OK all done my research and the majority of Honda Dealers here are pricing them at invoice if you talk serious. There was one dealer that was totally crazy today (nothing new for Honda dealers) gave me the whole set of guilt speaches and when the GM came over to talk sense into me he pull all the amateur sales tricks on me (acting like he couldnt say my name and making a little joke out of for introduction (classic way to make people feel inferior) he also kept saying you want to buy the car dont you? ( I could care less my job isnt buying cars I can wait until someone will seel it to me your job is selling them) Well gone on long enough about him what a jerk! Dealer in Rancho Santa Margarita (not naming names just locations)has always caused me issues. Also all of the sudden a lot of 4WD EX manuals showed up there are like 8 locally! So now to color am I hip enough to go with Orange? Or just stay silver or Mist? Cant stand the green hate the interior.