I have attached an article that claims dogs are a main cause of Global Warming
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood

I smell another tax coming on.......................

Didn't I read something about some "scientists" who had their emails stolen that proved "global warming" was a hoax and a money grab...kinda reminds me of the "refrigerant/ozone" money grab.

Don't let our "dedicated" representatives in Washington know this or for sure they will place a tax on vet office visits, pet toys, pet food, etc.

I always thought they should tax people that have kids and give rebates to those that choose pets instead.:grin::garfield::odie:

I always thought they should tax people that have kids and give rebates to those that choose pets instead.:grin::garfield::odie:

My thoughts at times, especially when I am in a restaurant with someone's child screaming or hanging over my back....A fussy baby is one thing, but a child being bratty is another.

My thoughts at times, especially when I am in a restaurant with someone's child screaming or hanging over my back....A fussy baby is one thing, but a child being bratty is another.

I went to see Avatar in 3-D this past Sunday, I can NEVER get through a movie without a bratty kid ruining it for me, I was doing good until 1/2 way through the movie a woman comes in with a 2 & 3yr old and sits right in front of me! The 3yr old stayed backwards through the rest of movie grabbing my foot and talking to me and throwing her 3-D glasses on the floor in front of me:x All the mom did was every 3 seconds say "ssshhh", "ssshhh", "ssshhhh"

I'd rather they let dogs in the movies:-)

I'm sure there is a study for almost anything having a high carbon footprint and a way to manipulate it so that you can get the results that you want. The whole global warming thing to me is B.S. Sure we need to take care of our environment but looking back at history I do not feel like we are in any type of danger.

First moose and now dogs.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37433

Orangee is turning into our resident animal emission expert.

next biggest emission maker will be twi and jojo :lol:

I have attached an article that claims dogs are a main cause of Global Warming
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood

I smell another tax coming on.......................

Well, I can sometimes smell my two French Bulldogs coming. :-D

When either of them lets some "global warming" gas go, eyes water, nose-hair curls, and the room clears. :lol:

If I lit a match right then, I'm sure I'd blow all the windows out of my house. :razz:

next biggest emission maker will be twi and jojo :lol:

Yeah you'll be taxed just to talk to us;-)

I'm sure there is a study for almost anything having a high carbon footprint and a way to manipulate it so that you can get the results that you want.

I agree, data is manipulated all the time. And what about the comfort and relaxation dogs bring to the sick and elderly, I bet that reduces medical bills.
Where is the data collected for that? And what about all the food cows eat?

And what about the square footage cows take up, we could be planting grains there instead and have it cost less. :roll:
This article pissed me off, (being a dog lover and all)
I also agree with jojo, we should be able to take dogs instead of kids to the movies.....lol:twisted:

jurn

First moose and now dogs.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37433

Orangee is turning into our resident animal emission expert.

I have emissions of my own !
There was a time I was known as Uncle Stinky...........................:027:

@ least we are drivin' Low Emission Vehicles

Yeah you'll be taxed just to talk to us;-)

u forgot ur talking to a canadian.... we get taxed for everything!

u forgot ur talking to a canadian.... we get taxed for everything!

Please send me the $3 eh, don't forget to add the canadian tax and the crossing the border tax as well.:roll:

here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNfU195LsY

and here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEy_22hG2j4

The whole global warming thing to me is B.S. Sure we need to take care of our environment but looking back at history I do not feel like we are in any type of danger.
Thanks for taking a look back at history for me. Now I feel a lot more safe. I wish all of these scientists would just do studies like you.

Maybe we can start a dog gas consortium and sell it to fuel power plants with 100% green power?

Or am I the only one with green dog farts floating around the house?

The writing's on the wall: one household, one Yorkie.

Gidget's laying here, showing her belly and four massive carbon paw prints.

365 Greenies a year, regular size + food + treats + shampoo + conditioner + vaccines + meds + trips to the vet.

I'll have to buy an Amazon rain forest to offset all that carbon.

Thinking of the polar bears, adrift on ice, wandering into the paths of calving icebergs, it's so affected me this evening that I ate a spinach salad with organic walnuts.

Am going to wipe the bowl out with snow so as not to cause the hot water heater to consume more energy.

Maybe we can start a dog gas consortium and sell it to fuel power plants with 100% green power?

Or am I the only one with green dog farts floating around the house?


I'm looking forward to dreaming of airborne green globules.

The Gidg does not pass gas. One word: yogurt. She gets a dollop with breakfast.

Well, there was one incident when she was a baby. She was walking down the sidewalk in front of me, and tooted.

She spun around to see what happened.

A precious memory.

:-)

The writing's on the wall: one household, one Yorkie.

365 Greenies a year, regular size + food + treats + shampoo + conditioner + vaccines + meds + trips to the vet.


Geeze, I'm screwed.... :shock:

Six dogs... no way I'm gonna offset the damn carbon pawprints. :roll:

The world is doomed - all because I care more about these guys than I do a bunch of politicians. Wait, come to think of it I care more about pond scum than I do politicians..... :|

(Tip on the greenies - visit greenies.com and get a coupon good for a 27oz box - buy one get one free - good till christmas eve. Of course due entirely to poor programming skills, their website only works properly with Internet Explorer - It's worth it in the long run if your dog(s) like greenies because You're talkin' right at 30 bucks worth of greenies FREE)

caring more about pond scum than politicians,,,,......that is too funny:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


But I'm the same way....:-)
jurn

Geeze, I'm screwed.... :shock:

Six dogs... no way I'm gonna offset the damn carbon pawprints. :roll:



They were talking about you in Copenhagen.

China said: "That chick with the six dogs for nine smokestacks in Hunan Province."

Speaking of China, this is another excuse for them to do mass dog slaughter.

Thanks for taking a look back at history for me. Now I feel a lot more safe. I wish all of these scientists would just do studies like you.

I'm not the smartest person in the world...trust me I admit it! Some of the things I say are just plain stupid. It's just when you take a look back scientists have said the next ice age was coming....guess what....it didn't happen....the Earth warms and cools. NEWS FLASH! Scientists are smarter than me! (duh!) But no one can really predict anything with 100% accuracy (look at the weatherman). Yes there are some environmental issues that exist and some are caused by man but in my unscientific community college educated opinion after reading (does audiobooks count? :oops:) about the history of our planet, Earth has a wonderful way of fixing itself. With that said, we do need to still do our part to help it along but I honestly don't believe that a dog farting or doing # 2 will kill our planet.

I'm not the smartest person in the world...trust me I admit it! Some of the things I say are just plain stupid. I honestly don't believe that a dog farting or doing # 2 will kill our planet.

enough said:roll:;-) and you say your no scientist8)

On the other hand I'm brilliant because I watch TV.:grin: After watching science shows I learned that since time immemorial species, either plant or animal have changed our climate and eradicated other plant/animals to extinction. It's called nature.
We as an intelligent species has the ability to affect nature at will. We can try and fix the damage we've done. Ever hear of Chaos theory--nature finds the way?
We can eliminate all our pets and start taking on monkeys as pets........Damn you! Damn you all to hell!:x

enough said:roll:;-) and you say your no scientist8)

We as an intelligent species has the ability to affect nature at will. We can try and fix the damage we've done. Ever hear of Chaos theory--nature finds the way?

What scares me, is we will try. Every time we have in the past, the "unintended consequences" law kicks in, and we make it worse instead of better.
Rabbits introduced to Australia for food - rabbits destroy Australian habitat
Cane toads introduced to control canefield pests - now the biggest canefield pest by far
Kudzu introduced to prevent erosion - kudzu now an out-of-control noxious weed displacing native plants.
Asian Carp brought in as a natural "green" way to control aquatic weeds - now killing off all other species in rivers and lakes across the U.S.

What would have happened in the '70s when the scientists were all promoting "Global Freezing", and they wanted to cover the Arctic and Antarctic with soot and carbon dropped from bombers, to absorb sunlight and warm things up, if they had actually managed to do it???

What scares me, is we will try. Every time we have in the past, the "unintended consequences" law kicks in, and we make it worse instead of better.
Rabbits introduced to Australia for food - rabbits destroy Australian habitat
Cane toads introduced to control canefield pests - now the biggest canefield pest by far
Kudzu introduced to prevent erosion - kudzu now an out-of-control noxious weed displacing native plants.
Asian Carp brought in as a natural "green" way to control aquatic weeds - now killing off all other species in rivers and lakes across the U.S.

What would have happened in the '70s when the scientists were all promoting "Global Freezing", and they wanted to cover the Arctic and Antarctic with soot and carbon dropped from bombers, to absorb sunlight and warm things up, if they had actually managed to do it???

When they first put aside Yellowstone as a NP they began systematically destroying it.
Beginning with removing the Indian population which was regulating the land at the time.

Yellowstone today looks nothing like Yellowstone from the 1800's.
That is what happens when we try to make things better.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_v38/ai_4373958/
The basic problem stems from a decision made by the Park Service years ago to eliminate predatory animals from Yellowstone, while publicly denying that it was pursuing such a policy. Chief among the consequences is that the elk and bison herds have exploded. Overgrazing by these specially protected animlas has brought about a calamitous decline in the food available to other animals, as well as contributing to soil erosion and the decline of various plants. It remains a mystery why the Park Service granted most-favored-animal status to the elk, which apparently is not even native to Yellowstone.

From the above article:

Cats have an eco-footprint of about 0.15 hectares, slightly less than driving a Volkswagen Golf for a year,

They obviously haven't met my two furry feline hippos. A visitor once asked when hearing my two boy cats chasing each other around upstairs: "You have dogs?"

It remains a mystery why the Park Service granted most-favored-animal status to the elk, which apparently is not even native to Yellowstone.

'cause it was a "symbol" of the park - "Yellowstone Elk"...:|

Like that they finally re-introduced the wolf to Yellowstone (used to live 70 miles from the park), to provide a natural predator for the Elk.

It's like using the Polar Bear as a symbol for Global Warming. "See them fall of the melting ice into the water! They will all drown!" (Actually they spend half their time in the water, and swim up to 40 miles a day when hunting. Without open water, they'd starve to death.). "Their numbers are diminishing, because of Global Warming, soon they will be extinct!" (Between Canada and Greenland/Denmark, they issue over 1000 Polar Bear hunting permits a year, and the population is still increasing. In the 1950's the population was estimated at 5,000 bears. Now the population is at 25,000 and increasing at about 150% a decade.)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_v38/ai_4373958/
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That Yellowstone article is a bit dated, 1986. Here's a 2004 article, written 9 years after the reintroduction of wolves to the park

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47284-2004Jan25

It does say the park has been wolfless since 1926. That may in part have due to hunting promoted by the park managers, but the overall attitude in the US was to kill wolves. Even now, ranchers outside the park oppose the presence of wolves. I think the big fault with the 1986 article (or book) was that it did not ask what happened to the ecosystem outside the park. Did elk hunting outside the park make up for the loss of wolves and other predators?

The context of this headline is a lengthy book by a couple of New Zealand profs looking the lifestyle descisions involved in 'sustainable living' - that is, a low impact lifestyle (as they see it). With an architecture background, they have focused most of their attention on house design (and have several books on the subject). This book addresses things like clothing choices (wear aprons so you don't have to wash your dress as often), travel choices (walking is better than driving), etc (these are things mentioned in the reviews).

The title of their book (Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living) is deliberately provocative, but the reviews on amazon.uk suggest it is somewhat heavy and dull reading, with lots of tables and figures. At 300+ pages they look at a lot more than just dogs and cats.

Apparently the high 'carbon footprint' for dogs comes from the high protein diet we usually feed them (i.e. lots of cows and sheep needed to feed all those dogs). However I wonder whether they take into account the fact that a lot of the meat that goes into dog food is a byproduct of animals raised for human consumption. For example the main animal products in the brand I am currently feeding my dog are lamb meal and herring meal.

In any case this is one attempt at weighing the impact of daily choices we all have to make, but I don't think it should be taken as the final word on the subject. I haven't found much on this book in the various science blogs that I follow.

offset ur carbon with a hybrid dog! :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2d/K-9.jpg/225px-K-9.jpg
Affirmative

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2d/K-9.jpg/225px-K-9.jpg

AAHHH but there would be a carbon footprint for charging it up.:grin:

My thoughts at times, especially when I am in a restaurant with someone's child screaming or hanging over my back....A fussy baby is one thing, but a child being bratty is another.

In these cases, silence is golden... I just turn my hearing aids off. :lol::lol::lol:

Stephanie

Didn't I read something about some "scientists" who had their emails stolen that proved "global warming" was a hoax and a money grab...kinda reminds me of the "refrigerant/ozone" money grab.




Yep, it is...

Read the following excerpt from the article that was pulled soon after it was published online.

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Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.

The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory. Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.

The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.

The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.

On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological stations far more often than those providing complete observations.

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IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations.
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The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

Global-temperature data will have to be modified if similar climate-date procedures have been used from other national data because the calculations used by COP15 analysts, including financial calculations, are based on HadCRUT research.
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End excerpt.

I remember when it snowed 8 inches in Dimmit County in south Texas (Carrizo Springs, Texas) in 1985. I noticed that while it snowed 8 inches in the country, it snowed half that much inside the little bitty town of about 2,000-4,000, and I was surprised at the difference in snow fall. It blew me away that a town could generate that much heat, even though I was just a teenager at the time. I thank these people for vindicating what I knew to be true all these years, that is, it's warmer in town than it is out in the country. What I DIDN'T know was that exact phenomena is used to manipulate the numbers to justify global warming.

Stephanie

Yeah you'll be taxed just to talk to us;-)

You already are! Look at the tax listing in your Internet bill(!).

:razz:

Stephanie

You already are! Look at the tax listing in your Internet bill(!).

:razz:

Stephanie

Conspiracy theorists say the global warming alarmists are buying shares of businesses that deal with energy conservation and work/fund politicians to help pass bills on conservation so we will be forced to buy their products.

SO to get my tax back, I'm taking on investors for my new dog food company I'm starting in my garage. I'm going to recycle dog poop back into dog food! Yummy!:grin: I've got plenty of it around here!:twisted:

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Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.
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I may still have that article and an English translation in my download directory. This IEA is an offshoot of an American anti-GW group. If you actually look at their plots you'll see that the time period where using the larger dataset makes a difference is roughly 1850 to 1940. The larger set, which IEA claims is better, fits the global CRU 'hockey stick' better than the smaller set the CRU used (i.e. it is flatter in that earlier period).

So if the original article got pulled it's because it actually supports AGW, not refutes it as the authors apparently intended.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/12/russian_analysis_confirms_20th.php
is a blog from mid December that gives details.

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SO to get my tax back, I'm taking on investors for my new dog food company I'm starting in my garage. I'm going to recycle dog poop back into dog food! Yummy!:grin: I've got plenty of it around here!:twisted:[/QUOTE]

I can give you a LOT of food donations!:grin:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/12/russian_analysis_confirms_20th.php
is a blog from mid December that gives details.


And we're talking what, ONE degree Celsius? Here's the full article I managed to get before it was pulled.

Have you stepped outside today if you live north of the 30th parallel? Arctic storm Barry is here now! Boil some of that ice and drink it!

:lol:

Have you stepped outside today if you live north of the 30th parallel? Arctic storm Barry is here now! Boil some of that ice and drink it!

I'm at 47.8N, with rain, lows around 40, high around 50 forecast for the next week.
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2010/01/northwest-heat-wave-and-cold-waves-back.html

and if you go far enough south you'll encounter summer heat waves
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10618577

It's low 30's here, expected to drop into the 20's at night for the next 2-3 days. I'm in Houston...

Stephanie