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Long story short, I have auto paint (white) overspray on my black 06 E EX . The guilt party will pay for removing the overspray on the paint, but the body shop said they would not touch the panels, they say there is nothing you can do but replace them ? Which I think is BS

I have searched the forum and have found info on a product called 303, seems most people are using it on grey panels, how will it work on black panels?

Also found info on Mothers Back to Black, which I would think would be ideal for black panels.

Are these products also cleaner or just protection products?

Any help would the great ...thx
 

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Is the paint on the gray plastic panels? If yes, then replace the panels. I had my Element vandalized several years ago and needed to replace the front and rear fenders and both pieces of the door handle. The paint would not come out no matter what product I used. I even went with paint remover to see what it would do and it removed the paint but damaged the panels. I did that after I had already replaced the panels.

The panels do not cost very much. I replaced those 4 pieces for about $120!

Which panels were damaged with the paint? Just get them to pay for the parts and replace them yourself.



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Neither Back to Black nor 303 would do what you want. B2B would partially coat the overspray with wax, 303 would penetrate the surface of the overspray without dissolving it, then protect the overspray.

I believe that the best consequences to deter future bad behavior involve work, not money. It's up to you whether you have a shop replace the panels, or offer to allow the guilty party (not you) to first try removing the overspray. I'd go for the later, because if it didn't work, the guilty party would suffer more.

If the overspray is lacquer overspray, not intentional graffiti, you might be able to remove it. I've used judiciously applied paint thinners (like turpolene) and other mild organic solvents with a soft bristle fingernail brush to remove all kinds of organic materials from my plastic panels.

Either "Goof-Off" or "Oops" will soften overspray provided you apply it soon. Mask off the adjacent painted body panels. Apply the solvent to the overspray and cover it with plastic wrap to prevent evaporation. Allow the solvent at least an hour to penetrate the overspray, then remove the plastic wrap and try gently scrubbing the panel with a bristle brush and/or microfibre towel. Keep the area moistened with the solvent until most of the overspray is off.

Once you have most of the overspray removed, there may be some remaining residue in the "pits" of the plastic. Try peanut oil/peanut butter to lift off the remaining residue, then wash the panels thoroughly to remove all oils. Repeat the entire process as needed.

After the surface looks clean when dry, THEN use 303 to minimize future contaminants adhesion to the plastic panels.
 

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Is the paint on the gray plastic panels? If yes, then replace the panels. I had my Element vandalized several years ago and needed to replace the front and rear fenders and both pieces of the door handle. The paint would not come out no matter what product I used. I even went with paint remover to see what it would do and it removed the paint but damaged the panels. I did that after I had already replaced the panels.

The panels do not cost very much. I replaced those 4 pieces for about $120!

Which panels were damaged with the paint? Just get them to pay for the parts and replace them yourself.
The overspray covered most of the E, the guilty party was painting with their shop door open, so picture a large cloud of paint floating thru the air.

I wish it was just the fender panels, but it is all the plastic, replacement quote was $ 5000.00

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Neither Back to Black nor 303 would do what you want. B2B would partially coat the overspray with wax, 303 would penetrate the surface of the overspray without dissolving it, then protect the overspray.

I believe that the best consequences to deter future bad behavior involve work, not money. It's up to you whether you have a shop replace the panels, or offer to allow the guilty party (not you) to first try removing the overspray. I'd go for the later, because if it didn't work, the guilty party would suffer more.

If the overspray is lacquer overspray, not intentional graffiti, you might be able to remove it. I've used judiciously applied paint thinners (like turpolene) and other mild organic solvents with a soft bristle fingernail brush to remove all kinds of organic materials from my plastic panels.

Either "Goof-Off" or "Oops" will soften overspray provided you apply it soon. Mask off the adjacent painted body panels. Apply the solvent to the overspray and cover it with plastic wrap to prevent evaporation. Allow the solvent at least an hour to penetrate the overspray, then remove the plastic wrap and try gently scrubbing the panel with a bristle brush and/or microfibre towel. Keep the area moistened with the solvent until most of the overspray is off.

Once you have most of the overspray removed, there may be some remaining residue in the "pits" of the plastic. Try peanut oil/peanut butter to lift off the remaining residue, then wash the panels thoroughly to remove all oils. Repeat the entire process as needed.

After the surface looks clean when dry, THEN use 303 to minimize future contaminants adhesion to the plastic panels.
Well like I said it is a long story, the guilty party had me take it to a body shop to clean up the overspray (also 10 other cars, mine the only black one). The bodyshop would not clean the panels just the paint, which they screwed up, and is now going to the bodyshop of my choice and will cost them $1200.00 to remove the scraches from the first bodyshop, and $5000.00 to replace all of the plastic, which the guilty party will not pay.

And also as all this is going on time is moving on, it has been 6 weeks and the overspray is still on the panels

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Well like I said it is a long story, the guilty party had me take it to a body shop to clean up the overspray (also 10 other cars, mine the only black one). The bodyshop would not clean the panels just the paint, which they screwed up, and is now going to the bodyshop of my choice and will cost them $1200.00 to remove the scraches from the first bodyshop, and $5000.00 to replace all of the plastic, which the guilty party will not pay.

And also as all this is going on time is moving on, it has been 6 weeks and the overspray is still on the panels

Gary
All of the plastic on the Element is nowhere near $5,000 to replace! I believe that people have changed colors for less than $2,000... probably closer to $1,500. You can do a search on that and see the pricing and even all part numbers I believe.

As for the suggestions that psschmied suggested. I tried them all... it didn't work and I was dealing with white latex house paint, far easier to get off you would think vs automotive paints. I tried goo-gone, goof-off, paint thinner, paint remover, etc. It either didn't remove the paint or it removed it and damaged the plastic by discoloring it. Simpler to replace the panels.



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All of the plastic on the Element is nowhere near $5,000 to replace! I believe that people have changed colors for less than $2,000... probably closer to $1,500. You can do a search on that and see the pricing and even all part numbers I believe.

As for the suggestions that psschmied suggested. I tried them all... it didn't work and I was dealing with white latex house paint, far easier to get off you would think vs automotive paints. I tried goo-gone, goof-off, paint thinner, paint remover, etc. It either didn't remove the paint or it removed it and damaged the plastic by discoloring it. Simpler to replace the panels.

Yea $5000.00 seems like a lot, but that did inc. labor, and it was all of the plastic..ie bumpers, door handle molding, roof rails, etc...

Like I said we are in a pissin match now on the cost. The big kicker is I can't take them to court because my wife works for them
 

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Yea $5000.00 seems like a lot, but that did inc. labor, and it was all of the plastic..ie bumpers, door handle molding, roof rails, etc...

Like I said we are in a pissin match now on the cost. The big kicker is I can't take them to court because my wife works for them
Pop by your local dealer and get a written quote on the parts you need replaced and the labour to install them. Most of the peices with the exception of the bumpers can be ordered online at discounted prices.
 

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. . . it has been 6 weeks and the overspray is still on the panels . . . Gary
Six weeks ago? If you'd started with that information, I'd have said this was a lost cause. I assumed that since you were going to a forum for advice that this just happened.

If this had happened to me, I'd have been on te phone to my insurance company within 5 minutes of finding out. They'd have had the damage repaired weeks ago, and since this is an obvious case of negligence (10 vehicles damaged), they'd have gone to the responsible party's insurance company for full restitution, not asked them what they were willing to pay for. The negligent party is liable for the cost of restitution up to the replacement cost of the vehicles. This is why legitimate companies (and you) carry public liability insurance coverage.

Financially stable established companies don't treat valued employees like this. Your wife's a marked woman, because she'll be perceived by them as (legitimately) disgruntled, or as a sucker. If she works for a company that would damage her car, force her to go to litigation for restitution, then discharge her for filing a civil suit for their negligence, she should start looking for another job.
 

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...clay bar won't work??

OK, I re-read. Maybe your wife's company could paint everything, including the plastic trim.
 

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Six weeks ago? If you'd started with that information, I'd have said this was a lost cause. I assumed that since you were going to a forum for advice that this just happened.

If this had happened to me, I'd have been on te phone to my insurance company within 5 minutes of finding out. They'd have had the damage repaired weeks ago, and since this is an obvious case of negligence (10 vehicles damaged), they'd have gone to the responsible party's insurance company for full restitution, not asked them what they were willing to pay for. The negligent party is liable for the cost of restitution up to the replacement cost of the vehicles. This is why legitimate companies (and you) carry public liability insurance coverage.

Financially stable established companies don't treat valued employees like this. Your wife's a marked woman, because she'll be perceived by them as (legitimately) disgruntled, or as a sucker. If she works for a company that would damage her car, force her to go to litigation for restitution, then discharge her for filing a civil suit for their negligence, she should start looking for another job.
Thanks for the reply...
Yes 6 weeks, the reason why...waiting on estaments, waiting on HR manager, etc.etc. I told them we need to take care of the soon.

Maybe we are saps, but I had hoped they would have done the right thing, the company is a global large equipment manfacturing company, but this plant is pretty chicksh**, I knew this before all this happen, but what are you going to do, she needs this job.

If they lay her off the next go around, maybe a call to the EPA about painting equipment with shop doors open...hell I got proof
 

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King, as was previously posted - why haven't you checked with your auto Insurance company? That's why you have insurance. :|
 

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King, as was previously posted - why haven't you checked with your auto Insurance company? That's why you have insurance. :|
Well I was hoping they would take care of it, if I claim it on my insurance my rates could go up, (we have no tickets or accidents) I would think, and then if the insurance company go after my wife employer, where does the leave us? Her being let go. idk

Please correct me if my thinking is wrong
 

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Well I was hoping they would take care of it, if I claim it on my insurance my rates could go up, (we have no tickets or accidents) I would think, and then if the insurance company go after my wife employer, where does the leave us? Her being let go. idk

Please correct me if my thinking is wrong
Your vehicle was damaged by a business. Your insurance company would pay the claim and then go after the business's insurance company for reimbursement. Your rates will not go up.



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I would not call you insurance too! If they smell damage they will pop up the rates. Have them pay for the replacement of the panels and if they refuse get a handful of estimates(as many as you can) and take pics and give them copies and say pick one or give them fare warning that you may need to take them to small claims court. The last thing they would want s to 1 pay a lawyer to consult and 2 have it a matter of public record that they were painting with the doors open. Any lawyer worth his salt would tell them that! Let a pro that they send you to try to remove the over spray. If you do it they may try to say that you damaged the panels and that a pro could have done a better job and that they would only pay for part of the replacement. If you walk in with a handful of estimates you will look good in the courts eyes.

I had a battle with the Jasper Engine company over a leaking head on my pickup. They refused to pay for the labor to replace my engine $1500. I had the pictures and the mechanics backing me up that it was their fault. I told the guy at jasper "If you don't cover this I will be filing within 24 hours with the 15th dist. of the Dupage county court." With the hour they call me back and said they would pay. Sometimes the words you use can play big part in getting the issue resolved.

As for your wifes job if you go to court make it part of the record about your fears. If shes and union employee they can't touch her unless the layoff are at her level. The guy that did it should be worried not you! Your the victim! If you walk in to the company and all your estimates say replacement necessary they will have to pick the cheapest one and pay. If they drag their feet just file and let them get the notice in the mail!

Good Luck!
 

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...clay bar won't work??
On plastic panels? Have you read the thread?
Actually a Clay bar will work.:)
I've removed overspray from countless vehicles finishes/moldings and panels by simply using a Clay Bar.Most of the time,I used Clay Magic brand,the original/first clay bars.
http://www.claymagic.net/whatisclaymagic.htm

Remember there's also different grades of clay bars too, such as light,med,and heavy.The light which is your basic clay that's found in your local auto parts stores may not be up to the task of overspray removal though.:|
 

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Yes...they do work!

I agree. Clay bars work wonders. I've been a car painter since 1967. That doesn't mean I'm the best....it just means I have a lot of experience. HA! My SC was the unfortunate recipient of some clear urethane over spray. All over it! I used the clay bar on every surface...plastic...lights....glass...paint. Worked great. I've always been extremely meticulous with all my cars. I can refinish cars to my satisfaction.....but if you don't have to, you're ahead. They only have "original paint" one time!
 

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Here are some photo's I took with my cell, this is from the 1st bodyshop, that told me they did not wet sand and/or buff, so I assume they used a clay bar.

If you look close at the door it looks like finger smugges, but they are scrathes, also their are light scrathes all over car. The other body shop said they would use a claybar and then buff a couple of times.

A side note my wifes company send us to the first bodyshop because it was $200.00 dollars cheaper $350 vs the second bodyshop that quoted $550.00 because the E is black, found this out after the fact
 

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