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If there is such a thing for SUV's?

Reading the forum here, I thought I figured out the best tire to get.. Michelin's LTX M/S, but then I dug out my consumer reports and they have a black circle for dry braking. Everything else is fairly good though.

Just having had the issue with the recall and very mushy/sloppy brakes going down hills, unsettling in fact, not sure these are the best tires.
Granted I finally found a dealer that seems to have fixed the issue and the brakes work as they should now.
But I really like to be able to brake in these hills when needed and I am a pretty mellow driver. This braking issue has made me a bit gun shy.

Have had pretty good luck using Consumer Reports with help making a good choice for products.

Looking at the ratings for SUV tires.. you either get good dry/wet breaking but have a rough ride and noise or the other way around.

With the passenger car tires.. there are some really good rated ones across the board, so why can't the SUV tire makers, design a good tire?

The rating for the Nokian WR all weather plus SUV all is pretty good,
dry breaking and ride was rated as average.
But I do not see how long this tire would last?

Good braking wet/dry, descent snow traction, good ride, quiet and long lasting. I don't ask for much do I ? LOL:razz:
 

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shari..i have the michekin ltx m/s tires..i just got them last month..i LOVE them..the braking is great wet and dry...i put the white letters on the outside.if you zoom in on the picture you can see them better
 

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I bought the General Grabber HTS just a few weeks ago. So far so good........And the price is cheaper too!
 

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The Michelin's do look nice on your E Bigsmokes.
So they brake well? No skipping, if you have to hit your brakes hard? Not that I drive like that but these wranglers do break traction if you have to stop short, something I don't like.

Even my DH wee little Echo stops better than that, never breaks traction but he also has a very nice set of tires on it too.
Had Turanza's on the Sienna I had and it was front wheel drive only. They were impressive tires on the dry, wet and even snow and ice. The hills here, lets just say when we had the Ice storm two winters ago and over 3' of snow, I did not even need chains. Just dropped in into low, slow and steady and passed 4by trucks and AWD's that were littering the road, left, right and center, stuck and not going anywhere. The looks on these guys faces and this women, was going up a step icey and pretty deep snowy road in a minivan, with no chains... the gall! LOL :lol: I just smiled and waved.
In fact every car I have had over the years, I ended up getting Turanza's. They also rode wonderfully and were very quiet, excellent grip on dry or wet roads. Spendy, but they also lasted a long time so worth it.

So I am searching for something like that for the E.

The General Grabber isn't in the 2009 CR buying guide. Could you tell me about them?
Are they as bouncy as the wranglers? Are the Grabbers, Quiet? Good on curvy mountain roads? How are they on Highways in high winds? We always have some kind of wind along the Columbia river. Smooth and quiet on the Highway? (At some point I will be driving across to VA and do not want to do that with the OEM Wranglers.)
Stop well on the dry and in the wet? We have all kinds of weather up in the hills, so need something that can handle it all and feel safe.
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The Nokians on patty's e HAVE OVER 40,000 ON THEM AND STILL LOOK NEW.

As for the XLT's they like to Hydroplane at highway speeds in heavy rain. We have several accounts of that from members on this site. Sylvester had trouble following me back from a meet one time in the rain. His XLT's were newer than my Goodyear's with less mileage. Still he had to slow down to 50 Mph. The goodyears as bad as they are in the rain were better than the XLT's.

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The Nokians on patty's e HAVE OVER 40,000 ON THEM AND STILL LOOK NEW.

As for the XLT's they like to Hydroplane at highway speeds in heavy rain. We have several accounts of that from members on this site. Sylvester had trouble following me back from a meet one time in the rain. His XLT's were newer than my Goodyear's with less mileage. Still he had to slow down to 50 Mph. The goodyears as bad as they are in the rain were better than the XLT's.

Dom
Thanks Dom for that info. We get a lot of rain here and I need tires that will stick.

So it looks like the Nokian WR all weather SUV tires, may be the way to go.
 

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I've used the LTX's on many SUV's in the past and they did very well. They have evolved with some newer designs but my experience is very good: Good ride, very well built and a bit heavier, harder rubber provides longer mileage but I do think they give some distance for it in wet braking as they age. I've sworn by them for years.

But...I put on Grabber HTS's about 2k miles ago and have so far been very pleased. In fact, I believe them to be improving on an already quieter ride and the traction has been spot on. CR rated them at the top last year for value as they're only 65% the cost of the Mich's. Thye may get 50k miles vs 70k+ miles but I'd say that equals out well.

I recommend them as several others here do.
 

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I got rid of the ltx 3 weeks ago, they get very hard and the car spins them very,very easy & is hard to get going in the rain. I put on michlins latatude, it's supposted to be thier greenest tire,and get the best millage, well they look just as black as the ltx.but they have a much better tread pattern & the 215/75/16 is a hair wider than the 225/70/16 and taller. discount tire has a great price on them. so far there grrr8t !!:razz:
 

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I'm a huge fanatic of the Nokian WR-SUV's. I had a bunch of other tires previously and they all didn't measure up for various reasons. The WR-SUV's are actually the old model, the current one is the WRG2-SUV. Mine are around 45,000 and also look and act like new. They've handled anything I've thrown at them with ease, and being in MN/WI and on the road a ton year round. I actually put almost 20,000 miles on last year alone and couldn't be more pleased.

Yes, they're expensive, but they're absolutely worth every single penny. I have no doubt I have the best tires on.



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Thanks everyone for the info. Think I will end up with the Nokian WR G2 SUV tires.
Hopefully I will have the time in the next couple of weeks to take the E in and have them put on.
 

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I just got 4 new Michelin LTX MS2. They are supposedly addressed wet tracking issue on LTX MS with additional silca in the rubber.

It was night & day improvement on noise, comfort, braking distance, cornering, & stability on the highway, compared with worn out GY. I will take some pic after I wash my car this weekend.
 

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Some information on All Terrain Tires:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f15/all-terrain-tires-119974/
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f209/

Shari’s post does have interesting info: http://www.offroaders.com/reviewbox/showcat.php?cat=4

My 2¢:
Is the choice of A/T for aesthetic reasons or for use?
Deeper tread depth on A/T tires when new may mean more squirm which could be interpreted as poorer handling.
Many A/T tires do not have as good of road manners as on road tires.
Possible poorer braking and acceleration as well as cornering than on road tires.
Possible harsher ride as compare to traditional on-road tires.
Consider cost of tire vs. miles of tread life.
Try Tire Rack’s comparison feature. Also, call and talk with a rep. The most recent two times I was ready to order, I called and spoke with one of their folks. He made another recommendation. I went with his choice and have been very pleased.

Good luck.
 

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All I am looking for is really good," All Weather" tires. Mostly drive on dirt roads in the hills or on pavement.
Plan on just getting the stock tire size.

Thanks for the links, will check those out.:)
 

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Hold on!

Those Nokian tires that are so called "all weather", are actually a super soft compound tire that is basically a snow tire. They neglect to tell you that they are no good above 20 degrees and below 20 degrees (sorry, Canadian). So, in summer heat, they'll burn out quick, and be sloppy. And in winter temps, harden up like any all season, and slip. The Michelin LTX M/S has the most miles reported than any other tire on the road, and can do pretty much anything, other than serious offroad. It will outlast any tire out there, and what we say in our shop is, "if you have a problem with this tire, there is something wrong with your car". The M/S2 is the identicle tire, with a harder rubber compound to give it a 115000km warranty. So the original is actually better. Just my 11 year tire shop manager experience. (not bragging);-)
 

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I have the Nokian WRG2s on my E and have put over 5k miles so far. Great tire!!! Excellent rain traction and a smooth ride. The Nokian dealer I went to (in KY) says they have no problems with their tires and summer use. Nokian does make dedicated snow tires as the bulk of their business but they have also been spending a lot on R&D for all season and summer tires.

I spent less on my Nokians than I would have on the Michelins.

I have also read a lot of reviews of the LT/X on the E, while some have been favorable, some others say the tire is not a good match for the E.

I have yet to read one bad review of a nokian tire on the E.
 

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Those Nokian tires that are so called "all weather", are actually a super soft compound tire that is basically a snow tire. They neglect to tell you that they are no good above 20 degrees and below 20 degrees (sorry, Canadian). So, in summer heat, they'll burn out quick, and be sloppy. And in winter temps, harden up like any all season, and slip. The Michelin LTX M/S has the most miles reported than any other tire on the road, and can do pretty much anything, other than serious offroad. It will outlast any tire out there, and what we say in our shop is, "if you have a problem with this tire, there is something wrong with your car". The M/S2 is the identicle tire, with a harder rubber compound to give it a 115000km warranty. So the original is actually better. Just my 11 year tire shop manager experience. (not bragging);-)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Nokian WR-SUV and WRG2-SUV really are all-season tires. As Scorsone said, Nokian does make a lot of other models that are snow tires. However those of us who have the Nokian all-season tires all swear by them and run them year round. I believe I now have almost 40,000 miles on my set and they look and ride like new.

If you are indeed the manager of a tire shop, your total lack of basic knowledge about the tires in question would make me very leery of buying tires from your shop...



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