I do not want to install fog lights, but I would like some kind of "fake" circular grills or some small round reflectors to fill up the holes in the bumper where the fog lights would go. Has anyone found anything of the correct size to use for this purpose?

I too dont care to have fog lights. I have found round amber marker lights and round stick-on reflectors that could be utilized. Still tryin to decide which.
Any other suggestions out there?

shaka 8)

You can go with the rockets that I suggested before, or maybe some giant Googley Eyes...I think im going to put something like eyes or a colored light in it.

I remember reading a thread a while back about someone using mirrors as a replacement for fog lights. i can't seem to find it now. does anyone know what im talking about?

Yeah, Dex, go to a auto store and find 2 and 1/2 inch convex mirrirs, the kind that fit on RVs to reduce the blind spot and stick 'em where the fog lights don't shine!! :)

Ger

Go to the search and type in "Fake Fogs" that is what the posted is titled which you speak of!

I did the mirror thing yesterday and it looks much better than nothing....not as good as fog lights but not to bad for $3.50
Jeff

thanks guys. looks great :D

[quote:8bda926050="venture"]I too dont care to have fog lights. I have found round amber marker lights and round stick-on reflectors that could be utilized. Still tryin to decide which.
Any other suggestions out there?

shaka 8)[/quote:8bda926050]

I also did not want fog lights but did not like the empty "holes" in the front of the car. Also, I did not want to stick on dome mirrors to give the "impression of fog lights". I went to Home Depot, found a set of screw on / stick on reflectors with a 3" diameter surface. I used the adhesive option, put them in and they look like the car came from the dealer that way! Really surprised at how a simple solution, turned out so nice.

http://www.z06vette.com/gallery/data/500/1073fake-fogs.jpg

here you go

and no one has even noticed !!!!
:D

I used 3.75 inch mirrors and had plenty of room to spare. If I could find 4 inch I'd get them to fill the space completely.

You know, if you get some 1/16 inch chrome or silver pinstripe tape, you can lay on grid pattern that would replicate glass lenses and make it look less like a mirror...

http://groups.msn.com/MyEPage/shoebox.msnw?Page=1

creative idea to use the reflectors in the fog light spot.. very cool idea!.. unique, and creative!

I assume the faux fogs are reflectors. Where did you find them? What size? I have looked everywhere locally and can only find clear.

[quote:fb7d0d659b="HEMan"]I assume the faux fogs are reflectors. Where did you find them? What size? I have looked everywhere locally and can only find clear.[/quote:fb7d0d659b]
Bought at Tractor Supply. approx 3"dia. Perfect Fit. $4 ea.

Excellent, and you used gutter guards to protect the ac condensor?

love the idea for the grill screen......i picked up what looks like the same material at home depot.....gave it a shot of black paint and stuck it in......not long after i bought my truck i was noticing the a/c conderser had taken a few hits form stones.

I installed some plastic gutter guard to protect the area in about 10 minutes. Got 20' of guard for $1.47 and used some black wire. It may not be fancy but it will stop that stone from costing me hundreds of $$. Unlike the chap at the top I put the guard behind the bumper and it was easy since its plastic I just stuck it in. Thanks for the ideas!

http://www.causatech.com/grille1.JPG
http://www.causatech.com/grille2.JPG
http://www.causatech.com/grille3.JPG
http://www.causatech.com/grille4.JPG

So can I assume that someone other than me is into some form of techno?? I hope so considering that the E is table friendly when it comes to transporting them to gigs..

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=457945&cat=5&val=1

Stillart - see I didn't flame you at this stage, the element was looking nice and I was a fan, but then a few things happened and I had to give some words of encouragement :D

Is it better to see, or be seen?

I bought my GGM EX 2WD from the dealer without the factory installed fog lights. Undecided on what after market brand and model of fog lights I wanted, I have a short term answer that is now in place.

I went to Pep Boys, and bought a pair of 3 inch amber reflectors, with self adhesive tape on back. I stuck these in the front bumper openings for the fog lights, and from a casual observer they look like the real thing. At night, they offer added safety from on coming cars, when making a left hand turn at an intersection. :P

I too used this as a short-term solution until I got real fogs (got accessoritis after receiveing my xmas bonus).

I used white though. See here: http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3920
http://members.rogers.com/kjcelement/images/fromgarage.jpg

You may also want to consider reflectors on the rear bumper. That way, cars with low projector-beam headlights will see you sooner.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/uploads/files/redrectref.jpg

Hi StillArt,
Can you tell me what you used to attach the reflectors (faux fog lights) in the hole on the element???? Did you flush them with the gray back panel or are they set more to the front of the hole???? Thanks so much for any info on this and the look great, BTW!!!!!

Welcome, I love your work and web site....
That is a old post, but I am sure they are peel and stick....

I used white 3-1/4 stick-on reflectors from McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com)...$1.66/pair, plus shipping. They were meant to be a temporary solution until I could get around to installing the real thing. But they look so good, I may never make the change...plus I've seen a couple of E's lately with busted fog lights.

http://hometown.aol.com/mh2ke/images/fakefog1.jpg

I just ordered myself a set of these. Looks like an interesting accessory.

Bald Eagle, is a "set" actually 2 reflectors? I thought it was odd that they sold them in pairs, so I ordered two sets. Doesn't cost much. If I end up with 4, I have 2 in case one comes off or breaks.

sorry.. that orange faux fog light is hid... as in hideous.

[quote:bbfad46c38=" "]I just ordered myself a set of these. Looks like an interesting accessory.

Bald Eagle, is a "set" actually 2 reflectors? I thought it was odd that they sold them in pairs, so I ordered two sets. Doesn't cost much. If I end up with 4, I have 2 in case one comes off or breaks.[/quote:bbfad46c38]

Yup, you get two of 'em for $1.66. McMaster is a pretty awesome resource.

Buy 2 fake concave mirrors at the autoparts store. Make sure you get the large ones. Use the 2 sided tape thats included, to stick them in the empty foglight holes ....


Looks great :)

Hehehe...

Hey, Rattlecage!

When I first saw a pic of your "E" those "flashy" fog lights were the first thing I noticed! ;) The only bad part about this mod is that you won't fool any Element owners!

Still, it looks MUCH better than the empty holes (which I still have at the moment)!

:)

LEGO

Amber reflectors of about the same size also look good in those holes.

paulj

Rattlecage, I did the same thing. Nobody confuses them for fog lights, but it looks better than the empty space. I also went with the Home Depot grill protector (less than 2 bucks). Now all I need is a fake bug deflector.

Anyone got a picture? I would be interested to see how it looks.

thanks

the Scion xA has Faux fog light hole covers that i BELIEVE fit the element fogs * Cannot confirm*

BUT they are chrome and give that fog effectttttttttt

if thats your cup of java

Anyone got a picture? I would be interested to see how it looks.
Here ya go,

http://www.elementownersclub.com/uploads/files/guttermod.jpg

Here's a thread with a couple more shots and some discussion about reflectors. I'm sort of leaning towards getting an assortment of cheapie reflectors and playing around with them a bit. I do like the white reflector in the thread.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8160

Looks like McMasterCarr is a good place for reflectors. Self-adhesive ones are less than $2/pair, and I'm considering getting white, amber, and red and playing around with them. If I hate them, then I'm out perhaps $10.

http://www.mcmaster.com/

Search for reflectors, and they are in the traffic reflectors section.

McMaster-Carr rules!

http://publish.hometown.aol.com/mh2ke/images/fakefog1.jpg

Jeez, just noticed how wimpy those tires look.

You probably want to stay away from red reflectors, which tend to be reserved for the rear of the car.

paulj

[quote:95f213736c=" "]You probably want to stay away from red reflectors, which tend to be reserved for the rear of the car.[/quote:95f213736c]

Specifically: by law. You can (and will) get pulled over for having red lights/reflectors on the front.

-brendan

[quote:5716a64346=" "][quote:5716a64346=" "]You probably want to stay away from red reflectors, which tend to be reserved for the rear of the car.[/quote:5716a64346]

Specifically: by law. You can (and will) get pulled over for having red lights/reflectors on the front.

-brendan[/quote:5716a64346]

Want to prevent yourself from getting pulled over??

Forget cookies... use DOUGHNUTS!!!

I thought about the legality of the red reflectors, and wondered if anyone would truly care (or if anyone would even notice). But I guess there are a few a-holes in law enforcement, just like anywhere else. I don't often carry cookies with me, but better safe than sorry. Brendan and Paul's advice saved me $1.67! Perhaps I'll splurge for an extra set of amber in case of rock chips.

LMN_OP:

Thanks for the pics. I have to admit that I really like the look of the
mirrors compared to the emptiness that I am currently seeing in those plastic cirles.

I know what I am doing tonight. Putting those on and a brand spanking
new Home Depot Grille.

Ghetto Stylee

[quote:ee7eb696b5=" "]Rattlecage, I did the same thing. Nobody confuses them for fog lights, but it looks better than the empty space. I also went with the Home Depot grill protector (less than 2 bucks). Now all I need is a fake bug deflector.[/quote:ee7eb696b5]

Hey, I am still back here on the fake bug deflector...How about some followup on THAT idea!? 8)

I think it would ROCK (pun intended) to install a shield where it will actually do some good. Does anybody remember the behemoth "luxury" vehicles of the late 70's / early 80's with the "Hide-Away" Wipers? If someone were to apply the same principle to the "E" and install a shield over the windshield wiper area then I believe that nearly 90% of rock strikes would be eliminated from Element windshields, since rock strikes predominantly hit the lower 1/3 of the windshield (Mine hit in the black area beneath the wiper blade).

Does anybody want to try this mod? If/When I get more energy I want to custom fabricate something to attach at this point (assuming that it won't interfere with the hood opening, that is). Suggestions? Pictures?

LEGO

"......and install a shield over the windshield wiper area...
(assuming that it won't interfere with the hood opening, that is)"

You could try it but one thing I've noticed is that if you lift the hood just a little more past the point of being able to use the support rod, then the back end of the hood (where the shield-mod would be at) will actually start pinching the wiper arms into the winshield. I'm sure a shield/wiper cover could be made but it'd probably be best to start designing it with the hood open instead of closed.
Get a generic flat panel bug shield, as typically seen on older pickups, and see if you can find a way for it to clip on like the front deflectors attach.
If the shield is too tall it will hit the glass or possibly block the washer jets.

[quote:8d4b0ce5ac=" "]Hey, I am still back here on the fake bug deflector...How about some followup on THAT idea!? 8)[/quote:8d4b0ce5ac]

Hey, so do y'all have a big problem with fake bugs up in your neck of the woods?

-brendan

Thanks Empire for the good tips! :)

Oh come one, lets get serious on this subject.... :lol:

I figured the fake bug deflector was going to be something akin to the Toredor in a bull fight distracting the bull. Somehow you fake out all those REAL bugs that are obviously trying to commit suicide by crossing a busy freeway at windshield level when all they would have to do is fly a couple of feet higher.

Of course if I was a bug, I might want to end it all pretty quick to move on through the circle of incarnations so I could own an Element before they stop making them. Which might also explain why the Element windshield SEEMS to have such a problem with bug splatters.

"bzzzzzzzz....WHOA!, check out THIS cool caSPLAT* "

[quote:563c447f4c=" "][quote:563c447f4c=" "]Hey, I am still back here on the fake bug deflector...How about some followup on THAT idea!? 8)[/quote:563c447f4c]

Hey, so do y'all have a big problem with fake bugs up in your neck of the woods?

-brendan[/quote:563c447f4c]

Wait a minute, dammit! It's not fake fog lights or fake bug deflectors, it's alternative fog lights and alternative bug deflectors.

Ain't nothin' fake about the Element.

Yeah, as long as there was all the talk about fake foglights and fake bug deflectors, I was wondering who was gonna address the fake fog and fake bugs. As long as we're faking people out, why not go for fake brake cooling intakes instead?

http://homepage.mac.com/hownowcb/Element/09.jpg

Seeing the shower-drain fillers above, makes me think in a whole different direction for the recesses.

Why "fake" stuff. Think outside of the box...

How about gargoyles peering out or something. something needs to go in there that goes with the fun element look, not just tries to look like a boring fog light.

or maybe that is my post surgery drugs speaking?.....
8)

Nope, not the post surgery drugs...do they make BIG googly eyes to put in there?

Cruise missle multiple target warheads might look nice. Kind of an update on James Bond's Astin Martin with machine guns behind the turn signal lights from "Goldfinger" days.

What you are looking for is a wiper cowl. Lund makes these although they do not offer one yet for the E. This may mean that space constraints do not allow for it or they just haven't gotten around to it. Anyways, here's a pick from their site of a truck with the wiper cowl.

http://www.lundlook.com/image_main/main_shadow.JPG

They do make some other nice products for the E, you can find them at:
http://www.lundlook.com/

The J

[quote:6091956407=" "]What you are looking for is a wiper cowl. Lund makes these although they do not offer one yet for the E. This may mean that space constraints do not allow for it or they just haven't gotten around to it. Anyways, here's a pick from their site of a truck with the wiper cowl.

http://www.lundlook.com/image_main/main_shadow.JPG

They do make some other nice products for the E, you can find them at:
http://www.lundlook.com/

The J[/quote:6091956407]

YESS!!! EXACTLY THAT!!!

I really believe the Element would benefit from THIS shield more than a mere bug deflector, since so many (including my 1st) rock strikes occur on the very bottom of the windshield glass. I wonder if I could retrofit from a different model (or better yet, if anybody else has successfully done this yet)? Very interesting! :)

LEGO

[quote=" "]Yeah, as long as there was all the talk about fake foglights and fake bug deflectors, I was wondering who was gonna address the fake fog and fake bugs. As long as we're faking people out, why not go for fake brake cooling intakes instead?

Hownowcb!!! Welcome back!! :D

I wonder if a bug zapper could be installed in the fog light holes? That would kill 2 birds with one stone! (provided that stone didn't hit the windshield first, of course!)

LEGO

[quote:983b1880b1=" "]Nope, not the post surgery drugs...do they make BIG googly eyes to put in there?[/quote:983b1880b1]

NOW the creativity is flowing! THAT is what I was talking about.
YES, we need the eyeballs on springs like you see in the novelty glasses, sized to fit the recesses with a spring tension balanced to pop out the eyeballs during a stop and then snap them back into place.

Now THAT would be coooooool. :shock:

[quote:6fc55f2411=" "]Rattlecage, I did the same thing. Nobody confuses them for fog lights, but it looks better than the empty space. I also went with the Home Depot grill protector (less than 2 bucks). Now all I need is a fake bug deflector.[/quote:6fc55f2411]

I'm wondering if this whole picture is fake. :lol:

-SS

Honu and Lego, I gotta love the googly eyes and the bug zapper concepts -- ala glowing orange toaster elements (pardon that pun!) in the holes - too cool (hot)!

This is what provoked my missle remark last night:

http://homepage.mac.com/hownowcb/Element/2004062704.jpg

I gotta find some of these!!

Now THAT is an AWESOME accessory! Might even get some of the tail gaters to back off from a car being followed by heat seaking missles.

I am thinking another variation might be a smaller version done with a windsock hanging off the Element antenna?

I wonder if its breaking any laws? Sure would be an eyecatcher.

As if I'd be someone to worry about the legality of it!!!!??? I'll just sit back and wait for Amy (lae10851) to comment on the legality of this mod in California (as if I'll ever show up in that state again anyway!) State of California, that is! :lol:

I Love It, Colin!

'Dem missles are a bit big to fit in the holes though. Have you considered a roof rack option instead?

As far as legality goes in CA, just show it to Arnold and I'm sure he'll "Terminate" that law! ;)

A six ounce can of tuna will fit nicely into those holes as well...I'm gonna get me some double sided tape and slap 'em in there. :?

Similar AIM-9 Sidewinder missile accessory for catamarans that Colin may appreciate...
http://www.west.net/~lpm/hobie/archives/v1-i2/humor.shtml

Re: http://www.west.net/~lpm/hobie/archives/v1-i2/humor.shtml
The area was heavily "infested" with personal water craft (PWC)..."
Heh! Wonder if Dan could mount one of those on a kayak? :wink:

8)

[quote:ee7eb696b5=" "]Rattlecage, I did the same thing. Nobody confuses them for fog lights, but it looks better than the empty space. I also went with the Home Depot grill protector (less than 2 bucks). Now all I need is a fake bug deflector.[/quote:ee7eb696b5]

Hey, I am still back here on the fake bug deflector...How about some followup on THAT idea!? 8)

And as we all know by now, there lies the schism of mistery.
In a comunity so united by such magnificent a force, as The E is,
we find two distinct populations drifting in tangential directions.
One rich in philosophical depth, exploring the spheres of energy that our bug brethren atempt to transend by immolating themselves in a personal glorious sacrifice, when they voluntarely hit the wall at full force, asking more from life, reaching out to touch eternity...and the other , like the enemies of Johnatan Livingston Seagul, blind to the beauties of The Endless, consumed in mundane chatter about a mere Real bug deflector!

Come on guys and gals, fake foglights make us look bad. One day one will fall off and people will laugh. Then they'll think E owners are posers. Just get the real thing. If I saw fake fogs on a car I would point it out to my friends and laugh at ya all the way to the next light.

IF your going to pose just put Hummer emblems on your car, or put TURBO or something.

Properly installed, reflectors occupy the 'empty eye sockets' in the bumper without calling attention to themselves. If you weren't looking for them, I doubt if you would notice mine any more than you would notice the other 4 amber corner reflectors.

paulj

...fake foglights....One day one will fall off and people will laugh.
As opposed to the "real" foglights that get blasted by a rock, are left dangling by the wiring, AND cost two-hundred and forty-two bucks (or more) to fix because you have to buy a pair to replace one?

I originally thought the reflectors were just a temporary installation until I got around to doing fog lights. Not any more. After a year of flawless operation through rain, sleet, snow, salt, -10 temperatures, baking summer heat and humidity...plus no wiring, no switch, no relay, no fuse, and no installation hassle...I'm sticking with my real $1.66 reflectors.

... AND cost two-hundred and forty-two bucks (or more) ...

or twenty-nine bucks for a pair of reallyreally nice real ones at your favorite wal-mart, as you know ...only thing left though is trying to figure out how to wire them :cool: and of course figure out how to sneak into Bald Eagle's garage to actually do the wiring :grin:

Buy 2 fake concave mirrors at the autoparts store. Make sure you get the large ones. Use the 2 sided tape thats included, to stick them in the empty foglight holes ....


Looks great :)
What do you think about removing these when I actually get foggies? Wait, was that a dumb question? :confused:

As opposed to the "real" foglights that get blasted by a rock, are left dangling by the wiring, AND cost two-hundred and forty-two bucks (or more) to fix because you have to buy a pair to replace one?

I originally thought the reflectors were just a temporary installation until I got around to doing fog lights. Not any more. After a year of flawless operation through rain, sleet, snow, salt, -10 temperatures, baking summer heat and humidity...plus no wiring, no switch, no relay, no fuse, and no installation hassle...I'm sticking with my real $1.66 reflectors.

3 hondas 3 pairs of oem fogs

zero cracks or falling out

Just spend the coin and do it right......
its a new car

As opposed to the "real" foglights that get blasted by a rock, are left dangling by the wiring, AND cost two-hundred and forty-two bucks (or more) to fix because you have to buy a pair to replace one?

I originally thought the reflectors were just a temporary installation until I got around to doing fog lights. Not any more. After a year of flawless operation through rain, sleet, snow, salt, -10 temperatures, baking summer heat and humidity...plus no wiring, no switch, no relay, no fuse, and no installation hassle...I'm sticking with my real $1.66 reflectors.


humm ..... OK :roll:

Why not just put a Barbie head in each hole and use double sided tape to hold it down?

Here's the fake foglights you all need...no wiring, and they are one candlepower each!!! So much light output should be illegal!
http://www.geocities.com/genomindustries/candlepower.jpg

Here's the fake foglights you all need...no wiring, and they are one candlepower each!!! So much light output should be illegal!
Please post wiring diagram.

Please post wiring diagram.

What...the diagram of the bad wiring in my head that makes me post such nonsense?

Please post wiring diagram.

Wiring diagrams can be found or downloaded at Yankee Candles at your local mall. Their technicians are ready to assist if you can stand more than 60 secs in the store from the overwhelming stank of 2,000 candle flavors mixed into a 20 x 20 store. :grin:

I decided to go the amber reflector route, only because I couldn't find the white at the local hardware stores and couldn't keep the candles lit. (How do you guys do that?) Anyway, it's better than explaining those empty holes and I seldom need fog lights.

Went to the dealer last week for 5000 mile oil change, and some dude who worked there was walking around the E, looked a bit puzzled that their cheesy plate holders and decal had been removed and these silly reflectors and EOC decal were on. LIFES GREAT IN AN E!

Just save up a little dough and get the OEM's.......besides you can actually use them if you have to..... :) :grin: :) :grin: :)

Just save up a little dough and get the OEM's.......besides you can actually use them if you have to..... :) :grin: :) :grin: :)

Went out to the money tree in the back yard, shook it, $10 fell down, wife wanted $5, bought $3 worth of reflectors!

I decided to go the amber reflector route, only because I couldn't find the white at the local hardware stores...
Hard to find at the hardware store, but still available at http://www.mcmaster.com/ Item #5953T24, Color: white, price is up to $1.86 for two (plus shipping).

I got 2 blind spot mirrors from Target for $6 also, look OK. But my wife approve it for well money spent.

Amber reflectors...$2 each at Pep Boys.

I installed the 3-3/4" clear mirrors at $1.99 each. They look great. :)

I just ordered clear & amber from McMaster... I have a feeling the S&H may cost more than the reflectors :grin:

It will, 4.00

Being a big spender, I got two sets of white reflectors, that way the shipping and the product will be neck and neck for most expensive.

Thanks for the link and part number for McMaster

Ok, looks like we've got pics of the mirrors, and the amber (orange) reflectors up front. Anyone have some pics of the white ones? This definitely looks like a nice "mod" to do until/if I decided to get fogs.

May I suggest using velcro to apply the fake fogs. I use the velcro supplied with EZ-Pass (those of you in the Tri-State/Northeast area know what I mean). Stronger than conventional velcro....and free!!!

Go to www.ezpass.com - If you're not a tag holder, you might be able to get the velcro strips through the "contact us" menu option. Good luck!

Anyway, it's easier to clean them when they're removable.

we should find some big Wiggle Eye stickers instead of reflectors...At least its better to have fake eyes than fake foglights!!!

Ummm......no.

:)

Ok, looks like we've got pics of the mirrors, and the amber (orange) reflectors up front. Anyone have some pics of the white ones? This definitely looks like a nice "mod" to do until/if I decided to get fogs.
Still just as bright almost two years later.

http://publish.hometown.aol.com/mh2ke/images/fakefog1.jpg

Has anyone had any problems with the po-po with the reflectors or mirrors up front? What are they, about 3" or so?

i'm having some trouble locating white reflectors...that website that was posted earlier seems to be down...

i'm having some trouble locating white reflectors...that website that was posted earlier seems to be down...
Go to http://www.mcmaster.com/ , do a search on 5953T24, then scroll down the page. 3-1/4" diameter, still only $1.86/pair.

I just stuck on my reflectors today...here are the pics.

Looks kinda funny, but I think I prefer it over the "empty" hole look.

you can find those white reflectors on the side of every highway....bring a screwdriver and they're free.. :lol:

Darn the ease of search, click, order for low low prices! :-D Just ordered a set of white and a set of amber.

Go to http://www.mcmaster.com/ , do a search on 5953T24, then scroll down the page. 3-1/4" diameter, still only $1.86/pair.

What REALLY struck me on Maximo's Element is that it doesn't have a grill guard over the AC condensor rock scoop. Which is different than about 99% of the photos in this forum. (myself included).

I would think it would be a better investment to use the fake fog light cash and dump it into a Home Depot Grill Guard. :)

Well, just popped the white reflectors on there. Time to go find some fake fog to clear away!

HAHAHA. :lol:

I'm going to look for some fake fog too...but before I do that, I need to install my fake switch!

HAHAHA. :lol:

I'm going to look for some fake fog too...but before I do that, I need to install my fake switch!
NO! NO! NO! They're wireless! If you bought the switch, you've been duped. By the way, they cut through fake fog like a fake laser.

Here are a couple of pics of my newly installed fake fogs. Didn't see any reason to get the real thing.....I live in NJ....we don't get fog! :roll:

I used 3M velcro to attach the mirror fogs - the type we use to attach EZ-Pass. That way, they can easily be removed and cleaned, etc.

i just went the 3 3/4" convex mirror route...$1.96 for both...my kinda mod:)

Looks nice, I debated between those and the reflectors, got the reflectors for now.

Those look like aftermarket rims/tires - whatcha got on there?

Thank you for the link to McMaster. I have two sets of white relectors, one installed, the other set in case one of the originals burns out! It sure looks better with the reflector than the old blank holes.

I haven't seen an E coming with reflectors comping toward me at night, but the the reflectors can't hurt for visibility.

Holy Moly this was a funny thread! Well I have been posting tons on my reflector escapades and it got me reflecting....badoombom....why not do this white reflector mod myself? I'm saving my pennies up for a set of Nokian Tires and HIDS for the winter so, unfortunately fogs are next in line after those. I used 3M Diamond Grade White that I got off Ebay from a user named wowgreatdeals $2.49 for a 4x9 inch sheet, and used a Pam can to mark the circle with a dry erase marker.
After cutting them out I had half a sheet left. I alcohol wiped the cupholder/fog light area and after it dried put them in. Just to be different I put a small 4mm blue dot in the center.

Here is a snapshot of them tonight

Also, a great diy is here:
http://www.hondaelement.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2003&highlight=fake+fogs

Pretty nifty alternaive idea! Looks like any owner now has (4) different options:

(1) Regular round reflectors
(2) Parabolic mirrors
(3) Retroreflective decal material
(4) And, oh yeah, actual fog lights! :-D

I did this mod about 2 months ago and now the mirrors are all icky looking. They look horrible. Its not so cheap if you have to change em out every 2-3 months.

B

"Cruise missle multiple target warheads might look nice. Kind of an update on James Bond's Astin Martin with machine guns behind the turn signal lights from "Goldfinger" days."

You guys just gave me a loony idea. As an artist/sculptor, I think I'm going to work on developing a series of Element appropriate additions for those cavernous fog light openings... like missile heads, gator arms, er, OK whatever. You could even have seasonal switch outs (giant christmas bulbs, easter eggs, etc.).

I might have to stop by the molding/casting supply store this weekend.

If I can make a decent product, I'll let ya know.

How goofy.

"Cruise missle multiple target warheads might look nice. Kind of an update on James Bond's Astin Martin with machine guns behind the turn signal lights from "Goldfinger" days."

You guys just gave me a loony idea. As an artist/sculptor, I think I'm going to work on developing a series of Element appropriate additions for those cavernous fog light openings... like missile heads, gator arms, er, OK whatever. You could even have seasonal switch outs (giant christmas bulbs, easter eggs, etc.).

I might have to stop by the molding/casting supply store this weekend.

If I can make a decent product, I'll let ya know.

How goofy.

I keep contemplating sculpting some gargoyles for the fog light openings. One of these days I will actually get around to doing that. I think it would look cooool.

Ok I think we all can agree that the E looks unfinished without anything in the foglight area. I think we can also agree that Honda prices for them are RIDICULOUS!
I've think that the stock headlights are pretty decent and I am thinking of adding lights to the "bull bar" (not yet installed in below pics due to 2 weeks of rain here)

So I bought 2 "beehive" led lights from autozone for 8 bucks a pop and 2 rings used for guages to dress them up....wired it to the parking lights (coulda also done as turn signals)...and the E actually looks more finished and kinda MEAN when lit at night!

Not the best pics but you get the picture I think!

I think that actually looks good, though I would prefer fogs there. This is a good and cheap alternative though. Good job. Maybe hit us up with a tutorial on the installation?

Thanks Joe,
It did seem alot easier than adding the fogs with relay, etc.
The best part is there is no need to make a bracket like with some aftermarket fogs. All I did was drill a hole big enough for the wiring. So you really dont even have to take off that front bumper (although its getting to be routine at this point)

I then just threaded each wire up to the wiring at each headlight and tap into the parking light power there(grounding wire to frame). I did use GM weatherpack connectors so that in the future the wiring disconnects so that the bumper can come off...but not really necessary if you dont anticipate taking off the bumper in future.

The lights were just RTV'd in place as was the trim ring about 2000 miles ago with no problems.

I will suggest if you want to go a super cheap route, to pick up some tractor lights from Napa. They are $13 bucks a pop as of last week and would look more like foggies.

Take a look-see at this thread, Empire has some good advice on doing this. Otherwise, congrats for being innovative.

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17379&highlight=tractor+lights

That looks completely bad@$$! I'd love to see a night pic if you don't mind.

That looks completely bad@$$! I'd love to see a night pic if you don't mind.

Ditto. Show us the MEAN.

Taking pics at night really is tough!


The wife wanted to add lights in center so it would "smile" but I think it looks more like an angry Samurai Warrior this way...I'm thinking of putting a plate with big teeth as the plate to make it look mean once i find the right one. You know, like the DEATHMOBILE from animal house!
I also thought about backlighting the lower grill...if I could find a replacement grill that looks like a 50's Vette that would be cool...but not holding my breath ;-)

That looks better than I thought it would.

Pretty snazzy, not what I expected .... good job, thanks for the pics ;-)

Wow! That does look pretty unique! And with halloween around the corner, it must be great! Nothing like a lot of orange lights.

I just added the mirrors, until I get around to the actual lights, but I have a couple of questions:

1. Is this legal - do they reflect the headlights of oncoming cars back at them, or are they too low?

2. I could only find 3.75" mirrors - any good sources for 4" mirrors?

thanks.
mb

I Just put in my billet grill.

Hmmmm....... Billet fog light hole covers. :grin:

Naw it is toooo much billet. Just leaving mine blank. For now....

I just did this. it gave my E the attitude it deserves without spending no more than you would spend on a drink at a resteraunt. Will Post some of my pics tommorry.

I put two round mirrors down there, for $3.00.... Look like lights and fill the holes...

I put two round mirrors down there, for $3.00.... Look like lights and fill the holes...

That's Cool.....

I like the price...

How about a Picture????

Ron D

OK..here it is with the mirrors,

That's cool and they won't run up the electric bill.....LOL

Nice..

My Nephew is freshman this year at OSU....

Ron D

I love this mod. I went with the smaller mirrors though.
$0.97 each at Wal mart in the auto section

I went with orange reflectors on mine. I think it gives the E a more finished look than the empty holes and it only cost me $4 for the two reflectors from Pep Boys.

I went with orange reflectors on mine. I think it gives the E a more finished look than the empty holes and it only cost me $4 for the two reflectors from Pep Boys.

Nice! I might just have to swing by my local Manny, Moe and Jack's and see if they have any...

- Jeff

Good luck. If they are out, most auto accessory places carry them. Post some pics after you install.

I put smaller ones in mine. I thought the Pep Girls version was too amber, drew too much attention and I found some at a $1 store. Actually it was a pkg of 2 amber, 2 red for $1. I guess that means I did it for 50 cents. I liked the idea of having two more for safety, though.

I like the small amber effect. But I like them to be self lighting, so I went with the LED amber "fog lights" for effect. Total cost was about $12 or so. And the effect is even more effective in person. I like the triangle each light forms within the lens and it really pops out a nice distinctive "signature" for the front end of the Element at night.

But at the moment, as far as I know, its also my UNIQUE mod, which is sorta fun too and friends can easily spot if its my Element.

I went with orange reflectors on mine. I think it gives the E a more finished look than the empty holes and it only cost me $4 for the two reflectors from Pep Boys.

Ditto. These pics were taken with and without the flash (see also Page 8 of my website if the pics disappear from this post):

Maybe I missed but how is everybody keeping there mirrors or reflectors on. I got some mirrors and used the double stick tape that came with and they fell off after like a 5 mile trip. I'm glad I got tem for a buck a peice but I liked how it looked so any help on keeping them on there anybody else have the stuff fall off???

Maybe I missed but how is everybody keeping there mirrors or reflectors on. I got some mirrors and used the double stick tape that came with and they fell off after like a 5 mile trip. I'm glad I got tem for a buck a peice but I liked how it looked so any help on keeping them on there anybody else have the stuff fall off???
Maybe that's why they were a buck a piece! The ones that I got at McMaster-Carr have held up for 2+ years using the double-sided tape...although in all honesty I expected them to fall off. Try sticking them back on with silicone sealant.

Try sticking them back on with silicone sealant.


Silicone Sealant? how easy will that be to remove if I want to take the mirror off?

I was in one of those cheepo dollar places and had a brainstorm. Well okay, maybe more of a light drizzle. You be the judge.

They have some mesh type foglight covers like you often see over the real deal. At a buck apiece, you could pretty well camouflage your faux foglights (fauxglights?) and protect them from scratches at the same time. Makes me tempted to take off my little amber ones. Will have to see if they the craters well or not. Could be an upgrade to...8 dollar fake foglights. :shock:

Silicone Sealant? how easy will that be to remove if I want to take the mirror off?
If the surface you stick them to is clean and free of anything like 303 Protectant the silcone will stick pretty well. How easy it is to remove the reflectors also depends on how much silicone you use. You can get the silicone off with some effort...picking and peeling and using one of those plastic kitchen scrubby things.

I was in one of those cheepo dollar places and had a brainstorm. Well okay, maybe more of a light drizzle. You be the judge.

They have some mesh type foglight covers like you often see over the real deal. At a buck apiece, you could pretty well camouflage your faux foglights (fauxglights?) and protect them from scratches at the same time. Makes me tempted to take off my little amber ones. Will have to see if they the craters well or not. Could be an upgrade to...8 dollar fake foglights. :shock:

Make sure you post pics of this if you do it. Would really like to see it.

Ken

I double checked...they're six inch covers, too big for the openings. Ripping shame, too: they were 2 for $.99.

I searched around a bit on line. I have only found 5 inch fogs and larger. It looks like you'd need four-inch to fit in there. Also, I'm not sure about those inner contours; not sure how concave/convex the grille would have to be. Finally, I'm not sure how you would attach them. But I'm going to keep my eyes open and if I find something that would work, I may have to give it a try. I think they'd look cool.

Maybe I missed but how is everybody keeping there mirrors or reflectors on...

I waited 'til it was warm outside - about 60 degrees and sunny - and cleaned the mounting surface thoroughly with an alcohol pad. No problems yet! :)

I also went with the orange reflectors


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For future reference if anyone in Michigan reads this thread; here are places you cannot buy amber reflectors...lol

-Advance Auto Parts

-Murray's Auto Parts

-Discount Auto Parts

-Meijer

Everyone had 3" red reflectors, but no one had ever even seen the 3" amber. I give up. I'll just have to find them online I suppose.

...Everyone had 3" red reflectors, but no one had ever even seen the 3" amber. I give up. I'll just have to find them online I suppose.

http://www.mcmaster.com/index.asp Part number 5953T18, red, amber or white with adhesive backing, 2/$1.86. McMaster-Carr is a great company.

Try hardware outlets. Ace, Tru-Value, Home Depot, Lowes; you’ll have better luck.
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Hey, Gladestrider...

I got mine at PepBoys. Is this near you?

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Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I was going to run by Lowes and Home Depot (conveniently located directly across the street from one another on both sides of town) but after 4 stops I was tired of looking.

We used to have a Pep-Boys, but it didn't last. There's big competion for auto parts stores in a GM town.

Noticed while washing the E today that one of the McMaster-Carr reflectors that I've bragged about multiple times on this thread was loose. After almost three years the double faced foam backing had started to dry out. Fortunately I bought two sets initially...and remembered where the extra one was.

Bottom line: Buy an extra set (or two) if this is what you have in mind for alternative fog lights. By the way, the price is up to $2.19/pair.

1843

Noticed while washing the E today that one of the McMaster-Carr reflectors that I've bragged about multiple times on this thread was loose. After almost three years the double faced foam backing had started to dry out. Fortunately I bought two sets initially...and remembered where the extra one was.

Bottom line: Buy an extra set (or two) if this is what you have in mind for alternative fog lights. By the way, the price is up to $2.19/pair.

1843

or just buy a roll of double sticky foam tape?

Nawwwww.....The extra reflectors are probably cheaper.....never mind.....

Noticed while washing the E today that one of the McMaster-Carr reflectors that I've bragged about multiple times on this thread was loose. After almost three years the double faced foam backing had started to dry out...

Thanks for the tip!

Mine has been on my "E" for several months now. No problems. But I do also have an extra set just in case! :)

Ken

I picked up a set of amber lenses at carquest when i was in the states this spring.....Thinking back for the price of a wopping $1.97 i should have bought a few sets.These ones even had a small hole in the center for a screw.These arent coming off any time soon.

I picked up a set of amber lenses at carquest when i was in the states this spring.....Thinking back for the price of a wopping $1.97 i should have bought a few sets.These ones even had a small hole in the center for a screw.These arent coming off any time soon.

Oooooo... I have a drill.......

Oooooo... I have a drill.......




No one has pointed out the screws yet...then again no one seems to notice the extra lenses....which must be a good thing....they dont stick out like a sore thumb.

Add me to the $4 foglight club :)

http://www.supratrucks.com/PICTURES/Element/Element%20010.jpg

Too me the spots where the factory fog lights go looked like it was missing something and i wasnt about to take a hole saw to my front bumper again to install lights.I still plan on installing fog lights....but this time they will be going in the lower grill opening.

I used stick on mirrors...untill Trevor had the "foglight special.":D

...hmmmm with all this low-cost hi-tek foglights and fake bug shields and lasers and such, and that someone opted for cruise missle launch tubes in the ole foglight hole, it got me ta thinkin....

...and the sun angle was just right, and after watching an episode of Deep Space Nine where the USS Defiant starship is kickin' big butt for sucha a little ship....

i give you my offering....a quantum Torpedo launcher with a quantum warhead being discharged from the double mirrored foglight recessed area and Voilia! a meanacing alien threat to the neighborhood eliminated today!:rolleyes:

...hmmmm with all this low-cost hi-tek foglights and fake bug shields and lasers and such, and that someone opted for cruise missle launch tubes in the ole foglight hole, it got me ta thinkin....

...and the sun angle was just right, and after watching an episode of Deep Space Nine where the USS Defiant starship is kickin' big butt for sucha a little ship....

i give you my offering....a quantum Torpedo launcher with a quantum warhead being discharged from the double mirrored foglight recessed area and Voilia! a meanacing alien threat to the neighborhood eliminated today!:rolleyes:


I installed a torpedo launcher. I forgot the Element isn't sea worthy. So I need to upgrade to Proton torpedos! :-P

I installed a torpedo launcher. I forgot the Element isn't sea worthy. So I need to upgrade to Proton torpedos! :-P

You might consider the Mk 41 vertical launch missile system mod. Although not as effective as the Photon Torpedo system, it's much easier to get parts. ;-)



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You might consider the Mk 41 vertical launch missile system mod. Although not as effective as the Photon Torpedo system, it's much easier to get parts. ;-)



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That's cool, but may be a rail gun instead! :rolleyes: Got to fend off pirates in open space!

just so were all clear the mirrors on the first element are deffinately convex not concave not to be weird lol im just saying

I just realized my amber reflectors have been on over two years and still look like factory originals.:D

Too bad the SC'ers here can't share this classic mod.:rolleyes:

I'm so disappointed in you now IRV! Even I upgraded my plain black PVC shower drains with stainless steel ones after three years! (The diagonal pattern at least now corresponds with the diagonal upper grill pattern, and is shiny silver, like the headlights surrounds.) :razz: :rolleyes:

Too bad the SC'ers here can't share this classic mod.:rolleyes:

justice finally

I'm so disappointed in you now IRV! Even I upgraded my plain black PVC shower drains with stainless steel ones after three years! (The diagonal pattern at least now corresponds with the diagonal upper grill pattern, and is shiny silver, like the headlights surrounds.) :razz: :rolleyes:Too funny. I thought about putting plastic fruit, or baseballs, or something else silly in there. I think I'll end up putting something shiny on the back of a fluorescent light diffuser and sticking that in there.

Buy 2 fake concave mirrors at the autoparts store. Make sure you get the large ones. Use the 2 sided tape thats included, to stick them in the empty foglight holes ....


Looks great :)i dont know if avyone else said this.. but dont you mean convex?

i dont know if avyone else said this.. but dont you mean convex?


Rattlecage may not answer you...he hasn't been here since 2005.........

[quote:5716a64346=" "][quote:5716a64346=" "]You probably want to stay away from red reflectors, which tend to be reserved for the rear of the car.[/quote:5716a64346]

Specifically: by law. You can (and will) get pulled over for having red lights/reflectors on the front.

-brendan[/quote:5716a64346]

Want to prevent yourself from getting pulled over??

Forget cookies... use DOUGHNUTS!!!

A dougnut dispenser would be better...
OK so you get pulled over. You press the D button on your dash and out comes a bear claw. the officer gives you a warning and drives away.!

Works almost as good is poping off to the store real fast for a couple items and not taking the time to put on a bra...

thats :lol: they probably work as well as real foglights which do diddley squat:D
Oh and I did the same with my front plate cover based on the picture you have there. Sept I put- BR549
which will soon be my plate numbers

i'm 2 second away from clicking the order comfirm. thanks for the link to McMaster

thats :lol: they probably work as well as real foglights which do diddley squat:D

The factory fogs actually fill in a large hole in the factory lighting. They also extend more light to the periphery which is nice as well.

fill in a hole is actually all they do:lol:

I take it you've never been in an Element with fogs before?

not an E but I've owned fog lights, I've driven with fog lights they do diddily squat! I drive for a living and I laugh when I see people driving around town with their foglights on with their headlights:lol:

I owned a Honda Civic SiR with foglights, sold that and bought an Accord without fog lights. When I bought my Element, fogs were a must have. There is no comparison. Fogs should be as mandatory as daytime running lights.

oh and may I add, factory fog lights. I'm not talking about Canadian Tire garbage fogs.

Fogs should be as mandatory as daytime running lights.

I dont know about anyone else here.....but i disagree....just adds money to the cost of a vehicle for a feature i dont need.

I dont know about anyone else here.....but i disagree....just adds money to the cost of a vehicle for a feature i dont need.

A few hundred dollars in the price of a vehicle that costs tens of thousands. Well worth it.

most people don't even know how to use them properly and in many places they are illegal to have them on unless its foggy:D this probably describes your driving habits :lol: http://www.garageboy.com/fahrt/fog.html

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unless theres something wrong with your headlights that"hole" should have been
illuminated by them before your " fabulous"fog lights illuminated the same space.:D

Ok, I'm beginning to wonder if you've even driven a car before http://smiliesftw.com/x/bowroflarms.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

Looks like we have a difference of opinion here. Please don't kill the thread over it.

Looks like we have a difference of opinion here. Please don't kill the thread over it.

Good point Bald Eagle....this thread is about fake fogs.....not the effectiveness of real fogs.....

Has anyone considered '57 Chevy bumper bullets? They were cool.....

I collect my paycheck sitting behind the wheel, what kind of "soft"ware do you are have you ever developed ....... did you ever get your new wheels:confused: :lol:

I'm actually going in to Honda tomorrow to get them to fix the TPMS sensors on my new wheels :grin:

Has anyone considered '57 Chevy bumper bullets? They were cool.....


GREAT idea!
And a LEGITIMATE addition to this "FAKE fogs" thread.
Where can we get some, and will they fit?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I am still liking my amber LED's fake fog lights. They are somewhat the bullet shape and are a wonderful parody of "fog lights".
Plus when running my "fogs" with the amber running lights, it looks like I have exclamation points on the front of my Element.

Try a company called Danchuk, they make tons of reproduction '57 Chevy parts. Cadillac ones are even bigger. Desotos used to have grilles with rows of big chrome teeth - the next frontier for lower grille protection?

Try a company called Danchuk, they make tons of reproduction '57 Chevy parts. Cadillac ones are even bigger. Desotos used to have grilles with rows of big chrome teeth - the next frontier for lower grille protection?

And I wonder if they make the "baby moons" hubcaps of that same era to fit the steel wheels of the Element to go with the chrome front. That could be a cool look combined with the smooth sides of the Element!

Hehehe...

Hey, Rattlecage!

When I first saw a pic of your "E" those "flashy" fog lights were the first thing I noticed! ;) The only bad part about this mod is that you won't fool any Element owners!

Still, it looks MUCH better than the empty holes (which I still have at the moment)!

:)

LEGO
The convex mirror fog light fake was my second mod to my new E. The first was a set of ventshades. I am going to replace the mirrors with amber reflectors - when the mirrors get crappy looking.

You are right about not fooling any Element owners- but a least it looks more finished than those horrible blank holes.

I bought the clear reflectors from mcmaster and put them on, they barely stick, one fell off when I was backing out of my driveway. Think I need some glue.

I bought the clear reflectors from mcmaster and put them on, they barely stick, one fell off when I was backing out of my driveway. Think I need some glue.


I found some amber reflectors at autozone that had a hole in the center....perfect for running a small screw into the bumper to hold them on.

And I wonder if they make the "baby moons" hubcaps of that same era to fit the steel wheels of the Element to go with the chrome front. That could be a cool look combined with the smooth sides of the Element!

ITs been done. See post #7 for the pics.
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21579&highlight=mooneyes

"Installed" a pair of Faux Fog Lights last night.

Regards,

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...you know, the hole DOES need filled, somehow, I'll admit...but, ultimately, I'm old, and I'm almost positive I'd need some real light out to the sides to illuminate my feable wanderings.

I received a written warning from a Virginia State Trooper for having mirrors in the foglight hole area. In fact, the trooper had me remove them on the spot. Fortunately they pull right off. It seems that having mirrors facing oncoming traffic is against Virginia statutes.

I have since replaced them with OEM foglights. Easy to install.

"Be careful out there."

Bob

That is funny, as I have never had any problems with my mirrors down there. Maybe Virginia is alot stricter than PA.

I received a written warning from a Virginia State Trooper for having mirrors in the foglight hole area. In fact, the trooper had me remove them on the spot. It seems that having mirrors facing oncoming traffic is against Virginia statutes. Bob

Guess you have to call that trouper up and tell him to pull over EVERY 08 Hyundai Entourage on the street, then... see pics.

Yep, those are mirror reflectors on a new car from the factory. And it's an AVIS rental car to boot!

I "Might" look into Those for now!

Being a new E owner I really appreciate the Forum. I can usually find the answer to my questions based on other peoples comments/solutions.

The latest is my new 'amber' reflectors installed in my foglight holes. They look great. I rejected the mirrors and red reflectors based on Forum comments.

Thank you Forum contributors.

BRH

Being a new E owner I really appreciate the Forum. I can usually find the answer to my questions based on other peoples comments/solutions.

The latest is my new 'amber' reflectors installed in my foglight holes. They look great. I rejected the mirrors and red reflectors based on Forum comments.

Thank you Forum contributors.

BRH

Ah, a person with a gifted artistic eye!!!

Welcome to the EOC.:smile:

Now watch out for the "SHOW US A PICTURE" crowd. Bunch of voyeurs who could never understand radio and can't imagine the beauty of the delightful triangle formed by the Amber parking light, the amber fake fog light and the amber side marker. Tis a thing of beauty.:lol:

Have you seen my solution:

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39130

Ahem. Those are not FAKE foglights. They are "low carbon impact foglight alternatives". Just for the record, foglights are really nothing more than expensive fake reflectors.

Why would you want to light up fog anyway? Welcome to the club and excellent choice of color.:-D

Why would you want to light up fog anyway? Welcome to the club and excellent choice of color.:-D

evidently you've never heard of a light fog??? :rolleyes:

evidently you've never heard of a light fog??? :rolleyes:
Ba dum tss!:lol:

Those "reflector fog lights" have the added benefit of saving electricity, less drain on your battery.

* because they don't work *

Does anyone know of any problems with the legality of Blue reflectors? I think they would look cool....:cool:

sound like a great idea until you flash another driver with the mirror and he crashes into your ele adding 17k to your 6 dollar lights be careful with that

I saw a great bumper sticker to go with this mod:
Driver carries no cash.... He's married
:lol: J/K It don't look that bad :rolleyes:

Does anyone know of any problems with the legality of Blue reflectors? I think they would look cool....:cool:

NOT ALLOWED

I'm sort of leaning towards getting an assortment of cheapie reflectors and playing around with them a bit.

I like the mirror effect and you have the option to change on a whim. Like the flavor of the day/week. GO for it.

sound like a great idea until you flash another driver with the mirror and he crashes into your ele adding 17k to your 6 dollar lights be careful with that

I'm pretty sure that by the optical physics of the convex lens you cannot have a direct, back-in-your-eyes flash unless eyes AND lights are lined up parallel with the perpendicular to the chord of the convex surface. It probably would have to be a light remote to vehicle of 'blinded driver' aimed at fog light/mirror from angle below the horizontal plane of mirror equal to that formed between plane of mirror and plane of 'blinded driver's eyes'. IMHO:confused:

Does anyone know of any problems with the legality of Blue reflectors? I think they would look cool....:cool:

Could try white/clear or amber Hy-Ko reflectors. Would be like corner marker lights/turn signal colors and in nearly same position.:-P

I found some amber reflectors at autozone that had a hole in the center....perfect for running a small screw into the bumper to hold them on.

I was going down the road of using silicone caulk ring on back side before application to increase mating surface of rounded black plastic and flat reflector plastic. But I like better the screw in the center of these Hy-Ko reflectors. I'd ream out the metal ferrule for the short nail included in reflector package and drill hole to right diameter for the screw you want to use.

Works almost as good is poping off to the store real fast for a couple items and not taking the time to put on a bra...

Talking about 'blinded' by the [head]lights while we were talking about the foglights. Are these braless headlights making us foggy headed?:rolleyes:

I just put some fake fog's today they didn't have any clear one's so I went with the Amber instead...

So, I've seen some interesting mods on here for that little area where fog lights supposedly go. The amber reflectors were especially nice, imo, but I'm wondering if anyone has tried anything really out there?
For example, I'm trying to replicate the blaster tips of an X-Wing to sit in those wells, protruding just slightly, giving the impression that my "E-Wing" is ready for an intergalactic space fight at any moment!
What are some other cool mods that you've thought about or even employed?

frowny face decals

http://bostonist.com/attachments/kmacjp/frowny-face_150.jpg

sylvania dot-it's

perfect fit.
made of metal

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I had part of a dead rabbit in my left fog hole last year, does that count?
I did not put it there on purpose though. Most of it was stuck to the AC condenser.:sad:

I'm trying to replicate the blaster tips of an X-Wing to sit in those wells, protruding just slightly, giving the impression that my "E-Wing" is ready for an intergalactic space fight at any moment!

I haven't seen anything too crazy but I definitely want to see that. That would be seriously amazing!

Hey guys, I've had this idea for a long time (since the 2nd day I had the car) and have been watching this thread for a long time. But reflectors and mirrors just aren't my style, so I finally found the solution for me......some Punisher stickers! What do you think?

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Closer shot......
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I actually thought they would be hard to see......but they stand out quite nicely! Fog lights, shmog lights! Not like I would ever use them anyway!

I bought the clear reflectors from mcmaster and put them on, they barely stick, one fell off when I was backing out of my driveway. Think I need some glue.

That's odd.:confused:

I've had the Amber Reflector Stick-On Fake Foglights for three years in Northern Illinois weather. They've never failed me yet.:D

I guess these would look odd on an SC :rolleyes:

I love the punisher stickers, I wonder if I could do that with some autobot reflective stickers? Hummmm.... we will have to find out!! :)

May I suggest using velcro to apply the fake fogs. I use the velcro supplied with EZ-Pass (those of you in the Tri-State/Northeast area know what I mean). Stronger than conventional velcro....and free!!!

Go to www.ezpass.com - If you're not a tag holder, you might be able to get the velcro strips through the "contact us" menu option. Good luck!

Anyway, it's easier to clean them when they're removable.

I know this is an old post, but the thread is still current, and I never saw anyone reply to this.

I'd imagine that most people know this, but you can buy this stuff at Radio Shack, probably Wal-Mart. I think RS calls it Superlock fasterners, but it's been several years since I've bought it so I might be wrong. It's not Velcro at all, it is basically nubs on the end of rigid plastic posts spaced close enough together so they interlock with identical pieces on the adjoining piece, to lock together. Both sides are identical, so you don't need to pay attention to which piece you put where, like you might with Velcro. In applications where you can use these, they are excellent. Many times, they hold too strong. You will pull the adhesive loose before the two pieces separate, in other words. I guess in that case, you might as well have just used good 3M double sided tape, huh?

Here is my first mod, and I have pics to prove it. And mine only cost me $3! Way to go Wal-mart!

Good job Kido!
You must take after the smart one in the family:D

Oh by the way, I may steal your sig pic:rolleyes:

BACK OFF! Your as bad as the zombies!

I love the punisher stickers, I wonder if I could do that with some autobot reflective stickers? Hummmm.... we will have to find out!! :)

Ditto! on the coolness of the concept. Wonder what other possibilities are out there along these lines?......
Although I still really like my amber LED's that make exclamation points out of the parking lights.

Ooo! I almost did the yin/yang fog lights, but opted for peace lights instead, considering the times. Also note the Home Depot lower grill.:D

Ooo! I almost did the yin/yang fog lights, but opted for peace lights instead, considering the times. Also note the Home Depot lower grill.:D
Looks good! Maybe I started the "sticker fog lights" revolution! But yes, I'm down the peace signs for sure!
I just had to go with the Punisher stickers based purely on my geekiness!

I just had to go with the Punisher stickers based purely on my geekiness!

Oh, yeah, baby! Go with the geek-flow!:D Who's next?

Here's amber stick on reflectors from Pep Boys

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Here's amber stick on reflectors from Pep Boys

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Goes nice with the Tango Red Pearl. You won't have any problem finding your E in the big parking lot at Jones Beach this summer!8)

I haven't seen anything too crazy but I definitely want to see that. That would be seriously amazing!

Don't tell George Lucas - unless you get at trademark on it - he'll be using that in his next movie. Like it. Good luck.

I liked this idea, but for some reason I couldn't find yellow stick on reflectors at any nearby auto place, lots of red ones, but no yellow. Finally went to local NAPA, which I don't like, and found these bolt on ones, #57ATD. I had some thin molly bolts which worked perfectly. I eyeballed the center of the space and drilled a little hole. Loosened a couple of bolts underneath the grill and was able to get my hand up in there without taking out any clips. Looks pretty good.

I like the bolt one idea. Will be looking for some of these.

Did the price go up on these alternative fog lights? for two of the 3" amber one's at Pep-boys in Ga it was $8?

I had some amber reflectors in and decided to change to white. I could not find the white locally, so I ordered them from McMaster for $2 for the pair + about $5 shipping (ouch). I'm not sure I like the white as much as I thought I would, what do others think? I was hoping it would be more subtle. The white is almost too white, I think the white double sided tape contributes to that. The amber matched the turn signal and side marker light better, but I was thinking the white would look more like fake fogs and would look nicer with my NBP.

Thanks much fellas,

Thanks to these threads and this site I was able to do both the "fake fog light" and the "HD Grille" mod on my first day of ownership, and am very much liking the effects of both. Found my reflectors at O'Reiley Auto Parts.

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I liked this idea, but for some reason I couldn't find yellow stick on reflectors at any nearby auto place, lots of red ones, but no yellow. Finally went to local NAPA, which I don't like, and found these bolt on ones, #57ATD. I had some thin molly bolts which worked perfectly. I eyeballed the center of the space and drilled a little hole. Loosened a couple of bolts underneath the grill and was able to get my hand up in there without taking out any clips. Looks pretty good.

The bolts should help things out - I've lost both of my reflectors (though the white dbl-sided tape, thankfully round, is still there!). I've got some more in the basement, just haven't gotten around to putting them back on yet.

The bolts should help things out - I've lost both of my reflectors (though the white dbl-sided tape, thankfully round, is still there!). I've got some more in the basement, just haven't gotten around to putting them back on yet.

Gee the tape on my amber ones have been rock soild since the Spring of 05.:confused:

I was looking for similar lights and at the same site that I did, found these for around $40/pair:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TWO-4-Round-White-LED-Back-Up-Tail-Light-Kit-DOT-Solar_W0QQitemZ260370421374QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_RV_Trailer_Camper_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3c 9f49567e
Using the rubber grommets, they will fit in the foglamp recesses with no cutting, just drill a small hole for the wires. These are white backup lights; other shops have similar amber units.

I hate the big holes in the front, it just looks like fog lights are suppose to be there... I dont need fog lights and i dont want to fork over the money..

I saw somewhere on here that someone put stickers in the holes and it gives the illusion of fog lights..

Can you all post your pics here and suggest some stickers to put in there?
I was thinking two big smile face stickers.. or maybe even put a plastic lens in there. Today at home depot they had yellow reflectors that were round, i was going to glue those in.

See "Fog lights, fake" on the FAQ/How To page (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_faq_eoc_howto).

I used a flat light instead Pep Boys $3 each. I tapped into the side markers instead! I was afraid to mess with the parking/turn signal wiring.