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Would you prefer this guy as your friend WITH OR WITHOUT the mole?



The typical answer would be "I would be his friend no matter what he looked like".

But comon' if you had a choice, what would you prefer?

All they would have to do is stamp all the holes, then attach a plate through the holes with industry standard techniques. Those who don't mind it would leave it there. The rest of us could drill it off. Everybody happy.
 

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...there once were two kingdoms who were neighbors. One kingdom cracked their soft boiled eggs open from the top. the other from the bottom (or was it the side). They went to war, and tied up Traveling Gulliver until he agreed to help.

The End


....and that's my opinion, but I'm not stressed about it. :?
 

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As a proud owner of the reflective hexagon grill, the logo doesn't bother me too much, but if I had a choice, I would have placed it up against an edge.

It really does stand out in the pattern, especially in the holes or hexes.

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We are making a big deal out of nothing. No company with any pride is going to remove their logo from their well designed product because some folks don't like the looks of it.

I also don't understand all of this nonsense about it looking like a mole on someones face. Utter nonsense. I personally don't think the logo looks bad at all.

Just make your own grill guard if you are that picky about every detail.

Also, what is this talk about the name CloudRider being a subversive religious symbol or saying? Sounds like we are falling into the bottomless pit of political correctness.
 

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This thread was to be a clean-cut "poll" to have people vote whether they like prefer the product with or without the logo.

(Unfortunately, you can't post a "poll" in the appropriate forum for the topic.)

Instead of people answering the question I asked, the thread has become a murky barrage of opinions.

The mole post was to make a point about the question I asked to get the thread back-on-track. Didn't work, at least I tried.

jayharley, your post was just another example. You did not answer the question I asked, just like everyone else.

[quote:778157e145="jayharley"]We are making a big deal out of nothing. No company with any pride is going to remove their logo from their well designed product because some folks don't like the looks of it.

I also don't understand all of this nonsense about it looking like a mole on someones face. Utter nonsense. I personally don't think the logo looks bad at all.

Just make your own grill guard if you are that picky about every detail.

Also, what is this talk about the name CloudRider being a subversive religious symbol or saying? Sounds like we are falling into the bottomless pit of political correctness.[/quote:778157e145]
 

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[quote:99ca9d16e7="E-Rich"][quote:99ca9d16e7="divco-honda"]There is a connotation meant to the words cloud-rider by the way!

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???what is it?[/quote:99ca9d16e7]

Is this it? (Found on the internet with a google search)

For instance, the Bible often depicts the Lord as riding a cloud (Ps. 18:7-15, 68:4, 104:3; Nahum 1:3). We might learn from a commentary that Israel’s neighbors frequently pictured the god Baal riding a cloud chariot into battle. As we place the biblical image in the light of the ancient Near East, we realize that God’s cloud is a chariot that He rides into war. When we turn to the New Testament and see that Jesus also is a cloud rider (Mt. 24:30, Rev. 1:7), we understand that this is not a white, fluffy cloud, but a storm cloud that He rides into judgment. Furthermore, we now sense that the use of the image was an appeal to those Israelites who worshipped the wrong god, Baal, to come back and worship the true cloud rider, the Lord.

So the grill inserts could just as well say "Jesus Christ"? Or imply that the grill, the car, or it's driver is the Lord?

Hmmm, I could see how that could bother a few people... this makes my decision stronger not to buy it with the logo.
 

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[quote:2a2dc10ca1="Einstein"]This thread was to be a clean-cut "poll" to have people vote whether they like prefer the product with or without the logo.

jayharley, your post was just another example. You did not answer the question I asked, just like everyone else.
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Your original post asked for opinons if a person would like CloudRider to take off, or leave on their logo. It was not a poll nor was it presented like a poll. You asked for opinons and I gave mine. Not a big deal, really. If you would like me to condense my viewpoint: CloudRider should leave their logo where it is.
 

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[quote:e2b7e484d2="Einstein"]As a potential consumer, what would you prefer? With or without?[/quote:e2b7e484d2]

The thread was titled a poll, this was the poll question. I explained the background for the poll and my vote.

I don't mind people giving their opinion, in fact I invite it. But nobody is answering the freakin question.

If you want to read more into it, be my guest. But why would you want to crash the poll with your judgement, and take it off topic with your viewpoint of whether or not it is a poll or something else? Yes it's true I have a personal agenda: to get Cloud Rider to consider making a version without the flat spot, then I would buy one!

Consumers have the right to decide how they want the product, and vote with their money. But sometimes, especially with smaller companies, market research is just not part of the budget. So companies have no solid data regarding customer preferences (which might make the difference between a purchase and a pass). All I was doing was trying to provide a piece of market research for Cloud Rider to consider if they choose to do so. I have the feeling I'm not the only one to have this preference, I just wanted to find out how many others do as well. If I'm the only one, then certainly Cloud Rider is not going to make a special grill for me.

Certainly they care about their consumer's pleasure with their product as much as they care about advertising their product in a way that (in my opinion) detracts from the quality of the product.

Not everybody shares my opinion, some feel completely opposite. This does not mean that those who have a different viewpoint should post demeaning comments that the whole thread being nonsense. It's discourteous, inappropriate, and has no beneficial result.

I'm going to post a "REAL POLL" in the poll central area, so I can collect the data I was originally looking for. You can go to the poll by CLICKING HERE

[quote:e2b7e484d2="mborkow"]i agree with jayharley. this was not a poll but rather an agenda[/quote:e2b7e484d2]
[quote:e2b7e484d2="jayharley"]Your original post asked for opinons if a person would like CloudRider to take off, or leave on their logo. It was not a poll nor was it presented like a poll. You asked for opinons and I gave mine. Not a big deal, really. If you would like me to condense my viewpoint: CloudRider should leave their logo where it is.[/quote:e2b7e484d2]
 

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thx for making me look more closely at this company.

Personally, I have a strong aversion to wearing other people's advertising. If I buy a product, there has been a fair exchange of cash for product, and I should not have to advertise their brand if I do not want to.

So, to answer your question, I would prefer the product without the logo.

OTOH, there are clearly many people who enjoy wearing other people's logos on their vehicles or their clothing... just not my style...

However, now that I have researched the company a little more closely, I for one will NOT buy any products from them, as I object to the manner in which they choose to carry out their religious 'mission' through projection of their brand. There is something frankly distasteful about this subversive form of religious commercialisation.... and before anyone jumps in... I'm not expressing an opinion for or against any religious group... I just find Cloud-Rider's methods to be questionable.
 

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my point is that manufacturers in general do put their names on their products. asking them not to is sort of silly. additionally, einstein really has another agenda here. he has stated that he would never buy their product until he saw scientific evidence that grill did not hamper the air flow to the engine. cloud rider has not presented that data therefore einstein will still not buy their product (according to his own words). i am not sure why he is interested in taking a shot at cloud rider, but it sure seems like he is and his protesting just makes it seem more so (seriously he has said so on this site as well as other 'e' sites).
 

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I estimate that the "NEW" hexagonal Cloud Rider product has adequate airflow, because it appears to have similar to or better than the measured product when it comes to open area.

At the time I said I would not consider the product without airflow data, the "slotted" version was the only one available. I would like proof because it appears significantly more restrictive. Also, I don't like the slotted version as much either because I believe large debris could still get in. I thought about this as I looked at the shape of items (mostly bugs) "that other" grill was able to stop.

I like to see the new offerings Cloud Rider has, evidently they are striving to please a wide range of people and care about the quality of their products.

I have nothing against Cloud Rider. You'll notice I DID NOT participate in that other thread (and on any board) where somebody outright questioned the quality of the product (thin, etc). If I was out to serve some agenda, wouldn't you think I would have jumped right in? No, I strive to be 100% objective, I do my best not to amplify or smother other people's opinions.

[quote:cfcfc561cb="mborkow"]einstein really has another agenda here. he has stated that he would never buy their product until he saw scientific evidence that grill did not hamper the air flow to the engine. cloud rider has not presented that data therefore einstein will still not buy their product (according to his own words). i am not sure why he is interested in taking a shot at cloud rider, but it sure seems like he is and his protesting just makes it seem more so (seriously he has said so on this site as well as other 'e' sites).[/quote:cfcfc561cb]
 

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shape of the holes in the grill does not matter, but surface area does. i think that cloud rider stated that for both grills surface area is the same therefore the hexagonal one will be no more or less restrictive than the slotted one.
 

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I didn't get the memo you did.

My % open area was based on scaling a close-up picture of the slotted version. I have not done this with the hex version, for I have yet to come across a close-up.

I assume the open area would be better on their hexagonal product, because a naturally shorter interconnect distance should allow the individual connecting members to be narrower. Plus it looks more open.

[quote:78b0f90316="mborkow"]shape of the holes in the grill does not matter, but surface area does. i think that cloud rider stated that for both grills surface area is the same therefore the hexagonal one will be no more or less restrictive than the slotted one.[/quote:78b0f90316]
 

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I didn't get the memo you did
you mean that the surface area for both grills is the same? i know i saw that posted someplace, but i am not sure if it was on this site, one of the other sites, or in an email (i had a bunch of personal email about the grill before i bought it). now, that being said, just because i saw it posted doesn't make it the truth...
 

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When you find out, please post! I'm very interested to know. :)

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I didn't get the memo you did
you mean that the surface area for both grills is the same? i know i saw that posted someplace, but i am not sure if it was on this site, one of the other sites, or in an email (i had a bunch of personal email about the grill before i bought it). now, that being said, just because i saw it posted doesn't make it the truth...[/quote:ae882d1e99]
 

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[quote:0183e7174e="Einstein"] Also, I don't like the slotted version as much either because I believe large debris could still get in. I thought about this as I looked at the shape of items (mostly bugs) "that other" grill was able to stop.[/quote:0183e7174e]

If you think that the slotted CloudRider lets in too much debris but it restricts airflow because the openings are too small, then wouldn't the hexagonal version let in more debris because the holes are bigger?
 
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