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Old 10-07-2018, 09:41 PM   #1
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Bed-toilet-shower design. Opinions?

Hi, first post.
I got looking at my 'new' 2003 purchased last week and thought that if I constructed essentially a waterproof box, I could house a bed, portapotty space and even a tiny shower. It's a fairly serious build that you would slide in without modifying much, basically self contained with little room for much else. You would have to be under 5'10" to make this work though, I'm guessing. Illustrations are from front left looking back.
1) In travel mode, it would have all of the slats pushed in, totally about 48 inches long. Approx 30" wide. No idea on the height, but I needed bracing so thus an overhead storage (potentially to hide 4" ABS pipes for gravity feed water supply).
2) Sleep mode, the front extension is pulled forward, resulting in 71" or so of bedspace
3) Portapotty mode: Slide the slats from the rear to forward, and it exposes a low profile portapotty. This gives you about 26"x30" to do your business. Not much room, but doable.
4) Shower mode. Remove all of the slats and supports. This gives you the entire 30"x48" space. Hang a curtain to keep water inside. Floor is slightly slanted to collect at the rear, then run out from the center of the spare tire, to a holding tank or ground if so desired.
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Go break some sticks. You'll see what doesn't work better than anyone here with 50 years experience building could tell you.

Don't let CAD be a crutch.

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Old 10-08-2018, 08:24 PM   #3
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Go break some sticks. You'll see what doesn't work better than anyone here with 50 years experience building could tell you.

Don't let CAD be a crutch.

Cheers.
It isn't CAD. I free-handed it, then saved it in MS PAINT 3D.
Not that it matters, but I'd be happy to get feedback from someone who has 50 years experience building.
I'm sure what I drew up isn't a totally original idea and I'd enjoy hearing someone else's experience trying this or something similar.

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Old 10-09-2018, 01:06 PM   #4
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MS paint sure has improved a lot in the past few years. CAD is just computer aided design, so MSPaint could have technically been CAD if it were being used to design. With what you've posted, I'd say they made it CAD beyond a shadow of a doubt. I wonder what you can export. You might even be able to get router cut files from that if you knew what you were doing (I don't)

If you'd like to see what other folks have done then there are a lot of threads to read through here. Otherwise your best bet is grabbing some wood and figuring it out as you go.

I'd chime in with 50 years experience building things, but I'll have to wait another 30 years. Maybe someone else will look at this, but in the meantime I'm just trying to convince you to try it and see what happens.
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Well I have been building things for lots of years but that does nothing to change me wondering how exactly someone would take a shower here?
Sitting down?

Also I think you might have misunderstood Cursh in general?
I thought he was suggesting that seeing this on paper is one thing,a computer almost the same thing but in wood to scale entirely another thing which I have to agree with for sure.

You don't need it to be nice or even complete but I bet if you make any sort of scale model at all you will be so much closer to an idea than just thinking about one.
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You don't need it to be nice or even complete but I bet if you make any sort of scale model at all you will be so much closer to an idea than just thinking about one.
that right there.

Well said.
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Old 10-09-2018, 06:54 PM   #7
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you can probably make this yourself. sit down showers have been done in small vans. they just use a huge plastic container bin and kinda take a bird bath like prisoners do.
i guess u use the portapotty for a shower seat? if so, might be ducking a lot. if not, then you have to move it every time u need to shower. the portapotty would probably be an emergency type deal from what i've heard from others with them in small vans.
4" pipe would probably be better outside the vehicle so it can warm up in the sun, like a road shower. if you want to use the toilet and shower a lot in the element, then yeah you can make that work.

but i agree with service and cursh, throw something together real quick and see if that's really what you want.
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you can probably make this yourself. sit down showers have been done in small vans. they just use a huge plastic container bin and kinda take a bird bath like prisoners do.
i guess u use the portapotty for a shower seat? if so, might be ducking a lot. if not, then you have to move it every time u need to shower. the portapotty would probably be an emergency type deal from what i've heard from others with them in small vans.
4" pipe would probably be better outside the vehicle so it can warm up in the sun, like a road shower. if you want to use the toilet and shower a lot in the element, then yeah you can make that work.

but i agree with service and cursh, throw something together real quick and see if that's really what you want.
Hi. Thanks everyone for the feedback.
Just a quick reply. This reply isn't specifically directed at anyone.

I've only owned this Element for a week, so I came up with this after reviewing what was out there already.

I was thinking to remove the slats to access the portapotty (to be used where ever). Remove it and your boxed items stored under the bed to expose the waterproof inner liner to sit crosslegged on the floor to shower off.
Since most people would empty out the storage anyway once they set up, it would be available unused space you could bathe in.
It's a really basic concept, I just didn't see anything like it when I searched through hundreds of posts here. I am in Canada so putting the water supply on the outside would not work unless in the summer months, thus the overhead and the support structure. I also wanted to install lights and a fan in it, but didn't' include those things and a few other touches in the basic drawing I submitted here. FYI we already have snow on the ground here in the mountains, so fall camping involves below freezing temperatures.
I imagined this being about a removable multipurpose space for an extended trip - you CAN bathe if so desired, but may not necessarily have to if it is warm enough outside. Just an option. Otherwise just slapping together a bed platform in the back like most people do would be fine.

The CAD issue - I'm good, no need to worry. You've probably seen some of my stuff if you've been to a movie in the last decade. Seen Mythbusters? Same sort of deal, same sort of stuff. So... that's my background. It's not a brag, but we think, design, redesign then build. No wasted time or materials as we build stuff mentally before we ever touch a welder or saw. For us spfx guys it's faster, more efficient, cheaper, and how we do everything.

I was just asking if anyone who already did this sort of build had any refinements to offer or eliminate. I actually thought someone might say "Hey, throw some lights up top so you can read in bed"... that sort of thing.

Scale models:
Great suggestion, last week I had already built a scale model of the left side shelving system from my concept drawing because it is far more complex and the multi-angles vs anchor points required a mockup - so, thanks for the suggestion, I'm on it, and it will be a separate build once this is complete.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll consider this a 'ready to build'.
Oh, if anyone is interested, I made up a desk for the passenger side yesterday on my day off. Worked out well.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:03 PM   #9
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This is the closest thing I have seen to your idea. It's only a shower but the guy has quite an imagination. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...m1MeeRJl_2GpI3

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the 4" pipe outside would be a problem in your part of the earth. sorry i didn't notice your location before responding. i think it's nice to have a place to shower out of the wind when it's chilly so i totally get this.

im going to modify the poor mans cabana so i can have a privacy room for things like showering and number twoing

i have always liked what thsi guy did with his gravity water system.
https://expeditionportal.com/forum/t...or-play.62159/

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