: Let's Do It! May 19, 2004 - do not purchase a drop of gas
id: 635 05-15-2004, 06:12 PM LET'S DO IT!
It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil Companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 BILLION dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies.
Therefore, May 19th has been formally declared "stick it to them" day and the people of this nation should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the word out.
Waiting on this Administration to step in and control the prices is not going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in prices that the Arab Nations promised two weeks ago? Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end?? WE DO!!.
We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after one day, we will do it again and again. so do your part and spread the word. Forward this e-mail to everyone you know. Mark your calendars and make May 19th a day that the citizens of the United States say "enough is enough".
GGMEX4WD5SP 05-15-2004, 07:31 PM Do you really want the government to control the price of gas?
If you want prices to go down, I agree, stop buying it. The prices will drop.
But you have really start using less. That includes buying products that require petroleum products to create. Anything made of metal or plastic for a start. Stop using electrical power also, much is made from petroleum. It takes more petroleum to make a car than to power it.
Do you think that by everyone not buying it on the 19th and then buying twice as much on the 20th is going to hurt anyone? Sure you will screw up the distibution system. Including the refineries. But forcing a refinery to shut down for a day and then go threw a restart would only raise prices.
There would be a good chance on the 21th you would have a to look for a station that had gas. Guess what they will charge?
If you want a nation campain to "show the oil companies", start one to have everyone reduce their use by 10%..
But please don't try to start the campain by using spam...
Cameraman 05-15-2004, 09:54 PM Ahhh c'mon. It'll be fun and we'll feel better. Isn't that good enough?
Pookies 05-15-2004, 10:15 PM and the next day they will sell twice as much gas as they do on a normal day.
Do something usefull. . . Carpool, walk, public transportation. etc
MikeSmith 05-16-2004, 06:51 PM Every couple of years, this pops up during a gas crunch.
Google it. It's an internet myth.
Sheniferous 05-17-2004, 01:15 AM man, i've been getting these in the form of mass emails since i was 16. and gas was still $1.10 a gallon back then!
anyway, i haven't purchased a drop of gas for 2 months, so how's that for stickin it to the man? ;)
like someone mentioned above, just do something other than drive, like carpool and take mass transportation.
Dasbear 05-17-2004, 06:57 AM :? Actually it would take 3 days of no buying.
Rationale: The Tankers trucks are on a schedule based on average use. That why you see them almost always at a certain station the same days. You interrupt this schedule by reduction, there by showing less usage.
Then everyone goes out and buys the same day and a spike hits. Again don't buy for 3 days and the cycle is confused. Yes the storage is now at a high and must sell off that stockpile or the entire system goes into a mass frenzy.
Supply & demand...
:shock: Slug
GYPSYTDA 05-18-2004, 12:00 PM this has been circulating as an email hoax for years..
see: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_gas_boycott_2004.htm
Comments: If this email looks familiar, that's because one version or another has been in constant circulation since 1999. Unfortunately, it's no more likely to succeed in 2004 than it was in 2003, 2002, or any previous year. Besides the fact that economists say it's unlikely that any form of consumer boycott could have an appreciable effect on gas prices nationally, it's hard to conceive of a more tenuous way of "organizing" such a protest than by means of an anonymous, randomly distributed chain letter like the one above. Past attempts have shown little or no results.
"It's hard for a call to boycott to work," Monroe Freeman, author of a book on consumer boycotts, told the San Diego Union-Tribune in 2003 as a previous version of this message spread by email. "These often are 'Johnny One-Note' efforts which don't have the money, the organization and the sustainability to succeed."
A spokesperson for Exxon Mobil echoed those sentiments, calling the effort unrealistic. "Unless total demand is reduced for a particular market area, as opposed to shifting purchases to other companies' stations," the spokesperson told the Union-Tribune, "retail prices are unlikely to decrease — unless, of course, there is an increase in supply to that market area." The major oil companies have consistently denied that consumer boycott attempts have any impact on sales. Service station operators say their pocketbooks are hurt no less than consumers' by surging gasoline prices.
Industry analysts blame the most recent (early 2004) rise in gasoline prices on increasing crude oil costs, higher demand due to a recovery U.S. economy and new laws requiring refiners to reduce additives that cause dangerous pollutants. The Lundberg Survey, a petroleum market research company, predicts gasoline prices will continue to rise through spring and summer 2004.
MikeQBF 05-18-2004, 01:26 PM >Service station operators say their pocketbooks are hurt no less than consumers'
And therein lies the rub. Boycotts like this only hurt the retailers. If such a boycott was in theory successful, they would lose the convenience store business, too, which is where most of their profits are, frankly.
The real "bad guys" are the wholesalers/refiners, who have been ratcheting-up their profits as the manufacturing and distribution deck gets shuffled by corporate spin-offs and acquisitions.
Petroleum products used to be a "vertical market", where a Mobil or Exxon or Texaco each owned the entire system, from the wellhead to the gas station. During the '80's and '90's it turned into a "stratified oligopoly/oligopsony", where there are a (very) small number of companies performing each function, with every step demanding a profit, instead of, for instance, refining being a pure expense with cost recovery coming from retail sales.
Ain't that way no mo'. :cry:
dballs5 05-18-2004, 04:16 PM just wondering how many people filled up today???
GYPSYTDA 05-18-2004, 04:17 PM [quote:0bb973f8da=" "]just wondering how many people filled up today???[/quote:0bb973f8da]
you do realize that gas boycott is a hoax right? this has been circulating for years..
dballs5 05-18-2004, 09:57 PM [quote:63f4defae1=" "][quote:63f4defae1=" "]just wondering how many people filled up today???[/quote:63f4defae1]
you do realize that gas boycott is a hoax right? this has been circulating for years..[/quote:63f4defae1]
YES....thats why I was asking this question I was seeing how many people are really trying to do this
Kayakin' Dan 05-18-2004, 10:55 PM I drive an Element. I have a 1/2 tank as of 5/18 and should have a 1/2 tank well into the weekend. So I doubt I will get gas 4/19. Not that that would do a damn thing since the majority of commuter vehicles around here are those stupid mammoth soccer mom Hummer's and For Expulsions and what not and they need gas almost every day. :?
On the upside, however, I've heard that the increasing gas prices are leading domestic housewives to start hooking to afford gas.
MikeQBF 05-19-2004, 12:10 AM I've heard that the increasing gas prices are leading domestic housewives to start hooking to afford gas.
You're incorrigible, Dan.
:lol:
hownowcb 05-19-2004, 12:18 AM Dan -- I've been a celebate widower for approaching eight years now! Care to hook me up with "one of them", if you "honestly" ever encounter one!?
Edison 05-19-2004, 08:07 AM I've heard that the increasing gas prices are leading domestic housewives to start hooking to afford gas.
:lol: But what about us guys??? How can we afford it now? :wink:
8)
helement2003 05-19-2004, 08:15 AM Everyone "not purchasing a drop of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the "gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at all.
Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not "hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6 billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going to lose any money at all.
By definition, a boycott involves the doing without of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted product held up as tangible proof to those who supply the commodity that consumers are prepared to do without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out" calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a hollow one.
Not buying gas on a designated day may make people feel a bit better about things by providing them a chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices, but the action won't have any real impact on retail prices. An effective protest would involve something like organizing people to forswear the use of their cars on specified days, an act that could effectively demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to move to carpooling and public transportation for the long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas, however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is being done without.
Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline chain, service station operators — the people who have the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the "gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the wrong person.
Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand. No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will lower its price in the long run; only a significant, continuous reduction in demand will accomplish that goal. Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient models, solutions they find unappealing.
An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some good by calling attention to a cause and sending a message. In this case, though, the only message being sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline that we can't even do without it for a few days to demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What supplier is going to respond to a message like that by lowering its prices?
GYPSYTDA 05-19-2004, 08:24 AM [quote:29c1cd96a7=" "]Dan -- I've been a celebate widower for approaching eight years now! Care to hook me up with "one of them", if you "honestly" ever encounter one!?[/quote:29c1cd96a7]
awww how sad.. ok we need to get this poor guy a date huh??
Sheniferous 05-19-2004, 09:35 AM like halving demand one day and doubling it the next is gonna big a real big difference :roll:
if you're "serious" about a gas boycott. never drive a car again, and never take public transportation that runs on gasoline until gas prices fall to a "reasonable" level. take the LPG bus or walk/run/bike to your destination.
but that's too much of a hassle when i can jump into my climate controlled car and arrive to my destination in relative comfort.
in any case, gas hasn't seen any real inflation in the past 20 years or so, not like any other products we buy, so how bout we let the price of gas be decided by *gasp* good ol' capitalism, supply and demand, and inflation?
face it, it's a necessary evil. well, not really "necessary" in the sense that water and food are, but we do need it.
GYPSYTDA 05-19-2004, 10:32 AM Shen great statement.. and exactly.. not buying then mass buying to follow will not affect anything.. think of the gas shortage in the 1970s they had to ration gas.. the little they could offer people did not affect prices, the masses who could not and were not allowed to get gas on certain days did not drop prices.. there were stations with out gas for lengthy periods of time.. yet they remained in business.. so this will not affect anything.. this is a hoax, and has been a traveling hoax for years..
ok now that said..i found a great site where you can shop for the best gas prices online.. ( you can also enter the prices you find to help others)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/states/index.shtml
PLUS they have a gas economy guide (these were highlighted as the best on gas economy)..
(mpg and annual cost a year)
Honda Insight auto 57/56 $376 manual 5 60/66 $334
Honda Civic hybrid auto 48/47 $437 manual 46/51 $437 lean burn fuel system
Chevy Malibu MAXX auto 22/30 $876
Chevy Astro 2wd auto 16/21 $1168
Dodge Caravan & Chrysler voyagoer/town & country auto 20/26 $956
Ford focus station wagon auto 25/30 $777 manual 27.35 $699
ford ranger pw 2wd auto 22/26 $876 manual 24/29 $808
GMC safari 2wd auto 16/20 $1235
Hyundai Elantra manual 27/34 $699
Mazda b2300 2wd auto 22/26 $876 manual 24/29 $808
Mini cooper auto 25/32 $857 manual 28/37 $749 premium gas.
Toyota Prius auto 60/51 $382
Toyota Rav4 2wd auto 24/29 $808 manuall 24/30 $808
vw beetle manual 38/46 $494 auto 36/42 $533 diesel turbo charge.
vw jetta wagon manual 36/47 $494 32/43 $583 diesel turbo charge
AND Here's the stats for the
Honda Element:
4wd auto 21/24 $914 manual 21/24 $956
Empire 05-19-2004, 04:12 PM I bought $40 worth of gas today.
I love this new "Ass for Gas" program! :shock:
Redpunk 05-20-2004, 02:19 PM Yeah, Hownow does too.
Better watch what you say KDan, he may just believe you and make a trip to the A-T-L. We have no shortage of gas guzzling soccer mom mobiles here :wink:
GYPSYTDA 05-20-2004, 03:42 PM thought you all might enjoy this chart: (other countries have gasoline at about 3x what we are paying)
US gallon 1 imperial UK gallon 0.83 litre 3.785
followed borrowed from: http://www.forbes.com/business/newswire/20...rtr1378967.html
The table below lists the retail prices of the most commonly sold gasoline blends in each country. Prices are listed in local currency and in U.S. dollars per litre.
Country ***Cost per litre ***Cost inU.S. dollars
Australia 1.07 Aus dollars $0.74
Brazil 1.937 reais $0.61
France 1.118 euros $1.33
Germany 1.199 euros $1.43
India 32 rupees $0.71
Iran 800 rials $0.09
Mexico 6.11 pesos $0.53
Netherlands 1.274 euros $1.52
Nigeria 41.70 naira $0.31
Russia 15 roubles $0.52
South Africa 4.295 rands $0.64
UK 81.9 pence $1.45
U.S. $0.52 $0.52
($1=56.4334 pence)
($1=1.4423 Australian dollars)
($1=3.175 Brazilian Reais)
($1=0.8381 euros)
($1=45.23 Indian Rupees)
($1=8574 Iranian Rials)
($1=133.5 Nigerian Naira)
($1=28.997 roubles)
($1=6.755 rands)
GYPSYTDA 05-20-2004, 03:46 PM here is a gas history review:
http://www.ghg.net/stuart/gasprice/gasprice.html
per the chart 80 cents a gallon in 1979, and the amount we have now which is over $2.00 looking at inflation the $2.00 a gallon today would be valued at 60 cents in 1979... so with inflation you can see how horrible the gas crisis of the 1970's was, the rate of today would be closer to it being $3 today..
yes this is a hard thing to deal with.. but we have spent the last 2 decades with gas prices under $1.50 so this is a gasp.. but just think of what it would be like in the 1970's hopefully that prespective will lighten this a bit..
GYPSYTDA 05-20-2004, 03:49 PM oh and i am sorry if i am repeating myself, i am not sure if i posted this site or not...
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/states/index.shtml
on this site you can find the lowest price gas in your area.. you can also enter prices you find to help others too.. this is a great way to not be driving around for the lowest price.. great site!
napoleon_E 05-20-2004, 05:09 PM I was looking at that price comparison across the world.
after calculation, Iranians pay 34 cents a gallon on gas.
Hmm if gas was that cheap here, I would actually have enough money to buy food.....
a little sarcasism
GYPSYTDA 05-20-2004, 05:29 PM yes but if gas were that cheap this would be Iran,.. what would you prefer.. i would rather pay excessive gas prices and be in the USA any day!
so we need to start a food fund for napoleon it seems..
napoleon_E 05-20-2004, 06:08 PM Food Fund - Haha
Just a little sarcasism
I totally agree with you. I would so much rather pay more for gas than live in any other country other than USA
God Bless the USA!!
-American by birth, Patriot by choice
GYPSYTDA 05-20-2004, 06:39 PM [quote:f56ab4b5b2=" "]
-American by birth, Patriot by choice[/quote:f56ab4b5b2]
glad you like my sacrasm.. i have much to share.. smiles... 8)
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