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Does anyone have a few photos of a Honda Element with a leaking rack and pinion that they can share? I have been told that my 2003 EX with 150k miles needs a replacement. Doesn't seem far fetched, but when I look under my car I don't see a leak. But maybe if I saw an actual Element photo and compared apples to apples I might see the problem. Can't seem to find one on the forum.

Does anyone know how long it would take for a dealership to complete this? I'm seeing $1,000 of labor in my quote and from what I understand it's a 2 to 3 hour job. The part is $870 new from Honda. Any insight?

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Steering seems fine to me. But they put it as a FAIL status on the estimate which alarms me. Especially coming from a Honda dealership. Didn't notice any fluid, but maybe I'm looking in the incorrect spot. Would the leak only be by the wheels? Or could it be on the entire rack?
 

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I would like to follow up and say that I got a second opinion from another Honda dealership on my rack and pinion. The second dealership told me the rack and pinion was fine. Moral of the story, make sure you get a second opinion on big ticket stuff.

For anyone who is interested, you can get a brand new OEM rack and pinion for about $800-$870. You can also get a refurbished one for $700, which they will push extremely hard with a 3 year warranty. I recommend a new one, because what are the chances you will need a third rack and pinion? So the beauty of a 3 year warranty seems like a joke to me. I'll take the new part please.

I truly believe you can get the OEM rack and pinion for about $600 if Honda does the work. There is a ton of wiggle room in this one.
 

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Another plug for doing the flush anyway if you haven't already. The PS fluid is one of the rare bargains from Honda. When I bought my E I thought the low speed centering/return was a bit stiff. Fluid was dark. Did the flush-I just use a hand pump and replace the reservoir fluid until it is clean with drive cycles between (I can't make myself run a hydraulic pump dry per the service manual procedure). Takes a bit more fluid but still cheap and tidy. Amazingly, the centering/return feel got much better.
 

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The actual problem

I would like to follow up and say that I got a second opinion from another Honda dealership on my rack and pinion. The second dealership told me the rack and pinion was fine. Moral of the story, make sure you get a second opinion on big ticket stuff.
So what ended up being the problem?
 

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This is good to know. I've been told that I need the rack replaced as it steers very loose to the left while fine to the right. Could very well be the rack itself that needs replacing, but I'll get a second opinion just in case!
 

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So what ended up being the problem?

the only problem in this thread is he did not NAME the honda dealer who tried to rip him off, and I would have provided dealer #1 with dealer #2s statement about there was no problem, and sent it to Honda also. I used to work for a dealer (not honda) and all they want to do is rip people off!! From the sales dept to the service, JOB1 is rip off the customer, sad but true.
 

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Knew there was an issue when they quoted you $1000 for 2 to 3 hours labor. New Honda labor rate = $333-500/hr?
 

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I rarely go to see the dealers anymore due to the incredible price difference between them, non-dealer garages and then just getting the parts and doing the work yourself.

I replaced the wiper motor last summer for a grand total of $35. Honda wanted also $200 just for the part?? Madness...

Plus, taking the frontend panels off is kinda fun. :-D
 
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