I've been suffering from a severe case of "Elementiasis" for a couple years now, ever since I drove a friends. We're long time Honda owners, several Civics and a Fit. Brought into the fold 2 days ago, a green '05EX with 112k miles, manual transmission. I've been lurking on the forum for a while...what a great resource! Thank you all for your contributions,it's been a big help for me in choosing the right car.