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I have a 2010 AWD EX and I would like to be able to disable my ABS occasionally for driving on snow, gravel, or dirt in certain instances where ABS is not desired. I have looked at the owners manual and I can't seem to find what fuse to pull to do this. I want to be able to bring the system back when we are back to regular street driving.

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I did a quick search of "ABS FUSE" and found this in about ten seconds.
Odd in that the same fuse in my old GMC pickup was a 60amp monster that I sent flying across a vacant lot as soon as I figured out where it was. The "ABS" system in that truck simply shut off your brakes completely for several seconds - which meant that if one wheel happened to slip on a block of slush when you were coming to a stop sign, you lost your brakes until far past the intersection. The E's ABS system is about a thousand times better but I still cringe when it works.

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/udfrb.htm
 

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I did a quick search of "ABS FUSE" and found this in about ten seconds.
Odd in that the same fuse in my old GMC pickup was a 60amp monster that I sent flying across a vacant lot as soon as I figured out where it was. The "ABS" system in that truck simply shut off your brakes completely for several seconds - which meant that if one wheel happened to slip on a block of slush when you were coming to a stop sign, you lost your brakes until far past the intersection. The E's ABS system is about a thousand times better but I still cringe when it works.

http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/e/udfrb.htm
Thanks for the response.

Interesting. I didn't find anything on EOC forums when I searched for "ABS fuse" or "ABS disable" I had found your site when I did my initial search, (You have a great site!) but the info listed is for a 2004 and I have a 2010. When compared your info to my owners manual I didn't see anything marked "ABS" so I thought I would make my post. (However, there are fuses for the VSA)

Here is what the owners manual shows for fuse location # and amps. (2009 version)

UNDER-HOOD FUSE BOX
No. Amps. Circuits Protected
1 30 A Condenser Fan
2 15 A Small Light
3 7.5 A Interior Light
4 20 A Cooling Fan Motor
5 15 A Hazard
6 15 A FI ECU
No. Amps. Circuits Protected
7 15 A Horn, Stop
8 15 A DBW
9 10 A Back Up
10 30 A VSA Motor
11 20 A Rear Defroster
12 40 A Heater Motor
No. Amps. Circuits Protected
13 40 A Power Window Main
14 40 A Option
15 15 A Left Headlight
16 15 A Door Lock
17 15 A Right Headlight
18 30 A VSA F/S
19 100 A Battery
20 50 A IG1 Main
21-25 7.5 A-30 A Spare Fuses

INTERIOR FUSE BOX
No. Amps. Circuits Protected
1 - Not Used
2 10 A Rear Accessory Power
Socket
3 10 A Daytime Running Lights/
TPMS
4 10 A ACG
5 - Not Used
No. Amps. Circuits Protected
6 7.5 A Power Window Relay
7 20 A AMPꭧ
8 7.5 A Accessory, Radio
9 10 A Rear Wiper
10 7.5 A Meter
11 - Not Used
No. Amps. Circuits Protected
12 7.5 A Daytime Running Lights
13 10 A SRS
14 10 A Remote Control Mirrors
15 20 A LAF Heater
16 15 A Ignition Relay
17 15 A Fuel Pump
18 15 A Front Accessory Power
Socket
19 7.5 A Turn Signal Lights
20 20 A Front Wiper
21 - Not Used
22 20 A Passenger's Power Window
23 20 A Driver's Power Window
24 - Not Used
25 - Not Used
ꭧ: If equipped


I'm guessing that the under hood fuses #10 and #18 for VSA are what I'm looking for. The 2004 info shows these as "ABS modulator control units" I now realize that the ABS is hooked to the VSA. This will be good as I'll want the VSA off as well as the ABS (There is nothing in the under dash fuse box showing VSA unlike the 2004 #11 for ABS)

Anyone have any suggestions between pulling #10 and #18? Or pull both?
 

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Jan, the site that he linked to isn't his, it is ramblerdan's, one of the Mods and long time members of the EOC.
Thanks for the info. I'm new enough to not know who is who around here.

It's still a great site! :)
 

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Question is two fold. There are not any issues with turning the vsa off in regards to any of the other electronics in the car? And also do you have the warning lights on your dash? I need to rid myself of vsa/abs as well...
That is my concern as well on if there are any other issues from pulling the fuse. I don't care about the dash lights for the short time the E would be in this set up as long as the go off when it gets put back in "street" mode.

I'm still researching this topic and hopefully will have the answers soon.
 

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I don't know for sure, but won't pulling the fuse to that system set a code?

It was my understanding that any safety system fault triggers a fault code.

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I don't know for sure, but won't pulling the fuse to that system set a code?

It was my understanding that any safety system fault triggers a fault code.

Dom
I'm sure pulling the fuse will trigger the light on the dash... but will it just go out when the fuse gets replaced?
 

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yes and yes.
Good to hear about the E going back to normal once the fuse is replaced. I suppose the last question that needs to be asked is that will pulling the fuse affect driveablity like putting the E into a limp mode? That would defeat the purpose of the whole reason for this discussion.
 

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Going on the assumption that pulling the fuse works with no side effects, you could take this to the next step and wire in a switch to the fuse and could easily turn it off and on when needed.
 

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Now on the note of switches, there is a vsa off switch. It is down by the cruise control on off button, by the coin holder. Thats what I use to dyno the car with the back wheels stationary. Maybe wire it so it goes off with the car starting. That was my plan, and pulling the dash fuse light... VSA does me no good, just violent lurching with the generous application of the gas pedal.:evil:
 

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I'm going to try it just as soon as my local independent Honda repair shop gets its 2010 Honda computer update. He thinks that the code might remain after the fuse is reinstalled until it gets cleared.

I know I can turn the VSC off with the switch... but I also want to not have the computer think for me under braking when I'm on very loose surfaces like dirt/gravel/snow.
 

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Well try it and let us know!
I tried it tonite and here's what happened.

I pulled the #10 30 amp fuse (square pinkish purple) in the under hood fuse block:



The VSA and the ABS lights illuminated on the dash. I could lock up the wheels under braking and also spin them at my discretion on snow. No other dash lights came on. I drove about 5 miles (over to my local Honda tech) The E drove just like normal with no drivablity issues (other than the obvious lack of ABS and VSA functions and the lights illuminated on the dash) I then put the the fuse back in and started the E. The VSA and ABS lights were still illuminated. Before we hooked up his scanner we decided to start/stop the car 3 times as this sometimes clears codes. I also wanted to see if the VSA and ABS were in fact still disabled or not. I quickly found a patch of snow and hammered the brakes... the ABS kicked right in like normal. I then hammered the gas and the VSA system worked and the light on the dash flashed like normal. As I turned around to go back to the garage I observed that both the ABS and VSA lights were now extinquished. I drove the E home and it's back to normal.

So:
I'm sure pulling the fuse will trigger the light on the dash... but will it just go out when the fuse gets replaced?
yes and yes.
You are absolutely correct once you drive the E.

And:
I've asked this exact same question several times in the past and not gotten much of anywhere other than admonitions of "don't do it, it's dangerous!". If we could disable both VSA and ABS at the same time, I'd be a happy camper :grin:
You should be camping happy as the one fuse will disable both the VSA and the ABS.

Disclaimer:
I am NOT advising anyone to do this. Any damage, injury, or death resulting in from pulling this fuse is soley YOUR responsibility. 8)
 
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