Pioneer AVIC-F700BT and XM radio ??

7877 Views 19 Replies 8 Participants Last post by sprhnl, Jun 27, 2015

MJFinelli

Discussion Starter · Jan 25, 2010

I should be getting the Pioneer AVIC-F700BT shortly in the mail.

My question is XM works in my car now with the factory head unit.. I have the Element EX.
Do i need to buy any sort of an adapter for the XM to work with the Pioneer F700BT?
I saw the tread on someone installing a XM thing in the back but did not really find my answer there..

Below is what i ordered and is all coming in the mail. Did i miss anything??

what is coming in the mail..
Pioneer Avic F700bt
Metra 70-1725 harness
ipod adapter cable
Honda antenna adapter
the scosche kit

1 - 20 of 20 Posts

leftfield6

· #2 · Jan 25, 2010

MJFinelli said:
I should be getting the Pioneer AVIC-F700BT shortly in the mail.

My question is XM works in my car now with the factory head unit.. I have the Element EX.
Do i need to buy any sort of an adapter for the XM to work with the Pioneer F700BT?
I saw the tread on someone installing a XM thing in the back but did not really find my answer there..

Below is what i ordered and is all coming in the mail. Did i miss anything??

what is coming in the mail..
Pioneer Avic F700bt
Metra 70-1725 harness
ipod adapter cable
Honda antenna adapter
the scosche kit

Yep, you do need the Pioneer XM module. The factory XM module only works with the factory headunit. Also the factory XM antenna only works with the factory XM module.

Getting the idea?:grin: Having the factory XM installed benefits you not one bit when converting to an aftermarket headunit.

You need the Pioneer XM like this, which comes with the needed cables and antenna.

I installed mine in the back side panel as pictured in the thread you referenced.

See less See more

2

MJFinelli

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jan 25, 2010

oh.. so that why you did that.. Looks like alot of work

Yoda E SC

· #4 · Jan 25, 2010

MJFinelli said:
oh.. so that why you did that.. Looks like alot of work

i would say so he could use the factory antenna on his aftermarket tuner, but it sounds like he didnt see that he could take the little plastic clip off of it so he could. so i would say that is the only real reason to put it there, reuse the factory antenna on the aftermarket tuner.

leftfield6

· #5 · Jan 25, 2010 (Edited)

Yoda E SC said:
i would say so he could use the factory antenna on his aftermarket tuner, but it sounds like he didnt see that he could take the little plastic clip off of it so he could. so i would say that is the only real reason to put it there, reuse the factory antenna on the aftermarket tuner.

Yoda, unless you know something I don't know (and believe me, it's possible) I didn't think you could use the factory antenna with the Pioneer module. On this pic, the antenna connection is the pink one to the left.

IIRC, the Honda plug looks nothing like that, even if the plastic clip is removed or modified.

Nonetheless, the OP still needs to buy the Pioneer module, right? And if not mounted here, where is a better place to put it?

See less See more

Alaskan_Toaster

· #6 · Jan 26, 2010

Please make sure you do a write up on the install, am curious how difficult this type of HU might be. Thinking about a replacement in my Es future....... :roll:8)

leftfield6

· #7 · Jan 26, 2010

Alaskan_Toaster said:
Please make sure you do a write up on the install, am curious how difficult this type of HU might be. Thinking about a replacement in my Es future....... :roll:8)

http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60878

Yoda E SC

· #8 · Jan 26, 2010

hiram6 said:
Yoda, unless you know something I don't know (and believe me, it's possible) I didn't think you could use the factory antenna with the Pioneer module. On this pic, the antenna connection is the pink one to the left.

IIRC, the Honda plug looks nothing like that, even if the plastic clip is removed or modified.

Nonetheless, the OP still needs to buy the Pioneer module, right? And if not mounted here, where is a better place to put it?

you have to remove the plastic clip from the factory honda antenna connector. the metal sleeve inside will slip right into the aftermarket connector. they are all the same style connector, just different keyways on the plastic part which can be removed. just saying that using the factory antenna is the only reason i would ahve went thru all the trouble of removing that panel myself, and that yes it can (has) be(en) done. ;-)

Crate Escape

· #9 · Jan 27, 2010

hiram6 said:
Nonetheless, the OP still needs to buy the Pioneer module, right? And if not mounted here, where is a better place to put it?

I removed the factory amp from behind the passenger side kick panel (replaced it with an Alpine PDX-5 mounted under the passenger seat). The Pioneer XM tuner fit perfectly in the space left behind. (I also did the hidden antenna install by running the lead up the A-pillar and across the roofline underneath the plastic cladding, but that's another story...)

leftfield6

· #10 · Jan 27, 2010

Yoda E SC said:
you have to remove the plastic clip from the factory honda antenna connector. the metal sleeve inside will slip right into the aftermarket connector. they are all the same style connector, just different keyways on the plastic part which can be removed. just saying that using the factory antenna is the only reason i would ahve went thru all the trouble of removing that panel myself, and that yes it can (has) be(en) done. ;-)

Thanks for that info Zack. I must have been tired when I looked at that connector, cause I sure didn't notice that it could have been adapted to fit. I remember a discussion in another thread about the antenna NOT working with an aftermarket tuner, but I realize now that they were dealing with a Sirius tuner, whole different animal.

I'm still glad I put the XM module back there, that panel really was super-easy to remove and replace. Since I'm keeping the factory amp, Crate Escape's suggestion of putting the XM module inside the kick panel doesn't work for me. Might have been able to shove it somewhere else inside the dash, but I like that it is solidly mounted in a place with some airspace around it. Don't think the XM box gets hot, but all electronics like a little room to breathe.

Since I've already got the Pioneer XM antenna under the roof cladding, I will likely leave things as they are. If I had known the OEM antenna worked though, I would have used that instead of running the antenna cable.

Good info for the next person who does this type of install.

See less See more

MJFinelli

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 1, 2010

Ok I was just outside looking to see how the factory cable connector will fit into the xm cable input on my pioneer head unit. It does not look like it will fit. I tried to pull off the plastic white connector but it does not seem to come off. There are snaps on it that unsnap and I can pull out the wire from the plastic.
How do I do this?? Do I need to buy some kind of adaptor??

Yoda E SC

· #12 · Feb 1, 2010

the connector behind the radio will not fit aftermarket, the antenna connector is what has been talked about.

MJFinelli

Discussion Starter · #13 · Feb 2, 2010 (Edited)

This is the factory head unit..
the white plug that says XM to the left of the green plug. Is that what you are saying ? You can take off that plastic clip and then plug that into the aftermarket head unit??

This is my after market head unit back. On the bottom right the blue female plug is where the XM cable is suppose to go.
So am i able to put the white plug from the factory head unit into the blue plug on the aftermarket head unit??
If so please tell me how??
THANK YOU ..

See less See more

2

Crate Escape

· #14 · Feb 2, 2010

The XM tuner connects to the back of the HU, and the antenna connects to the back of the tuner. You need to be looking at the connector at the back of the tuner.

The pink connector on the Pioneer tuner is called a Fakra connector, which is just a plastic housing put over a standard SMB connector. Fakra's come in different colors, each "keyed" differently (different tabs and slots so a male pink Fakra, for example, can only plug into a female pink Fakra). Each color is typically for a specific usage, although I believe this is just by common practice as opposed to in compliance with an actual standard.

Removing the Fakra housing is easy (I had to do it when I ran my antenna wire through a tiny slit I cut in the rubber connector in the door jam) and can just as easily be put back. Without the plastic housing in place, there is nothing preventing any male SMB from connection into any female SMB.

Here's where I'm going to speculate based on what others have said in this thread (since I've not actually looked at the factory tuner behind the right rear panel) but assuming the factory antenna cable has an SMB connection it would be a simple matter to remove the Fakra connector (if any) and connect the factory antenna cable to the Pioneer tuner. You should further be able to put the pink Fakra connector onto the factory antenna cable to achieve a locking connection with the Pioneer tuner. I'm interested to see if anyone can confirm this speculation.

See less See more

Yoda E SC

· #15 · Feb 2, 2010

MJFinelli said:
This is the factory head unit..
the white plug that says XM to the left of the green plug. Is that what you are saying ? You can take off that plastic clip and then plug that into the aftermarket head unit?? NO

This is my after market head unit back. On the bottom right the blue female plug is where the XM cable is suppose to go.
So am i able to put the white plug from the factory head unit into the blue plug on the aftermarket head unit?? NO
If so please tell me how??
THANK YOU ..

this is the data cable, p-bus cable, control cable, whatever you want to call it NOT the antenna cable. you cannot use the factory tuner or cabling, just the factory antenna and its cable to the factory tuner in the right rear quarterpanel.

NismoGriff

· #16 · Feb 5, 2010

Yoda E SC said:
you have to remove the plastic clip from the factory honda antenna connector. the metal sleeve inside will slip right into the aftermarket connector. they are all the same style connector, just different keyways on the plastic part which can be removed. just saying that using the factory antenna is the only reason i would ahve went thru all the trouble of removing that panel myself, and that yes it can (has) be(en) done. ;-)

I put mine back there also and I don't have a factory XM antenna. I didn't think it was that hard to remove that panel, takes about 8-10 minutes. Once I install the other amp, I will have an amp under each front seat so it couldn't go there. I have my bluetooth module inside the dash, so it couldn't go there (wouldn't fit anyway) and I don't plan on removing the factory amp (just didn't see the need to) so I couldn't put it there. I had planned on eventually (who knows if this will ever happen because I have gotten way to lazy) using the spare tire well as a sub enclosure. That doesn't really leave many other suitable spots.

njbongo

· #17 · Feb 12, 2010

Yoda E SC said:
you have to remove the plastic clip from the factory honda antenna connector. the metal sleeve inside will slip right into the aftermarket connector. they are all the same style connector, just different keyways on the plastic part which can be removed. just saying that using the factory antenna is the only reason i would ahve went thru all the trouble of removing that panel myself, and that yes it can (has) be(en) done. ;-)

I just installed the same setup in my new 2010 Element, and in the 2010 at least the factory XM antenna is NOT the same size as this Pioneer XM tuner. Even with the plastic clip removed the actual metal connector inside is a larger diameter then the connector on the tuner and will not fit.

I wanted to mount the new tuner in the right rear anyway, so I'm not real upset about it, just an FYI.

MJFinelli

Discussion Starter · #18 · Mar 2, 2010

so does my factory XM have a tuner? if so i can use that with my 700bt? if i need a cable to run from my new radio to the tuner what cable do i use?

Yoda E SC

· #19 · Mar 2, 2010

MJFinelli said:
so does my factory XM have a tuner? if so i can use that with my 700bt? if i need a cable to run from my new radio to the tuner what cable do i use?

no it will not work with anything but the factory radio

sprhnl

· #20 · Jun 27, 2015

Yoda E SC said:
no it will not work with anything but the factory radio

Is it a unique (propriatory) setup? IE not built to a IEEE standard. It would be nice to see a pinout of it. Not saying you can provide that, just wishing.

1 - 20 of 20 Posts

This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.