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It was recently discussed in the Teardrop forum about Arnold Swharzeneggar closing down 80% of California's state parks.

CA, is just the start, many more states are planning on cutting state parks.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/06/state-parks-proposed-closure-list-is-not-for-the-faint-of-heart.html

Oh and might as well add State historic sites, I'm gald we saw some when we did!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/blagojevich-to-lay-off-hu_n_122343.html

While were out it, lets cut out rest stops too!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iGylTD5xSVhKntRutYQHxUdKbwCAD9996FDO0

This just makes me sad:-(

Heres a nice article, and it has a pirate in it!:D
http://blog.virginiaparks.org/blog/dcr-virginia/0/0/why-we-need-state-parks

Looks like on my next roadtrip I'll have to pull the little TD into the bushes and camp;-)

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The politicians keep cutting services like state parks and term limits won't be necessary.

Any state park system is a puny proportion of a state's budget. I wonder how the state park budget would compare to a 20% cut in the state legislature's budget.

Popular campgrounds boost the economy of gateway communities and bring tourism to the state, so closing those is idiotic. California reaps huge profit from tourism - a significant portion from campers from all over the nation. If tourists perceive that California is closed for camping (the still-open national parks can absorb only so much) then that will be a net minus for the state. That said, sparsely visited parks probably should be closed until states' revenue outlook improves.

Fortunately, national parks will never close. Their owner prints the money.

Interesting excerpts from that Virginia blog:

State Parks in Virginia account for more than $168 million in economic impact directly related to Tourism. Most of our parks are in rural areas and this tourism helps sustain those communities. Tourists don't use schools and most other local services that cost communities so it is a good deal all over. Currently, Virginia's State Parks cost the state less than $18 million. Pretty decent investment - $18 million for a $168 million return.

In the very dark history of Virginia, we closed First Landing State Park (then known as Seashore State Park). Within a couple of years you had to hack your way through the vegetation to find some of the cabins. The Will Smith movie "I Am Legend" does not exaggerate how fast nature takes back over. For what you save closing parks, it may take much more to re-open them.

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One good thing for a number of State of California and Nevada and prolly many more.... Much of the lands incuded were originally "donated" with stipulations that if the State involved were to cease operation as a public park, the land reverts back to the original owner or thier estate. There is a court case in Elko, NV about the very subject right now.
 

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Agreed Hiker Chick. So far Utah is fairing well in the state parks, but as a state employee, I am told that next fiscal year June 30 of 09 through June 30 of 2010 will be the toughest year Utah has ever seen for it's state systems. Hope I have a job next year :rolleyes:
 

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Agreed Hiker Chick. So far Utah is fairing well in the state parks, but as a state employee, I am told that next fiscal year June 30 of 09 through June 30 of 2010 will be the toughest year Utah has ever seen for it's state systems. Hope I have a job next year :rolleyes:
Best wishes. I was a summer aide in the Oregon State Parks during a difficult time there some years ago. Some less used parks were temporarily closed and the only staff cuts were seasonals.

Utah ought to advertise in California and elsewhere that Utah's parks are open for business.

With the economy down and gas prices still reasonable, camping ought to be booming as THE affordable vacation option.

But camping isn't really marketed as an activity, is it?

Individual states may have some puny marketing efforts for their park systems but I can't think of any entity which is actively marketing camping itself -- a promotional campaign that not only would benefit state and national parks but the manufacturers and retailers of camping gear -- including RVs.

A good marketing campaign would also remind the public that camping is very doable and can range from primitive to lux.

I should found the National Camping Association.

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A good marketing campaign would also remind the public that camping is very doable and can range from primitive to lux.

I should found the National Camping Association.

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One if the state parks we went through (did not have an opening) had a site called "rent a camp" They had a large army type tent set up on a wooden platform and they provided, cots, chairs, grills, pans, etc, everything you needed. So people with no camp equipment could still enjoy a camping trip.:smile:

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One if the state parks we went through (did not have an opening) had a site called "rent a camp" They had a large army type tent set up on a wooden platform and they provided, cots, chairs, grills, pans, etc, everything you needed. So people with no camp equipment could still enjoy a camping trip.:smile:
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ROFL!!!

oddly enough, that would be the only thing that would cause us to keep driving!!

(I have no interest in 'camping' anywhere near an army tent...LOL)
 

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One if the state parks we went through (did not have an opening) had a site called "rent a camp" They had a large army type tent set up on a wooden platform and they provided, cots, chairs, grills, pans, etc, everything you needed. So people with no camp equipment could still enjoy a camping trip.:smile:
Interesting. Reminiscent of Oregon's Yurts. Not an RV, not a cabin, not a tent you have to set up by yourself.

Innovative.


 

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unpatroled but accessable?

On one of my many trips to Ontario a Buddy and I went to Obatanga provincial park and canoed a chain of lakes in that park. We asked where the ranger station was. We were told, "The rangers do not patrol this park. It's gone back wild. You have the register with the MNR." http://www.ontarioparks.com/ENGLISH/obat.html

So we went to the MNR and still purchased a camping permit. The difference is they do not do any maintenance on the park. You were 100% on your own. They ask only that you tell them where you are going and when you will be back. WE were told that if you don't stop at the MNR with 48hours of the time you say then they go and look for you.

Perhaps some of the EOCs Canadians can clarify anything I might have gotten wrong.

I bring this up as a possible alternative for closing any given park. We were still able to enjoy the great outdoors and the natural beauty of the park but we didn't get regular visits from the rangers.

Just a thought.
 

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It's good to know that Texas is trying to get more people interested in camping with a great program called Texas Outdoor Familiy-----they loan out camping equipment and provide a ranger to help teach you how to set up a tent, start a fire and deal with wildlife.
It's great for non-camping families that want to introduce camping to their kids but just don't know where to begin, and it's a great deal. $55 pays for everything, includes your entrance fee, and camping spot. :)


http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/25323/Learn-To-Camp-Enjoy-Outdoors-at-Texas-State-Parks-This-Fall

http://www.austin360.com/recreation/content/recreation/stories/2008/08/0825fitcity.html

Texas Outdoor Family sessions

For more information on the Texas Outdoor Family program, go to www.tpwd.state.tx.us/outdoorfamily. Sessions held in state parks cost $55 for up to eight people; campers supply their own food. Sessions at city or county parks cost about $150 and include meals. To register, call 512-389-8903.

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That sounds like a great program Texas is doing, JoJo. Apparently some of the national parks are of like mind. :)


May 29, 2009
Shenandoah National Park Presents Family Camping Seminar

Shenandoah National Park will be hosting “The Basics of Family Camping” seminar on Saturday and Sunday, June 27-28, 2009. This overnight seminar coincides with the national Great American Backyard Campout, a national event that encourages individuals, youth, friends, and families to camp out together for one night.

Campers will learn from park rangers and camping experts how to pitch a tent, build a campfire, plan and prepare meals, explore nature with your children, and how to “Leave No Trace,” while creating memories to last a lifetime. Tents, cooking equipment, and food will be provided.


“The Basics of Family Camping” is $50 one adult and child (5-12 years old) and $10 for each additional family member. Reservations are required and space is limited. Shenandoah National Park Association members receive a 20% discount. To register, go to the Shenandoah National Park website at http://www.nps.gov/shen/planyourvisit/resource_seminars.htm.


“The Basics of Family Camping” is one of the Shenandoah National Park Resource Seminars designed for those who want to get to know their national park a little more personally. Seminars provide a more in-depth experience to learn from scientists, researchers, educators, and other experts about resource issues and recreational opportunities in Shenandoah National Park. Future seminars include Hiking With Children on Sunday, July 12, 2009, repeat of The Basics of Family Camping, July 18-19, 2009, and The American Chestnut: Restoring Forest Majesty, Saturday, August 22, 2009.
 
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