 1.9% on loans for a new car. If not a BIG DOG!You can't sale elements if nobody has any(dealers). I just got a new 2010 lx and the dealer had to get it from a dealer 120 miles away( I don't live in a small town) So there is hope.8)

That matches closely to what I've been told by dealers; next model in 2013 (probably arriving in 2012). The redesign plan was probably displaced due to Honda expecting a greater sales response of the modestly re-skinned '09/'10. Relatively few Elements are being built and distributed this year. The highest 2010 serial(VIN) numbers I can find on all of the dealer inventory I checked right now in May is below #5500 and many with much lower serial numbers aren't moving. The Crosstour is a sales dog, but element sales are half of the crosstour this year. If the demand for Elements were there, the dealers would have them available.

Here's an option for a possible door redesign on a new element without sacrificing the wide side opening....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25DfhSYr6V8

I like the sliding rear doors on the WOW and I like the overall look. If there is a next Element I hope it has the clam shell tailgate. I don't think that will be the next E because it has current CRV looks which by the time the next Element drops, there will be a new CRV.

I just read that Car and Driver gets a 2011 test model that is shipping now for July. The Crosstour is a colossal failure, but some of its design elements may make it into the 2012 Element. Hopefully, they won't ditch the side doors or fold down seats.

I like the sliding rear doors on the WOW and I like the overall look. If there is a next Element I hope it has the clam shell tailgate. I don't think that will be the next E because it has current CRV looks which by the time the next Element drops, there will be a new CRV.

I think one of the things I -didn't- like about the '08 CR-V when I was shopping for one was the amount of side window ugliness... which Honda amplified even more until the Crosstour finally got them to stop and see how much doo-doo they've gotten themselves in. Toyota seems to be sharing a lot of unattractive styling with Honda and I wonder if it's a symptom of different Japanese thinking or just that Honda execs needed as much of a reality check as Toyota.

Unless they start making some really strong changes, I don't expect to be buying another Honda when my Element wears out. They'll either be too ugly or too highly priced for what they offer.

A Honda sales person that is also a family member has told me that 2010 will be the last year for the Element. She dos not know why or if there is a replacement in the works.:confused::mad:

I guess we'll find out soon enough if it's all true.

HandA is listing parts for 2011 Pilots and CRV's already, but nothing for a "2011" Element.

I would like to see a new design come out but based on annual Element sales I would not be suprised if Honda did eliminate it from the 2011 lineup. It would be very sad to see it go.

I am glad I went ahead and bought my 2010......I don't know, the people who don't own one really do not understand.....:-(
Sad day if the E is gone......:-(

The Element is a convenient vehicle; however, it is terrible to drive on the freeway. Absolutely no passing power at all. Nor does it get the greatest mileage for a 4 cylinder engine. 2003-2010 without any significant re-design...shows that it was just a hobby for Honda and poor selling of all the Honda models. I would not buy another one (my wife wanted it for the extra cargo space), and glad to see it deleted from Honda's lineup. Hopefully they have a better vehicle waiting in the wings.

gotta disagree on the passing power there. Our other car is a Subaru Outback and there is a car that cannot pass. Compared to the outback, the Element is a sportscar.

gotta disagree on the passing power there. Our other car is a Subaru Outback and there is a car that cannot pass. Compared to the outback, the Element is a sportscar.

For Subarus, no turbo = no go. I have rented naturally aspirated Outbacks and was scared for my life. I have owned a WRX and now a Outback XT. Passing is definitely not an issue with those two cars.

I am in the camp that would love (far fetched dream, I know)- a Diesel Element. That would be the shiznit and convince me to purchase a brand new one.

i hope the element doesnt go anywhere. a re-design would be nice, make it a bit more aerodynamic

gotta disagree on the passing power there. Our other car is a Subaru Outback and there is a car that cannot pass. Compared to the outback, the Element is a sportscar.

I have to agree with you. I have no problem passing anyone, anytime, anywhere in my E. I think it has impressive power for a 2.4 engine.

I have to agree with you. I have no problem passing anyone, anytime, anywhere in my E. I think it has impressive power for a 2.4 engine.

+1

I've never actually understood this concern with "passing power". Maybe it's a testosterone thing. :-D In most cases, if you're using a substantial amount of extra HP just to pass someone on the highway, you're doing it wrong and wasting a lot of fuel. In most cases, just set your cruise, pay attention, and drive around the other cars when necessary.

+1

I've never actually understood this concern with "passing power". Maybe it's a testosterone thing. :-D In most cases, if you're using a substantial amount of extra HP just to pass someone on the highway, you're doing it wrong and wasting a lot of fuel. In most cases, just set your cruise, pay attention, and drive around the other cars when necessary.

:-D I agree. Usually those who complain about lack of "passing power" are doing 80 in a 65 mph zone, and trying to gain on and pass someone who just went by them doing 90.

I am actually pleased with how our new Element runs. The two previous first gen Crv's we had were stones compared to the new Hondas.

Sam

I am pleased w/the change of the 2010 I agree about the gas mileage being sucky as far as HP goes Just depends on the person & what kind of driving u do....as for me I like a car that gets me to where I need to go in a good amount of speed I need it to & my Ele does!................ NOT QUITE AS NEAR as my last car :-(.... but it does the job :-) I do hope theres not an ending to the ELEMENT. Just a little pause for the remake,

I've seen some confirmation that there will be a 2011 E!!!!

And, if anyone is near to northeast Ohio, this dealership (pm for dealership contact info) has at least 7 E's for sale! Used and new! :-)

And I just had some one swear to me that "The Price Is Right" game show just gave away a new 2011 Element in one of their contests. Is the 2011 already in production or are they just making the exact same vehicle and calling it a 2011?

[Customer] "You said I bought a 2011 Element, right? That's why it cost more than the 2010 outside that looks just like it."
[Salesperson] "Yes Sir! That's the bran new for 2011, Honda Element."
[Customer] "So how come the sticker inside says it was made July of 2010? The 2010 outside was made in August."

[epilogue] Two weeks later, the dealer ALSO seems to have sold the last remaining 2010, but they've got another new 2011 that looks exactly like it...

Well, since the 2010 was really the 2009 in continued production, I am betting the 2011 is still the 2009 in continued production (minus more options). :roll:

My "2010" was actually purchased and taken home in December of 09, so it must have been manufactured and assembled in 09.

The model in all vehicles does not line up with the actual date the product was produced. I will bet that most 11 models of any car are being produced now.