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I always liked the contrast of the gray panels on my black Element but recently I wanted to really shoot for a darker stealthy look. I had toyed with the idea of swapping out all my 03 gray panels for the new 05 "black" panels but I'd lose my sidesteps and splashguards as the black rocker trim doesnt fit with the 03-04 sidesteps or splashguards. That along with having to redo my LED clearance lights on the corners of the roof and not to mention the freakin' cost of just going a few shades darker from an already dark gray to basically a really, really dark gray nearly black panel. I also thought if I were to go this route anyway then why not just go with the new 06 EX-P panels? I really like the painted panels on the black but it gives the Element a "dressed up" look and I want to lean a bit more toward the flat satiny black instead of being so glossy. More "Mad Max" and less "KnightRider". :D
But in the end I just didn't want to spend around the $2000 it would cost to swap all the panels and replace the sidesteps, splashguards etc.
So I put that idea into the back of my mind. Then I saw someone here mention a permanent black plastic dye to use for when black plastic trim becomes discolored or faded. I thought it wouldn't do a damn thing on the gray panels but I looked into it anyway. It's called "Forever Black" and it usually comes in small 4oz bottles with an applicator sponge on the tip. I googled around thru several car forums and found where truck owners, Jeep owners and even BMW owners have used it and liked it on their faded black trim. It's usually sold on Ebay so I figured I'd try a couple bottles out maybe only on the roof trim and see what happens. They were only about $20 for 2 bottles with shipping included. I figured 2 bottles should be enuff for the 6 pieces of gray plastic roof panels, I hoped. So when it arrived, the bottles looked even smaller than I thought they would and I got nervous. I decided to test this glorified shoe polish on the leftover plastic caps where the roof racks mounted. This way if it's crap, then no one will ever see it because the part isn't even on the car anymore. I sponge it on, covering the textured surface and let it sit. It says it only takes 15-20 minutes to dry and it did. It looked pretty good, not totally black but much much darker. I scratched at it with a fingernail and tried to rub it off but it still looked fine. Stuck it under hot water and scrubbed with a rag and still good. I should have probably waited atleast overnite to see if the mess would eat holes thru the plastic but I got all excited. So what the hell, I'll play the guinea pig. I grabbed a small hand sponge and went to town on the roof panels........
By the time I finished, only 2 hours had passed and I had done nearly every square inch of exterior plastic on the Element, and was only thru half of one bottle! This crap is amazing. It literally goes on like the sponge bottle shoe polish but it absorbs right into the plastic. A larger sponge than what the bottle is equipped with is best because it prevents streaking by spreading it with larger swipes but it's very easy to work with. It blended fairly well and darkened all the panels to where they are a pretty close match to the 05-06 "black" panels. I'm extremely happy with the darker tone and it gives the Element a more sinister look. It's been several days now since I applied the dye and the panels still look fine. Time will tell if they look like ass eventually but so far so good. :D

Empire endorses "Forever Black"
www.foreverblack.com





Here are some sample shots.
I'd say everyone knows what the standard gray panels look like thru different lighting situations so you can use that as a "Before" to compare with these. Most of these were taken either at near dusk or at night so that could be working for the tone but I'll post a decent daylight pic when I get the chance.










 
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Luckily I had the chance to do a side by side comparison with a Magnesium Metallic with the 05 "black" panels.
Mine on the left, Magnesium on the right.




Mine on the right, Magnesium on the left.




This one is self explanatory.

 

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That kicks ass! Love the look. You'll have to keep us informed on the durability of it. I'm curious as to how it would hold up to the Florida sun, carwashes, etc. GREAT job!
 

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That kicks ass! Love the look. You'll have to keep us informed on the durability of it. I'm curious as to how it would hold up to the Florida sun, carwashes, etc. GREAT job!
Well the bottle does show a before shot of half a bumper all chalky and "E.T. in a creek" lookin' and the other half of the bumper is silky black with an "After 50 Washes" caption under it. So it must be great. Like Nu-Finish!
:D

Nah, I'll wait and see. Worst case scenario is I ruined my panels and either drive around looking ghetto or I have to replace them........with brand new black panels.
I'll tell the insurance company that someone neatly applied shoe polish all over my Element's gray panels and I'm sure they'll cover it. :D
 

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HeyEmpire! I like it. Ready to part with that 2nd bottle? PM me.
I'd love to give you the second bottle but I'm still going to hold on to it for awhile just incase. If they hold the dye and don't get streaky I'll absolutely spread the joy of this stuff but if they start lookin' like a mangy dog's ass I'll need some back up dye.

Goddamn, I hope this crap works out ok.
Shen has his little fancy shmancy "Shen's Sidemarker Into Turn Signal" mod everyone raves about.
This is my chance to have my signature "Empire's Darkside Panel" mod.
Of course with my luck it will probably get coined as "Empire's Soul Man Panel" mod.

Damn you C. Thomas Howell!

 

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Empire said:
Goddamn, I hope this crap works out ok.
Shen has his little fancy shmancy "Shen's Sidemarker Into Turn Signal" mod everyone raves about.
Don't be hatin'


This is my chance to have my signature "Empire's Darkside Panel" mod.
Of course with my luck it will probably get coined as "Empire's Soul Man Panel" mod.

Damn you C. Thomas Howell!


Freaking old ass C. Thomas Howell. Our investors tried to hoist him upon us as the lead of a film we're getting ready to do.

We strongly declined.
 

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What's ol' Tommy doing nowadays?
The Hitcher IV : Revenge of the Thumb?


I'm hijacking my own thread. :D
 

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Very cool, Empire. Did you prepare the plastic first to remove any old wax residue, etc., and did you have any trouble working around any of your external aftermarket accessories (fog lights, bar, etc.)? How about masking to prevent the stuff from getting on paint? What does the bottle say about accidental splashing on paint?
 

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wow! your panels actually look better in comparison to the other e in the pics. good job. i would love to see how it holds up. keep us informed.


-Tom ;)
 

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It does absolutely nothing to paint. It sits on the surface of it and dries so you can rub it off with a finger. This stuff says it is made specifically for porous plastics and you can actually watch it absorb into the panels. Since most of the accessory trim is black also I just slapped it across those too. Roof rack caps, splashguards, mirrors etc. The headlights are spaced far enuff away from the edge that you can carefully avoid them. I did however get some on one headlight lens but it wiped right off like it was glass. Not as porous I'm guessing. Same with the plastic on my LED clearance lights on the roof trim. Wipe on, wipe off Daniel-san with no staining of the smooth clear plastic.
 

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Holly Cr=p that looks great I would have never thought that you could do that with panel dye. Keep us up to date on the progress of the dye and if anything funny happens.

Looks KICK A$$ lovin the idea.

Mark
 

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wow empire! impressive if it holds up. just so i understand, even the silver bits (bumper centers, grille surround) took to it and now are the same shade and sheen as the dark pieces?
No, the silver pieces he had spraypainted last year with Krylon plastic specific spraypaint. He posted that when he did it some time last summer.



 

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Great find Empire! :cool:

When I first saw cargo khaki in the 2005 brochure I thought it was mettalic and came with the black panels thanks to Honda marketing and a litttle software program called photoshop. Then I went and bought one and found out differently. But I love it all the same. Not sure I have the bawls to do this since I have another 55 months of payments but I'm thinking about it. :roll:
 

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Thanks for the comments!
Yep the bumpers and the grill surround were previously painted black with Krylon Fusion but that didn't stop me.:D
I smeared some dye across them also and it actually gave them a smoother finish too. I noticed my front plate holder was getting a little faded around the edges so I wiped it across that too. It gave it a nice smooth black satin finish.
No dull chalky feel on the panels. It abosorbed right thru the pores making it several shades darker. I think if you were to keep applying it on one panel then it might not abosrb anymore so the dye would just sit on the surface and dry with a dry powdery feel to it. But they recommend about 2 coats for "a richer lustre"
 

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I'll have to photoshop mine to see if it would look good on Shoreline. Looks awesome with black though.
 
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