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For pre-2007 (I think) models, the immobilizer chip is different than the one included in the Ridgeline key, and must therefore be switched out.
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Hello. I bought this key remote online to replace key and fob for my '06 element.
Dealer said it would not work...from what I understand from this thread the immobilized is different...how do I switch immobilizer from one key to the remote key?
Remote key looks easy to pop open, but the old key????
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Dealer said it would not work...from what I understand from this thread the immobilized is different...how do I switch immobilizer from one key to the remote key?
Remote key looks easy to pop open, but the old key????
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Hello. I bought this key remote online to replace key and fob for my '06 element.
Dealer said it would not work...from what I understand from this thread the immobilized is different...how do I switch immobilizer from one key to the remote key?
Remote key looks easy to pop open, but the old key????
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Ok nevermind I just watched video. That sux.
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Perhaps the "stealership" dig wouldn't be there if the attitude was "we don't know if that'll work" instead of "that won't work". You certainly didn't help bring goodwill by claiming you'd raise the price 50% (in effect, stealing) or being out of stock when you aren't (stealing time)...
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Key works great from Ken Garff Honda in Salt Lake City Utah
I just went today and worked with the staff at the Ken Garff Honda dealership in downtown Salt Lake City. Using the parts number posted on here 35111-SHJ-305, I called ahead and talked to Parts to confirm they had it in stock. When I checked in with Service, they were somewhat skeptical but willing to try it. This was for my 2008 4wd lx mt.
My situation was further complicated by the fact that the ignition switch had been replaced in my Element, so that I have a different key for the ignition vs. the doors (thus I really wanted to get set up with a fob to avoid carrying two keys!) They were willing to try it. It helped that I had the part number and had already talked to Parts instead of walking in and asking for a Ridgeline key. I also told them that the element owners club had many reports of people doing this.
It worked! The staff that helped me were Jill Boyson (service advisor) and Rob (tech, did not get his last name). If anyone else needs to do this at SLC dealer, ask for them as they may remember this situation.
It was $65 for the key and $70 for programming. I didn't try to do an eBay deal. It was worth it to me to just get it done.
I just went today and worked with the staff at the Ken Garff Honda dealership in downtown Salt Lake City. Using the parts number posted on here 35111-SHJ-305, I called ahead and talked to Parts to confirm they had it in stock. When I checked in with Service, they were somewhat skeptical but willing to try it. This was for my 2008 4wd lx mt.
My situation was further complicated by the fact that the ignition switch had been replaced in my Element, so that I have a different key for the ignition vs. the doors (thus I really wanted to get set up with a fob to avoid carrying two keys!) They were willing to try it. It helped that I had the part number and had already talked to Parts instead of walking in and asking for a Ridgeline key. I also told them that the element owners club had many reports of people doing this.
It worked! The staff that helped me were Jill Boyson (service advisor) and Rob (tech, did not get his last name). If anyone else needs to do this at SLC dealer, ask for them as they may remember this situation.
It was $65 for the key and $70 for programming. I didn't try to do an eBay deal. It was worth it to me to just get it done.
I bought this Key for my Element + 25,- cutting by Locksmith + 80,- programming by Honda-Dealer.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/ALLin1-KEY-...FOB-CLICKER-/361392015710?hash=item5424a4895e
Works fine on my 2009 SC.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/ALLin1-KEY-...FOB-CLICKER-/361392015710?hash=item5424a4895e
Works fine on my 2009 SC.
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I think I read too many key threads and I'm confused. I bought this 07 Element used, and only have 1 original key and remote fob. I want to make a full Ridgeline style set (2 Master, 1 Valet).
1. I understand "35111-SHJ-305" is the correct blank key for the Master keys.
2. I understand I can program the buttons on the blank Master keys myself, or let dealer.
I had to replace my current fob once, so I have programmed a fob successfully already.
3. I understand the dealer or an auto locksmith needs to cut the blank Master keys.
How do they get the "pattern" to cut the key?
4. How do I get a Valet key made since it is a different pattern, and I don't have the original valet key?
5. Only the dealer can program the immobilizer chip in all the keys? No third party, or me?
less important:
6. Is here a "grey" Valet key in Ridgeline style? Buttons on key, not on FOB?
7. Will my current Element key and FOB still work? Immobilizer speaking? That would total 4 key/immobilizer/remotes. 3 Master, 1 Valet.
Help is appreciated.
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I think I read too many key threads and I'm confused. I bought this 07 Element used, and only have 1 original key and remote fob. I want to make a full Ridgeline style set (2 Master, 1 Valet).
1. I understand "35111-SHJ-305" is the correct blank key for the Master keys.
2. I understand I can program the buttons on the blank Master keys myself, or let dealer.
I had to replace my current fob once, so I have programmed a fob successfully already.
3. I understand the dealer or an auto locksmith needs to cut the blank Master keys.
How do they get the "pattern" to cut the key?
4. How do I get a Valet key made since it is a different pattern, and I don't have the original valet key?
5. Only the dealer can program the immobilizer chip in all the keys? No third party, or me?
less important:
6. Is here a "grey" Valet key in Ridgeline style? Buttons on key, not on FOB?
7. Will my current Element key and FOB still work? Immobilizer speaking? That would total 4 key/immobilizer/remotes. 3 Master, 1 Valet.
Help is appreciated.
The dealer and locksmiths (if they have access) will cut they key with the key code. The dealer will get the code from Honda using the vin number. The valet only differs slightly from the master key. You can actually recut a valet key into a master. I did that with mine at work. You use the same code but program the the cutter for a master instaed of valet.
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Not sure how I missed it before, but it looks like the Ridgeline Valet key is the same design as the Element Valet key. No buttons, just plain key, but grey color.
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My 2006 Element only has one key and remote so I'd like to get another one for it. I like the minimal bulk of the all-in-one key and so that sounds like a great idea. After having a look at some of the other threads about this mod, I saw a link posted to a website that lists the different systems used in Honda models.
This thread (and a few others) talks about the Ridgeline keys being directly programmable starting in 2007 when the Element immobilizer system changes to Type 11 CAN "V" and matches those of the Ridgelines, according to that website. For Es prior to 2007, the threads indicate that directly programming the keys will not work because the immobilizer for Elements is a Type 3 while the Ridgeline is a Type 4 "V".
For example, this thread specifically about 2006 Elements attempting this mod contains people saying that the Ridgeline keys were not able to be programmed by the dealership. But the posters do not say which year the key for the Ridgeline was from. Those posts were from 2009—the same year the Ridgeline keys switched to immobilizer Type 11 CAN "V".
BUT, that website I linked above lists the the immobilizer for a 2006 Element as a Type 4 "V". That seems to suggest that a chip from a 2003-2008 Accord/2005-2006 Odyssey/2006-2008 Pilot/2005-2008 Ridgeline should be directly programmable to work.
Am I misunderstanding the information on that website about the immobilizer systems? Is the information on the website is incorrect for 2006 Elements? Has anyone tried to directly program a key compatible with one of those models? If so, did it work?
If one of the keys from those other models is not directly programmable, and I understand correctly, to use the Ridgeline key I will need to:
1. Purchase a 2006 Element compatible key online or from the dealership;
2. Have the dealership program the chip in that key to my E;
3. Purchase a Ridgeline key either online or from the dealership and have it cut;
4. Remove the newly programmed chip from the 2006 Element key and place it into the Ridgeline key;
5. Program the remote.
This thread (and a few others) talks about the Ridgeline keys being directly programmable starting in 2007 when the Element immobilizer system changes to Type 11 CAN "V" and matches those of the Ridgelines, according to that website. For Es prior to 2007, the threads indicate that directly programming the keys will not work because the immobilizer for Elements is a Type 3 while the Ridgeline is a Type 4 "V".
For example, this thread specifically about 2006 Elements attempting this mod contains people saying that the Ridgeline keys were not able to be programmed by the dealership. But the posters do not say which year the key for the Ridgeline was from. Those posts were from 2009—the same year the Ridgeline keys switched to immobilizer Type 11 CAN "V".
BUT, that website I linked above lists the the immobilizer for a 2006 Element as a Type 4 "V". That seems to suggest that a chip from a 2003-2008 Accord/2005-2006 Odyssey/2006-2008 Pilot/2005-2008 Ridgeline should be directly programmable to work.
Am I misunderstanding the information on that website about the immobilizer systems? Is the information on the website is incorrect for 2006 Elements? Has anyone tried to directly program a key compatible with one of those models? If so, did it work?
If one of the keys from those other models is not directly programmable, and I understand correctly, to use the Ridgeline key I will need to:
1. Purchase a 2006 Element compatible key online or from the dealership;
2. Have the dealership program the chip in that key to my E;
3. Purchase a Ridgeline key either online or from the dealership and have it cut;
4. Remove the newly programmed chip from the 2006 Element key and place it into the Ridgeline key;
5. Program the remote.
many aftermarket suppliers get the model year break incorrect. the break for the Element was between 2006 and 2007 models. although some of those 2007 models may have been sold in 2006, they are not official 2006 models.
to use a Ridgeline key with a 2006 Element, you program the vehicle to accept the Ridgeline key fob as a valid fob for remotely operating the locks. (during this programming, all keys must be present to win, you have to program every key you plan to use, because the first step of the process essentially tells the vehicle to forget about past key fobs.) one then has the key cut to work with the physical locks. and then one sacrifices a key that already works with the vehicle and cuts it open to obtain the RFID chip/pill. then the Ridgeline key is opened (as one would to replace the battery) and the RFID chip/pill is removed and replaced with the chip/pill obtained from a working key. no reprogramming of the vehicle is required because the vehicle immobilizer already has been programmed (since the key was already working). the donor key, that no longer has an RFID chip/pill will no longer start the Element, but it will still work the doors/hatch, therefore making it a good hide-a-key or a key that you're not afraid to take in the water or elsewhere.
so, i'm basically repeating/confirming your analysis of what needs to be done, in different words.
to use a Ridgeline key with a 2006 Element, you program the vehicle to accept the Ridgeline key fob as a valid fob for remotely operating the locks. (during this programming, all keys must be present to win, you have to program every key you plan to use, because the first step of the process essentially tells the vehicle to forget about past key fobs.) one then has the key cut to work with the physical locks. and then one sacrifices a key that already works with the vehicle and cuts it open to obtain the RFID chip/pill. then the Ridgeline key is opened (as one would to replace the battery) and the RFID chip/pill is removed and replaced with the chip/pill obtained from a working key. no reprogramming of the vehicle is required because the vehicle immobilizer already has been programmed (since the key was already working). the donor key, that no longer has an RFID chip/pill will no longer start the Element, but it will still work the doors/hatch, therefore making it a good hide-a-key or a key that you're not afraid to take in the water or elsewhere.
so, i'm basically repeating/confirming your analysis of what needs to be done, in different words.
i believe there is a limit on the number of keys that the vehicle immobilizer will accept. obviously, it has to accept 3 (2 master, 1 valet) but i'm not sure it will accept 4 (3 master, 1 valet).
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Hmmmm. Thanks for the reply, nacranym.
I did a bit more searching and found a Honda Service Bulletin (02-053) that indicates that the 2007-2011 Elements have a Type 4 immobilizer system in contrast to the website I linked in my post saying they are using a Type 11 CAN "V" (not that I know the difference). I'd link the service bulletin but I think that would mean my post would require moderator approval again.
According to another document that I found created by Advanced Diagnostics in 2010 (an Ilco sister company that does automotive programming equipment, it looks like) the 2006 Element either uses a Type 3 or Type 4 immobilizer system. I can't tell if the ending year is inclusive or exclusive from the document. I think this goes to your point about 2007 models sold in 2006? Considering that the Ridgeline, according to the Honda Service Bulletin, are Type 4 from 20016-2013 it would seem that 2006 Elements are Type 3 systems since the Ridgeline keys don't natively work with the 2006 Element as per a previously linked thread.
Since there are websites that sell keys and remotes that are compatible with other Honda models for specific years, I'm just curious as to whether or not I can use an all-in-one style key for another Honda model that uses a Type 3 immobilizer system (like a 2003 Odyssey or a 2005 CR-V). It doesn't have to be a Ridgeline key, just any all-in-one style would work for me. Then, have the dealership directly program it to work with the Element rather than using the established but seemingly messy and more expensive Ridgeline way already outlined for pre-2007 Elements.
I did a bit more searching and found a Honda Service Bulletin (02-053) that indicates that the 2007-2011 Elements have a Type 4 immobilizer system in contrast to the website I linked in my post saying they are using a Type 11 CAN "V" (not that I know the difference). I'd link the service bulletin but I think that would mean my post would require moderator approval again.
According to another document that I found created by Advanced Diagnostics in 2010 (an Ilco sister company that does automotive programming equipment, it looks like) the 2006 Element either uses a Type 3 or Type 4 immobilizer system. I can't tell if the ending year is inclusive or exclusive from the document. I think this goes to your point about 2007 models sold in 2006? Considering that the Ridgeline, according to the Honda Service Bulletin, are Type 4 from 20016-2013 it would seem that 2006 Elements are Type 3 systems since the Ridgeline keys don't natively work with the 2006 Element as per a previously linked thread.
Since there are websites that sell keys and remotes that are compatible with other Honda models for specific years, I'm just curious as to whether or not I can use an all-in-one style key for another Honda model that uses a Type 3 immobilizer system (like a 2003 Odyssey or a 2005 CR-V). It doesn't have to be a Ridgeline key, just any all-in-one style would work for me. Then, have the dealership directly program it to work with the Element rather than using the established but seemingly messy and more expensive Ridgeline way already outlined for pre-2007 Elements.
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all honda romotes are the same i believe. the only difference are the immobilizer chips inside. i remember ebay vendors selling some when i bought my ridgeline key. some vendors sold them with or without chips and different types too. i bought mine with a chip but i took out a chip from one of my originals and put it in instead. dont have to pay for programing. also i wanted to stash one outside my car for when i lock my keys inside. it won't need to drive the car just open the doors so won't need a chip. good luck figuring out the different types of chips.
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Whoops, that's what I was trying to say by referring to websites selling remotes compatible with other Honda models. Sorry, I wasn't very precise in my language :/
Yeah, if I had two sets of keys then that would work since I wouldn't mind cannabilizing one of them! I'm just thinking that it doesn't make sense to pay for the dealership to program a regular Element key only to cannibalize it to toss the chip in the Ridgeline key if I can instead find another all-in-one key with a compatible chip that can be directly programmed. Maybe it's not possible but I'd like to find out!
That's smart. I do have a key that only does the doors, where did you stash yours?
As with many in this thread, I am trying to get a ridgeline all in one key working with my E. I have a 2005, so I know I need to switch out the immobilizers. When I had the dealer cut the ridgeline key, it doesnt turn the ignition, and they said it is because of the immobilizer chip. Does this sound correct?
It is my understanding that the immobilizer would just prevent the car from starting. If the key was cut correctly, it would turn the ignition, but not start.
I'm prepared to cut apart a working key to transplant into my ridgeline key, but want to confirm the operation of the ridgeline key first.
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It is my understanding that the immobilizer would just prevent the car from starting. If the key was cut correctly, it would turn the ignition, but not start.
I'm prepared to cut apart a working key to transplant into my ridgeline key, but want to confirm the operation of the ridgeline key first.
Thanks
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it should turn the ignition even if the chip inside it isn't programmed yet. when i tooi k the chip out of one of my og keys, i tested the key in the ignition without chip and it turned it fine but the engine never fired up. i also found that the chip needed to be put extremely close to the key and slot in order for the engine to fire. another thing i noticed is the green key light will blink if no chip is nearby. when the dealer cut my ridgeline key (15$) the newly cut key got stuck in the ignition and i had to yank hard to get it out. after a few slides in and out it doesn't get stuck now. that makes me think maybe there is an edge preventing the ignition to turn. could be a super minute difference. can you compare next to an original?
my dealer required me to have my keycode or vin# and verification it was my car in order for me to get it cut. did you do that or did they just copy one of your og keys?
my dealer required me to have my keycode or vin# and verification it was my car in order for me to get it cut. did you do that or did they just copy one of your og keys?
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