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I barely get 300 miles with a full tank of gas and thats mostly freeway driving. I just had the car for a week now and I have not gone faster than 80MPH. I usually cruise control it around 70MPH..... SO HOW MANY MILES DO YOU PEOPLE GET??????
 

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I have a 5 spd 2wd and on my last tank of gas I got 360 miles on 13 gallons of gas. I know have heard that the gas mileage gets better with more miles. I have 10,000 miles on mine. Good luck hope it improves!
 

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Getting just over 300 miles out of a tank with 2700 miles on my E.
 

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And that's just when the light goes on...You can probably get another 100 before you run out. That's right around 25 MPG. My Chevy truck gets 8 and my Lemans gets 6 MPG. I'm SO happy.
 

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I'm not going to push it though. When that light comes on, I'm looking for a gas station that sells gas from American oil fields. :)
 

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For my first tank of gas, the light came on somewhere around 250 miles and I could only put in 11.3 gallons, out of the 15 gallon tank.

I had that much gas left when the light came on - same as others have reported.

I'm not even going to keep track of my mileage until the car is broken in.
 

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i've started keeping track of mileage at about 900 miles. i have gotten 340+ miles without seeing the gas light. the gas i put in was around 13 gals. the reason i'm saying "around" and "about" is cause right now i'm too lazy to go out to the car to retrieve my notebook. so by my assumptions that's 25+ mpg.

once i get some decent data i'll post it, along with my spreadsheet that you folks can use to calc your mileage. i'm relatively happy with it!
 

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I just put a new tank of gas in so lets see if my car, oops i mean my truck.. or my suv? or watever it is, to see if it got any better. I commute 33 miles one way to work and i can't tolerate 18mpg... I have now 800 miles.... When will my car be fully broken in?? Considering I had a fully built turboed civic, i would know these thing but I am clueless.
 

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At 2600 miles on my 4WD EX AT (A/C always on, ... wonder how much that affects things?), here's what I get:

(BTW, my gas light comes on around @ 250-260, so I'm pretty jealous of you '320+ on a tank' folks )

<pre>
Date Miles Gallons MPG
162 7.54 21.49
24-May 188 8.18 22.98
26-May 260 11.20 23.21
28-May 255 11.04 23.10
31-May 265 12.34 21.47
3-Jun 269.7 10.87 24.82
7-Jun 176.8 7.84 22.55
10-Jun 284.4 12.24 23.24
16-Jun 268 12.10 22.15
20-Jun 254.6 12.15 20.95
22-Jun 266.9 11.85 22.52
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Just filled up. 322 miles. 15.277 gallons of gas. Just over 21 mpg. mix highway city.
 

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300-310 mi when the light clicks on. Almost like clockwork. And I have a 20mi freeway commute to and fro work.

7500mi, 5SPD 2WD EX
 

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I started logging my gas consumption. As of June 26 i got 21.11 MPG.. Getting better.. =)
 

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If I drive 'normally', i.e. not creeping off the line at each stop, I'm lucky to get 19 mph mixed driving. When I drive almost exclusively freeway (like to my sailboat at the coast about 80 miles away) I get up to 26 mph! Not too happy about the 19, but I got tired of driving so slow all the time just to reach the 21 it's supposed to get. My old 1993 v6 Caravan got better mileage in the city! But it couldn't touch the 26 mph freeway, so I guess I can live with it.
 

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My wife's E was getting 22 mpg on an average...since I disconnected the AC from de DEF it's improved to 27 mpg...now that's an improvement...

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[quote:a5c693193a="HEK"]My wife's E was getting 22 mpg on an average...since I disconnected the AC from de DEF it's improved to 27 mpg...now that's an improvement...

:lol:[/quote:a5c693193a]

Obviously you were joking here.

Engineering studies predict A/C on average costs between 2% and 3% loss of fuel economy at highway speeds- or approximately 1/2 MPG on a Honda Element. (That's assuming that all windows are rolled up. If you turn off the A/C compressor and roll DOWN the windows fuel economy actually declines due to wind drag.)

If your wife used defrost continuously engineering would predict an increase of mileage from 22 to 22.5 mpg on average by disconnecting it.

If she only uses the defroster 10% of the time annually, (and that would probably be a pretty generous estimate year-round) she would experience an increase from 22 to 22.05 MPG or approximately 1/20th MPG on an annual basis.

The actual real-world change would typically be in the vicinity of 1/4 MPG in the winter (if she used the defrost setting half the time) and ZERO increase during the 7-9 months of the year when the defroster is not in use at all- such as now.

Just wanted to set the record straight lest anyone misconstrue your joke and think they could actually get a 20+% increase in mileage by disconnecting the A/C function in defrost-mode! :lol:

Needless to say, in a world where "Corporate Average Fuel Economy" translates into billions of dollars across a fleet, Honda and every other manufacturer on the planet would have long-ago disconnected the A/C operation in defrost mode if it represented a 20%-25% increase in fuel economy.

The reason it's left operative is that on average it costs in the neighborhood of .05 MPG annually and substantially incrases vehicle safety by removing condensation on the windows when outside ambient air temps are low- thus substantially increasing vehicle visibility/safety. Those numbers work out to approximately $2 per year for a vehicle that averages 24 MPG, is driven 15,000 miles annually and when gas is $1.50 per gallon- cheap insurance indeed for the added safety of increased visibility in the winter!

Steve
 

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[quote:2dcf46bd50="eleMentalCase"][quote:2dcf46bd50="HEK"]My wife's E was getting 22 mpg on an average...since I disconnected the AC from de DEF it's improved to 27 mpg...now that's an improvement...

:lol:[/quote:2dcf46bd50]

Obviously you were joking here.

Engineering studies predict A/C on average costs between 2% and 3% loss of fuel economy at highway speeds- or approximately 1/2 MPG on a Honda Element. (That's assuming that all windows are rolled up. If you turn off the A/C compressor and roll DOWN the windows fuel economy actually declines due to wind drag.)

If your wife used defrost continuously engineering would predict an increase of mileage from 22 to 22.5 mpg on average by disconnecting it.

If she only uses the defroster 10% of the time annually, (and that would probably be a pretty generous estimate year-round) she would experience an increase from 22 to 22.05 MPG or approximately 1/20th MPG on an annual basis.

The actual real-world change would typically be in the vicinity of 1/4 MPG in the winter (if she used the defrost setting half the time) and ZERO increase during the 7-9 months of the year when the defroster is not in use at all- such as now.

Just wanted to set the record straight lest anyone misconstrue your joke and think they could actually get a 20+% increase in mileage by disconnecting the A/C function in defrost-mode! :lol:

Needless to say, in a world where "Corporate Average Fuel Economy" translates into billions of dollars across a fleet, Honda and every other manufacturer on the planet would have long-ago disconnected the A/C operation in defrost mode if it represented a 20%-25% increase in fuel economy.

The reason it's left operative is that on average it costs in the neighborhood of .05 MPG annually and substantially incrases vehicle safety by removing condensation on the windows when outside ambient air temps are low- thus substantially increasing vehicle visibility/safety. Those numbers work out to approximately $2 per year for a vehicle that averages 24 MPG, is driven 15,000 miles annually and when gas is $1.50 per gallon- cheap insurance indeed for the added safety of increased visibility in the winter!

Steve[/quote:2dcf46bd50]

I pump the gas on both vehicles.....i take an odometer reading when I get my receipt....divide the amount of miles into the gallons used and i get a number.....I don't go by how many miles each tank takes me...so no joke just the facts....and just like you doubt my words.....why not doubt those who tell you that having the AC on only decreases the mpg by .5 miles....try it yourself and then answer the thread....I don't have anything to gain by telling you my findings.....

Just like if I tell you that a CAI increases gas milage...well I won't make any more statements....maybe we just like to believe studies.....and also believe that studies show that smoking moderately wouldn't cause cancer....who does those studies??....those paid by RJRenolds ??.... and which engineering group??....the AC manufacturers??.... :roll:
 

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HEK,

Well... much to my shock you obviously weren't joking. If you actually believe that disconnecting the A/C on defrost (which isn't used this time of the year of course so is 100% irrelevant to both our discussion and your measurements until next November or December anyway) has increased your mileage by 20%-25%... and if you actually believe that you've somehow made a secret discovery that has escaped the notice of automotive engineers and manufacturers who spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually- searching for every last 1/100 of mpg increase in fuel economy... then there's nothing I can say: You've left me speechless.

I'd suggest there are 100's of other contributing factors that are accounting for your change in mileage including engine break in, oil viscosity, warmer seasonal weather conditions, less engine warm-up, seasonal traffic conditions, warmer vehicle operating temperature, tire inflation, your wife's driving technique, prevailing winds, differing routes and cargo loads, number of passengers, etc., etc., etc. The list is almost endless.

The only thing I can say for absolute certain that has absolutely NO bearing on the change in your mpg is disconnecting the A/C on the defrost setting since the defrost setting is not being used at this time of year- probably hasn't been used in at least 60-90 days.

Either way... I'm glad your wife has suddenly found the key to exceeding EPA estimated mileage- whatever that key may be. That's a good thing. On that we can both agree. 27 mpg is 27 mpg- regardless of how she's getting it.

Steve
 

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HEK did you disconnect the a/c altogether, or just from the defrost function? Maybe you have stumbled onto something. While I would agree with some of Junior's statements in theory, unlike him, I am open to new possibilities. Many of us have been wowed by how great the a/c works. I said, in another thread, that it's the best car a/c I have ever had, out of about 7 or 8 new cars I've purchased over the years. I know it's supposed to have some special filtering system (which seems to be true, judging how quickly it eliminates outside odors when I push the recirculate button). Now, you've got me wondering if Honda isn't sacrificing mileage via their 'super a/c' system. Something has got to be sucking up the mileage it's supposed to get. I have always been able to exceed the advertised mileage before this! Anyway, thanks for the info. I never thot you were joking.
 
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