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Old 12-10-2012, 10:50 AM   #11
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I checked all fuses and relays, they were OK. After doing the procedure for the HVAC self-check as outlined on the Factory Service Manual, this points to either the compressor or the compressor's pressure switch.
Is there any away to diagnose either one, or are we talking about specialized service from the dealer or an A/C shop?
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:30 PM   #12
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Replaced AC Fan, Now Radiator Fan Won't Turn On

Guys,

I appreciate the posts regarding the replacement of the AC compressor fan. Very helpful.

I removed my old fan and installed the new condenser fan but then noticed that the radiator fan won't turn on. I was careful working around the two wires that attach to the bottom of the new compressor fan, and I am not sure what else I may have done.

The radiator fan was operating correctly just yesterday. Maybe it is coincidence and it just happened to die, but the chances seem slim.

Any help is appreciated.
Thank you.
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:49 PM   #13
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Guys,

I appreciate the posts regarding the replacement of the AC compressor fan. Very helpful.

I removed my old fan and installed the new condenser fan but then noticed that the radiator fan won't turn on. I was careful working around the two wires that attach to the bottom of the new compressor fan, and I am not sure what else I may have done.

The radiator fan was operating correctly just yesterday. Maybe it is coincidence and it just happened to die, but the chances seem slim.

Any help is appreciated.
Thank you.
I'm pretty violent with some installs. I installed new fans THREE TIMES, once the wrong model, and still had both running fine. I vaguely recall fan info was switched somewhere. Did you visually verify (looking under hood) which was/wasn't running before replacing same one? And that 1 starts with the car starting, and the other starts with the AC turned on (if I recall correctly, no time to read on way to work).
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:57 PM   #14
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can anyone tell me if the condenser fan should run at the same time as the radiator fan? My Radiator fan runs properly, but the condenser fan does not seem to run at all.
Easiest way to check is turn on your A/C and look under the hood. If it went on, you're fine.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:45 PM   #15
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I'm pretty violent with some installs. I installed new fans THREE TIMES, once the wrong model, and still had both running fine. I vaguely recall fan info was switched somewhere. Did you visually verify (looking under hood) which was/wasn't running before replacing same one? And that 1 starts with the car starting, and the other starts with the AC turned on (if I recall correctly, no time to read on way to work).
Thank you for your suggestions Legioss. It was definitely the ac compressor fan (passenger side) that was the dead fan, while the radiator fan (driver's side) was turning at all times when the engine was on.

You made a good point about being careful with installations. There are two wires that clip to the bottom of the compressor fan housing, and I have no idea what they do. They do not operate the compressor fan, but appear to use the housing as an anchor point. Maybe I cut into one of the wires when I re-attached them to the new housing. Who knows - maybe one or both of them control the radiator fan that will not start.

Thanks again!
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:34 PM   #16
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As it turns out, after checking the radiator fan with the car battery (on advice from very helpful forum members), the radiator fan is dead. I thought it would be too much of a coincidence to have the radiator fan die just after installing the new AC compressor fan, but it happened. I suppose it makes sense, considering that the radiator fan was having to work so hard during the time the compressor fan was dead. Thanks again for the help.
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:26 PM   #17
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First, Thank You VBsnow for saving me approx. $600 of repair costs by ordering and doing this myself.

Second, a few edits per my experience yesterday installing my new condenser fan:

I bought a "TYC" brand replacement from "CarPartsDiscount" via Ebay. Unfortunately, their '1-day shipping' (via shipping map), was preceded by '9-day processing'. =( Also, DOUBLE-CHECK your part numbers!!! I actually ended up with the wrong fan, and had to make it fit. Make sure it is listed by YOUR year Element.



Note that he said RADIATOR. I thought he was referring to the fan bolts, and made this a lot harder on myself.



Yes. When replacing, there is a tab on the bottom that fits into a groove. You can see it with a flashlight.



There are TWO connectors on my '04. "C" (see pic) is for the fan, and "D" (white) is for something else, just passing by. Please note that these pictures were taken from my head underneath the bumper, looking up. I couldn't get these off from the top, so I ended up removing the large cover under the car and doing it from the bottom. The "C" connector is the same as on the top of the fan. Practice on the one on top to make sure you understand how it works before trying the bottom. I STILL had a hard time, and ended up breaking it off the fan (on top and bottom). A small tab breaks, but no worries, as the new fan will have a brand new small tab to attach to. After disconnected from the fan frame, remember to also pull the "C" connectors apart from each other, to remove that little broken tab from the connector, so the new one will have a place to go. The "D" connector is a 'pinch, then pull to remove'. Pinch per green arrows, pull out towards right of photo. Remember, looking up from underneath. "C" on left, "D" on right.





Indeed.



Rods are easy to align from underneath. Plug the "C" connectors back together AND attach to the new fan frame. Remember to slide "D" back into place too. Reattach everything your moved/removed on the top as well.



Bam!
Just fyi, the D plug that retains the wire can be opened with a flat head screwdriver. No need to remove the plug from the fan shroud if done from the top. Makes it easier than removing the bottom plastic shroud. Yu will still need to disconnect the C plug frm the shroud though,..

Discovered this while changing out my alternator.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:42 PM   #18
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A little FYI. I was recently working on newer Elements, and the fan behaviors are different. I'm not sure where the design was changed (maybe 07?), but the fans control is partially temperature based. On 03-06(?), the radiator fan goes on if the engine is on, and the AC fan goes on when the AC is turned on. On newer years, 07+(?), the engine needs to heat up to a certain temperature and AC may or may not need to be turned on, to make both under-hood fans go on.

Also, remember to check fuses and relays for the fans in the under-hood fuse box. I have had the AC fan go out three times (the fan itself, not the fuse or relay), but this weekend we found an Element that was completely missing a relay AND the fan was dead.
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