Group buys dont phase hondata... They dont want any bad feedback at all... They test and research etc. etc. in secret until they release the product or all of us would hound them daily. This still happens(Accord and Tsx guys are a perfect example) but much less frequently if they"May or may not be developing a solution to work for you." It is purely so noone tries to duplicate or harass them about any new things... Beautiful from their standpoint, and foul for the customers, even though it is in everyones best interest that they do business that way. Think if someone leaked k pro and someone else figured it out first? Not good for them.. Anyways, bottom line is hopefully hondata will work something out for us. Until then I will have my fingers crossed.