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We have an 05 Element 4WD with a 5 speed manual transmission. We are the original owners. It has 80,000 miles, 75% Freeway 25% City. In March it started popping out of gear after it had been driven for about 10 to 15 minutes. At first it was just 3rd gear. Now it is 1st, 3rd and 5th. We changed the transmission fluid with "Orignal Honda Manual transmission fluid" we brought from the dealer. It fixed the problem for about one month. It started popping out of gear again so we took it to the dealer. They said the transmission fluid did not look right, I agreed to have it flushed and replaced again for a cost of $178. On the way home from the dealer it started to pop out of 3rd gear again. My husband drove me back to the dealer to pick up my Accord that I left there, during the 15 minute drive it popped out of 1st, 3rd and 5th repeatedly. We just left it at the dealer. The dealer called me back and told me they were guessing that it needed a new transmission, but they were not sure. They can only get a new one and the cost will be about $4,000 unless they decide we need the clutch replaced also. Has anyone had a simular problem? I will pay for a new transmission if I really need one, but the dealer does not seem to really know. My past experiance with Honda Manual Tranmissions has been very good, I am suprised to have to replace one at 80,000 miles.
 

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I would run, not walk, to look at cable binding, cable looseness or other problem relating to the gear selector, something which is preventing the shift from reaching the detents fully. Nearly everything I would immediately check for a 1-3-5 problem like this does NOT involve removing the transmission from the vehicle.

That said, there is the (unlikely!) possibility of the countershaft being worn out of spec, allowing the countershaft to move laterally enough to pop out of engagement in your 1-3-5 combination. If a thorough elimination of selector mechanism issues yields no relief, then, yes, a teardown is in your future.
 

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I would run, not walk, to look at cable binding, cable looseness or other problem relating to the gear selector, something which is preventing the shift from reaching the detents fully. Nearly everything I would immediately check for a 1-3-5 problem like this does NOT involve removing the transmission from the vehicle.

That said, there is the (unlikely!) possibility of the countershaft being worn out of spec, allowing the countershaft to move laterally enough to pop out of engagement in your 1-3-5 combination. If a thorough elimination of selector mechanism issues yields no relief, then, yes, a teardown is in your future.
and the good news is that it would be the ideal time to add a 6th gear.
 

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I would run, not walk, to look at cable binding, cable looseness or other problem relating to the gear selector, something which is preventing the shift from reaching the detents fully. Nearly everything I would immediately check for a 1-3-5 problem like this does NOT involve removing the transmission from the vehicle.

That said, there is the (unlikely!) possibility of the countershaft being worn out of spec, allowing the countershaft to move laterally enough to pop out of engagement in your 1-3-5 combination. If a thorough elimination of selector mechanism issues yields no relief, then, yes, a teardown is in your future.
The problem isn't fluid or transmission, it is motor mounts and transmission mounts. Nothing more. cheap parts bought from any local parts or Rock Auto. This has plaged my Element and I fixed it myself with help from a friend. Total parts 4 (3 engine mounts, 1 transmission mount) cost from Rock Auto $120. Labor 2 hours.
 

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The problem isn't fluid or transmission, it is motor mounts and transmission mounts. Nothing more. cheap parts bought from any local parts or Rock Auto. This has plaged my Element and I fixed it myself with help from a friend. Total parts 4 (3 engine mounts, 1 transmission mount) cost from Rock Auto $120. Labor 2 hours.
 

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When you move the shifter, you are ultimately changing the relative distance between the shifter and the transmission, resulting in a gear change.

Because it is ultimately a simply change in relative distance, you can also shift gears by moving the transmission nearer/further from the shifter.

In other words, you can accomplish a shift change by moving the shifter, or by moving the transmission.

Obviously, no one ever manually/physically moves their transmission to shift gears, but if your engine/transmission is not firmly held in-place, their movement is the same as manually/physically moving the transmission away/towards the shifter.

The fact that this problem is happening only on 1-3-5—only on one side of the shift pattern—is indicative of excess engine/transmission movement.

So, the likely culprit here are the things that are holding in-place your engine/transmission, and those things are your engine/transmission mounts.

It is also possible that there are problems with your shift linkage.

Both the mounts and the linkage should be the focus of your diagnosis. Transmission replacement should not be considered until those two areas of concern are ruled out.
 

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When you move the shifter, you are ultimately changing the relative distance between the shifter and the transmission, resulting in a gear change.

Because it is ultimately a simply change in relative distance, you can also shift gears by moving the transmission nearer/further from the shifter.

In other words, you can accomplish a shift change by moving the shifter, or by moving the transmission.

Obviously, no one ever manually/physically moves their transmission to shift gears, but if your engine/transmission is not firmly held in-place, their movement is the same as manually/physically moving the transmission away/towards the shifter.

The fact that this problem is happening only on 1-3-5—only on one side of the shift pattern—is indicative of excess engine/transmission movement.

So, the likely culprit here are the things that are holding in-place your engine/transmission, and those things are your engine/transmission mounts.

It is also possible that there are problems with your shift linkage.

Both the mounts and the linkage should be the focus of your diagnosis. Transmission replacement should not be considered until those two areas of concern are ruled out.
I understand your reasoning, but have to disagree with the theory. If the shifter cable was a rigid rod and was connected at the shifter at one end, and the transmission at the other, with no other fixed points, you’d be right. However, the shifter cable sheath is bolted to a bracket on the transmission itself, which means that there is no correlation between engine movement and the movement of the shifter cables. What I mean by that is the engine could flop around quite substantially without the shifter cable being affected. That’s why they use a cable.
 

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I understand your reasoning, but have to disagree with the theory. If the shifter cable was a rigid rod and was connected at the shifter at one end, and the transmission at the other, with no other fixed points, you’d be right. However, the shifter cable sheath is bolted to a bracket on the transmission itself, which means that there is no correlation between engine movement and the movement of the shifter cables. What I mean by that is the engine could flop around quite substantially without the shifter cable being affected. That’s why they use a cable.
DCM, you are correct. Still recalling similar problems with my '60 Austin Mini.
 
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