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Rear area, not as versatile as I thought

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#1 ·
Okay, I've had my E for over a year now. I'm in orthopedic sales and constantly carrying around instruments and product that take up about every inch of my usable space. One thing I went to an SUV was to make use of the behind the backseat area for 90% of my storage and get away from putting things in the backseat area. Since the back seats are that far back, it limits how much can be stored back there so I end up putting things in the back seat floor area and on the seat. So I want more versatility. Well instead of just folding down a seat, I have to take things out of the back, lay the backseat flat and flip it up out of the way. Now I just took away about 10 inches of width (on each side) and limited my side views. I can take the seat out to free up more space, but on a daily basis it's a pain in the ass to go in and out with the seat especially when I never know when I'll have passengers, or I'll have passengers when the seats are out, and I can't do a thing about it.

So I find myself leaving the seats in and just using up all the backseat space as well as the rear space, thus doing what I didn't want to do; beat up my backseat area. I love the overall versatility, but to go back and forth on a daily basis it just plain stinks. Makes me think I should've stuck with getting a CRV that has more rear storage area. I'll seriously be looking at the FJ Cruiser when it comes out. Was a big fan of the original, and from what I've read it seems like the FJ will be everything the E should've been. And if I'm going to barely skirt the 20mpg line, I might as well do it with plenty more horses, a beefier look, and still have plenty of versatility. Still love me E, but I don't think I'd make the same choice if I could do it over again.

Anyone have similar issues with rearranging the seats and storage area on a regular basis?
 
#3 ·
I think your close to being right on. I've read lots of posts asking for rear seats that would slide forward, and lots of reasons why that wasn't done. The E doesn't have me curseing it, but the addtional versatility would have been welcome.
 
#5 · (Edited)
One..I've owned my E for over a year. I'm looking at real world use, not specs, but since you asked....
(in cubic ft)
rear cargo seats up:
CRV: 33.5
E: 25.9

max:
CRV: 72.0
E: 77.1

now the max doesn't take into account if the rear seats are in and up because you have about 20" of width taken away where they are. And if they're out you have no way to take passengers unless you go back home and put them back in.

Don't know why you'd ask about MPG. Specs don't mean squat there, and people are all over the board for mpg on the E. The CRV gets slightly better mileage, and I'm sure the new FJ Cruiser will get similar mpg to my E for my kind of driving. I'm at 32k mi in a year and a month with lots of highway driving and I rarely break 20mpg.

And I'm all for your sarcasm Dan, but there are plenty of SUV's out there with fold flat seats so next time try sarcasm that hits the mark. :roll:
 
#6 ·
It was obvious to me from the start that the Element has a lower than average behind-the-seats cargo space. I suppose I was more aware of that since I already had a RAV4 with similar cargo space. The real space advantages of the Element appears when when the rear seats are removed. Otherwise, there are plenty of other SUVs with more seats-up cargo space, including the CRV. However if you want both good leg room for your passengers, and more cargo floor area, you have to get a longer car.

paulj
 
#7 · (Edited)
I was not really paying attention to that fact when I bought it. I was sold on the versatility of the seats and how I'd be able to get all the crap in and out on a daily basis. It wasn't until that daily basis turned out to be a royal pain in the ass going back and forth all the time with the various configurations. Still love it, but it's not going to be my long term keeper that I thought it would be.

Personally I think the rear leg room is excessive for most passengers and the CRV has the same (if not slightly more) rear leg room than the E. I'm not trying to bash in anway, I just wish my buddy (yes my buddy) didn't tell me to drive the E and see what I thought when I was ready for the CRV, the bastard...haha.
 
#8 ·
I learned with the RAV4 that the key to making good use of its cargo space is to think vertical. Placing boxes in a neat layer or 2 on the bottom, and bags on top, allowed me to carry a lot of camping gear, taking full advantage of the low floor. The same applies to the Element, with the difference that the Element has pickup style tailgate, rather than the wide swing door.

If my cargo did not lend itself to stacking, then I would prefer a car with more floor space. For some cargo it might work to build a platform in the rear. For some work uses, a set of shelves or cabinets might do the trick.

For camping I replace the seats with a platform 10" high and 4' long. Heavier, less used items go under the platform. On top of the platform I have a layer of boxes (some bungeed into place), with soft stuff on top.
I can imagine putting a short platform behind the rear seats. The top of my platform is just below the lower tailgate edge, so I can conveniently get at stuff on top of the platform just by lifting the upper tailgate.

paulj
 
#9 ·
dbpaddler said:
And I'm all for your sarcasm Dan, but there are plenty of SUV's out there with fold flat seats so next time try sarcasm that hits the mark. :roll:
But dude! I think you'd look sexy driving a mini-van!

I understand your issue with the behind the seat storage. I rarely have passengers, but if I did, I would probably have the same issues. Different strokes.
 
#10 ·
maybe I can put some 18's with mudders on a kick ass Town and Country. A nerf bar in the front with my trailer hitch bike rack and Yakima rack with fairing up on top. Put the light bar on there and some skid plates underneath...now we're talkin'. :shock:

actually my buddy is a big whitewater guy and still has an old cherokee, but he was eying my E big time. I told him with the seats out, he'd have an easy time putting two or more of his yaks inside and forgo the roofrack. He's single with no passengers to haul around. But his Cherokee is paid in full so it's a tough decision.
 
#11 ·
dbpaddler,

I don't feel your pain since I have none of the issues that you have, but I am definately eyeing the FJ cruiser. I won't buy it the first year it comes out but 2007 looks to be the year Ill sell the E and get the FJ.
 
#12 ·
It takes 30 seconds a piece to fold up the rear seats. It's even easier if you leave the headrests off. As for limited visibility... Try driving a cargo van. or a Cube van. At least you have a rear view mirror in the E. Properly adjusted mirros make the E have no blind spots. I suggest reading the various threads on mirrors and taking their advise. The E IS a versatile vehicle.

I second the notion of thinking vertically, build yourself a false floor in the cargo area so you can put equipment that you can't stack on top of underneath it. also consider buying some stack-nesting containers or collapsible containers to maximize storage.

That's the best suggestions I can think of for a car that I regularly haul people in and sometimes move half of a friends apartment in one load.

Otherwise sell the E and consider something like a CRV, Pilot, or Toyota highlander. All have lots of cargo space and you won't risk having your Man Card revoked like a mini-van will do.
 
#13 ·
ImpulseE said:
dbpaddler,

I don't feel your pain since I have none of the issues that you have, but I am definately eyeing the FJ cruiser. I won't buy it the first year it comes out but 2007 looks to be the year Ill sell the E and get the FJ.

Will you or dbpaddler give me a call when you want to get rid of your Es? I want to buy one for my Dad since he likes driving mine so much and you guys seeem so ready..I'll help you with your burden.
 
#14 ·
I never said it wasn't versatile, but for the constant hauling of lots of product as well as people, and the basic layout of it, it's not as versatile as it appears. Also, it takes a lot more than 30 seconds when you have the storage area filled to capacity. You have to remove everything from the back first, then lay each seat down flat, then lock each one up, then redo the entire storage area. In a normal vehicle you'd lay the seats down and continue loading.

My mirrors are adjust properly. Still with the seats up, the visibility is limited in certain situations. It's like being in a cargo van then. And the bottom line is they do take up space when up and out of the way. And I stack everything. All my product is in big plastic totes so if you put a false floor in you can't stack one on top of the other. I have stacked drawers in the back for common everyday things which in turn takes up behind the seat space for throwing those totes in. Trust me, I've gotten it to be about as efficient as possible. I appreciate your comments, and I still love my E, and it is versatile, but just not as versatile as it could be or as I thought it would be when I first got it. Enough people have complained about the placement of the rear seats so I'm not the only one. The bottom line is that the cargo area is on average about 7-10 cubic ft less than many or most other SUV's. And the max storage volume doesn't take into account having the rear seats taking up width when folded up and out of the way.

valkokir said:
It takes 30 seconds a piece to fold up the rear seats. It's even easier if you leave the headrests off. As for limited visibility... Try driving a cargo van. or a Cube van. At least you have a rear view mirror in the E. Properly adjusted mirros make the E have no blind spots. I suggest reading the various threads on mirrors and taking their advise. The E IS a versatile vehicle.

I second the notion of thinking vertically, build yourself a false floor in the cargo area so you can put equipment that you can't stack on top of underneath it. also consider buying some stack-nesting containers or collapsible containers to maximize storage.

That's the best suggestions I can think of for a car that I regularly haul people in and sometimes move half of a friends apartment in one load.

Otherwise sell the E and consider something like a CRV, Pilot, or Toyota highlander. All have lots of cargo space and you won't risk having your Man Card revoked like a mini-van will do.
 
#15 ·
I drive about the same distance (32-36 K a year) and I just got 25.8 MPG on the last tank of gas. That's one of the best I've had, but I'm consistently over 22. I carry a lot of parts with me, but I stop at UPS when I go by them and drop some off. If I flip up the seats I can fit days worth of parts in there, but it would take five trips into UPS when I finally dropped them off. I use mine in a more vertical fashion, and usually lay boxes on end so they are tall instead of flat and wide. The back is great for computer parts and my laptop, my only complaint is that I haven't figured out what I want to do about tools. I think I'm going to need a soft sided tool bag and a bungee cord. That Toyata is neat, but it looks too big for me, and I'd be surprised if it gets in the mid 20's with gas mileage.
 
#16 ·
dbpaddler said:
And I'm all for your sarcasm Dan, but there are plenty of SUV's out there with fold flat seats so next time try sarcasm that hits the mark. :roll:
So next time why don't you buy one? Seriously, I can't believe you'd buy an Element without realizing it wasn't going to suit your needs. The mistake was yours, not Hondas... they could add some nice features if they wanted to, and it's not a problem to make suggestions (we do it all the time), but I'm getting sick of all the whiners who got what they paid for and then complain about it.

Next time post in the "Dear Honda" section and make suggestions on how to make it better instead of complaining about something you should have known well before you put down the cash for it.

And if you like the FJ Cruiser so much, then go out and buy one! Oh wait...

You're comparing a "fictional" car to the Element without knowing what it's real specifications are... that sort of thinking is probably why you bought an E that you seem so unhappy with.
 
#17 ·
What I found really misleading was Honda's freakin' brouchure showing all the stuff that was being stuffed into the Element(ie: skiing boots just chilling nicely on the floor, and other various small items) Unknown to the shopper, as soon as you tap on that gas pedal that stuff is gonna go flying!
 
#18 ·
let's see....the title of the thread, started by me. I would think it is my complaint. I was voicing it, seeing if others agreed. Some others do, some don't. It's easy to stuff things in the E one time and figure, hey this fits. Next time I'll ask my dealer for a six month test drive. And I don't remember blaming Honda for the design. It's my LONG TERM opinion for MY needs after having it for a year plus. Reread the title of the thread. The keyword is "I".

And what features am I asking to add? I'm not complaining I didn't get what I paid for. I'm stating that the versatility and layout of the rear seats is not as suitable to my needs as I initially thought. Big difference.

And if you're sick of whiners (and you didn't even make that statement correctly because I'm not asking for more than I paid for), I'm sick of blind fanboys that can't believe their purchase might have some negative attributes or might not fit everyone's bill. I think if everyone could test drive their car for a few months, they might think differently about their choice. Doesn't mean they don't like their vehicle, but hindsight is 20/20. So quit being so defensive. Just because others might look at you as a dweeb for buying a toaster on wheels thus heightening your defense mechanisms, I won't because I bought one too :grin:

and how is the fj fictional. It was debuted at the 05 Chicago Auto Show as a REAL car to be out in late 05 as a 06 model or early 06 as an 07 model. It's got real specs, a real engine, and blah blah blah. The only thing fictional around here was your post. Geez. At least Dan knows sarcasm can be said in good fun. You're just being a putz.
gfxguy said:
So next time why don't you buy one? Seriously, I can't believe you'd buy an Element without realizing it wasn't going to suit your needs. The mistake was yours, not Hondas... they could add some nice features if they wanted to, and it's not a problem to make suggestions (we do it all the time), but I'm getting sick of all the whiners who got what they paid for and then complain about it.

Next time post in the "Dear Honda" section and make suggestions on how to make it better instead of complaining about something you should have known well before you put down the cash for it.

And if you like the FJ Cruiser so much, then go out and buy one! Oh wait...

You're comparing a "fictional" car to the Element without knowing what it's real specifications are... that sort of thinking is probably why you bought an E that you seem so unhappy with.
 
#20 ·
The Element, in my opinion, is a change in direction for car design that has a lot of issues that we all have to come to grips with. In the end, I feel it is an excellent solution to the types of cargo that I carry or my needs. I read though, time and again, the posts from people who bought the car only to find in a few months that it didn't hold it's value to them. They buy it with 1 or 2 kids and figure, I only need 2 seats in back anyways. Then they find themselves needing to carpool when one child goes to kindergarten or when the news comes that #3 is now on the way. Or, as may be more the situation with this subject, you have people who get the Element with the caverous interior for cargo and their work needs but later find that it gets overtaken by work and becomes a real hassle to reconfigure back to a family car.

I think the later situation is more of an issue with the work needs and not so much the car. Whatever car one gets, if they have so many samples or so much product that they have to carry around for work, when they need to take the family somewhere, they are going to have to unload and reconfigure the seats etc. Unless the original writer is saying that he simply needs a little more room behind the seats to put all his work stuff so that he can leave the back seats up for family... If that is the case, then an Odyssey or other Mini Van might be his solution. There might be more storage space behind the rear seat on minivans, allowing the ability to isolate work from family.

It all depends though, on what kind of work you do. I bought my Element because I needed a new personal car. My old car was getting up in years and was becoming unreliable and couldn't pass an emissions test. Of all the cars that I looked at, most were eliminated because of the needs for carrying large equipment cases or because of the expense. I looked at minivans but the cost got up more than I could afford. Gas prices were around 2.24 a gallon so fuel economy was becoming an issue also. I looked at smaller cars like Sentra, Focus, Civic etc. but the trunks were too small. Family Sedans were close to my needs but got really expensive to get configured as I would like. Also, I had some concerns about the Accords trunk. As much as I liked the Accord, its cost and the fact that I might not get my Telescope case in the trunk I passed on it. Full Size vans or other SUVs would have worked good for me but again, too expensive and maybe overkill. Then, the fuel economy was horrible on most of them. Then, not even knowing what an Element was, I stumbled over it and laughed my #&@ off. But as I read of the 77(???) cu ft of cargo space I found it had more total space than some of the minivans. Not that I would ever need that much space, Or, at least rarely. I noticed the plastic floors and other features that seemed to make it a more logical choice for low maintenance. Every spring, I make several trips to local nurseries for plants, dirt.... etc. and get the trunks of our other cars all dirty. With the Element, all I will need to do is wipe out the mess. The wide opening side doors also made a great deal of sense to me. You can load almost anything in through the sides.

As for my daily use, I actually find myself loading most cargo in through the sides, into the back seat, than I do into the back. Not because I don't have the space back there but, in reality, I find it easier to just open the side door when I am getting in or out of the car to access whatever is back there. I always load all the groceries in the back seat. Lighter weight stuff, like bread and cereal boxes etc. or delicate stuff like baked goods and eggs... go on the seat and all the heavier stuff goes on the floor. I do a lot of grocery shopping and frequently can get 2 carts full of groceries into the back seat. In the end, it is just easier to load and unload. Unless I am in a crowded parking lot where cars are parked along both sides. But, considering that I do most of my shopping at 24 hour stores, at 1 or 2 am, that is rarely a problem.

As for my video and photography equipment, it is also better carried in the back seat. That way I can access it easier when needed. As I get out of the car, I can just grab the bag(s) and tripod(s) and go. I don't have to walk around the back to the rear of the car.

Regarding the comments about sliding items, that was a big issue early on, and continues some to this day. The space under the rear seats is so large that some items in the back can come all the way forward. In fact, the space under the front seats, or between the front seats can be a path for stuff to come forward also. I have learned though to try and keep as much stuff in containers or bungeed down. Also, just putting down a carpet or mat will keep things like tool boxes from sliding a bit. I am still looking for the right containers for some of my smaller stuff. I am kind of a slob and carry a lot of old mail and other stuff in the car. I have a PO Box and sometimes stuff things between the seats and forget about them. Then they come flying and I have to clean out the car

I will close with what was a terrifying moment but in retrospect kind of funny. I was driving along late one night, about 2am. When going down a normally busy street, about 45mph main suburban highway, through a wooded area. A few deer ran out in front of me. This is where, as terrifying a moment I had, I was glad I had the Element. It was this past winter and while not much snow on the road there was the potential for it to be slick. It was starting to snow lightly. They entered the road from my side of the 4 lane roadway. I slammed on the brakes as soon as I saw the first one. There were 2 adults and a juvenile, maybe almost a year old, as it wasn't really little but noticably smaller than the other two. I came to a stop and the car stayed straight as an arrow. I felt no tendancy to sway or tip or anything. Something that I had feared due to the shape of the Element and the fact that I had never driven as larg of a vehicle or 4wd before. That was real comforting but the rattle and roar of everything from the back of the car moving forward was frightening. I don't remember what all I had back there. I know there was mail, old fast food cups, some empty soda bottles, some packages of soda, my tool box, stuffed animals, blankets and a couple of rolls of plastic tarp that I can remember off hand. I didn't hear any screaching from the tires or brakes, probably due to ABS, and when I came to a stop, I was less then 1' from the young deer with the rear of the one adult and shoulder of the other right in my headlights. One more foot and I might have taken out all three. After sitting there for 2 or 3 minutes to catch my breath and recompose myself, I continued on my way and could feel a resistance in the pedals. I put pressure on the accelerator and heard a crunching sound. Not being far from home, I made my way back. When I opened the door, I found the source of the crunching noise and resistance. All the mail, catalogs, fast food wrappers and other small items had come under ALL of the seats and lodged under the pedals along the firewall. I dug it all out and did a look through the car. I opened the back door and the rear seat was full of everything that was on the rear seat and smaller bags and other items from the rear. A wrench and a few other tools had actually made it up, in front of the front passenger seat. My tool box was not latched after I checked the oil on my girlfriends car, earlier that evening. (Now I keep it latched and bungeed over the lid and around the sides). The 2 rolls of drop cloth did, eventually settle behind the front seats, keeping more from traveling under. Sort of like a dam I guess. When I opened the tailgate, there was a 24oz bottle of Mountain Dew lodged between the two rear seats. Firmly up to the label. The tool box stayed in place with the bungee that I had around it but not being closed or latched, some stuff from the top had gone airborn.
 
#22 ·
dbpaddler said:
I'm sick of blind fanboys that can't believe their purchase might have some negative attributes or might not fit everyone's bill.
Interesting... I definately see a lot of whining coming from your posts, but I didn't see myself saying one positive thing about the Element, or that YOU should adjust to IT instead of buying something you wanted... I don't care what people buy, and I wouldn't recommend the E to that many people, to be perfectly honest.

I think if everyone could test drive their car for a few months, they might think differently about their choice. Doesn't mean they don't like their vehicle, but hindsight is 20/20. So quit being so defensive.
I disagree - a car is a huge investement, even if it's on the cheap side. It's up to you to figure out the bounds of what you need and decide if the car will satisfies those needs. You didn't do your homework, and now you are complaining about it. I'd say the same thing to anyone complaining about gas mileage, for example, or that they can't see the dash board clearly (didn't they even sit in the car, let alone take it for a test drive?). And I didn't defend the Element at all - like I said, I realize it's got a lot of drawbacks, just not for me.

Just because others might look at you as a dweeb for buying a toaster on wheels thus heightening your defense mechanisms, I won't because I bought one too :grin:
On the contrary, I get a smirk on my face whenever someone makes a snide comment about my car. There's too much to it to explain here.

and how is the fj fictional...
Until you can buy one it's vaporware, and even you pointed out the specs for the back of the vehicle haven't been released yet, so you are comparing a car you can go buy now, with all the specifications readily at hand, with something they're still ironing out with no specifications available. It's all speculation.
 
#23 ·
sier said:
They always have to show a woman moving the damn seats around... "EVEN A WOMAN CAN DO IT!!"
I'm sorry... but look at picture number 2... yes, adjusting the rear seating in my van would be a piece of cake, too - if I could remove the whole side of the van, that is.
 
#24 ·
gfxguy said:
I'm sorry... but look at picture number 2... yes, adjusting the rear seating in my van would be a piece of cake, too - if I could remove the whole side of the van, that is.
hahaha yeah no kidding. I guess that minivan has a "gull-wing" side that just lifts right out of the way when you need to move your seats around.
 
#25 ·
On a note about the sto-and-go seating idea for the E - this would take up quite a bit of headroom having that extra foot-and-a-half or two feet of storage room under the floor the the vehicle. Either that or we'd all have about 2 inches of clearance under our E.

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Notice how high the floor is compared to this womans hips? People already complain about kids not being able to get in the E without sidesteps...


Also, I dont know if I'd want my kids hand in the backseat so close to the moving tire...

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hahaha, man, wtf vehicle is this? It's massive...
 
#26 ·
That chick in the yellow sweater is pretty hot in that "Let me just stow N Go all these rear seats with both hands" pose. The pink outfit pictures are just aweful though. Definatly much better in the jeans.

My only concern is that she can't be any taller than about 60 inches or either that vehicle is made for NBA players who like fresh air.