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it’s a 2003. Bought it new. Currently somewhere over 395k miles.
Wow okay this is a testament to "it really doesn't matter what brand motor oil you choose as long as it is the correct spec for the engine."

You have had it since zero miles for twenty one years and driven it to just shy of four hundred thousand miles and it is still going!

I don't think I need anymore from this thread.... LOL. Thank you
 
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Hmmm, I was just looking at Canadian Tires website and seeing what oil they had on sale and their house brand Motomaster is on sale 5L jug for $26. A couple of bucks more than Supertechs conventional 5w20 but what I noticed was that the Motomaster says it uses Shell Technology.

At the moment I assume then that Shell is making this motor oil for Canadian Tire and they are just slapping their house brand label and packaging on it.

I emailed Canadian Tire to get the technical datasheet, I already got the technical data sheet for the Formual Shell 5w20, then compare the two if that even matters since we seem to have established that any brand oil will do for daily driving.
 
Hmmm, I was just looking at Canadian Tires website and seeing what oil they had on sale and their house brand Motomaster is on sale 5L jug for $26. A couple of bucks more than Supertechs conventional 5w20 but what I noticed was that the Motomaster says it uses Shell Technology.

At the moment I assume then that Shell is making this motor oil for Canadian Tire and they are just slapping their house brand label and packaging on it.

I emailed Canadian Tire to get the technical datasheet, I already got the technical data sheet for the Formual Shell 5w20, then compare the two if that even matters since we seem to have established that any brand oil will do for daily driving.
Im convinced that a lot of brands do that to capitalize on all ends of the market. Probably put a couple of different additives in
 
I used super tech for 70,000 miles. Now I use Costco cuz i got a membership and it’s cheaper. I didn’t have any issues with it and now I am at 200k miles. I also have a friend who has used super tech in his 2001 Cherokee for a long time and it is running strong.

I used to know a guy who was vp of organic valley and he said they supplied a lot of major store brands. Couldn’t tell me which ones, but I assume that’s the case with most generic or store brand products.
 
Do you change your oil and filter every 3000 or 5000 miles? Do you have to top up in between oil changes and usually how much? Thanks
Usually every 5k miles. There was a period of time where my wife drove the element around 30k miles/year. During that time, I switched to 10k mile oil changes because changing the oil every 2 months was just too frequent.
 
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I did a search on the forum but only came up with results for Super Tech Filters.

Wondering if anyone has been using this motor oil and how they like it? I know they have conventional and synthetic and higher mileage versions.

I saw the Project Farm video where he compares the different Super Tech oils with each other.

My usual oil brand Shell 5w20 is no longer available anywhere local to me, so I went with Valvoline but other people I have talked to said it doesn't matter what brand as long as they all meet the API SAE and ILSAC requirements

Even if Super Tech isn't the most super duper, top of the line, exceedingly over spec miracle oil, wouldn't my switching from the conventional Shell oil to a full synthetic Super Tech be an improvement in protection since synthetic is supposed to not break down?
I use the cheapest 5w20 I can find, my E is 20years old.But I, at least every 12 months do a full oil change and new oil filter(again cheapest.) And it works fine. But if I wasn't doing oil changes in 12 months or less then I would use Honda oil filter and better oil.
 
I have used it for years with no problems. If yu look on the back, it has an SAE rating. That rating is holy to oil manufacturer/retailers. Remember, that oil is only sold by Wal Mart not manufactured. Just like car batteries, there only a few that actually MAKE the oil. Wal Mart sells it cheaper because the sell SO much of it.
 
I did a search on the forum but only came up with results for Super Tech Filters.

Wondering if anyone has been using this motor oil and how they like it? I know they have conventional and synthetic and higher mileage versions.

I saw the Project Farm video where he compares the different Super Tech oils with each other.

My usual oil brand Shell 5w20 is no longer available anywhere local to me, so I went with Valvoline but other people I have talked to said it doesn't matter what brand as long as they all meet the API SAE and ILSAC requirements

Even if Super Tech isn't the most super duper, top of the line, exceedingly over spec miracle oil, wouldn't my switching from the conventional Shell oil to a full synthetic Super Tech be an improvement in protection since synthetic is supposed to not break down?
I love it, very pleased.
 
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Usually every 5k miles. There was a period of time where my wife drove the element around 30k miles/year. During that time, I switched to 10k mile oil changes because changing the oil every 2 months was just too frequent.
When you did the 10K mile oil changes did you switch to a high mileage oil, which ones did you use? Thanks
 
When you did the 10K mile oil changes did you switch to a high mileage oil, which ones did you use? Thanks
When I say that I’m not particular with my oils, what I do is either go to Walmart or search on Amazon for 5 qt jugs of oil from any major brand label I recognize, and choose the least expensive 5w20 I find. It could be Castrol, pennzoil, Valvoline, Mobil 1, super tech… It also doesn’t matter to me if it’s high mileage, synthetic, synthetic blend or whatnot.

Admittedly, I do think I shifted buying habits to more syn-blend or synthetic when the 10k oil changes occurred, but it wasn’t that strict.

If any oil is on a particularly good sale, I might buy 6 jugs at once.

There have been times in the past where I’ve had 50 quarts of oil and a dozen oil filters in my garage. The stuff will eventually all get used.
 
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When I say that I’m not particular with my oils, what I do is either go to Walmart or search on Amazon for 5 qt jugs of oil from any major brand label I recognize, and choose the least expensive 5w20 I find. It could be Castrol, pennzoil, Valvoline, Mobil 1, super tech… It also doesn’t matter to me if it’s high mileage, synthetic, synthetic blend or whatnot.

Admittedly, I do think I shifted buying habits to more syn-blend or synthetic when the 10k oil changes occurred, but it wasn’t that strict.

If any oil is on a particularly good sale, I might buy 6 jugs at once.

There have been times in the past where I’ve had 50 quarts of oil and a dozen oil filters in my garage. The stuff will eventually all get used.
Thank you these are great tips. I am going to do the same but I still think I will keep my change intervals pretty short like 5000 - 6000kms even though the manual recommends 8000kms but maybe I will go to 8000kms if I go full synthetic oil.

Have you had to top up the oil level, now that you have got some veteran mileage on your Element K24?
 
Thank you these are great tips. I am going to do the same but I still think I will keep my change intervals pretty short like 5000 - 6000kms even though the manual recommends 8000kms but maybe I will go to 8000kms if I go full synthetic oil.

Have you had to top up the oil level, now that you have got some veteran mileage on your Element K24?
Yes, I am oil burning. It doesn’t seem excessive, but I think I add somewhere between 1-2 quarts in a 5k oil change.
 
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Yes, I am oil burning. It doesn’t seem excessive, but I think I add somewhere between 1-2 quarts in a 5k oil change.
That's really not bad at all for an all original engine that has 395K miles on it!

My Acura had the B16, a 1.6L engine and I was adding a quart of oil in between 3000 mile oil changes. That engine had about 330K miles on it.
 
Those in the States can get a much better deal on synthetic oil, thanks to a promotion from Pennzoil. Buy two five-quart jugs of Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic at Walmart - make sure it's Pennzoil Platinum, Pennzoil also sells full synthetic that doesn't say Platinum - and you can get a $25 gift card, see REAP THE REWARDS That works out to around half price, so you not only get the benefits of synthetic oil, but you also get it for even less than the cost of conventional oil, let alone Walmart's house brand. Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic oil is also available in a high-mileage version, which is what I've been using in my Element.
 
I've been using Supertech Full Synthetic (Non-high mileage) for the last ~30k miles. Just ticked over 255k on our 2007 and have had zero issues.
I've used only Mobil 1 ever since the 1st oil change on my 05, now with more than 400,000 miles. I also change the oil around 4,000 miles. Never have had ANY engine issues.
 
I've been using Supertech Full Synthetic (Non-high mileage) for the last ~30k miles. Just ticked over 25 pi5k on our 2007 and have had zero issues.
I've been using Supertech Full Synthetic (Non-high mileage) for the last ~30k miles. Just ticked over 255k on our 2007 and have had zero issues.
Thanks for the tip I'm a big believer of Walmart

My 04 ex just turned 103k
So I'm going to assume use the non-high mileage.
What filters do you recommend for the oil?
 
Thanks for the tip I'm a big believer of Walmart

My 04 ex just turned 103k
So I'm going to assume use the non-high mileage.
What filters do you recommend for the oil?
It's not so much that I believe Walmart's oil is better, more so the price point. The standards for synthetic motor oil in the US are pretty high, so it's really more important to do the oil changes regularly and on time (when the maintenance minder tells you, at least) than what brand or "special type" of oil it is. The "change your oil every 6 months" in the day of modern synthetics is also just a gimmick to get you to buy more oil, as synthetic oil is incredibly stable when not going through heat cycles. You could use the high-mileage oil if it gives you peace of mind, but I don't think it's necessary (especially at your mileage).

Regarding oil filters, I used to get the Honda A01 filters made by Filtech for as long as I could find them at a reasonable price, but now that they've been discontinued and are like hens teeth, I just make sure to get a quality filter. Honda has since switched to the A02 made by Fram (meh) and A03 filters made by Mahle Tennex. The A03's are marginally better constructed, but still nowhere near as good as the A01's. Napa Gold/Wix are great filters: cheap, and very easy to find. Recently I've been getting Denso filters from RockAuto (due to price) and they are built like tanks, and the filter dissections I've seen show they're well built on the inside as well. At the end of the day, it's still more important to do the service on time more than the brand of filter you get. Any filter will more than likely survive the ~4500-6500 miles we get on a typical oil change using the maintenance minder. Hope that helps!
 
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It's not so much that I believe Walmart's oil is better, more so the price point. The standards for synthetic motor oil in the US are pretty high, so it's really more important to do the oil changes regularly and on time (when the maintenance minder tells you, at least) than what brand or "special type" of oil it is. The "change your oil every 6 months" in the day of modern synthetics is also just a gimmick to get you to buy more oil, as synthetic oil is incredibly stable when not going through heat cycles. You could use the high-mileage oil if it gives you peace of mind, but I don't think it's necessary (especially at your mileage).

Regarding oil filters, I used to get the Honda A01 filters made by Filtech for as long as I could find them at a reasonable price, but now that they've been discontinued and are like hens teeth, I just make sure to get a quality filter. Honda has since switched to the A02 made by Fram (meh) and A03 filters made by Mahle Tennex. The A03's are marginally better constructed, but still nowhere near as good as the A01's. Napa Gold/Wix are great filters: cheap, and very easy to find. Recently I've been getting Denso filters from RockAuto (due to price) and they are built like tanks, and the filter dissections I've seen show they're well built on the inside as well. At the end of the day, it's still more important to do the service on time more than the brand of filter you get. Any filter will more than likely survive the ~4500-6500 miles we get on a typical oil change using the maintenance minder. Hope that helps!
Like the comment about the gimmicky change oil every 6 months. I remember hearing people tell me that motor oil companies were telling car owners that the oil goes bad in a year just sitting on the shelf in an unopened bottle.

I thought this has to be a scam to get people to buy more motor oil, especially when so much oil now is full synthetic. I remember when synthetic oil first came around and we were all told it is superior because it never breaks down and that was under load and high heat in turbocharged cars driven hard on a racetrack.

So how can that same synthetic oil be going bad either on a shelf or even in an engine of a collector car that gets either no mileage driven on it, or maybe a few hundred miles a year? The engine is sealed there are anti corrosion inhibitors in the oil, it is under no pressure, no heat and no load at all.

I was talking to a sales representative at a car meet from a major oil manufacturer and of course he was not able to explain how the oil would go bad sitting there in a years time. I had the same discussion with my mechanic.

I am no Automotive engineer or scientist but it really seems that some clever marketing person thought

Well there are probably millions of collector cars out there sitting in storage or someone's garage and they get little if any mileage driven on them at all and so they rarely need to change their oil. Since these people love their collector cars so much and want only the best for them and can afford to have these expensive cars, let's scare them into thinking the oil is rotting away and we can sell an extra jug of oil per year for each and every one of these millions of collector cars, that will be a lot of sales we were not getting before!

I remember when alot of processed junk food with tons of perservatives in them, like potato chips started getting expiration dates put on them. I also recall a youtube video of a lady carrying a McDonalds hamburger around in her purse for months and it never rotted...
 
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