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Alright I bought an insight, I turned in my old horse a 2001 f150 which has seen better days. Its value is less then the $4500 clunker rebate, (thank you fellow tax payers) I am replacing the f150 with the E(for hauling and 4wd for snow) and the insight is replacing a escort which I drove into the ground and originally was replaced by my E for an outstanding trade in.

At any rate I am looking for other insight owners, and in particularity an outlet such as this one, an insight owners club per say.
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I will state this right now I could care less about stopping and hugging a tree, carbon foot prints, driving a "hybrid", or a hyper milers(I had friend injured severely by a local hyper miler who was driving 70 MPH on a 55 MPH road with his large suv shut off to save some gas).

I bought the car because its a honda, and it gets great mileage. But I am equally aware that it is different, so i am open to peoples experiences with them(older insights as well).

So I am looking for anyone else who has bought one and their experience thus far, quarks, complaints, problems etc.

Also anything I should expect or find as different compared to a standard vehicle.

I bought the EX model so I could have cruise, for anyone who maybe looking at the insight I will say that you should drive the EX and the LX they seem in the couple cars that I drove completely different. My only other thing is that I cannot figure the need for the paddle shifters and the fake shifting(EX).
I take delivery on Tuesday.

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I hear tale direct from Honda that the mileage on the Hybrid Civics is actually better than the insight...
I have first hand knowledge to the contrary, I was getting short term mileage of of 49.8 with the LX and the EX which the salesperson drove at first(pretty hard), was getting 46.5 MPG. He did say that the civic had more power available(i think its around 15 HP) but that the interior layout sucked and it was also about $3000 more for a similarly equipped vehicle with older technology. I cannot say that I drove one, I have driven a new regular civic, and to me it was just like any other civic. Honda, for what ever reason has gotten there EPA mileage conservativly rated, I am not sure why or who that worked out for the insight. Watching several utube reports and reviews all have said that its getting better mileage then the epa estimates. If I drive it like a idiot all the time i can see it only getting middle to low 30's if not worse, its possible sport mode which is maybe why the range on the sticker says 35-65 MPG for some drivers.
Not sure if the civic has the sport mode or eco mode for that matter.
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Congrats on the Insight! Didn't know it had a sport mode, interesting. Have any pics of the Eco-friendly machine?
 

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Congrats. Look forward to hearing of your experience with the Insight if you wouldn't mind letting us EOC'ers in on it.
 

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Congrats on your Insight! :) My parents bought a 2010 Insight at the end of May and we have been loving it ever since. I had studied the Insight for quite a while (even before we knew we would be needing a new car) so when we walked into the dealer to test drive one I knew a lot about the car already. We have no complaints about it and have, thankfully, had no problems. We are currently getting around 44 mpg.

In2steam, what color is your Insight?

Here is a pic of ours:
 

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I have not taken delivery as of this second, it is pending financing and me taking care of a couple of things on my f150. I should have it weds evening at the latest.
Its silver metallic (alabaster silver?) I would have preferred the polished metal metallic a gray metallic color but they sold the last one a few hours before, and that one had a black interior, why anyone would actually want a black cloth interior is beyond me. Silver is my second choice and probably in the long run better for me as its going to be out doors 24/7 and near my kids.

According to my sales rep the clunkers deal was going to be done on or around the 22nd at current rates of sales. They did not expect to have any insights left by then, they were running low on every thing else that qualified.
My only real complaint is that you cannot get adults of 5'8 or taller in the back seats. So hopefully my teenagers will not grow too much, or I just have to stuff them in there and maybe they will grow like banzai trees!
At any rate thats what the E is for anyway its the "grocery getter" the insight is going to be the paycheck getter.

mumbler, are those mixed driving miles, highway, city, and what kind of terrain?

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I have not taken delivery as of this second, it is pending financing and me taking care of a couple of things on my f150. I should have it weds evening at the latest.
Its silver metallic (alabaster silver?) I would have preferred the polished metal metallic a gray metallic color but they sold the last one a few hours before, and that one had a black interior, why anyone would actually want a black cloth interior is beyond me. Silver is my second choice and probably in the long run better for me as its going to be out doors 24/7 and near my kids.

According to my sales rep the clunkers deal was going to be done on or around the 22nd at current rates of sales. They did not expect to have any insights left by then, they were running low on every thing else that qualified.
My only real complaint is that you cannot get adults of 5'8 or taller in the back seats. So hopefully my teenagers will not grow too much, or I just have to stuff them in there and maybe they will grow like banzai trees!
At any rate thats what the E is for anyway its the "grocery getter" the insight is going to be the paycheck getter.

mumbler, are those mixed driving miles, highway, city, and what kind of terrain?

Chris
Yes, Alabaster Silver Metallic is the name. Nice color :) And I agree with you about black interiors in cars!

Our mileage is mixed city and highway, but mostly city driving with tons of red lights and traffic (we live in a suburb of Washington DC with lots of commuters and traffic). The terrain is fairly flat, but there are some serious hills that we have to climb pretty often, and our driveway is one of those hills (200 ft uphill).
 

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44 with mixed driving, thats good to know. I will be nearly all highway at 60 mph with around 3200 a month daily driving. To my work are only a few hills and only 3 stops in the middle of the night so I won't be doing much stop and go. With my f150 thats about 250 gallons over a month. If (thats an if) I get 55 mpg which I kinda expect to I will be dropping to around 60 gallons a month. the I am pretty sure gas will go back up to 3.25 a gallon before the end of the year locally. Thats a savings of 503 at current rates of gas locally and 625 at $3.25. To be fair I have not been driving my f150 at all, other then when needed, like when the E is out of town. My wife will be starting school which is equally as far away from my work in the opposite direction. Right now I am only at 1200 miles a month or so, but I am anticipating higher miles very soon.
I will miss my truck but I have to be practical and given the current administration I need to hold onto my job for dear life and cannot afford any break downs. I have already lost my job recently because of the economy and don't want to do that again.
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My business partner's girlfriend just picked up an 09 Civic Hybrid. I think she drives about 35-40 each way to work and it's kind of mixed driving. Ya know, drive through town to get to the toll road, drive the toll road, drive through town to get to the office. She's getting 48 mpg.

I road in it for the first time the other night and although to me it road nothing like a Civic, it felt MUCH nicer and was MUCH more quiet, there are some things about the hybrid drive system that I found annoying. I could feel the motor disengaging and reengaging....felt kind of like a surge in the driveline. I could understand that if I was behind the wheel and maybe felt it transmit through the steering wheel and pedal, but I was sitting in the passenger seat. Also, there is a light on the dash that flashes 'auto stop' when the motor does shut down. Unless it's my turn signal, I find flashing lights on the dash annoying. I understand it's purpose, but does it have to be as big as it is AND flash :confused: Don't get me wrong, it's a nice car and I am sure the fuel savings will be great....just some little annoyances that I noticed in my 20 minute ride to a restaurant.

Enjoy your Insight and your extra cash ;-)
 

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I did not notice the auto stop light come on during m test drives but the steering wheel is in the way a little, but I also had the ac on high. The engine did cut out once or twice but I cannot say I noticed any jerks or clunks. Although the civic has a larger motor then the insight so it might make a little difference.
 

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Some days I notice the autostop more than others. It was a little strange at first, but now I barely pay any attention to it. My friends and family always remark about how quiet the car is in general, but it is absolutely silent when the engine shuts off and they seem to be complete in awe of the silence :cool:

In2steam, it sounds like you have driving conditions that will probably work in your favor as far as mpg goes. I would be interested to know what your mpg is once you take possession of your Insight :)
 

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My business partner's girlfriend just picked up an 09 Civic Hybrid. ... She's getting 48 mpg.

I road in it for the first time the other night and although to me it road nothing like a Civic, it felt MUCH nicer and was MUCH more quiet, there are some things about the hybrid drive system that I found annoying. I could feel the motor disengaging and reengaging....felt kind of like a surge in the driveline. ...
This is my experience ('07), too. First, ~50 mpg. Second, the surge - it's most noticeable in mild downhill-uphill transitions, as the engine changes from pseudo-shutdown (fuel shutoff during coasting) to slight on-throttle when it sees the grade.

I like my Civic well enough, but it is what it is for me - a fuel-sipping commuter vehicle. We take the E on long trips and errand running. Not to take away from in2steam's anticipation, I test drove an Insight and was not impressed - too little difference in price from the Civic to warrant the sacrifices.

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...when the engine shuts off and they seem to be complete in awe of the silence...
That's when my goofiness kicks-in with, "OMYGOSH, the engine just quit!". :D
 

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This is my experience ('07), too. First, ~50 mpg. Second, the surge - it's most noticeable in mild downhill-uphill transitions, as the engine changes from pseudo-shutdown (fuel shutoff during coasting) to slight on-throttle when it sees the grade.

I like my Civic well enough, but it is what it is for me - a fuel-sipping commuter vehicle. We take the E on long trips and errand running. Not to take away from in2steam's anticipation, I test drove an Insight and was not impressed - too little difference in price from the Civic to warrant the sacrifices.


That's when my goofiness kicks-in with, "OMYGOSH, the engine just quit!". :D
You are not are not taking any anticipation away, in fact I have been the least excited about this purchase then any in my life. The E was and is much more fun to drive and deal with. But I have to be practical on many fronts, as far as the price difference as equipped the insight is still a couple thousands less. If I did not need the cruise it would be more, I still don't understand pushing a car that flys by wire(eco mode) when you take away the wire.
I also need to get this vehicle now, and the civics on the lot were all in the 25-27k range. The insgihts in my area are drying up quick and it takes months to get resupplied and the dealer had not ordered many to replace the ones they have sold.
Slightly impulsive, yes, but I need to be.
And I really liked the folding rear seats, enough to discount the fact there is not alot of rear head height.

From what I understand the insight is better balanced with the prime mover/motor combination vs the civic. I could not feel the transitstions once I figured out the display, I am sure I will feel them though once I become one with the car for long distances.

I gave my F150 one last sip of gas today, and took it for one good romp.

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Well I picked it up today, no major problems or concerns.
We drove it for awhile and i can say that it rides about the same as my f150 a little on the stiff side. I played with the paddle shifter some and it engages in normal drive and sport, I prefer not to use it and leave it 7th gear as the indicator says for a short time. I can say there is one thing I don't like, but already knew about it, there is barely any torque while at idle. While parked in a driveway of moderate slope it rolled back real quick on me. With my wife in the car we got about 58 MPG on the way home according to the recent trip meter. It was a combined trip of about 51, we made couple stops after I got home and forgot to check. I never got above 57 mph on that particular trip, on a little later trip I had it up to about 70 and it was getting 42-45 on a very windy head wind. The IMA torque must be higher then the peak of the engine as it never kicks in below 2000 rpm, which is pretty high for a servo/stepper motor.

One other thing I did not notice, is that the 12V battery is about the size of a motor cycle battery.

Pictures to follow later.

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Just thought I would put in an update.
After about 1,000 miles I am getting about 48 MPG city and 52 MPG highway according to the cars computer with the car in eco mode almost always.
I did 150 mile trip yesterday to IL and left it normal mode I got about 43 MPG with some vigorous driving and higher speeds.

I averaged 51 MPG on my last tank, with the above trip including on paper. My concerns with low torque at or on a hill has been stifled by reading the owners manual and finding out that there is an anti roll back feature, you just have to push the brake pedal down firmly. The car shudders a little harder at first but no rolling back when the autostart kicks over the engine(you let up on the brake).

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I think I speak for everyone, when I say, I love the pictures you've posted....:oops:
 

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My bad, I had intended to take pictures but the weather was crappy the first two days I had it now I cannot. Camera is with the wife and element out of town until tomorrow on a family emergency. I can take pictures with my phone but I have not the slightest clue how to get them off my phone and to the computer. When she gets back I plan on taking pictures of both as I have no pictures of the E yet either.

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