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Old 04-19-2017, 07:09 PM   #1
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Burnt Valve

Before it's suggested: I just ordered a service manual.

2011 Element and I just did a compression test. #1 came in at 30# while the rest were right around 90#. Also a barking or whistling sound when test rig was in any cylinder other than #1. Rough idle.

Going to perform a leak-down test to figure if it is intake or exhaust.

All this to ask: For someone who can turn a wrench, but doesn't do so professionally, about how long is this going to take? I've pulled heads on other cars before, but it's been a while. I'm blocking out a weekend to do this.

Also, once I figure out if it is intake or exhaust, I'm going to start ordering parts, but until I get the manual I won't have a list of parts. Can anyone give me a heads-up on a parts list as well as any suggested items to replace while I have it open?

As another aside, I know I will need the wrench for the crank pulley, but are there other specific tools I will need to complete the job aside from the normal stuff (wrenches, sockets, etc.).
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:50 AM   #2
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You should adjust the valve clearance before you do more testing.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:45 AM   #3
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Already did a valve adjust and replaced plugs as well. Forgot to mention that!
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:48 AM   #4
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The service manual won't give you itemized parts lists. For that you'll have to go to vendor sites, e.g.:

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/parts-...ocker-arm.html
https://www.hondapartsnow.com/parts-...nder-head.html
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:26 PM   #5
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As you said the leak down test will tell you which valve is bad. All of your cpmpression readings seem low to me. My 06 with 239k has 120lbs across the board. Once you figure out which valve is leaking you may want to recheck that you have the proper clearance. I would not preorder parts till you open up the engine to see what is actually bad and send the head out to have a complete valve job done. Might be cheaper to install a low mileage junk yard engine.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:58 PM   #6
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Leaning heavily on getting a re-manufactured head. I found one for $395 shipped with valves and springs installed. Not a big deal to move forward with re-installing the rockers and cams since they have to be pulled at any rate to pull the head.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:29 PM   #7
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How did you do your compression test? Throttle full open? Engine does at least 4 compression strokes?

put oil in the cylinder afterwards to see if it affects compression?
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:28 PM   #8
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Took me 22hrs, but that included cleaning piston heads, intake and exhaust ports. I can only suggest you first tackle the crank bolt before diving into anything else, 2 plan on at minimum having the head resurfaced your there why not. Parts-IMO; head bolts, head gasket, intake gasket, exhaust gasket, angle adaptor for braked bar-crank bolt/head bolts. Valves, seal-via leak down test.
Otherwise the reman-head sound like a good deal. Just pressure test the valves before installing.
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