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EOC Rank: Hydrogen
2005
4WD EX-P AT
Galaxy Gray Metallic (GG) Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Kenny Lake, Alaska
Posts: 9
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Pulling my hair out....with frustration
2005 Element. Starts great, within 2 minutes down 2-3 cylinders. Will NOT idle until completely warmed up. If I try to restart while cold, cranks and cranks with slowly increasing 'try to start chugs" until it fires up. If it sits, even for 2 minutes udring this phase, it starts right up again. If I try to drive during this phase, gas to the floor, barely accelerates, again until warmed up and then when warmed up, pretty sluggish overall, kicks down into third way to early on small hills, etc.
Need some thoughts, going to check valve adjustment tomorrow evening as I purchased used and it has never been done while I have owned it. Could this be the problem? What are the symptoms of burned valve? Live 4 hours from Honda dealer (or any import repair) so difficult to get looked at. |
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EOC Rank: Hydrogen
2005
4WD EX-P AT
Galaxy Gray Metallic (GG) Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Kenny Lake, Alaska
Posts: 9
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Coils and plugs have been replaced with no change.
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EOC Rank: Oxygen
2008
2WD EX AT
Kiwi Metallic (KM) Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego area
Posts: 814
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I think your on the right track with the valve adjustment
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EOC Rank: Oxygen
2004
4WD EX MT
Galapagos Green Metallic (GGM) Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: ABQ, NM
Posts: 663
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Check engine ever come on? If so, have you had it scanned yet to see what problems the computer is seeing?
How long have you had the E? Did it just start doing this? Or have you just recently purchased it? How many miles does it have? If the issue came up suddenly, I doubt its due to the valve clearances. I would start with fuel and spark, have you checked if the cylinders are getting fuel?
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EOC Rank: Hydrogen
2005
4WD EX-P AT
Galaxy Gray Metallic (GG) Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Kenny Lake, Alaska
Posts: 9
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191,000 codes are "misfires" on various cylinders, that is what led to the coil replacement. Was 1 and 3 swapped coils and misfires moved to 2 and 4. Checj engine is on, codes were read. Looking back it probably was a subtle onset, aggravated recently by our -25 temps. :)
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EOC Rank: Hydrogen
2008
Galaxy Gray Metallic (GG) Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 45
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Crank position sensor perhaps?
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EOC Rank: Hydrogen
2005
4WD EX-P AT
Galaxy Gray Metallic (GG) Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Kenny Lake, Alaska
Posts: 9
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HMMMMMM Tell me about this "crank position sensor" of which you speak.... -30 this am brrrr
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EOC Rank: Carbon
2008
4WD LX MT
Nighthawk Black Pearl (NBP) |
-30 degrees ........ sometimes the misses gets cold , but damn !
I would agree with the valve adjustment first , but I would also clean the throttle body , inside and out . You'd be surprised at the carbon built up . Use only throttle body cleaner / carb-choke cleaner can harm the T.B. And it's not throwing any codes ?????? Crank position sensor ..... you would get a NO start problem more then anything Good luck |
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EOC Rank: Hydrogen
2005
4WD EX-P AT
Galaxy Gray Metallic (GG) Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Kenny Lake, Alaska
Posts: 9
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It is throwing codes. But just "misfire" codes. Well, duh! Anyway, the codes have not been overly helpful because they have simply stated what I already knew. I am checking again before I tear into just in case something new showed up.
Not -30 all the time, thankfully, but will go a week or so at a time, then we get pretty regular +5 to -5 Thank fro the throttle body tip. |
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EOC Rank: Oxygen
2004
4WD EX MT
Galapagos Green Metallic (GGM) Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: ABQ, NM
Posts: 663
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With a burnt valve or valve adjustment needed, the misfires would not switch with swapping the coils.
I think the issue probably lies within the ignition electrical system. Have you checked your engine grounds and battery connections? Severe cold weather can be a nightmare for even slightly corroded/loose connections. Reminds me why I moved south. Tues it was 60* & I was out at the bike park in shorts. lol
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