wtf? I thought hondass was supposed to be re-designing the element? like the scion did... the 2010 is the same old ****ty thing no hybrid, no deisel, no white no better engine nothing... **** IM MAD!

but lets not forget all the hard work they put into turning the E into a dog cage :mad:


what the hell did they think up the 2010 while snorting coke?

My advice to you? Don't buy one. Also stomp your feet up and down, cross your arms, furrow your brow, and make a whining sound!

My advice to you? Don't buy one. Also stomp your feet up and down, cross your arms, furrow your brow, and make a whining sound!


I thought he just did that !@

Dom

When did Honda say the E was going to be redone for 2010?

They just did a refresh for 2009.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a diesel...The whole diesel program is on hold.

Hybrid?.....Not a chance....The E is too big and heavy for that to even be a consideration.

When it comes to news about new models and changes coming from different sites.....Keep my signature in mind.


I read it on the internet so it must be true.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40772

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40772


That post was from december 2007. Speculation by an automotive site as to what was going to happen with future products. 2009 waa a minor refresh. There was no way Honda was going to bring out an all new E one year later.

Korey, if you are going to point at a post from 2007 then at least read the entire post. The OP stated he spoke with some engineers from Honda who contradicted the Automotive News article, yet you chose to believe Automotive News. The engineer clearly stated they were working on the new Pilot the Element would be pushed back to 2010 or 2011. Well we know it won't be a 2010 and the odds of them putting out an all new Element for 2011 are even slimmer.

Why are you all upset about this? The rumor of a redesign has been ongoing for 3 years and there has never been a single substantiated rumor about this actually happening.

Well, I'm glad they didn't because I just bought an '09

If Honda ever does bring out Element II, they had better not disappoint is all I can say.

Hybrid?.....Not a chance....The E is too big and heavy for that to even be a consideration.

Ford's Escape Hybrid is heavier and seems to be doing well. Hell, there's even a Chevy Tahoe hybrid which is MASSIVE. The element could be made into a hybrid easily if honda that the drive or desire. Diesel would be better though!

i dunno i think honda sucks now wether or not they had it planned. they could have at least done something different besides that odd dog basket


and well as for hybrid that is what i want my next car to be

only down part is it becomes more expensive, and depending on the battery, it could be hazardous as well but they def need a better engine this one just sucks

I don't know what you mean about this engine sucking... Be assured that if Honda made a hybrid version of the E the gas engine would end up being smaller. You would also lose a lot of room in the E with the batteries which would take away from it's large cargo space.

Honda has said before that they feel Hybrid technology is really only effective on smaller light weight cars.

If Honda ever does bring out Element II, they had better not disappoint is all I can say.

Someone will always be disappointed no matter what Honda does.

Me? I don't care one way or the other.:)

Hey, they did away with Midnight Red Pearl (curses!). Isn't that enough damage for one year?

i dunno i think honda sucks now wether or not they had it planned. they could have at least done something different besides that odd dog basket

My advice to you? Don't buy one. Also stomp your feet up and down, cross your arms, furrow your brow, and make a whining sound! Feel like I'm repeating myself.. weird.

I don't know what you mean about this engine sucking... Be assured that if Honda made a hybrid version of the E the gas engine would end up being smaller. You would also lose a lot of room in the E with the batteries which would take away from it's large cargo space.

okay that really only depends on the type of battery they use, some new technology being introduced into hybrids in the upcoming hybrid models is actually easier to shape which would make it easier to fit into a model like the element

and when i say a better engine i mean our engine suck?!?! what don't you get? not saying a hybrid would go faster but the fact that it is a hybrid makes up for that?!? and anything would be nicer like a v6 or anything

i mean, what part of "better engine" don't you understand?


Honda has said before that they feel Hybrid technology is really only effective on smaller light weight cars.

who cares what "honda says" people seem to be pretty smug with the vue and escape, they aren't near lightweight cars. they are big but not as big as the hybrid escalade, which shows that not too much space, if any at all, would be taken away from the element.

and when i say a better engine i mean our engine suck?!?! what don't you get?

i mean, what part of "better engine" don't you understand?

What is your specific issue with the engine in the E?

You can't just say our engine sucks with out giving specific reasons and expect everyone to know why you think that way.

The is hundred of thousands of K24 engines on the road worldwide so clearly not everyone shares your opinion.

Ford's Escape Hybrid is heavier and seems to be doing well. Hell, there's even a Chevy Tahoe hybrid which is MASSIVE. The element could be made into a hybrid easily if honda that the drive or desire. Diesel would be better though!


I stand corrected. I was basing my numbers on the E's 4wd model being 3700 lbs and not comparing the Escape Hybrid which is FWD to the FWD E which comes in at 3300 lbs compared to the Escape Hybrid @ 3700 lbs.

Either way my statement is partly true since Honda is currently concentrating on "light weight" hybrids.

Yeah, I guess I don't understand what you mean...:rolleyes:

In the case of the Tahoe, those things have massive fuel tanks it would be easy to lose 10 gallons of fuel tank and replace it with batteries and still have 20-30 gallons to play with. If you are talking about new battery technology that is ultra high dollar and not likely that anyone would put those on a base model SUV.

You coveted the E for years and now that you have one you are bashing it like no other. What did you really expect from an entry level SUV? The engine may not live up to your expectations but it certainly doesn't suck. This is one of, if not the most reliable engine on the market. So if you have problems with it, USE WORDS, to describe what is wrong and not just huge generalizations.

You would also lose a lot of room in the E with the batteries which would take away from it's large cargo space.


Nope, the Element is built on a flat floor with a gas tank and exhaust hanging under it. A battery pack would take up no more space than that. The Element's platform is tailor made for an Electric conversion. That batteries in Electric cars physically nothing like the battery that starts your car now.

Did some one mention electric cars? Here (http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686)'s the one I want.

I agree that an electric conversion would would not take up any additional space but a full on hybrid would potentially compromise the storage space. I know the older highlander has a smaller cargo area in hybrid form than the non-hybrid. Not much but it is a difference.

A full blown electric would be pretty cool and would love to see someone convert an E to one.

Did I read the tech specs for the 2010 correctly???

All 3 versions have Automatic transmissions???

No Manuals ??

WTFFFF???

Please say it ain't so...

Someone <cough>korey.OMG<cough> could slap a battery pack in their E if they really wanted a hybrid that bad I guess.

Maybe a solar-powered, deep-cycle battery, thing-a-ma-gigy-like kind. :D

hmmm i like the honda motor if ya want a v-6 put it in and stop cryin...:rolleyes:

Did I read the tech specs for the 2010 correctly???

All 3 versions have Automatic transmissions???

No Manuals ??

WTFFFF???

Please say it ain't so...

Looks like some Manual went through at the beginning of 2010 production year and that's it for the manual :-(

Did some one mention electric cars? Here (http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686)'s the one I want.
Great Link to the Video!
This is a Must See Video.....

Did some one mention electric cars? Here (http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686)'s the one I want.

if you pause the video at 30 seconds you can see an element..


but still great video

Nope, the Element is built on a flat floor with a gas tank and exhaust hanging under it. A battery pack would take up no more space than that. The Element's platform is tailor made for an Electric conversion. That batteries in Electric cars physically nothing like the battery that starts your car now.

If the Element was ever going to go Hybrid, Honda would use it's own technology to make it. Here is a link to a Honda Insight "walkaround".

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2009/11/2010-honda-insight-ex-hybrid-system-walkaround.html

I don't think Honda would have any problems packaging this system into an Element. But the chances of it happening are about zero. Odds are not very good Honda will build a next generation Element, and the platform is NINE models years old. I'd guess that the only thing keeping the E in the Honda lineup is an excess of production capacity as well as a large inventory of expensive parts used to build Es. The loss of manual trannys and the elimination of the sunroof on the AWD versions is another cost cutting measure since fewer variations make for more efficent assembly planning.
As soon as Honda needs the capacity at East Liberty for another hot selling model the E is toast.

Did some one mention electric cars? Here (http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686)'s the one I want.

driving over the weekend i found myself following a Tesla, and it definitely wasn't holding up traffic. fortunately i was directly behind it so i wasn't held up in the gawkers in the other lanes.